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What Do You Think: Trades

It's time for a second edition of What Do You Think.  Last time, it was about the Devils' attendance struggles.  And in both the initial question and a follow-up post, you have provided some excellent comments.  I certainly hope to see those kinds of well-thought out comments again for the more hockey-relevant issue of trades.

The NHL trade deadline for this season is March 4, 2009.  (TSN already has their site ready!) With the All Star break, you can bet general managers across the league are evaluating their team, their position, and putting out feelers to make some moves. And after the All Star Game, the unofficial mad rush for positioning for playoffs and/or rushing to get into a playoff position will begin. Teams who could contend drop out. Teams who weren't contending could catch hot and move up.  And some teams, well, their shot at the postseason is nearly dead within the first week of the month of February. So it's isn't readily apparent as to who will be willing to "trade for the future," so to speak. Mirtle has been keeping up a regular look at the playoff push for all the teams in the league and it gives a good idea of who could be sellers and who could be buyers in by March 4.  In fact, for some of the teams already out of it, Mirtle's even compiled a list of potential players that could be shipped off for a little in return.

What do the Devils do?  Let's look at the current situation:

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The Defense

With Martin Brodeur eventually coming back in March Lou tends to make a move at the deadline.  Rich Chere notes that a veteran defenseman is usually a good bet at becoming a new Devil at the deadline.   It makes sense. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few: Bryce Salvador, Ken Klee Brad Lukowich, Vladamir Malakhov, Richard Smehlik, and Sean O'Donnell. And Chere thinks this season is no different.  The players, particularly the defensemen, aren't thinking the same way. 

I don't blame them. I mean, the Devils allow only 29.2 shots on average per game, which is eleventh-best in the league.  It's not bad and I think a bit stilted due to recent results.  Moreover, the Devils are incredibly good on even strength, with a for-against ratio of 1.37.  Only Boston has a better ratio at 1.57.  And the penalty killing has improved to 82.0%, which is good for the fourteenth highest efficiency. 

I feel that some may think the Devils need a stud defensemen to really put the icing on the proverbial cake.  I wouldn't get my hopes up, though.  For starters, past history shows that if Lou makes a big deal, it's rarely for a premier defenseman.  If there will be a new defenseman, it's likely going to be someone complementary.  Second, the blueline unit is truly better than the sum of it's parts. Throwing someone off the unit in favor of a new guy for a month-and-a-third before the playoffs could also throw off the chemistry and hurt the defense overall.  Third, stud defensemen are expensive in terms of trades. How many are there really in the league?  Not even 30, I'd bet.  And for the teams who have them, I can't imagine they'll let them go so easily.

The Three Goalie Issue

That all said, a move for a defensemen wouldn't surprise me as Chere indicates.  Chere also helpfully reminded us recently, with Brodeur now skating again, the Devils now have a goaltender issue similar to Vancouver about 2 weeks ago.  The return of a dominant goalie means one of the three has to go.   And Marty's not going anywhere.  Chere has this quote from Lou.

And what about having three goalies? Is that a problem on the horizon?

"Things have a way of working out," Lamoriello said. "We'll have to see what we do."

Typical Lou. You don't know whether this is a hint or a matter of a fact statement. Still, with both goalies on the last year of their contracts (according to NHLSCAP, whose work is at Hockeybuzz),  a trade is the only way the Devils are going to get anything in return for either of them.

I'd have to check the rules, but I'd imagine Kevin Weekes would have to go through waivers if sent down to Lowell - and he would almost undoubtedly be picked up by someone in that case.  Scott Clemmensen started in Lowell and perhaps not have to go through waivers.  But he's been playing too well to go to Lowell.  He would be quite disgruntled. about being sent down.


GP MIN W L T EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2008 - Scott Clemmensen 30 1754 19 9 1 4 67 2.29 860 793 .922 0


GP MIN W L T EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2008 - Kevin Weekes 10 512 4 4 0 0 22 2.58 256 234 .914 0

Still, three goalies isn't viable for the roster.  Clemmensen has been getting the majority of the games and he's been playing splendidly in net.  He's even among the top 10 goalies in the league in some statistical categories, such as wins (7th), goals against average (6th), and save percentage (8th).  The only legitimate strikes against him are his tendencies to give up rebounds (a concern quelled by an alert, reactive Devils defense) and he has no experience in the playoffs.  Kevin Weekes hasn't been as good as Clemmensen, but he also hasn't been getting as many games.  In his last two appearances, he was great - he has the talent.  And he actually has been in the playoffs; though it's been a while ago.  Still, long ago is better than none at all in case Brodeur goes down in the postseason.  So goaltender is where one decision has to be made.

