Free Agent Centers & the Devils: Dominic Moore & Nik Antropov
As free agency approaches, it's time clean out all the remaining suggestions you had commented on for centers. Keep in mind that the next few guys probably won't be suited for the second line, rather they may be more useful on the third or fourth lines. After all, John Madden isn't guaranteed to return and Holik retired, so those spots do need to be filled in somehow. This post will take care of two of the remaining five suggested: Dominic Moore of Buffalo and Nik Antropov of the Rangers (and the heart of PPP).
Let's start with the actual center, Dominic Moore:
Whereas Jason Williams had a night-and-day season, turning it up when he was moved to Columbus; Dominic Moore had the opposite experience. He got worse after leaving Toronto. After 12 goals and 29 assists in 63 games with Toronto, he picked up only one goal and three assists in 18 games with the Sabres. Ouch! This is especially harsh when you consider his career numbers; it seemed that Moore finally was breaking through in terms of production. Moore finally cracked the 40 point plateau in his fourth NHL season, yet he was nothing short of a disappointment in Buffalo. D.O. at Die by the Blade, as well as the readers there, agree that he performed well below expectations if only for scoring one measley goal in 18 games. Given that Buffalo was fighting like hell to make the playoffs, that Moore wasn't a significant help in that step is a little unsettling. Of course, you can give him the benefit of the doubt for multiple reasons (e.g. how was he used, settling in with the team/new teammates, etc.) But I feel this will hurt his overall value, and it raises the important question of whether he can he do it again after a bad outing in Buffalo.
With respect to Moore's overall game, D.O. does have a fair summary of his strengths and weaknesses. For a third line center role, his strengths are desirable. He's gritty, he battles hard, and he's not terrible defensively. I'll even throw in his faceoff skills - Moore won 54.1% of the 1,244 faceoffs he took this past season. Definitely someone you may want as a checking center. However, the even strength numbers at Behind the Net aren't totally convincing for his defensive play. In this past season, the shots against per 60 did go down when Moore hit the ice from 26.2 to 25.5, which is good. That he had a CORSI of 6.2 is good. What's not good is that the goals against per 60 shot up from 2.73 to 3.11 when Moore went on the ice. Mind you, Moore was not out there against high quality competition and, in fact, he managed to have a high relative quality of teammates. So I'm left asking the question of what could cause the goals against to shoot up while the shots against went down when Moore was out there? While I can see giving Moore the benefit of the doubt as he was on the Leafs for a majority of 2008-09 and that could have skewed a lot of these numbers (for better or worse).
However, that his arrogance is listed as a weakness is a big red flag should it be true. As D.O said:
His other weakness could also be described as a stregnth depending on point of view. He is cocky and arrogant. It was that arrogance that forced the Leafs to trade him to Buffalo at the deadline because he was looking for too much money on an extension.
It's hard to fault a player for trying to seek the most money he can in free agency but Moore may never find another situation as good as the one he had with the Leafs.
One of the cornerstones of the Devils organization is a player's character. Lou wants players who are committed to the success of the team. Should Moore want to come to the Devils, he'll have to change his attitude otherwise he will not last. Even then, given that he's looking for big money, I don't think the Devils will - or should - oblige him despite an overall breakout season offensively. Not even for something like $1.5-2 million/year, which is feasible for the center. I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt for his attitude.
Moving onward, let's get bigger with another Maple Leaf that was traded at the 2009 trade deadline, Nik Antropov.
Based on his production and ice-time (17:11 per game), Nik Antropov is a nice theorhetical option centering the second line. For starters, he was largely used on the top two lines in both Toronto and in short stay in New York. He's even bigger than Zubrus, so should the new coach want to continue Sutter's offensive tactic of winning pucks along the boards, Antropov could fit in very nicely with the right motivation. From what I've seen of him, he moves very well for a big man and that's an asset right there. The former-Leaf finally overcame what seemed to be annual occurrence of minor injuries to play more than 80 games for the first time in his career, so that's another plus. (Though his injury list should cause some concern.)
