Much Ado about the New Jersey Devils' Fourth Line
With the New Jersey Devils sweeping their recent road trip, the team got back to practice and that meant plenty of news from Gulitti and Chere. The biggest news with respect to the team is that Patrik Elias has stepped up his practices, and according to Gulitti, Lemaire has stated - again - that he intends to slot him at center. It's great he's progressing in his recovery, but I'm personally not sold on Elias as a center. Feel free to give your two cents as to what you think the Devils' forward lines should be when Elias returns in this FanPost by Fearloathing13.
What shouldn't be big news is that Lemaire has seemingly shifted the lines again in practice. Gulitti and Chere both have those lineups - and only use a pencil to write them down, it could change tomorrow, in between Friday's and Saturday's game, and most definitely after both. Lemaire has been tinkering with the lines in some way or form every game so far in this young season. Namely, the wingers have been shifted between games numerous times already after 5 games. David Clarkson has been moved all over the place, save for the top line, thanks to his "unpredictability" according to Lemaire, via Chere. Also according to that same post from Chere, Lemaire has said that Brian Rolston's position is "everywhere" and so has been shifted between the second and third lines.
During games, Lemaire has moved Rolston up to the third line and the first line on separate occasions, switched defensive pairings (e.g. Andy Greene getting shifts with Paul Martin against Tampa Bay), and made other moves to try and get a more advantageous matchup. In addition to this, Lemaire has also revealed to both Gulitti and Chere that he wants forwards to play at about 18 minutes, yet he has (and had to, given the close nature of some of these games) given the ZZ Pops line an average of 20-22 minutes a night.
What is a bit concerning is what Lemaire plans to do with the fourth line. We can say positive things about the top three lines. They have each contributed positively so far this season. Yet, based on these past 5 games, the fourth line is seemingly a good bet to not produce any real benefit on the ice. Not to mention not really seeing the third period at all. Were I to name a set of 5 disappointing Devils so far this season, I'd cheat and place 4 fourth liners on that list. If Lemaire wants to give Parise, Zajac, and Langenbrunner fewer minutes and improve the team's performance overall, then the fourth line issues must be addressed. Let me break down the situation on the fourth line. If only to highlight why it's not that simple of an issue.
The Constant: So far the Devils have had 4 separate versions of the fourth line, and the constant has been the center Rod Pelley. Lemaire has been tinkering with his lines but not with how his centers line up. If his plan is to use Elias as a center, then Pelley should hope that someone's getting moved to a wing. A likely possibility, as Dainius Zubrus and Rob Niedermayer both have significant experience as wingers.
Pelley needs to hope for this as he hasn't been impressive in any of the four games. Yes, he's been limited to an average of 7:07 and that isn't solely his fault. Yet, Pelley has only 4 shots on net in 5 games, won only 8 of 21 faceoffs (38.1%), and hasn't contributed much of anything outside of hits (he officially has 7). These are not the numbers of a player who wants to cement a spot on the team, in my opinion. I feel like this is a "chicken and egg" situation, Pelley may not be doing more because he doesn't have the chance - yet he hasn't earned the right to get that chance because he hasn't done much. Likewise, are his performances hurt by his linemates not stepping up, or would his linemates do better if Pelley's own game was raised.
Either way, he and the coaching staff needs to figure it out and soon. So far, Pelley's spot is secure because the Devils only have four centers on the roster right now. If Elias returns and sticks as center, then Pelley could risk seeing some games from the press box (or wherever scratches watch the game at The Rock) if he continues to just be "there" as the fourth line center.
The Contracts: What really ties New Jersey's hands on the fourth line are the contracts. On surface, Ilkka Pikkarainen, Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond, and Andrew Peters would be generally considered to be fourth line caliber players. Is there really a need to keep all three up, along with Rod Pelley and Matt Halischuk? Based on skill set and talent, I don't think so. But the contracts are the reason why they're up in New Jersey.
Unfortunately, the Devils are stuck with them if they don't want to risk them to the waiver wire. According to Cap Geek, all five of those players except for Halischuk are signed to one-way deals, meaning that any one of these players would be subject to waivers. When Elias comes back, a roster space will have to be opened for him - and Halischuk is the only one who can go down to Lowell without some other team swooping him up from the waiver wire.
