The Post-Game Quotes of Jamie Langenbrunner - Does Anyone Listen?
Professional sports players usually don't give great quotes. Cliches are spouted more often than not, if only to avoid saying something outrageous to the press. I can understand this. These aren't pro wrestlers or public speakers, their main job isn't to be articulate or get people talking on the microphone. Still, their quotes are important because they're the ones playing the game, they can legitimately answer questions about what went on in the game, and especially after a game, their emotions can at least be communicated.
The New Jersey Devils are 4-10-1 and with only 25 goals scored. Frustration has been building up among all parties involved: the fans, the coaches, the players and presumably management and ownership. More and more post-game quotes from the players indicate this frustration. An recent example of this phenomenon came after last night's 3-0 loss to Our Hated Rivals. Reported here by Tom Gulitti, Patrik Elias gave this rather notable statement about the team's third period performance:
"You’re within two goals. You’re still right there," left wing Patrik Elias said. "And the PK and the penalties. I understand everybody wants to try hard, but I don’t give a (expletive) if you want to fight someone. We’ve got to win to win hockey games."
Out of this frustrating, one of the larger issues with this team is leadership. This is largely based on how the Devils keep dropping games and don't seem to build on the precious few positive moments they had in this season. While part of that falls on the coaches, it's definitely a player's responsibility as well. I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to wonder if anyone on the team is inspiring their teammates, communicating with them to maintain focus, do some smaller things different on the ice. Given that he wears the "C," one would expect Jamie Langenbrunner to be that guy. Yet, his on-ice performance definitely doesn't indicate he's leading by example (note: 3 points came in 1 game, and 1 out of those 2 goals was an empty-net goal).
What's more is that I suspect he's not leading by words either. I'm not in the locker room, but his post-game quotes to the media throughout this 2010-11 season, to me, are very telling over whether he's being heard or not. Since he is the captain, he is targeted regularly for statements. In looking at several of them, I get the impression thay while he's saying something to the media, it ultimately means very little. Follow along after the jump to review what Langenbrunner has been saying and why I think it adds another dimension to how poor he's been as a leader, much less a player.
In collecting these post-game quotes, I've used what Tom Gulitti reported at Fire & Ice. All quotes except for a few were reported by Gulitti. He wasn't with the Devils for most of their west coast road trip, so I got quotes from Rich Chere from NJ.com for those games and specifically noted them where applicable.
I've added my own thoughts after each quote. While I understand that Langenbrunner may not be a great media guy, what he does and doesn't say are of interest. After all, he's got the "C" for the team, he's targeted for quotes regularly and if anyone should know what's going on with the team internally, it's him.
The Quotable Jamie Langenbrunner
October 8, here's Langenbrunner's reaction to the Devils' loss to the Washington Capitals 7-2.
Jamie Langenbrunner: "I don’t know (if it was shocking). Those nights are going to happen. It’s a little shocking to happen tonight. We came out really ready to play. We jumped out early like we wanted to. And then they come back and answer right away. We played a really solid first period and a solid start to the second and then we just got away from it a little bit."
Commentary: The appropriate follow-up question of "Why did you 'get away' from it" wasn't asked. However, notice the diction: "we just got away from it." What does that even mean? He's right elsewhere, but saying "we just got away from it" about the game tells me that he felt the Devils lost focus. Given the score, they didn't seem to try to get back into it. Given that it was the second game of the season, there was no real reason to be concerned about it at the time. Looking back,
October 10, Langenbrunner talks about the 3-1 loss to Pittsburgh. (Note the title to Gulitti's post, the theme for this season so far written way back after Game #3)
"The third period was our best, so we’re not going to use that as an excuse," Langenbrunner said. "For the most part, we did a lot of good things tonight. We played a little tentative early on, but we finished well. At the end, we played hard, but we have to find a way to play 60 minutes. We have a stretch in one period where we’re off and they took advantage."
Commentary: Funny how Langenbrunner says the team "did a lot of good things tonight" that "we played hard" and then goes on to say that "we have to find a way to play 60 minutes." Doesn't the latter outweigh the former? Also, if Langenbrunner says the Devils were "off" in the second period, then does that not compel he and his teammates to not be "off" in future periods? Especially since they "just got away from it" in their prior game? Again, I say this in retrospect, but the Devils were very much "off" in future second periods for, oh, about a month now.
