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The Devil You Know or the Devils You Don't: Second Line Center Thoughts

One of the biggest complaints/concerns that Devils fans have in this offseason is that the Devils need a center for the second line.  Not that the Devils don't have players who can play there, but that they would like to see someone better than Dainius Zubrus play in that position.   I can certainly understand the argument. Zubrus played a majority of the 2008-09 season with Patrik Elias (78 points in 77 games) and Brian Gionta (60 points in 81 games), and yet he ends up with this statline:


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Dainius Zubrus 82 15 25 40 6 69 1 0 3 0 130 11.5

Let it be known that I wrote about Zubrus earlier this offseason with this post entitled the Zubrus Conundrum.  In case you didn't/don't want to read it, let me sum up my central point: figuring out what to do with Zubrus isn't easy. Yes, his production has not justified his contract.  Yes, it's disappointing that he hasn't produced more.  However, he is not a bust - he provided value in the run of play on that line with Elias and Gionta, made space down low, and worked quite hard all season long.  He helped make Sutter's offensive system work incredibly well last season.   I will absolutely not accept arguments that he's lazy, useless, as bad/worse as Viktor Kozlov based on how much I saw of him last season.  

However, the conundrum arises in that he's got the skills to be useful on a scoring line that would be wasted on a third line; while not being productive enough to really justify his spot on said scoring line.  Still, I did say that the Devils could use an upgrade there back before July 1.

Since then, in various projected line-ups I've seen here, at Gulitti's blog, on HF, etc. - Nothinggoespast's fanpost is an example of this, not that I'm picking on him/her specifically - Zubrus is slotted elsewhere while Brian Rolston or Patrik Elias is in the center on the second line.   I can see a benefit of that - it opens up a wing spot for a prospect (e.g. Nicklas Bergfors) or another Devil (e.g. David Clarkson); and if Zubrus is only going to put up 40 points or so, it'd be at fewer minutes.   Rather than going with the Devil who played at the second line center spot; since Zubrus didn't do as well as expected, then someone else should be given the chance.  The Devil they don't know over the Devil they do.

However, I have made the argument, specifically about Rolston, that they aren't centers and so I disagree with the projected lines.   Rather than leaving it at that, I looked into the stats in each of these three players' careers to see if even my own argument made sense.  What I found was certainly enlightening and it gives evidence to go with the Devil you know for this spot on the line up.

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So I went to NHL.com and looked up the faceoff wins and totals for Zubrus, Rolston, and Elias.  If a player really was a center for a majority for a season, then it stands that he would take a significant number of faceoffs.  It's possible that the player was only a center for a part of a season, but I feel the totals will bear that out. I went as far back as the stats would allow: 1997-98.  So I'm including back when Zubrus, Rolston, and Elias were still relatively new to the NHL.

Before I hit you all with a chart, let me start with an apology.  Brian Rolston was most definitely a center.  I have said that he wasn't, but the stats have told me that I'm not completely correct.  Rolston has had seasons where he has taken upwards of 1,100 faceoffs.   So I am sorry for not digging deeper getting that wrong.

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However, I am also not completly wrong.  Rolston wasn't primarly used as a center in Minnesota.  Rolston took all those faceoffs when he was with Boston, which was 4 seasons and a lockout ago.     Moreover, as you can see by the chart, Rolston wasn't all that great when he took a large number of faceoffs.  He cracked the 50% plateau once and it wasn't by much - 8.5 faceoff wins, to be precise.  In the three seasons where he was mainly a center and used constantly for faceoffs, Rolston's faceoff winning percentage over those seasons is 48.24%.

I can agree that in 2005-06, his first season with the Wild, he was a center for a portion of the season.  However, his falling faceoff totals in subsequent seasons combined with merely taking just over 400 faceoffs in 2005-06 indicate that he was moved to wing in that season and has largely remained there. 

Incidentally, that was his most productive season in terms of points.  More interestingly is that his most productive season as a center in Boston was in 2001-02 with 31 goals and 31 assists.  Rolston exceeded that in 2006-07 with 31 goals and 33 assists, and tied that goal production in 2007-08 with 31 goals and 28 assists.  Both seasons where Rolston did not play at center.   Therefore, I don't believe slotting Rolston at center is going to really improve his production and if anything, it's more evidence to keep him at wing.

Speaking of keeping players at wing, this chart should be screaming at you to not even consider Elias as a center!  He has been mainly a center for a part of 2002-03 season and in the 2007-08 season.  Even then, it wasn't a lot of faceoffs taken, and Elias didn't even win a majority of those.  He can fill in at the faceoff dot as necessary, but don't expect him to do a good job at the actual faceoff based on these numbers.   Moreover, in both of those seasons, Elias didn't even break 60 points.  Elias' best seasons have came while he was at left wing and so he should stay there.