Thankfully, none of these players are signed for a lot of money; Pikkarainen and Peters are making the league minimum with Leblond and Pelley making just above that mark. So this isn't a cap issue, it's a roster issue. It's why the answer can't be: "call someone up."
While you can argue that their performances so far wouldn't entice any team to pick them up, the Devils don't want to expose anyone to waivers if at all possible. Remember the return of Martin Brodeur last season for a moment. The Devils sent Scott Clemmensen down because he couldn't be subject to waivers as he was an "emergency call up" to replace Brodeur. By performance alone, it should have been Weekes; but due to the rules regarding NHL call ups, the Devils were able to avoid losing Clemmensen for nothing. Therefore, I don't see Lou allowing a player to go without any compensation. All four of Pelley, Pikkarainen, Peters, and Leblond are going to stay up with New Jersey namely due to their contracts in the foreseeable future.
The Skills: Halischuk has potential as a two-way forward and Lemaire even gave him shifts as a second line winger against Florida. Pelley has been forecasted as a checking center. And those are the only variations from the other three fourth-line players. Peters' calling card in this league is as an enforcer. Leblond is young and smaller enforcer who skates decently enough. Pikkarainen is a gritty winger with a "bad side." Even with Halischuk and Pelley on the line, the third player should be bringing some toughness, some meanness, some physical play to the table.
Yet, where is this energy and physical play? I can't say with a straight face that this is an energy/physical line like last year's permutations of the fourth line. Officially at NHL.com, Pelley and Peters both have 7 and 6 hits respectively. They aren't leading the team in that questionable stat, but it's up there. However, have they been pounding opponents on a regular basis? No. While I don't care for fighting, I have to point out that neither Peters or Leblond have fought at all yet. This is very curious as that's what helped got them contracts in the NHL; instead, they both have taken minor penalties (2 each). And between all 5 players, there is a total of 10 shots on net - 3 from Halischuk, 4 from Pelley, and 2 from Peters. Nothing from Leblond (OK, he played all of one game for 5:42, but was he even a factor?) or Pikkarainen (No shots, 4 PIM and for restraining fouls? Come on.).
Have I had it all wrong? Maybe I am mistaken in expecting Peters, Pikkarainen, and Leblond to get out there on the fourth line and hit somebody and mix up the tempo of the game? If so, then what can they do?
A Last Thought: If/When Halischuk is sent down, this fourth line on paper needs to be bringing it. Yet, no one has really made a strong case to stay on that fourth line. Pelley is there by necessity as a center. Leblond has got one game and needs more minutes. Pikkarainen missed most of preseason, but he's struggled to fit in. Peters was signed during training camp, yet he's looked slow, he hasn't been a big body presence on the ice, and Rob Niedermayer has looked to be better shape than him despite being signed even later than the "enforcer."
Can we really expect a solid 7-10 minutes a night from a unit consisting of these players? Right now, I don't think so and apparently Lemaire's choices in the third period seem to agree with that.
I'm hoping some of these guys turn around their slow starts and actually make a statement on the ice. I don't think it's an issue of whether they can handle the spot. They have just been unimpressive at best and so Lemaire is changing the combination almost between each game so far. Even as to go as far and having David Clarkson play on that line to get something going. I think the opportunity to be a regular on this team is there, albeit in a fourth line role - even after Elias returns. But the effort has to be better from all who have played on that line (except Clarkson, his spot on the team is safe as milk).
What should Lemaire do to get this fourth line to be more effective in some way or form? Will further tinkering help (e.g. trying Peters and Leblond in a game?) What kind of fourth line do you even want the Devils to have? Does a move have to be made to improve the fourth line? Leave all your fourth line related thoughts and suggestions in the comments.
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I really don't want Elias to play Center
but doing so would seriously alter the dynamic of the team, and that might be what they need.
The potential benefits, as I see them, would be sitting Pelley (who’s been useless), spreading out some of the offense and bringing something to a lifeless fourth line by virtue of putting either Niedermayer or Zubrus there; but the downside is that it would be sacrificing from the second line to spread it out, as Elias is a Winger at heart, and I recall an article showing he’s not very good at face offs.