Saturday, October 16, Langenbrunner expressed quite a bit of frustration after a 4-1 loss to Boston.
"We won one game out of six. That’s not good," Devils captain Jamie Langenbrunner said. "You can use it one of two ways: You can feel sorry for yourself and start pointing fingers and look for excuses or you can take a look in the mirror and make yourself better and get ready to play. It’s a long year and we need to get out of this soon, but we have that opportunity. For us, this break couldn’t come at a better time as far as having a few days without a game. We have a chance to get ourselves going in the right direction and playing on the same page. We’re just all over map as far as playing for each other and it’s tough to play that way."
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"It depends on how you respond," Langenbrunner said. "We all know as you go through the year that there’s going to be some peaks and valleys. We haven’t seen the valley at the beginning of the season for a long time. We’ve gotten off to some good starts. But it’s what you make of it. Like I said, if you feel sorry for yourself and you’re not willing to look at yourself and fix it, then it is a problem. But if you’re willing to do that and you fix it, it can be something that can build the character of the team and really bring a team together."
Commentary: This is an appropriate way of looking at the early struggles and figuring out what to do going forward. I'd go as far as to say it's exactly what the Devils needed to do. While the Devils won their next game, 3-0 in Montreal, the poor performances returned afterward. It leads me to think that the team as a whole didn't do what Langenbrunner said here. At most, they looked at themselves and, well, did nothing really tangible about it.
October 23, Langenbrunner defends Johan Hedberg and was terse about the game after a 6-1 loss to Buffalo.
"We have a lot of guys out of the lineup right now and that’s never an excuse here and never will be. The guys on the ice are out there to do a job and we didn’t do it. We made mistakes and didn’t generate enough and play the way we needed to play."
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Langenbrunner on the team not playing better in front of Johan Hedberg, who was pulled 8:17 into the second period after giving up four goals on 15 shots: "We all feel horrible about that and horrible about the way he was treated (by the fans). He was out there battling as hard as he can and he was put in a tough situation. He hadn’t played in nearly a month and you want to go out there and give your best effort for him and we didn’t do that. That was tough to see him treated that way. We know how much he wants to be a part of this and help get us going in the right direction and I’m sure he’s as frustrated as all of us."
Commentary: This was the game after the 3-0 win in Montreal. The captain of the team comes right out and says that the team didn't do their job. So much for looking in the mirror and fixing the problems! While I understand Langenbrunner's defense of Hedberg, his initial quote undercuts that. (And I wouldn't recommend faulting the fans' reaction in a 6-1 loss on home ice - where the Devils have yet to win this season) Hedberg definitely didn't do his job that night along with the guys in front of him - Langenbrunner included.
Anyway, a statement like this would lead one to think the Devils would do better in their next game, right?
October 24, Jamie Langenbrunner comments about the team's performance in a 3-1 loss to the Rangers.
"We played hard," Devils captain Jamie Langenbrunner said. "We did a lot of things that we’re trying to get back in our game. We battled hard. We created some opportunities. We just didn’t finish. It’s frustrating, but when you dig yourself in a hole the way we’ve been playing, it’s not just going to happen. You have to claw your way out. An effort like this is a good start, but we’ve got to start getting results. As far as playing with that effort consistently, the results will start to come."
Langenbrunner acknowledged, however, that looking for silver linings in losses is not usually the Devils’ way.
"We said that. We don’t (do that)," Langenbrunner said. "But it can’t always all be negative. Obviously the bottom line for us is to win hockey games and when we don’t do that we’re disappointed. There’s nobody in here with a smile on our faces because we put in a good effort tonight. Don’t get me wrong. I’m just saying the important thing is playing good hockey and the result will take care of itself. That is our focus. If we were on a four or five-game winning streak, maybe this wouldn’t (be a big deal), But you’ve got to start building from somewhere and I think we can take some good out of this game.
Commentary: Well, the Devils were better in the sense they didn't lay an egg in MSG. I question the "good effort" part of Jamie's spiel, given that the Devils really only played well in the third period - when the Rangers sat back with a two goal lead. Yes, the Devils didn't finish, but they also were the inferior team for the first two periods. Jamie played in this game, so I'm not sure what he saw that the fans didn't? It wasn't what I would call "playing hard," at least. Maybe he's trying to find something, anything, positive about the loss?
