Game #58 - Devils at Philadelphia Flyers
by Steve Lepore on Feb 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST
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New Jersey Devils at Philadelphia Flyers, Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM EST
TV: VERSUS (HD), with Joe Beninati, Keith Jones and Bob Harwood.
Radio: WFAN 660 AM
Previews: Here's Fischer, and check out Broad Street Hockey for Flyers stuff.
Edited in Self-Promotion: I'm going to be calling in on Rink Side Radio tonight, discussing the Ilya Kovalchuk trade. I'll be coming on at about 9:20 9:10, or near the end of this game which ups the potential for unintentional humor on my end. If you miss it live, don't worry; the show is archived on Blog Talk Radio.
Song to Get You Pumped Up But Also Make You Think Deeply About Tonight's Game: In honor of last night's pretty terrible Super Bowl performance, here's The Who in better days, with "Won't Get Fooled Again".
Join me and Fischer in the comments. Da' Rules: \all comments must be clean and relevant to the game. Tangents are acceptable and talking about the Flyers or Devils in general is OK. But please do not use this for other purposes and to talk about how Daltrey didn't hit a single note. Above all, go Devils!\
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It’s also the last away game this season that will be on Versus, the next one is at the Rock.
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i got to a tv so i can watch
i hope the devils dont break my once again.
by Imperator_Celtic on Feb 8, 2010 5:26 PM EST reply actions
Eh it wasn't horrible (the who)
It was better than I had any write to think it would be. The stage was awesome
I was pissed that they didn’t smash anything though.
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Lineup update
From Gulitti’s live post – and it’s a dose of beef. Peters AND Leblond in, Zharkov and Pelley out.
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Darren McCarty's in the studio tonight...
Meaning that almost 100% of the intermission discussion will be Peters/Leblond.
At least he won’t be singing with Grinder.
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Brodeur! Leighton! THIS is your Monday Night Hockey Game.
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Oh, Kovalchuk and Elias are so skilled. Too bad Elias just went offside before springing Kovalchuk.
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There’s a whole lot of battling but not much in terms of an actual threat from either side. Weird as both teams don’t look, as you would say, good in their own zone.
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Well, both offenses are being stymied by either bad passes or good defending or both. Devils do get the first PP of the game.
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GOAL!
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Parise attempted a pass from the down low position and it just smacks a defenders’ skate and in!
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Goal should be Parise from Greene and Elias.
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and Salvador crunches Carcillo and the two have it out
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Of no actual value, Carcillo has a cartoon-villian mustache. It looks, well, like a cartoon.
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To be fair, Salvador rocked him with a hit, Carcillo bounced up and got hot, and Salvador is absolutely no stranger to getting hot himself, so it’s not like Peters/Leblond were to step in and go “Hey, it’s me you want.”
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It’s another power play for NJ
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Of note was that it was Blair Betts, a PK specialist.
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Kovy is going to help on the PP so much. One of the biggest problems was getting the puck back into the zone and setting it up. With Kovy’s skills, he can do all that by himself.
Funny you mention that now, the Devils have had problems on this PP doing just that. So it was an easy kill
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Tell me about it. As I clicked Post, I was like “are you kidding me”
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 8, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s good to get home and find the Devils winning for a change!
Man, powerball class will kick your rear if you’ve never done it before…
Apologies for the tangent. Powerball?
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NOTE: I’ll be in and out from 8-8:30, as How I Met Your Mother is on, and it’s the only show i’ll let get between me and hockey (mostly because its not on Hulu).
Another PP. So far it’s a slow start
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Ooooh, Zubrus and Langenbrunner had chances in the slot, but the D tied them up in a crucial effort!
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Penalty is killed by the Flyers, but the Devils did much better on the second half of that PP. Kovalchuk had some good passes, good possession all around, and a few shots on net.
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McAmmond is caught hooking in trying to get that steal. It’s time for the Flyers PP
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So far the Devils kill looks calm and in control. Very nice.
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And the penalty is killed for NJ. Good clearances, good awareness of the Flyers’ puck movement.
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It’s nice to see that late in Marty’s career, announcers are forced to actually break down his style rather than blather about systems and puck handling.
The Devils’ passing has been sloppy but so have the Flyers, honestly. Both teams would do well to calm down and be a little more patient.
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See, right just there on offense. The Devils go up on a 3-on-3, a Flyer stickchecks the puck from Kovalchuk, Elias recovers, moves it up to Kovalchuk, sees Zubrus in the high slot, but either Zubrus moves or the pass goes off target and instead of a shot on goal, it’s a puck in the skate and the defense is able to recover before Zubrus can fish it out.