With respect to the even strength numbers at Behind the Net, it confirms that Antropov's strength is on offense. His CORSI was 7.5, and whent Antropov went on the ice, the shots for per 60 and goals for per 60 went up: 2.52 to 2.89 for goals; and 27.9 to 29.4 for shots. The numbers defensively aren't as positive. While the shots against per 60 did go down when Antropov was on the ice - from 26.1 to 25.8 - the goals against per 60 shot up like a rocket from 2.59 to 3.42! Again, a lot of this could have been due to playing in Toronto; but Antropov has played with a high relative quality of teammates and not a quality of competition. I'm wondering whether he is a defensive liability. Then again, the Devils may be able to correct that - or account for it. And, hey, he was in Toronto for most of the 2008-09 season, which would have skewed these numbers.
However, there's a big problem - and I've found this before with Cammalleri and Sullivan - Nik Antropov is not quite a center. He took only 199 faceoffs last season, and even Behind the Net listed him at a left wing. The assets on his player page state he can line up anywhere at forward, which helps. He did, in fact, play largely at center for Toronto at one point - back in 2002-03 (621 faceoffs, 40.1% won, 4th on team). Yet, given how long ago that was and that he's coming off career-bests in goals, shots, and points at wing, why would you move him back to center? Especially when he doesn't even win a majority of the few faceoffs he does take? For these reasons, I'm not even sure he would be an upgrade over Zubrus in that spot. His production may suffer if he can't settle in at center, and if that happens, then who will do it and who will be pushed out of the top six?
Moreover, consider the contract implications. The Schwab at Blueshirt Banter thought Antropov was just OK and Joe was more complementary, pointing out how Antropov's assets would make him as a fine Ranger. Yet, both agreed that Antropov could be get far more than they're willing to see the Rangers spend. There's a lot of attractive attributes in a player like Antropov: his size, his skating ability, versatility at forward, and the fact he can now put up over 200 shots in a season and 20-30 goals. As you would expect, that comes at a premium - especially when there aren't that many big forwards who can do all that in the NHL. I can see someone offering Antropov over $3 million/year.
However, because Antropov isn't really a center and hasn't largely played one in years, I don't think the Devils should be initially going after him with that much money. I feel that if you're going to pay someone $3 million/year or more for someone to play center, then it should be someone who has been playing center instead of someone who just can do it. If Koivu, Sullivan, Williams, et. al. are gone or they command too much, then the Devils making a play for Antropov wouldn't be a bad plan B. He does have the offensive skills to play on the second line and if the others are gone, then who else could do it without costing the Devils an arm and a leg? Still, as it is, I do not think he would be an ideal signing.
Now it's your turn. Do you think Dominic Moore's attitude can change and therefore make him a viable candidate for the third line? Do you think Antropov could be a viable second line center and make it happen? Have your say in the comments below.
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Dominic Moore
Hi John,
It’s unfortunate that you didn’t research Moore, other than reading one guys article on Die by the Blade. I followed him while he was a Maple Leaf and a Sabre.
No one has ever called Moore arrogant, or having a bad attitude, except for that one guy. He was loved in Toronto, and well respected by his teammates. He was a rotating Captain when Sundin left. He is a humble, very positive guy, and the coach put guys on his line to increase their confidence. Worked every time.
I understand that he broke his hand in the 3rd game he played for Buffalo, and played the rest of the season, without realizing it was actually broken. I don’t know how much that affected his play, but he sure wasn’t himself.
He was also not used well in Buffalo. He had no chance of gaining any chemistry with linemates, since he was put on a different line almost every game.
All the above are well known facts about Moore. Do you even research the guys you write about. other than one guy’s erroneous comments?
Billyk
I’m sorry you feel this way, Billyk, but please allow me to defend myself – at least a little bit.
