What Should Devils Fans Expect: Jamie Langenbrunner
I'm starting a new mid-summer feature called What Should Devils Fans Expect. With the 2009-10 season so dreadfully so far away from training camp, I think now is a good of time as any to heighten or lower our expectations of the New Jersey Devils currently penciled in on the roster. I'll make a case for what to expect, and then you can tell me how wrong or far wrong I am with what to expect. And I'll respond and there will be a discussion and it will be good because there's just no Devils hockey happening right now.
Anyway, the best Devil to start this out with is the captain Jamie Langenbrunner. Offensively, the Devils were led by the rising star Zach Parise and the team legend Patrik Elias. They sparkled, they put up seasons over a point per game, and they rightfully got notice for it from fans of hockey across the league. However, the 2008-09 Devils didn't just jump from to 2.90 goals on the strength of them alone. Some players had some great seasons, and none was more unexpected and massive as Jamie Langenbrunner.
I didn't expect this. No, really, last August on the old Blogspot site, I made a case for not expecting a lot out of Langenbrunner for 2008-09. Here's what I said:
Therefore, in terms of expectations, we should be fairly pleased if Langenbrunner picks up about 45 points. He produced 41 in an injury-shortened season under a new coach and some inconsistent play. That shouldn't be asking for too much. 50 and up is definitely possible (and maybe even 20 goals!) if Langenbrunner is in the top 6 for most of the season (and not in a constantly revolving lineup) and he's healthy. That said, I really don't think he's going to get super-hot and drop 60-70 points for New Jersey; nor is he going to tally 25 or more goals. Langenbrunner's not getting any younger and he was never that kind of player to begin with. Fortunately for us, he doesn't need to be - he just needs to keep working hard, keep playing his way, and continue to lead the team.
Well! I was certainly wrong! In a very, very good way, though!
Langenbrunner finished just shy of 30 goals and 70 points. Relative to the team, his 69 points put him third among Devils in scoring. He set career highs in goals, assists, and points while dominating the right wing next to Parise and Travis Zajac. Only those unfamiliar with the Devils last season or are just lazy thinkers would conclude that Langenbrunner "rode" the coattails of Parise and Zajac. Oh, no. Langenbrunner was still the hard working trailing skater with the big shot. Only he dialed back enough of those shots so they go on net instead of above the net and found real chemistry with the two young forwards. Langenbrunner put in his share of effort on that unit, as anyone who has seen him play last season can attest to. Last summer, I said not to expect Langenbrunner to be on the first line or even the first power play unit. Yet there he was on in that role, producing like a first line/first power play unit player.
And almost as impressively is the numbers you don't see in that stat line. Langenbrunner's average ice time and shifts per game actually went down in comparison to 2007-08. The captain averaged 18:05 per game and 22 shifts last season; a reduction of 0:12 seconds per game and 1.3 shifts per game! And he puts up significantly higher numbers despite a relatively small drop in time!
Need more numbers? Let's check out Behind the Net. Langenbrunner finished with a CORSI of 13.0, second behind Parise on the team in even strength situations; an average of 5 more shots on net per 60 minutes when Langenbrunner is on the ice compared to when he's not; and a reduction of 1.7 shots against per 60 minutes at the same time. I know his linemates were Parise and Zajac, but offense happened when he was out there while not allowing much against.
Langenbrunner truly had a massive season.
But this presents a concern. While I'm confident that Brian Rolston can make up Brian Gionta's production, what's going to happen with Langenbrunner's numbers? Can we seriously expect him to match or exceed 29 goals? Should we expect offense to happen every time he's out there on even strength? Forget the other factors, it isn't uncommon for a player to have a career year and then follow that up with a less-than-career year. Patrik Elias, and Brian Gionta are recent Devils examples of players having an excellent season in terms of production followed up by a less-than-excellent season. But is it something the player can even control? Perhaps some of the breaks on those shots don't go Langenbrunner's way in 09-10. Perhaps opposing defenses key on him and that line as a whole, and so scoring chances are harder to come by. Perhaps he's playing with someone else (highly doubtful, but if the line struggles early, then who knows...we may even be demanding change at that point!) A number of uncontrollable factors could keep Langenbrunner from scoring as much; I don't think Langenbrunner will work any less hard or hustle any less - but that could be the reality.
