Olympic Hockey Day 12: Best Day of Hockey Ever? Best Day of Hockey, Ever.
by Steve Lepore on Feb 24, 2010 2:19 PM EST
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Welcome to the seventh (?) of a regular feature throughout the Olympic break, an open thread to discuss all that is going on in the sport of hockey at the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver. (Note: John or I make these the night before, scheduled to appear at 10 AM. I should be up for the late games, so hang out with me, won't you?.)
Just so you know, the Devils are stepping up online for additional coverage. The official site has a hub for the Olympics; complete with a schedule for both tournaments. The team site also has a blog written by team correspondent Scott Modrzynski called The Devil is in the Details. All posts are listed on the hub; just scroll down past the players and you'll see it on the side. Zach Parise is also providing a few words to Tom Gulitti's Fire & Ice every day, so check that out.
We all got teased with the potential for upsets in the final two games of the qualification round of the 2010 Olympic Men's Ice Hockey Tournament. Team Czech Republic needed Overtime to defeat the surprising Latvians. A shockingly weak goal given up by the Latvian goalie to David Krejci ended the game and the hopes of the passionate Team Latvia and their fans. The Czechs move on to face Finland later today.
Also late last night, the Slovakians got a challenge from hell by way of the pillaging Norwegians, but a late Miroslav Satan goal put them ahead for good, as they beat Norway by a score of 4-3, as they move on to meet the Swedes. Earlier in the day, Switzerland finished off Belarus in a shootout and Canada routed Germany, 8-2. It's a shame we couldn't at least see one surprise team in the quarterfinal round, but let's face it, the 7:30, 10 and Midnight matchups are all the sort of games we've been dreaming about.
Special Rule: Do not use these posts to complain about how no one cares about Men's Ice Hockey. This isn't the place for that. Violators will be banned until March 1 assuming no other rules were broken. Please use this post for all your comments, analysis, and thoughts about today's hockey games in Men's Ice Hockey games. Not the other Olympic sports, mind you. Men's Ice Hockey - Quarterfinal Round 3:00 PM ET/Noon PT - Quarterfinal 1: USA vs. Switzerland (NBC) 7:30 PM ET/4:30 PM PT - Quarterfinal 2: Russia vs. Canada (CNBC) 10:00 PM ET/7:00 PM PT - Quarterfinal 3: Czech Republic vs. Finland (CNBC) Midnight ET/9:00 PM PT - Quarterfinal 4: Slovakia vs. Sweden (CNBC)
Want to watch the games online and legally? For the Americans, NBC has streaming options. For the Canadians, CTV has streams. Thanks to user C.J.Richey121 for the NBC information and to user dchoubak about CTV. Let's do this.
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Can Langenbrunner and Parise just play this whole game?
by undersuspicion426 on Feb 24, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions
Almost 13 minutes into the first the US is getting about 1 registered shot per minute. Keep that up and they’ll be in good shape.
0-0 after 1
18 shots to 4 in favor of the US.
US carried play for large chunks and dominated territorial possession, but struggled to clear their own end (which directly led to the period’s sole penalty, a restraining foul against Callahan).
They had several glorious chances, but Hiller or the post made the saves.
Americans are bunching up
They don’t seem to know where to be especially the center and strong wing. On the plus side, Langs is setting up for that slot one-timer nicely.
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Let's see
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Dam
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saved by the bell . . .
that is a BIG boost for the Swiss. . . and Hiller.
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0-0 after 2
More of the same.
US carries play, gets nothing.
On the plus side, the Parise-Stastny-Langenbrunner line looks great. The rest, meh.
The chances are there, they’ve been crashing the net, they nearly got a lucky bounce, and…nothing.
This does not bode well going into the third. The US absolutely needs to keep pounding Hiller. May I offer a suggestion? Screens, man, screens. It worked on Brodeur, it’ll work on Hiller.
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I’ve got a good feeling Parise will get his first goal of the tournament in this third period.
I don’t, however, have such a good feeling about this game going into the third tied. If the Swiss score first, it’s trouble.
Absolutely. That’s the Swiss hope here.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Third period begun
US still attacking, still not breaking through. So close over and over
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I like Phil Kessel today. He’s far more active today and he had a great chance, forcing a hook from the defender.
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SCORE FOR THE US! A POWER PLAY GOAL!
Is it?
It could be?
IT IS!
ZACH PARISE WITH THE LITTLE CHIP
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It was much as a good bounce as anything else, but it went in and frankly all the US fans should breathe a little easier.
Now go score another, US.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
YES
Is it Parise? Good PP fix.
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That’s the second awkwardly bobbled shot by Hiller after looking solid for 39 minutes.
They definitely need to get more pucks up high on him.