A) I did note that Moore was having a break out season in terms of production with Toronto. I also said I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with respect to his production woes in Buffalo because he was settling in with new teammates, new situation, etc. You may be right that he was misused, though you can’t say he had no chance at generating chemistry. D.O. did point out in his report card that he did have one consistent linemate in Maxim Afinogenov. Maybe that was a mistake by the coach to make it a good relationship, but it was still a chance. (And he even took shifts with Thomas Vanek – Buffalo’s leading goal scorer – with 0 points from Moore. So it’s not like he was always sandbagged with no scorers)
I did not know he had a broken hand and perhaps that explains the lack of points, though I’m not sure how you keep playing 15 games with a broken anything and no one – Moore, the Buffalo training staff, the coach – noticed.
B) I did note that Moore is hard working, good on faceoffs, and most of his even strength numbers at Behind the Net are positive. The only thing that is really out of place and that I question is how the goals against per 60 shot up from 2.59 to 3.49 when he was on the ice. I mean, what’s the deal? But again, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.
C) I’m willing to concede that he wasn’t a good fit in Buffalo. That much is true. But I really don’t want him as a Devil if a fan of the Sabresnotices his attitude problem. Digging further at Die by the Blade, it has to do with publicly demand for more money. Players who go public for their demands with the team definitely doesn’t speak well of his character! Not for star players, definitely not for checking centers!
I have no personal issue with Moore and for all I know he’s a very respectable person. But nothing I write about free agents (or the Devils players) should be taken that way.
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by John Fischer on Jun 14, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore and Antropov
As you said if Koivu is gone and every other good scoring center then I would consider Antropov. He has big size, he puts up points, but he really isn’t a center. Nik played wing with NY thats why. If he commands more than 4 million than NO. Thats way to much for a guy who doesn’t win faceoffs. He would bring scoring to the first line and would upgrade Zubrus. Still it wouldn’t hurt to add Antropov to replace Gionta maybe. If Gionta wants 4 million lose him and add a scorer in Antropov and give him 3.5 to 4 million. Gionta did have 60 points one more than Nik. But Antropov is young and big. He could play wing or center. I would still rather have Koivu. But Antropov is an option.
Here's an idea
How about we have a rotating center on the second line. We sign Antropov and he Elias and Rolston all take turns at center depending on who’s “feeling it” that night. Kinda like Madden and Holik did this season. Could be a dumb idea, but hey we signed Rolston to be our center and he’s more of a wing. I don’t know. I just really like Antropov’s size and the way he plays with it.
Free Agent Centers
Moore definitely under-performed in Buffalo, however I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Saw him interviewed on tv with a cast on his hand/wrist. Maybe the guy was just trying to do do his best with the Sabres and play through his injury/ didn’t want to cop out after 2 games with them. Nevertheless, he made no excuses.
Have to agree with Billy that never have the words “cocky” and “arrogant” been used to describe Moore. Are you basing this solely on his and the Leafs’ inability to come to a contract re: a dollar figure? If you are aware of any of the other other contractual conditions that may have applied, please inform us. Otherwise, I have a problem with these labels. As far as I see, hear or have read, there was no “public” demand by Moore for more money. Please confirm this. And re: being committed to his team, he needs to change his attitude? Hello? Hello? Check it out.
Re: Antropov. He needed to get out of Toronto. Big guy, hard worker, great positioning in front of the net, scoring touch from there, but only there. Not as speedy as Moore, but either would be a good acquisition.
LR
I'm sorry you have a problem with these labels but I still don't want him as a Devil.
TSN reported that Moore wanted at least $2.5-3 million/year. Yes, a checking center who, in his contract year, magically started putting up more than 30 points for the first time in his career. He publicly battled with Toronto in contract negotiations and if he felt he was worth that much, what else can anyone think but that he definitely thinks very highly of his game.
Put it this way, the guy was having a career year and his team, instead of benefiting of it, traded him away for a draft pick. That’s a big issue.
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by John Fischer on Jun 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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