Suppose we take him at his word that the Devils played "good hockey" and "played hard." Logically, I would think the Devils would want to build on this in their next game and hopefully the results would come.
October 27, Rich Chere reports this quote from Langenbrunner trying to defend John MacLean after the 5-2 loss to San Jose.
"I think all of us are frustrated. None of us is doing what we’re paid to do," the captain said. "(The coach) is not where the issue is. We have to find it in our locker room. The coach can only do so much."
Commentary: No, the Devils didn't build on whatever positive things Langenbrunner was referring to after the Rangers game. This was the game where MacLean was asked straight up about his own future after the defeat, which is the context of this quote. The most disturbing thing about this is how direct Langenbrunner is about saying MacLean isn't the problem, but yet vague about what the problem is. He indicates it's in the locker room, but offers no details, which I would think reflects rather poorly on him since he's the captain. It's not that I'm expecting Langenbrunner to call out his teammates publicly, but he's got to do more than that dodge.
The Devils go on to beat Anaheim followed by losing to LA. So in the short-term, whatever it is in the locker room that's the problem either hasn't been found or hasn't been solved. But at least we know Langenbrunner has MacLean's back.
November 3, Langenbrunner discusses why he felt Devils got pounded by Chicago throughout most of the game in their 5-3 win.
"I don’t think we were taken back by the injury [to Martin Brodeur, who left the game] so much as we started taking penalties," Langenbrunner said. "You have to kill for eight out of 12 minutes or whatever it was, you’re going to take some guys out of the game and overuse others. I think it was more that. They also turned up their game a little bit and then we finally showed a little bit of resiliency and battled back."
Commentary: Langenbrunner was correct that taking penalties hurt the Devils, 4 minors came after the injury. I'm disheartened by the last sentence, though. Chicago didn't just turn their game up a little bit, Jamie, they straight up steamrolled through the Devils after the injury. And not just for the second period, but the first half of the third period. The Devils did battle back - in the third period after it became 2-2. The Devils didn't even get a shot on goal at even strength until 10:29 into said period. Again, someone should have asked a follow-up "Why did it take so long to show some resiliency," but I get the impression Langenbrunner didn't quite grasp the situation. That's troubling since he played in the game (and had a productive night).
November 5, Langenbrunner has this post-game quote after another loss to the Rangers, a 3-0 defeat.
"It’s getting frustrating," Devils captain Jamie Langenbrunner admitted. "We all can read the standings and see where we are and the games we’ve played and the games in hand teams have on us and where we could be when it’s all sorted out. But we can’t concern ourselves with that so much. We need to find a way to get some wins ourselves, keep the effort where it’s been, but learn to play a little bit smarter."
Commentary: No, Jamie, it's not getting frustrating. Frustrating was way back in mid-October, dropping two straight games at home to Colorado and Boston. Frustrating was following up a 3-0 win in Montreal with a 6-1 embarrassment at home to Buffalo. Frustrating was most of the road trip you were on. It's beyond frustrating now, and you're still talking like it's October .
You need to find a way to get some wins? What, you haven't found the problems to solve them? Wasn't it in the locker room? Wasn't it in the mirror? Is it still not John MacLean? Were the Devils just "off" tonight too, or have the game get away from them? It's not just that the Devils lost to Our Hated Rivals and put up a donut on the scoreboard, but Langenbrunner's peeing on the media's and the fans' legs and telling us it's raining.
Conclusion
My beef isn't that Jamie Langenbrunner is starting to repeat some of what he's said after games. I don't care if he's just a boring person, media charisma isn't in his job description. I know full well he's trying to defend his teammates (and John MacLean) at times; if only to avoid one more problem that the team doesn't need right now. I don't expect him to call out particular players through the media or go into excruciating detail into why they've been so poor.
My main problem is that no matter what Jamie Langenbrunner says, it's not leading to anything on the ice.