For example, injury. Langenbrunner is no longer a young man at age 34 and, unfortunately, he's had some injuries over his career, according to his player page. Langenbrunner stayed perfectly healthy last season and as he's going to the USA Hockey Olympic Orientation Camp (h/t Raw Charge), I think it's fair to expect him to be in pretty good physical condition when training camp finally comes. (I can't really remember him being out of shape come to think of it). Yet, it's not entirely impossible to think that Langenbrunner could be hit with a few minor injuries over the season with an older body and basically hold him back from hitting his numbers. Then again, that could happen to almost anybody. And - hopefully - it may not even happen to Langenbrunner.
Truth be told, I'm not terribly considered by his age alone. 34 isn't ancient in the NHL these days. Forwards like Rod Brind'Amour and Ray Whitney have proven that a player can be near his 40s and still be a very productive hockey player. But I really do think last season was the perfect storm for Langenbrunner in terms of production. His linemates worked as hard or harder than he did, they all worked very well together, and the guy caught fire more than a few times last season.
That said, I still expect him to line up with Parise and Zajac as the Devils' first scoring line. I still expect him to be responsible defensively while going forward, as that has been his game for his career. I still expect him to lead. I still expect him to unload some big shots. And he'll do all of that and do it well, I'm sure. But what I don't expect is 29 goals and 69 points. I can't help but think just out of sheer likelihood that his 2009-10 numbers will go down to more in line with the rest of his career. If Langenbrunner can contribute about 20 goals and about 50 points along what he normally brings to the team, then I'd say I'll be pleased with his production. With respect to overall offense, I don't think it's unfair to expect about 9 more goals from the rest of the team to make up the difference.
Perhaps I'm off the mark here. Maybe you think he'll match next year's numbers for whatever reason (e.g. retained chemistry with Zajac and Parise, still has a big shot, did awesomely despite my limited expectations last summer). Or perhaps you agree. Either way, let's talk about what you currently expect - not want, not desire, not need, but expect - from Jamie Langenbrunner next season.
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When he's played the whole season...
in 97/98 he was 23-29-52
02/03 he was 22-33-55
05/06 he was 19-34-53
06/07 he was 23-37-60
08/09 he was 29-40-69
This supports your argument, but notice that when he was put with Parise and Zajac during 06/07, his numbers jumped. I think if he stays healthy and with this line, he will have about 25 goals and 60 points, if not more.
Also, he only played 5 full (77+ games) seasons???
And only ONE of them (06/07) did he play the full 82. This doesn’t bode well, injury-wise.
The biggest thing (I say) is that he needs to stay healthy.
by Nothinggoespast on Jul 28, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
That’s a pretty important distinction. Very good and thanks for that.
Last season he did play 81. I’m not so concerned about missing a few games, but you are right, even an injury that takes him out of 1/8th of the season could really hold his numbers back. Health is crucial for any player to have a good season, but it’s even more crucial in Langenbrunner’s case.
Part of the reason why I’m setting my expectations lower than 25/60 is because I’m not so certain Parise will match what he did last season. I’m a bit on the fence admittedly on that one and that’s a post for another day.
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by John Fischer on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ye of little faith… I know from your writing that and you ACTUALLY WATCH the games. So i know you saw what I saw when Langs, Parise and Zajac were on the Ice… your heart raced because you knew that when these guys were on the ice the Devils stood to get a few good scoring oppurtunites. Hell i’ll even go as far as say they were the best line in the NHL last season!
I think Parise will match if not improve on last years numbers, Zajac will hit 70-75pts and langs will do about what he did last season if he stays healthy.
Have faith John. I know you’ve been a Devil fan for a long time. Ths is the best line the Devils have EVER had,, better than the A line, better than EGG.
Oh, I know how effective the line is and certainly hope that all three will exceed expectations.
I just don’t want to be unrealistically demanding that Langenbrunner put up 70 points next season. 55-60 would be a good year for him. I’ll elaborate a little more on this in the next post in this feature which will be….today, actually.
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by John Fischer on Jul 29, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i was hoping for 20 goals mabey 25 assists.
my bigest worry goal scoring wise is parise .i can definatly rember everyone being as high on gionta for his big year and then it just stopped.
by Imperator_Celtic on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Parise is a super star.