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that whole sequence shouldn't have happened
Flyers were offsides coming on the right side
Go Jets
Go Devils
Andy Greene with a stupid tripping call. No, the call is legit, it was just a dumb move by Greene.
I’m really concerned that the Devils are struggling at making good passes out of their zone and on the attack. They are bouncing off sticks and skates, and the Flyers easily collect and look to hit back. Brodeur’s made some big saves as a result.
Flyers PP should carry over.
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The first period ends with a SH 2-on-1 and Langenbrunner hesitating enough looking for the pass to Zajac for Timonen to make a stop.
Devils should feel good about getting a goal – a power play goal, no less – but they really need to be calmer and patient with the puck. I know it’s a hated rival. I know there’s urgency. But these passes, these clearances, the Flyers are just collecting and hitting back. It’s only putting further and avoidable pressure on New Jersey, which has increased as the period has gone down. The penalties – McAmmond’s hook, Greene’s trip – weren’t good ones to take either.
As the second starts, the goal is obviously to kill the penalty. But after that, the Devils need to make smarter, softer, and simpler passes. IF they can do that, then they can work their way up to making more high risk/high reward dishes.
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And a goal....
try not to give up 3 goals in the second like has been the norm lately.
Go Jets
Go Devils
You know if that happens
its your fault?
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Well, it really won’t be.
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I was kidding
but the only real “superstition” I believe in is for sports that when you say something, the opposite usually happens.
For example during the superbowl: Hey peytons been pretty good this game, except for a dropped pass or two he’s been great.
Immediately after, pick 6.
/end tangent
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im thinking the devils look pretty good in this one so far,but they have been a little iratic latley.
by Imperator_Celtic on Feb 8, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions
He did. I liked some of his work on the PP on the second unit.
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Small correction on my SELF PROMOTION. I’ll be on Rink Side Radio at 9:10 discussing the Kovalchuk trade.
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Salmela on the PK. AND HE SCORES
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AND HE’S DOWN! Oh no.
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just tuned in to see Salmela on the ice. What happened? sounds like a late hit?
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
it looks worse on slo mo
at game speed, it was pretty immediate after the shot
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by CrossCheckRaise on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Salmela jumped up on the play, cut to the slot, fired off a shot, scored, and then was just demolished by a hit. Salmela’s motionless on the ice and he’s being put onto the backboard now to be stretchered off the ice.
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The hit was by Jeff Carter. Blindside hit.
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The scariest ones of all
is when they go down…. and simply. don’t. move.
ugh.
He seems to be moving his extremities. Looks like shoulder-to-chin….
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Nice goal
if you are going down, best to do it on a goal – like a stud. Elbowing?
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by CrossCheckRaise on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i have direct tv so i cant see the game… was it a dirty hit?
by atlantic division on Feb 8, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions
i think it was an excessive hit. not sure if dirty
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not certain after seeing some replays. Not an elbow, but a blindside hit and a late one at that.
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border line call
comes in from the blind side, shoulder catches him right in the head, but he def threw his elbow out as well. wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sort of repercussions for it
sorry
realized there are way too many pronouns in there.
bottom line. it was a little late, it was a little high, and it was a blindside hit. i would have called a penalty on that, but then again i’m not exactly unbiased. contact to the head has (and should rightfully be) a point of focus by hockey in general, and the nhl specifically
The penalty is killed, the Devils are shorthanded on the blueline.
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Greene sprung all alone but Leighton makes the save.
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Difference
The difference is that Lindros wouldn’t have scored; he would’ve just gone down. Great play Salmy.
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Well, not quite. The hit was AFTER the shot. Lindros probably scores there too. It was a fantastically placed shot.
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It was late, but in Carter’s defense, he had his mind set on checking Salmela and would have either way. I just hope Salmela is OK. Definitely a neck and/or head injury.
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 8, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lindors joke
John,
I can’t even get in a Lindros joke? Remember us Central Jersey people hate the Flyers more than the Rags . . .
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the league has a tendency to take past actions into account
which doesn’t help carter or the flyers. maybe a fine, probably not a suspension
With the way the NHL handles discipline after games…who knows.
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6-1 odds
Just out of habit, the league suspends Pronger for 2 games
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by CrossCheckRaise on Feb 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
would I be out of line
asking for someone to throw a big hit on Carter, maybe only marginally clean?
Go Jets
Go Devils
The Devils do look better to start this period, SH goal aside.
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A too hasty Flyer turns a 2-on-1 to an offside.
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BRODEUR WITH A BIG SAVE!
Granted the Flyers probably should have scored there.
Still, SAVE~!
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No, the dude had 80% of the net, and he puts it right into Marty. The defense on his back helped in that regard, too.