Review the quotes above. Jamie says the team has to work harder, but then the team doesn't in their next game. Jamie says the team was just "off" or the team got away from the game, and the team continues to be "off" or "get away from it" in later games. Jamie says the team has to look in the mirror to fix the problems, they win one game and then promptly play one of their worst of the early season shortly thereafter. Jamie says they got to find what's wrong in the locker room, and there's no evidence on the ice that they've done that. On top of that, some his quotes to the media after games don't quite fit to what we've seen in them. The team's 4-10-1, scored only 25 goals total, and he's still saying "it's frustrating" weeks after it's already been frustrating.
Essentially, Jamie's saying one thing to the media and no matter how right it may be, the message isn't getting through to the rest of the team and not on the ice. Is Jamie talking to these guys? What is he saying; is it the same as what he's telling the press? How is he saying it?
Most importantly, is anyone actually listening to Jamie Langenbrunner when he does speak?
If not, who would they be willing to listen to?
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Thank you for posting this. I always wondered if anyone saw the utter lack of leadership on his part the way that I do. If I was Lou, he would be on his way out of town, because there’s hardly a better way to shake up a team than to trade the captain, much less a “captain” who whines, gets coaches fired, and then skates around lazily so he can complain about it in the post game interview again.
Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.
Too bad our real captain is out 3 months. :(
by PhillyNJD9Fan30 on Nov 6, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo!
I don’t see why management hesitated giving Parise the “C” this year, they stripped Elias mid-season in favor of Langenbrunner. The only explaination would be that Parise is not necessarily in this team’s long-term plans…
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by DownGoesAvery on Nov 7, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think management hesitated to do anything. Parise wasn’t the captain last season, no reason to make him the captain this season.
Not sure where people are getting the idea that Parise should be captain – or where in my post I said there should be a new one.
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Why wouldn’t you make your captain your hardest worker and arguably your best scorer? Langenbrunner had been a mess since mid-season. He was not putting the team first when he came out and lashed at Lemaire and had a miserable playoff series.
What has Langenbrunner done to earn his “C” this year? The organization needs to show Parise that he is the guy here, and they trust him. Maybe they don’t, who knows…
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Nov 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent artical John....
This pretty much explains why I think Jamie is a problem, he’s not producing and not being a “true” leader of this team, it doesnt look like he is doing or saying anything (if anyone is listing to him) to make the situation better. You have stated it perfectly here.
This may seem a little cliche, but I’m always of the mind in any sport that the leader on your team is your best player. Clearly Jamie is not our best player, and he hasn’t been for quite some time now. Look, I loved him as captain when he played under Sutter because he backed up his comments with his play on the ice. In fact, he didn’t need to say all that much to begin with because the team was producing. It’s simply no longer the case now. Usually a new coach is the one to pass along the C, and that C has been sitting on the same player for three coaches in a row. We all knew that Lemaire was not a long term decision and I would honestly be shocked if Johnny Mac lasts beyond November, but whoever the next coach is should definitely move the captain title to the young guard because its blatantly obvious that the Devils are in a state of transition this year for the first time in a very long time.
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first id like to say something to everybody who thinks that someone else should be captain. it doesnt require wearing a c on your shirt for you to take up a leadership position with the team. its clear up to this point that nobody is capable of being that type of leader. somebody mentioned in an earlier article that they should go with 3 or 4 alternate captains, and i agree with this. i still dont understand what jamie did that stood out to brent sutter that he named him captain in 2008. (not to say jamie was undeserving at the time, i just dont know what qualties he saw that made him chose jamie over anyone else)
now im going to try and play devils advocate. well jamies quotes can be seen as vague, he cant really call anybody out and say something like this player played bad tonight, or our defensemen were awful tonight. if he did, it would just make the situation even worse. second, i seriously doubt that he asked to be named captain. he is just trying to do his best in a role the organization has put him in. also pre lock out, he never was considered a leader. he did play well in the postseason, but there were always other guys on his teams the handled leadership roles. in dallas he had modano, hull, niuewendyk, and hatcehr and when he first came to jersey he had stevens, neidermayer, and daneyko. even in the first few years after the lockout the team had john madden and elias was the captain. if you want to look at his first full year as captain, they still had guys like pandolfo, madden and even shannahan to help in the leadership category. there are a lot of young guys on this team, and well theyre not rookies, jamie for the first time is one of the only veteran leaders on the team. its a big responsibilty to ask of any player.