Also, Zubrus has been playing much better this year, so putting him between Pikkarainen and/or PL3 and/or Pandolfo and reducing his minutes might have severely negative consequences.
Frankly, I’ve no idea what to do about the fourth line. The contracts are really stifling any creativity, and unless one or more of the guys relegated down there start to put together some strong shifts, it might be best to eat the contracts or risk them on the waiver wire… not that I’ve any clue who they’d bring up. I don’t suppose anyone would take Pikkarainen and Peters off our hands for someone useful, eh?
imagine if we still had shanahan for that line
shanahan-pelley-halischuck wouldn’t be too bad. And if Elias came back and became a center (I hope not), then it would be shanahan-zubrus-halischuck, which would be very good for a fourth line.
by Nothinggoespast on Oct 14, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
While that’d create roster issues, that would be an ideal set-up – one set-up that’s gritty and another one that could be a tertiary/minor scoring line.
But I do not see Zubrus centering the fourth line, I think he’s moved to wing prior to that.
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by John Fischer on Oct 15, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont get it. Who would claim PL3 off waivers? Why would they? Im sure every team has 4 PL3s in their system. Peters I understand. Big guy who fights. Teams have a need for that that. Pikkarainen I understand because hes a Terminator(I know hes not Austrian). But what about PL3 makes him so coveted. All of them arent really special. I just dont get what the fear is.
Personally I would imagine that its cheaper to get rid of one of them through waivers from an owners perspective. You may have to pay half. But id rather pay half the contract for a player who doesnt play than the full amount for a player that doesn’t help.
This confuses me. Anyway If elias plays center id like Zubrus at wing. Pando on the 4th line. The rest of the 4th line players can share, their mothers would be proud.
by they can take a player but not the core on Oct 14, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Well, who wouldn’t claim a fourth liner and be on the hook for less than the minimum salary?
Even if his skill set is common in the league and for a little more than half of the league minimum, why would the Devils – or any team – pay a player and get nothing for him for this season and the next two because they let them go via waivers?
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by John Fischer on Oct 15, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
because your paying all of these players anyway. If one comes back and needs a spot, and the others just dont seem up to the type of play required of a 4th liner whats the loss? Someone on a one year deal would actually save them half the cost of a league minimum salary. I guess this would only apply to Pikka, but thats where i was going.
Bottom line these guys are 4 line players, their only real purpose so far is to just not let other people score while everyone else rests. I haven’t seen a single 4th liner provide any type of boost, lift, or energy while playing in this short regular season.
Maybe things will change. Maybe they were just using Halishuk to fill in for Elias’ return. Get him some big league time and send him down for a full year of AHL time. Who knows. But to me, our 4th liners lack character. A big need in a 4th line.
Again, I haven’t personally wrote any of them off. Its early, but as a fan I wish we still had Cam Jannsen.
by they can take a player but not the core on Oct 15, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately Shany declined to play 4th line, but if he didn’t… Even though they will see less than 10 minutes on ice we need to figure out our 4th line. Halischuck should be out there to help him develop. Bergfors has finally lived up to his hype now it’s Halischuck’s turn but he will need the ice time to improve and in my mind the 4th line is the best spot to get it. With Zubrus, hope he will still be on the PP, and an enforcer we should have a decent 4th line. I am stuck on the enforcer though. Clarkson will knock some blocks off but seeing him off the ice for 5 minutes isn’t good anymore, he is proving to be too valuable on ice. So far I have not been too impressed with Peters, Pikkarainen or PL3 so the only way to get this line set is for one of them to step up and claim the spot.
by fearloathing13 on Oct 15, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Off the top of my head...
If Lemaire must use Elias as a center and Pikkarainen and Halischuk can be revolved safely without losing Pikka to waivers (Peters,Leblond? Who cares? I don’t…) I say go with these lines for a spell…
Parise Zajac Langs
Zubrus Elias Bergfors
Rolston Nieds Clarkson
Pando Pelley Halischuk/Pikkarainen
those look pretty good,can neids play wing cuz if so zubrus could center the third with neids and rolston and mabey clarkson could give the second line a try?
by Imperator_Celtic on Oct 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

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