True, but that shot was actually low, it just popped up after the chip almost perfectly.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
AAAAAH THAT HIT THE POST
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Wow
Swiss score and the US won’t
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WHAT IS GOING ON?
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It was in - Swiss
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Swiss originally scored
Americans got penalty on their goal – so no goal
My guess
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Replay says NO to the Swiss goal
And replay shows a whole load of garbage on that call.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Wow, I’m wrong – good ref
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digression..
no ‘A’ on Parise’s sweater… did Wilson make a change?
Americans are killing a garbage call on Kesler. No interference, no head shot, but a helmet fell and that was enough for the ref.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, this kill worked but it was far too exciting. Drury with a big block early, but the stick forced him to go the bench and then the craziness. Big block by Gleason too. Hope he’s OK
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Having watched countless games with Streit playing the point on the PP, I’d just like to point out that they’re playing with fire letting him have that much time and space.
Agreed. When there’s a loose puck, it’s got to be a hard clear, not a soft one that can be given the point with space.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Nice NBC camerman
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PARISE HITS THE POST
America NEEDS a second goal, and Parise nearly got it.
Still, the US needs to be more patient with the puck.
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Anyone else on the west caost cant watch the game?
Apparently NBC thinks 3 EST means 3 PST
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions
It’s tape delayed for them.
I have no idea why – horrible move by NBC for the affiliates.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hate it but they will have the canada game on at 4 I bet
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
41 saves for Hiller.
Less than 9:40 left in the game.
Well, this score isn’t his fault, clearly.
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His helmet didn’t fall off.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The crowd is solidly behind the Swiss. They are the underdogs…and the US did beat Canada, so understandable.
I’m still concerned until I see a second US goal
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I’m also still concerned with some of the defensive zone decisions. If you have the puck behind the net and are being pursued, don’t blindly dropit back! Just bang it forward along the boards! The safe play!
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fun fact: The US has attempted 73 shots. They got 43 actually on net.
Yet, only one goal off a fantastically fortunate bounce.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a wonder Olczyk isn’t still coaching… he’s full of amazing insight like, “don’t turn the puck over in the final 5 minutes of a game” and “they need to play strongly in the neutral zone.”
US D are coming up with big blocks
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Roman Wick with a DIIIIIIIVE and everyone hates that the ref not-calling it. Good job ref.
Swiss are taking a timeout. Chris Drury – I think – got the puck up close on the forecheck due to a Swiss failure and didn’t shoot it.
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1:43 and the Swiss net is empty.
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You want Langs on the ice here
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Clearing attempt ices the puck. Fine. As long as it’s not in the US zone
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PARISE ICES IT!
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and a shutout to Miller
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THE UNITED STATES WILL GO ONTO THE SEMIFINALS
Win that and it’s a chance for gold.
Lose that and it’s a chance for bronze.
Tough game. Hiller was out of his mind, but the US got the bounce and held steady late when the Swiss got aggressive.
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An important test
I think this games helps the USA for Finland or Czech
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I haven’t seen much of the Finns, but I’m not liking how the Czechs needed OT to beat Latvia. That third period against Russia didn’t just saw them lose that game but take some of their wind out of their sails.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
looked like there were a lot of Canada jerseys
if that’s the case, it’s probably why it was so loud when the Swiss would just miss a scoring chance…. nice to disappoint them once again. ;-)
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by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 24, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Sorry I had to push this down the front page
There was some rather important Devils news today.
In any case, 30 minutes until Russia-Canada. Anyone know how to say “Let’s Go Kovalchuk” in Russian?
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There is pre-game for Russia/Canada
Huh. How about that.
15 minutes left. There’s a good mix of Canadian and Russian fans. It’s not all going to be LUUUUUUUU from the fans.
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Zach Parise sighting
Ovechkin and Crosby are playing and they show a Parise interview. He must be moving up in the world.
Indeed. And he deserves the attention.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Russia-Canada begins
Big Canada crowd. They come out strong, but will it last? The first shot? Well, nothing.
Also, Kovalchuk, you got to cover the d-man.
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Canada scores first
Ryan Getzlaf as the trailing man in the slot, gets the pass into the slot, and it’s an easy shot. Terrible defense by Viktor Kozlov.
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So since the goal...
…Canada’s feeling fine. The crowd’s in the game and they’re getting good shifts here and there. They’re throwing hits, they’re defending well, and Russia looks a step behind.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Russia gets a chance here - they are on a power play
Alexei Morozov got hit away from the puck by Brent Seabrook, a bit of an embellishment, but it’s still a minor.
Russia needs to do well here, get some momentum going.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Morozov had a cross-ice pass RIGHT THERE for a great one-timer…and he whiffs it.