How About Those Forwards?

At the beginning of the season, if you were to ask me who doesn't last as a Devil this season, I'd say it's Brian Gionta.  After a big 48-goal season in 2005-06 which led to a nice $4 million/year contract, he hasn't come close to that level of performance.  This season, he's been very good - fitting in well with Patrik Elias and Dainius Zubrus; and it shows in his production.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Brian Gionta 45 11 27 38 11 24 2 1 0 0 135 8.1

Gionta will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.  So the big question for Lou is this: do you pay him a comparable salary and hope he can keep this production up?  Or do you trade him and get a viable player in return?  With Gionta in the prime of his career, Lou could command some serious talent in return.  Especially in a deal with Weekes or Clemmensen.  Keep in mind, the Devils' chemistry among it's top two lines has been a big factor in not just Gionta getting points, but for all of them.  The returning player may not fit in as well as quickly, to the detriment of the Devils.  One of the reasons why the Devils are winning as many games as they have been is that they can score some goals.  Taking away a scoring forward, even if he's replaced with another one, could seriously dent the Devils' production - and their wins.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - John Madden 40 5 11 16 -5 16 0 0 1 0 63 7.9

Then there's John Madden. Don't leave the site, it's just a thought. John Madden is an option to be traded as well.  His contract at just under $3 million/year ends after this season.  While he was solid last season, he hasn't been as productive and he's struggled early on.  Madden has been playing much better recently and is starting to show some on-ice chemistry with David Clarkson and Brian Rolston.  He's also not getting any younger at age 35.  Madden is a warrior in the right situations; but can he keep the fire burning? This season, sure. But for the next few seasons? Perhaps not.   I don't think he will be traded, but as an asset, it's not impossible.

Your Thoughts

There's many more thoughts I could go on, but I'll leave it here.  Trying to figure out what Lou will do is nigh-impossible.  But the situation is as follows: the Devils will have three solid goalies on the roster. They have a few players with expiring contracts who could command some serious returns in conjunction with a goalie. And the Devils may or may not be one solid player away from being a solid Stanley Cup Contender.  Perhaps Brodeur is that player and no one will be moved.   Perhaps these are too many words (well...).  Perhaps Lou will do something completely unexpected (which a small part of me kind of expects, actually).

Regardless, I ask you, the reader: What do you think the Devils should do in terms of trades up until the trade deadline?  Put it this way: If you were Lou, what would you do to make the Devils a better hockey team?

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Pandolfo

Would he be an option to be traded for a reliable defenseman? If we could get somebody like a Robyn Regehr (not necessarily Regehr himself, but you never know), that would be a good option.

by R_Adragna on Jan 23, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

Personally, I think you’ve got it pretty good with Shanny onboard. Let his (presumed positive) impact on the power play run loose.

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by Donny Rivette on Jan 23, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t see Lou trading Gionta or Madden. If anyone goes it’ll be Pandolfo but really not for much. He makes a pretty good amount of money for someone who hasn’t been particularly good this year. A team might be willing to take a chance though on someone who can be a strong shut down winger. I couldn’t see more than a late round draft pick coming back in return unless you’d throw in a couple of prospects (do we even have any????).

I’m not sure anyone would pick up Weekes on waivers, he’ll be a UFA this summer. Would someone pick him up for a month of work?

by dsarch on Jan 23, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Pandolfo can't go

According to NHLScap’s no trade clause list, the Devils have 5 players with NTCs:

Martin Brodeur, Patrik Elias, Jamie Langenbrunner (sort of), Colin White, and Pandolfo.

Yeah, that surprises me too.

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by John Fischer on Jan 23, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, I knew about the other four but not Pandolfo… That looks like a questionable decision now since I think hes signed for 2 more years at 2.5 per.

by drhgzang on Jan 24, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Gionta is not going to be traded, Im pretty confident basically for the chemistry reason you outlined above. Before reading about his no trade clause, Id have said Pandolfo was the most likely candidate. While his performance is down, he’s been getting less ice time and hasnt been playing his traditional role. For a team that wants to plug him in as a strong checker and give him 15-17 mins a night he may still be an attractive option, especially when you factor in his playoff experience. A no trade clause can be waived so he might still be moved, but probably unlikely.