Unfortunately Sutter didn’t really have a lot of options in 2008, we didn’t have that great a team. Parise was still too young to take on the captaincy as he was only entering his 3rd year. So if you take him out of the equation and obviously Elias since he was the one stripped of the captaincy, who else is left? It was arguably between Langenbrunner and John Madden. In hindsight it’s easy to say Madden, but I don’t think it was a bad decision to pick Langenbrunner at that point in time. It’s just obvious that he is no longer the best option.
Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.
by thejerseydevil on Nov 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
if they didnt really have anybody, why name a captain at all? they were going with 4 alternates and it was fine. montreal went all of last season without a captain.
by poopydoodie11 on Nov 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2008, Sutter could have just kept the C on Elias.
Anyway, it’s entirely possible that Langenbrunner was being heard back in 2007-08 and now he’s just being tuned out. Coaches get fired when they lose locker room, why not change the captain then?
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well i guess technically thats what sutter did. he stripped elias and pick langenbrunner. no coach has been fired since jullien. sutter and lemaire both resigned, but still, its a new coach and a new system so you could change captain then too.
by poopydoodie11 on Nov 6, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I remember, Elias did not want the captaincy anymore. He felt it was too much of a burden on him, and it was affecting his play. Strange considering it was one of his better years statistically, but I guess he would know. That was all hearsay of course, could have just been covering for Sutter just not feeling he was a great captain.
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by thejerseydevil on Nov 6, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As an aside, I wonder if Langenbrunner is aware of how we feel. I’m sure he doesn’t care at all, but I wonder if he’s aware.
Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.
by thejerseydevil on Nov 6, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Post
That’s it, John… Great Post.
I hope Gulutti reads it… Hell, I hope Langs reads it. Then he can see just how full of crap he sounds.
The Devils are not changing the captaincy right now, not in any significant sense. The most you could possibly see in the immediate short-term is the removal of the “C” from Langenbrunner and a third “A” handed out …. because nobody is going to take the “C” for a few months and then hand it over to Parise, and there’s no reason to create another crisis-of-the-moment by doing exactly that.
There have been a lot of NHL teams where the wrong guy wears the “C”, and the “real leader” isn’t the guy with a letter on his chest. There have been a lot of captaincies issued for all the wrong reasons (kind of similar to how people get married for all the wrong reasons, too).
I don’t see Langenbrunner as being the leader based on his on-ice performance. Rather, his primary responsibility these days seems to be to be the designated guy to talk to the media. Yes, his comments are vague, and the repetition of a handful of themes is grating on one’s ears…. but I’d be more concerned if he were throwing his teammates under the bus, all the more given he likely won’t be here next season and therefore has no particular need to not play pyromaniac on his bridges.
If you take away the captaincy from Jamie, will he continue to be the guy the reporters go to for comments and reaction after a game? And if it isn’t him, who would you like to be the designated spokesperson for the team, and how will that change anything? Or, if you simply don’t give out a “C”, doesn’t that give the media a free hand to pick who they want to be spokesperson? I could see the swarm of carrion going to Ilya Kovalchuk every night…. sure, he’s always said the right thing before, but he has enough pressure on him now.
Until Parise returns, I think the best decision in this particular issue is to not make a decision at all. There’s no reason to make this a bigger issue than it already is by doing something and giving the media something else to speculate about. Nor, for that matter, do I think changing captains will have much of an effect. Let’s keep our playing of “Amateur Fix-It” to possibilities that are likely to have some results out on the ice. Moving around a few letters won’t do it…. and I don’t know that firing the coach will, either. This team getting healthy, perhaps getting a few lucky bounces on the ice and winning a few games in a row…. that will more likely do what we are hoping to have happen.
Leave the letter on Langenbrunner, let him continue to give his non-sequiturs to the press, and simply count the days until we put this mess behind us.
I think you and many who read this missed the point of the post. It’s not: “Change the captain.” It’s definitely not: “Make Parise the captain (I have no idea why he should be it, yet I hear it from Devils fans)” It’s: “Here’s more reason to believe that Jamie Langenbrunner isn’t getting the job done, and it’s another problem for the team.”