I’m amazed Mike Richards didn’t get called for hooking just now. Still, they are killing this.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
It also doesn’t help that the fantastic looking slap shots by Russia are going right into Luongo’s stomach for an easy save.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Canada to go on the PP
Volchenkov had to take down Crosby, fair enough. On the ensuing scrum, Canada couldn’t dash one home. All the same, they are on a PP here.
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And with traffic in front, Canada gets a long shot into the net. Dan Boyle breaks through, Evgeni Nabokov couldn’t see it thanks to Patrick Marleau, and had no chance.
Up 2-0 late in the first. Russia, where are you?
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Canada up 3-0
Towes with the easy pass to Rick Nash. Nash in the slot and he puts it high which was where it needed it to be. Whole rush created thanks to a Russian turnover at Canada’s blueline.
Russia’s taking a timeout. They need something QUICK to get back into this game.
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THERE IT IS! DIMITRI KALININ!
What a NASTY slapshot. Great screens by Kozlov and Pronger, Luongo had no real chance at it.
5:20 left int he first period and Russia has a lifeline.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
How has it been since?
Well, Canada and Russia are trading chances.
Nabokov committed highway robbery on Rick Nash with a lateral save.
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I take that back, Canada owns the puck for a LONG shift and get rewarded
Brendan Morrow in the slot on the second effort. Zinoviev looked well out of his depth covering him.
4-1 Canada.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Russia’s playing with anger. Where was this at 2-0? Or 3-0? Or now?
Canada’s offense is just doing what it wants!
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Canada played to their abilities
And Russia is shellshocked.
Both teams’ defenses didn’t look good; but Canada just did whatever they wanted on offense. 3 of the 4 goals against, Nabokov couldn’t have done much better; but I suspect a change will be made. I’m disappointed in Russia. When they pulled one back they didn’t really try to build on it. There was just a lull before Canada went back to doing what they wanted on offense.
Russia’s losing 4-1 and they need a huge start to the second period to have a chance.
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Second period begins
Nabokov still in net. And why not? He’s not blowing the game.
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I really really really want Luongo to get lit the **&^#$)#&@#&^$ up with shots and scored on a million times this period. Please ohh please Hockey Gods!!!
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions
Corey Perry on the loose puck, Canada 5-1
Nabokov committed too much to the initial shot, the shot’s blown and Perry had the whole net to put it in. He couldn’t have missed that.
Russia is so lethargic, changing the goalie would change nothing.
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Shea Weber unloads a slapshot
OK, Nabokov probably should be pulled on that one.
And he is.
6-1 Canada
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I will never speak ill of canada again hockey gods but please please let something happen. I wanted russia to score not canada
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
RUSSIA RESPONDS! What? Really?
Maxim Afinogenov takes the stretch pass, he’s got space all alone and he beats Luongo easily!
6-2. Whaaaaat?
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NOW Russia has decided to play. Eddie Olyczk is engaging syllogisms. Did Canada just let up a bit? They don’t look so superior?
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
7-1 Canada
No one picked up Corey Perry in front. Eric Staal set him up for sweet looking one-timer. No chance for Bryzgalov, the shot was on the flank.
So much for the Russian comeback
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My mistake. Russia has 2 goals. 7-2. Does it matter? Not really?
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
RUSSIA SCORES! 7-3!
Sergei Gonchar from the point, slap shot, BOOM it’s in!
Where was this earlier in the game? Good passing, a faceoff win, good possession, and Ovechkin in the slot.
That was a PPG as Canada was serving a minor for too many men.
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Russia takes a minor for interference
Well, Canada has a chance to answer back to the Russian ingratitude of scoring a third goal.
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Russia kills the penalty!
Well, that wasn’t a failure for them.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering..
If Russia scores 4 goals are they going to start Flower if they win for the next game?
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions
I don’t know. They probably won’t.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
But that would mean Luongo is mortal just like Marty. They need someone to only let one goal in and thats it
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Late minor to Keith
Dumb trip. Getzlaf should have been called for a cross-check after.
Russians on the PP. Ovechkin breaks his THIRD stick.
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Eric Staal hit hard into the wall
Volchenkov with a dangerous hit. He will go the bench, he’s shaken up.
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Down 7-3 in the third? What do you do? Take a penalty!
Poor, poor Russia.
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No it wasn’t Volchenkov’s hit on Staal.
Canada hits the post! But no, it didn’t bounce in.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Russia killed the penalty, but Canada’s looking for #8 and that’s killing Russia.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So is that too many men on the ice call they took.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Marty's Getting Cheated
John, am I the only one here who thinks Marty was setup to fail in this tournament? Marty plays USA and Swiss, clearly superior to Luongo’s German and Norwegian opponents, and when he doesn’t put up comparable numbers all of a sudden the greatest goalie of all time is not trusted in the Canadian net. This is really getting me upset. How do you feel about this?
Marc R.