In terms of the goalies, I had a conversation about this last night. Its unfortunate the trade deadline falls when it does, as Brodeur will likely be back but have only played a game or two. A later deadline and more games by Brodeur would give the Devils a sense if he’s playing at his usual level and the ability to sell high on Clemmensen. They could likely get something (either a strong forward or defenseman, or a high draft pick) for Clemmer with the way he’s been playing and besides he’s a UFA at the end of the season and is now likely to walk anyway. I think theres a little too much risk in such a move. Clemmer has clearly been the better goalie since Broduer went down (although Weekes played much better his last few games) so if Brodeur isnt 100% and Clemmer’s been traded, we’re left with hoping Weekes can recapture his magic from 2002…

The more I think about it, no move also seems likely. Shanahan is a good addition, and Brodeur will return and can potentially fill the role of the “new” impact player arriving. Lou definitely needs to be careful not to upset the team chemistry which is at one its highest levels in years, and may be hesitant unless the move is a no-brainer (a la Janssen for Salvador).

by drhgzang on Jan 24, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

^what he said^

I don’t think you can reasonably expect to move a goalie give the timing of the deadline. The risk factor is just too great if Marty has a setback or struggles to get back to form. God forbid he goes down again and Clemmer’s gone, we’ve got Weekes (and Frazee on the bench) for the stretch run. I don’t think it’ll happen.

by onetimer on Jan 24, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t envision any player movement this year.

I’m sure they wish Brodeur could be back and in form before the deadline to get max value for Clemmensen, as he’s made his case to be a starting goalie, or at least a solid second somewhere (and at this point in his career, he deserves the chance), and there is surely no shortage of teams who would love to have him, but it’s unlikely to work out that way. It might be for the best anyway, as it affords a certain comfort level to know that Marty doesn’t have to rush back and can take however much time he needs to be ready and able to shoulder the load for the stretch run and the playoffs.

The forwards have been playing phenomenally, as evidenced by Sutter being able to consistently roll all four lines AND confidently match lines without struggling if the checking line isn’t out against an opponent’s big guns (a big part of their recent road success, I’m convinced), and his not having to shuffle lines to shake out goals like he did last year. If a great deal presented itself, things might change, but it’s hard to argue with the chemistry and results thus far and want to alter it drastically.

And the D has been pretty solid. If there were to be a change in personnel, this would be the only place I could see it happening, though I couldn’t guess at who would sit or be moved. I know they’d like more offense from their D-men, but barring finding someone who could contribute offensively without losing any of the physical defense a guy like White brings, I don’t imagine any changes here either.

The offseason, however, is a different story.

by elesias on Jan 24, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

You never know what Lou has up his sleeve when it comes to the trade deadline. The prevailing notion seems to be that we have to upgrade our D, however I’m not so sure that it is necessary. If it was a situation where we could get someone who wasn’t a rental I would be all for it, but I’m hesitant to get someone who become a UFA come July 1 (read Jay Bouwmeester).

An interesting name that has been bantered about is Tomas Kaberle. I don’t know whether we could put together a package to get him from Toronto, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him in red and black. He has a NTC but has expressed a willingness to waive it if the situation was right. I would think that it would require at least one if not two NHL players, our #1 and a prospect. I could see Burke wanting a guy like Clarkson, who is both young and brings the “team toughness” that is a hallmark of Burke teams.

One other aspect that you have to consider in today’s NHL is the salary cap. As far as a lot of the “sellers” go, they might need to bring money back to remain above the lower threshold of the cap. I could see a team being willing to take on Madden or Gionta because they bring with them an expiring contract and money that keeps them above the lower cap limit. A team lie Toronto could be interested in trading a guy like Kaberle who has a cap hit of 4.25 million for two more years if they got a player, pick, and prospect, plus an expiring contract that would give them some cap room moving forward. Just a thought.

With that being said, I’m pretty happy with the current lineup although it is tough not seeing Pando out there (I know his play hasn’t been stellar, but my fandom for Pando clouds my judgment). Whatever happens, the next few months are bound to be exciting.

by TimD on Jan 25, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

Kaberle would be a big gain on the blueline – he’s fairly good at setting people up from the point with 4 goals and 25 assists this season. I think he’d mesh well in NJ; but he may be too expensive – both in terms of salary and in terms of trying to trade for him.

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by John Fischer on Jan 26, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

With Brodeur likely to be coming back, I would expect them to move Weekes. As much as he is an affable personality in the clubhouse, I feel he could be dead weight and would be very serviceable for another team with certain goalie issues. Getting a defenseman and a draft pick for Weekes seems like a reasonable idea.

by R_Adragna on Jan 25, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Mathieu Schneider was jsut picked up by Motreal. What defense men should the Devs go for?

by WhatWouldLouDo on Feb 16, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

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