Now, look at Zubrus.  Whereas Rolston was a center at Boston and got shifted to wing at Minnesota; Zubrus was a center in Washington and, I believe, stayed at center in Buffalo.  He wasn't used at center in his first year in New Jersey, but he was fine at faceoff dot last season with a 51.25% winning percentage.  Over the past five seasons, Zubrus was a center in four of them.  In my opinion, this is all telling.  To hammer the point further, while no one will confuse Zubrus with Manny Malhotra or Yanic Perreault, Zubrus' faceoff winning percentage over those four seasons is 49.66%. That's better than Rolston when he was in Boston over 4 seasons ago.   Moreover, while a 60 point season won't wow you, it is his career best; and it came in 2006-07 when he was, you guessed it, a center.

To recap, Zubrus is the only one among those three who has been a center recently, he's has had the most success at center among these three, and he was even playing in that spot last season.  Rolston and Elias have had their most productive seasons or just plain productive seasons while at wing, where as Zubrus has experienced this more as a center.

Yes, it's entirely possible that either Elias or Rolston can do very well at center.  But based on the stats I just compiled, I really don't think Rolston or Elias should be centers for the 2009-10 season.  They have not been good at winning the faceoffs and they don't have the experience

I personally believe it's best to keep a player in positions where they have been successful when possible.  Despite all the turnover the Devils' roster has seen this summer, I don't see why Elias-Zubrus-Rolston isn't the current line.  This would keep Elias and Rolston in positions where they have succeeded, and Zubrus is already familiar with what the role entails.   Moving Zubrus down to the third line or moving him to right wing may suit Zubrus, but it creates a hole at center for the second line.   

Of course, should the Devils sign a center or trade for one, then no problem.  Lou has even suggested as such, as reported by Chere a few days ago. But the Devils haven't done that.  And there's no center in the system that can take that spot right now anyway. Therefore, based on what I have found, I think the smarter decision is to go with the Devil we know.  Right now, pencil Zubrus in at centering the second line again. 

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It really is not worth speculating

Everyone seems to just simply conclude that the first line of Zajac-Parise-Langenbrunner will remain intact next year but keep in mind that Lou broke up the A-line when the Devils became too dependent on that one unit. Isn’t it possible that the Devils bring, say Zajac, down to the second line to play with Elias and then let a rookie step in on the first line? Sounds crazy but it is quite obvious that the Devils are going with their youth this upcoming year which means finding chemistry which takes time and experimentation. Unless the Devils make some major trade or signing in the near future, I expect to see different lines being utilized until the team as a whole gets it right.

by NJPenguins08 on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Possible.

A) I think if anyone’s getting moved from that line, it’ll likely be Langenbrunner as he can slot back down to the third line and fit in a checking role easily.

B) I would think a rookie center on the top two lines would be possible…if there was someone ready to make that leap. Most of the Devils’ young forwards are wingers with the centers, mostly 2008 draft picks, still in development. Yes, there is Rod Pelley who is a defensive center as seen by his initial appearances in 2007-08. Patrice Cormier is a real long shot.

C) You are right that lines will be jumbled per the new coaches’ plan until something works.

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by John Fischer on Jul 12, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article

John, you did a real nice job outlining and supporting your argument here. You’ve certainly convinced me that Elias is a bad option and Rolston may not be the slam dunk many of us think he could be. I

I don’t see how you mess with that top line. I know Lou has a habit of it, but when your young top scorer just had a career year and looks ready to make The Leap into that top echelon, don’t you leave his line as is?

Any word on coaching search? That would likely have more say in it than anything else, whether the incoming coach views Zube as a , #2C or not. What about Morrison? The Post had the Devs chasing after him. I don’t know if he’s an improvement or not.

by TNYFBG on Jul 13, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Morrison signed with the Caps

I would rather Lou make a trade than go out and just sign a center. I was looking at Joe Pavelski’s numbers and I think he would be a nice fit on the second line. He had 25 goals, 34 assists, and 8 PP goals. He is 25 and young. He is only getting better. Two seasons ago he had 40 points last year 59 points. I would send Zubrus and Pandolfo and maybe add a late pick in there. You’ll love this John, he won 56.3% of his faceoffs taken. I think he took 1274 faceoffs last season. He would be an upgrade from Zubrus on the second line I would think.

by LetsGoDevils on Jul 13, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it hard to believe that any team

is going to trade for Zubrus and his 4 years left at 3.4 million per.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it’ll be harder to trade Pandolfo given that he has a no trade clause.

Pavelski would be a fantastic move, in my opinion. But it’s going to take a lot more than that.

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by John Fischer on Jul 13, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade

Does every Devil have a no trade clause?? Maybe send: Zubrus, Mottau, and a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2010.

by LetsGoDevils on Jul 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He's not bad.

I never thought Dainius was a bad player, overall. We just expect too much from him.

by JBthree24 on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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