Yes, I’m fully aware and in agreement that changing the captain won’t necessarily solve the problems with this team. I’m fully aware and in agreement that one does not need a letter to be a leader. Yet, to the team, management, media, and fanbase, Langenbrunner has at least some leadership role and the continued public saying of one thing while doing another provides further evidence that he’s not as effective as he needs to be. It’s definitely frustrating for Langenbrunner, frustrating for his teammates, and frustrating for those involved – and more frustration is exactly what the Devils don’t need.
The media’s going to talk to whoever they want in the locker room. Langenbrunner gets attention because he is a captain. So do other “big names.” In many of those post-game reports I linked to, you will see quotes from Brodeur, Kovalchuk, Elias, and Parise regularly. Should something of note happen like a rookie debut, a bad penalty, a good night from someone, they’ll quote those other players as well. They don’t always quote these players, mind you; I didn’t link to every single post-game report from this season, Langenbrunner isn’t in all of them. Still, a captain isn’t a spokesperson, they’re regularly sought out by the press under the notion that since they’re the captain, they have something worth saying.
The “C” isn’t completely meaningless either. It’s a sign that the team trusts the player enough to have some leadership role – and ideally, the other players will listen to him in the room. We’re not in the locker room, so the closest we’re getting to there is through quotes like this – and the team floundering despite Langenbrunner’s insistence of needing to do better, needing to be smarter, etc., etc., it’s suggests that’s no one is listening all that much to him.
I could be dead wrong, maybe the Devils are listening to him just fine and they just happen to keep faltering on the ice for some other reason. I do agree a lot more luck going their way will help, but the team’s going into game number 16 and waiting on luck just isn’t good enough anymore. There are multiple problems with the team, and I believe Langenbrunner’s part of it to some degree.
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by John Fischer on Nov 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
someone suggested Gulitti should see this? John, do I have your permission to tweet this to him?
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Nov 7, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, I guess.
You don’t need permission to tell other people about ILWT.
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We’ve all kind of touched on this over the past few weeks, and I’m glad John took the time to put this piece together. He better be frustrated. He better play better and the team must as well, but what is he going to do to help the team move in the right direction? Keep coming out with these incredibly [non]-profound interviews after miserable losses that have analysists scratching their heads? Yeah…that’ll work.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
I don’t know what you’re expecting from his post game interviews. The last time Langenbrunner actually spoke his mind everyone blasted him for it so I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t just give generic quotes. Honestly no one knows what Langenbrunner does to lead this team except the players. So without any inside knowledge I’m not gonna rag on the guy.
The last time Langenbrunner actually spoke his mind everyone blasted him for it so I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t just give generic quotes
When was that? If you’re referring to last season, Langenbrunner was getting blasted for not commenting and potentially poisoning the proverbial well with Lemaire.
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No Langenbrunner spoke out after the season and thats when everyone turned on him. The point is no matter what he says people will be unhappy because we’re losing. No one outside the locker room can judge how well of a captain he is though.
by C.J. Richey on Nov 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In the beginning, he was about looking into the mirror and not looking down. Now it’s frustrating, no smiles in the locker room.
If no one is listening to Langenbrunner, who is really the leader in the locker room right now? If no one is listening to him, it may be time to make a change. It’s not his fault, it’s the locker room’s. I think Elias and Kovy need to step up regardless. Those "A"’s aren’t for show either. Elias has the right idea. It’s time to get serious and mentally ready to try and turn this around and win.
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I love this site and I only comment once in awhile, I am going to defend him, please no reason to jump all over me or do whatever. I think no one listens to his postgame interviews they are generic and always have been, what matters is what does in the locker room and on the ice, where he is not helping either. Ever since last years issues, he is public enemy one, and people think Parise should be captain, so far Parise has won one playoff series in his career, on this team there is more experience right now that can lead. Hopefully Parise can be that leader I feel it is not the time, but he is on his way, some people would like it this year, yet that is up to them.
This season sucks so far and I think it is a failure on all levels, injuries, coaching, effort, mainly goals, to many on us and an embarrassing number for us. The fact is Jamie is in his last year on his contract and I am willing to cut him a break for some more time based on what this guy has done. 12 game winning playoff goals in a career, Messier has the same number. His 11 goals in 2003 playoffs speaks for itself and 10 for Dallas in 99 both cup wins. I am just saying people are to quick to place him with the blame. He shares more because the “C” is important but he has the experience and the main thing right now is to win games and that falls on everyone. Thank you
Personally, I’ve wanted to see him out of town and stripped of his C since last year’s antics. This team doesn’t need a gutless captain. I though once the Kovy deal got done that he was the perfect guy to move to open up some cap space. I figured he would be easy to move since other teams would value his “leadership”.