Its funny and very amusing. He probably was set up to fail so they can feel like they have another goaltender to backstop them when marty is gone.
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 24, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Let me defer to Mr. Tom Gulitti from the comments to this post (12:25 PM):
What’s happened to him in this tournament is unfair. An entire country—including Mike Babcock—threw him under the bus when he was not the only one to blame for that loss on Sunday or the way the team played against Switzerland either.
Maybe that will motivate him when he comes back. I’m sure he won’t forget it.
I agree that Brodeur was unfairly thrown under the bus. Yes, he didn’t make good decisions stickhandling the puck; yet this excuses Canada’s offense missing the net, wasting power plays, and not using screens; and the defense was miserable in their own zone – especially on the goals against. At the end of the day, two deflections and a screen – that’s 3 out of 4 that I can’t fault Brodeur for anymore than you can’t fault Luongo for giving up that first goal against Russia on a screen.
I don’t think he was set up to fail; I think the expectations were too unrealistic. As I said a few days ago, a goalie change wasn’t and isn’t going to make the rest of Canada play better. That’s up to the players and coaches. It’s a syllogism to argue that Luongo being in net has been the main reason why Canada has played better against Germany and Russia.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Also just utter disrespect. No matter how he played, I think this is a slap in the face by Canada to Marty. Just seniority alone should have earned him the nod.
Marc R.
I could go either way, really. For Canada’s perspective, the emotional pick was to make the switch but practically was it going to make Canada that much weaker in net? Not really. Luongo’s talented enough to do the job. But would have he stopped the same shots that beat Brodeur? Probably not, unless he has some crazy x-ray/psychic vision.
I’d argue he hasn’t played a very competitive team yet in these Olympics. Russia’s been too awful to be considered competitive tonight.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was the opponent.
I believe they pulled Marty because he lost to the U.S. and that is the team that Canada hates to lose to the most..
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This game has gotten ugly
Nasty hits. Semin throws a big hit on Boyle (an elbow?), Semin’s slewfooted by Boyle from behind, and while Canada will surely win, it’s not exactly sportsmanlike here.
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Well, Semin’s in the box. Fair enough. Boyle must be getting something here to, right.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Minor penalties for both. I’m sure Caps and Sharks fans weren’t happy watching that sequence.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
What was so bad about Semin’s hit? Boyle’s retaliation was far worse…
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 24, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Semin appeared to leave his feet, he went high, and I thought I saw an elbow.
I don’t think it means much now to quibble over it. If I’m wrong, so be it.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Canada wins 7-3
Truth be told, Canada did something they didn’t do all Olympics long. They got off to a great start, scored early, and didn’t let up early.
Were I to grade Russia’s performance, I’d consider giving them a “G”, not even a “F” Bad start, terrible responses, and they didn’t build much on the few good shifts they got or either of their goals. Media will blame Nabokov, but the defense was miserable and the offense was dulled by Canada’s great play in all three zones on the ice.
Canada’s key here is to avoid listening to the media that will shower them with praise and adulation. Russia played TERRIBLE tonight. Canada took advantage – which is exactly what they had to do – but they can’t expect their next opponent to be as bad as Russia was tonight. Overconfidence will be their downfall – be it against Sweden or Slovakia.
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Czech-Finland coming up next
I don’t think either is a good match up for the US, but that’s how the semifinals should be. All combinations will be difficult games.
I’d like to see Finland win because I like the American’s chances against Kiprusoff much better than Vokoun.
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Elias clips Kiprusoff in the crease, and well, that’s an easy PP for the Finns. Goalie interefence was the call.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Finland-Czech isn’t exactly lighting anything up. Even so far, though the big CR’s got to cut down on the calls. Krejci will now serve a minor.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Mind you, the Finns are on PP #4 if I’m not mistaken.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
So it's 0-0 after one
And it still is early in the second.
Finland has not scored since their second preliminary game.
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There hasn’t been much to comment about other than that
A) Finland appears out of sync and just don’t threaten all that much
B) You never really know what you’d get with the Czechs. They aren’t doing much either.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
One thing is clear: Kiprusoff and Vokoun look solid. They are quite talented and there’s no reason why either couldn’t Hiller it up on Friday.
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by John Fischer on Feb 24, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Finland looks like a dangerous opponent for the US. Defensively sound and opportunistic. Sound like anyone you know?
With the collapse of the Russian team tonight and a presumption that Sweden will defeat Slovakia tonight, I just became a fan of Sweden for their next game.
Sweden scores 2 in 37 seconds
Tied 2 – 2
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 25, 2010 1:18 AM EST reply actions
End of 2nd
Sweden down 1 but they look better than Slovakia.
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 25, 2010 1:27 AM EST reply actions
Slovakia upsets Sweden.
Just an awful game by Lundqvist. I don’t think Slovakia has a chance against Canada though.
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