As an aside, one of the things I like about Kovalchuk? He can take a puck into the zone, take on defenders, and still maintain the puck. He’s good enough to do that.
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Tweet from Gulitti Re: Salmela
Salmela has moved his arms and legs.
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by John Fischer on Feb 8, 2010 8:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It’s the Devils’ fourth power play – a third goal would be nice revenge for the Carter hit, I think
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maybe kovy will score his first with the devils?!?!
by atlantic division on Feb 8, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions
Devils started well on the PP, a few shots, good possession, but after a clearance, a botched pass results in an icing.
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And the puck movement falters later on the PP and that’s killed easily by the Flyers.
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When the Flyers get it in deep, the Devils defense has done a good job picking up on players and leaving few open in dangerous spots.
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Just able to get to the radio at work...
So recap…Parise…Salmela (score and hurt) and some saves by Marty?
Essentially, yes. Lots of PP’s with 0 goals outside of Parise having a pass deflected in by Chris Pronger.
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So, are the Devils playing well, the Flyers not playing well enough, or both or something else?
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i think a little of both
I am still disappointed with some of our turnovers in the defensive zone. But I think Salmela’s goal was beautiful.
I will say the Flyers defense needs to be more aware, they’ve let a puck sail up ice to a Devil shot on net that they cold have stopped more than once.
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I have the game streaming on the computer and I can barley tell who’s on the ice..
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 8, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
They were rotating a bit early, and they are now, Fraser getting limited minutes. Mottau’s on the second PP unit (Greene’s on the first); Mottau-White, Greene-Salvador
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Interference on Elias and with all the physical play in this game, that’s a bit cheap.
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An important whiff by the Flyers and there’s a clearance.
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BRODEUR WITH A HUGE SAVE!!!
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And the Devils finally get a clearance afterward.
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Elias in a one-on-one, but Leighton busts out a big save of his own after the penalty was killed.
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That was the best Flyers PP, they’re becoming more dangerous going forward, but the Devils are able to get offense of their own in response, which is good for NJ.
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More rushing forward by Kovalchuk, a shot is saved, and Scott Hartnell has some words. Why do the chumps of the league dislike Kovalchuk so much? Because he doesn’t know his place?
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The Flyers get one back from van Reimsdyk.
He just powers on in and fires a laser.
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Jim Dowd..One of my favorite players only b/c we are from the same town…
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 8, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Carter on the two on one and it’s a tie game in a flash!
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I feel sick, really.
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Question for Mike Mottau WHY DID YOU STAY IN THE MIDDLE GO TO THE OTHER MAN
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Yes
I see a pattern. Jacques should take a timeout after ANY goal in the 2nd period. Kill the momentum. Now that would have been a great 2 periods. But John jinxed them with his write up about the 2nd . . . JK.
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Carcillo is going to the locker room. Hmm.
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seriously i wonder if they will get a 3rd before the period ends? j/k trying to laugh
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions
should have been a misconduct on the hit of salmela.
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers fans should feel real happy – the Devils were the better team but the Flyers equalize.
The first goal against, I’m not sure what could have been done differently. The second goal started off quite oddly. The Devils fire a long shot on Leighton, the rebound is huge, and a defender (Pronger) just pitchforks it up ahead and Mottau is left as the lone man. I’m going to be real generous and assume he had no idea where Carter was since he was facing Hartnell the whole time. The pass went through and Carter has an easy goal.
A very big punch to the gut after a period where the Devils killed penalties well, got a shorthanded goal, Brodeur made some huge saves, and as you can see from the comments – many commenters are coming in just now to voice their displeasure.
The Devils NEED a response and the next goal to take some of the wind out of Philly’s sails and to take back this game. With 20 minutes left it’s very do-able.
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First goal started on a breakout from a forecheck that Rolston blew because he was afraid to go into the boards with Pronger behind him. He pulled up instead and Pronger took it away from him. Marty should have had it, though.
Second was Mottau defending a 2 on 1 and playing the pass and the man and doing neither very well.
Anytime there is an odd man rush, the defender must immediately play the pass. Marty can manage the 1-1 match up with the panhandler.
Agreed – but what if the other man is behind the defender? Because the whole way, Mottau’s vision was right on Hartnell. Which makes him worse because if he’s going to (stupidly) play the puckhandler, then he needs to GO to the puckhandler instead of put himself in no man’s land between the two.
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If the other guy is behind him then he’s doing his job as he’s between the puck carrier and the 2nd man. He looked like he knew what he should have done but thought he knew better and ended up doing neither.
Pretty much.
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Want some positive news?
Per TG’s twitter: Salmela is up and walking.