As far as who the next captain should be, I’m not opposed to Parise as the next guy. He plays hard, does the gritty work, and is an emotional guy that the players would surely get behind. As far as people saying he’s too young or inexperienced, tell that to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
by Mandmeisterx on Nov 7, 2010 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Langenbrunner’s time as a difference maker is over. He’s washed up mentally and he can’t lead this team anymore. The C needs to be given to someone else, and in a perfect world he’d get traded, too. Anyone who can get the guys riled up before a game should be given the chance to wear the C.
More surprising than Langebrunner being an awful captain nowadays is that no other changes have been made. It’s like MacLean wants to keep putting out the same awful “system” until it works. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
I just get the feeling that most of the guys on the team have already given up on this season. That’s the worst part. If I could just sense that even though they were awful that at least they were working towards getting better, I’d be okay with it, but this looks like guys are just riding out their contracts.
Truthfully I don’t think MacLean deserves any more of the blame than anyone else. Keep in mind this group of players has already been through several coaching changes, and where has it gotten them?
He’s not free from blame here, but at the same time a coach can only try so much before the players have to suck it up and execute.
Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.
John, here’s what Gulitti just direct messaged me:
I disagree. It’s really someone who knows nothing about anything that goes in a postgame locker room and clearly doesn’t like the guy.
No harm, no foul, just giving you what he said. I also told EJ Hradek what I thought (basically that Langenbrunner was not valuable to the team right now), here’s what he said via direct message:
couldn’t disagree more. langenbrunner is ultra competitive guy. i think any problem is more about fitting w/current team.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
yikes, I failed miserably at quoting them. I think you can figure out whose quote is whose.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Nov 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for doing this.
I appreciate that you went ahead and did that. I also appreciate that Gulitti read, well, part of what I wrote. However, I’m disappointed in his response to a post that mostly featured quotes he reported. It’s true that I don’t know anything about what goes on in a postgame locker room, I’ve never been in one of them. So what all I know about that, and whatever else is going on with the team, is whatever Gulitti (and Chere) report.
I’m willing to be wrong on this. I’ve been wrong before on many things, on many interpretations, it’s not new to me. Perhaps connecting on-ice play with post-game reactions and team performance in the next game may not be appropriate. Why not explain why that is, how I (or other fans, given the positive response to this post) are mistaken? After all, he and Chere are the source for this post, they are in there for post-game reactions, they have experience doing so, and they are the experts. If either knows that Langenbrunner’s leadership isn’t an issue, then why not explain why they think so?
I also would like to point out that I don’t “don’t like” Jamie Langenbrunner. Not sure where Gulitti (or anyone else) gets that idea. Nowhere in this post have I said that someone else should get the “C” or that I want him out of Newark by any means necessary. I’m asking a difficult and pointed question, and I’m calling out Langenbrunner using the quotes Gulitti and Chere reported as further evidence for doing so. That’s all it is. Nothing personal. But he’s got the “C” for a reason, and I feel he’s definitely accountable. That doesn’t mean I want him gone. I want him to not suck and stop giving empty quotes to the media that the fans actually read and remember.
I want there to be some sign that this is a problem that is addressed; and if it’s not a problem, then I expect those who do have access and have knowledge of the situation to explain why it isn’t. I don’t think that’s asking too much.
P.S. It’s good on Hradek to respond too. Though I’m confused on what he said. Ultra competitive? Would anyone here honestly describe Langenbrunner’s on-ice performances as something by an ultra competitive player this season?
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I’ll give you and Gulitti both credit. I don’t “hate” Langenbrunner, and yes he is getting old, but you can’t change the captaincy at this point unless it’s to the long-term answer, which is hopefully Parise. That’s a part of it, anyway. Langenbrunner does need to be better, whatever that means to him…
EJ obviously doesn’t watch every NJ, but he said it time after time on NHL Live that he loves Langenbrunner.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Nov 8, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
every NJ game*
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Nov 8, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

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