How can anyone say Parise will drop in point total. He is still very young and has not even reached his peak yet. He is a superstar I rank him up there with Crosby and Ovechkin. He will be among the scoring leaders this year and his line will be one of the top scoring lines in the NHL..
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How can anyone say Parise will drop in point total.
You’ll just have to wait for that post!
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by John Fischer on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone on the teams points will surely decrease. With the style of play that Lemaire is bring it wont cause a whole lot of offense. Just look at the stats of Min since the lockout. Not very offensive I can tell you that. Parise’s points will suffer but not as bad as everyone else’s. If Lemaire was not the coach totally different story but I dont want to bring up that discussion and get off topic.
Honestly
Even if Parise doesn’t match his point total, he clearly has proven to be the keystone of the Devils offense. Matching his point total last year is less critical in my mind then being successful as a team and doing better this year in the playoffs than in the past two.
Lines combined points will increase
This is surely the best line on our team, and I suggest that the combined point total from this line will increase this year for several reasons.
Parise is an elite player in this league. I see some of you are on the fence with this, but I’ve had season tickets since 87 and he is the most tenacious and exciting player we have ever had. He hasn’t completely developed his game yet and I think we will see more to come from Zach. Some of you have posted about his size and compared him to Gionta, but Parise is listed at 5"11 190 and sid the kid at 5"11 200. Even though NHL stats are always a little generous I prefer the Crosby comparison rather than Gionta who is 5"7 175.
Zajac is absolutely still developing, and I think this year he is going to explode onto the NHL scene in a big way. He works VERY hard in the off season to get bigger and faster and his FO% is 53.1 and I think he will continue to improve on that number and become an elite faceoff player. He already has the best FO% on our team. If Trav doesn"t have any injury set backs I predict he will be joining Parise at the All star game.
Langenbrunner had a great season and brings certain intangiblles that are important to this line. His experience also serves to keep the young guys grounded and helps them develop thier own leadership roles which will be important in the future. I think 25/35 60 is an attainable number for Langenbrunner over 82 games.
The danger in this line for other teams is if they put extra manpower on Parise they free up Langenbrunner and Zajac. Langenbrunner is a scorer in his own right, and if he gets some space because of Parise he is even more dangerous. Someone made a point about slowing down his shot and making sure it gets on net, and he has worked on this tirelessly and its paid off.
Mckay and Arnott for Nieuwendyk and Langenbrunner may be Lou’s best trade ever. (ok I think it was Turgeron for Lemieux but I’m a bit biased).
This is a very fair argument
These are reasonable projections for each of these players, especially for Zajac. Among the three, I want to see him improve the most. Whether or not the line will have higher numbers will depend on health and how well they’ll do when every team’s defense is keying in on them right from Game 1.
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by John Fischer on Jul 29, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
faceoff stats
Just a note- in the Playoffs Zubrus had the best FO% followed by Madden and Zajac
Manny Malholtra who is still unsigned is top 5 in the league at 58% and this is Big in the playoffs. Maybe he is the pivot we need between Elias and Rolston.
Malholtra is not a second line center
He’s a defensive specialist and have to be a third line guy here, dropping Pelley to the 4th. I just don’t see it happening. Even though it wasn’t a popular opinion on here, I’d still like to see us try to pick up Betts. Think he’d be a good fit.
by Mandmeisterx on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What would it take for Malholtra?
What was his number last year? 1.5 Mil I think? i would give him that and then incentives should he do better.
Lou said he needed to make room for Pelley on the roster, so you must pencil him in on the 3rd line. Having Malholtra on the 4th line would make me very happy about this team, but 1.5 million might be too close to a cap line Lou doesn’t want to cross (think next offseason). Betts had 800+ faceoffs last season and was 49.3% He is a defensive player who’s good at blocking shots and would be a good pickup on the 4th line and PK. His injury against the Caps last playoffs should heal and be a non-concern. On a positive standpoint for a GM, one may get him for cheap, thus making him a low risk, high reward player.
by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Truth be told
Regarding the Malhotra tangent; to me, it makes more sense to not throw Pelley right onto the third line with the expectations of succeeding John Madden right away. A full season on the fourth line will tell us more as to whether he can do it. I believe Malhotra can definitely thrive on the third line right now, he can be had for cheap (and perhaps a short deal), and the Devils would be more viable at center (Zajac-Zubrus-Malhotra-Pelley) than they would be.
But that’s a discussion for another time.
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