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I don’t think Anssi Salmela is Finnish for Willis Reed, so I wouldn’t hope too much.
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commentator’s said the flyer doc’s were working on him
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
better have tonight off and hopefully he’ll return for our home portion of this 2 game set.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Who are the broadcasters tonite? I missed the first few minutes of the game, and don’t recognize the voices.
Have you checked the post itself?
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How are the Devs going to react?
Every time the Devs touch the puck, it seems like 3 Flyers are instantly there to batter the guy that has it. How does a team counteract that? I don’t know enough about hockey strategy to guess at the answer, but hopefully JL does . . .
i think for starters the Devils should do some battering of their own.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pass the puck to the man not covered by 3 Flyers.
That’s why there’s a lot of lay-offs and pokes at pucks into open spaces.
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Yeah but . . .
Seems like you gotta pass through 3 Flyers to do that.
I’m going to be on Rink Side Radio in a few minutes so I’ll be mute here. But watching the game in progress. This should be interesting.
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Seriously
Three Flyers on the puck every time.
to hear no neck injury is shocking and awesome
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 8, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is driving me crazy…I’m tempted to turn this off because I can barely see what’s going on! Fix your feed VS!!!!
They're hanging on
Realize how our PP was in and out? This is pressure, we’ll be lucky to survive.
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Not lucky
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I don't feel sorry for our team in the least....
You can’t be given that many chances on the power play and come up short….
Kovalcuk
Iyla . . . now would be a good time.
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I'm not watching the game right now
Are we sucking right now or was it just a good play by Philly?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Philly is playing with the confidence you would expect after scoring a PP goal. We on the other hand are scrambling to put any sort of rush together.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to be a negative nancy but...
I’ve been watching the Devils for a long, long time and this team, as presently constructed, doesn’t have a shot at winning the Cup. And I don’t think Martin & Clarkson are the difference.
BTW
I still have not seen a reply on that Parise penalty . . . was it really his stick that hit the Flyer Dman?
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Zubrus is going to get it
I’m feeling it . . .
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Mike Not-tau
Mike Mottau is really having another atrocious game. Caught in no-man’s land on that second goal, too many failed clearances. Lemaire keeps giving him a lot of playing time. Yeah, we’re down a defenseman, but comon man…
I just don’t understand how he is in the line up night after night. any sense of a forecheck on him and he loses the puck. That’s not pro-hockey
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sure are glad we have PL3/Peters dressed tonight....
Once again a waste of space and of little use…get the youth up from Lowell already. I have seriously had enough of those two….
so right
our players are getting clobbered and they were nowhere to be found
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m back from the radio and Brodeur just made some huge game-salvaging saves. 2 minutes left, can NJ miracle an equalizer?
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That was Salvador
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THIS IS A CRUCIAL POWER PLAY
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he also took one
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I’d wait a minute, honestly.
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Alright
everyone shut up and let them do there thing until the PP is over.
K?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
You know no one ever is quiet on the internet.
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The Philly defense just stopped the equalizer.
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shots
we need more shots! there D & there goalie are doing a good job!
we should have capitalized on there dumbness!!
these shots also need to closer than from the far corners of the offensive zone
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
40.8 left.
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have you guys noticed that maybe the devs are forcing it to kovy a bit on the PP? yeah you want to set him up, but i feel like they are forcing it and the flyers are reading that. thats why nearly every kovy shot is tipped or blocked.
The Devils win and I hate this.
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not enought sustained pressure. lately it’s been a week shot on goal from faaar away and then the other team clears the zone. Devils have big problems, and it’s starting to look like we burned a prospect in a trade.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
6-10-1 since 1/8/2010
Don’t tell me that the Devils are in trouble now or will be in trouble.
They’ve BEEN in trouble.
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2 losses to our hated rivals
John,
It does not get worse than this. Steve, please be rightly tough on them in the recap.
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One. Steve doesn’t write the recaps when I’m around.
Two. I will write the recap however I want to.
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How do we fix this?
Clearly its not the personnel, so what is going on?
Lets hope for all our sakes that this is rock bottom…..idk how it could get any worse?
Trade Green for some more beef on Defense. It’s not like our D is stepping up to score anyway
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Horrible!!!
Unable to score on the PP, defense cant clear, Marty has to be sick or something, and Kovi doesn’t seem like the all star everyone says he is.
Hopefully we fix these issues.
Does anyone else think that all Kovi does is shoot from the point and sit back while everyone else is playing defense?
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions
devils problem?
they’re trying to set up kovalchuk too much on the PP, their PP stinks. lemaire is setting a bad example for the guys playing ilya the full 2 mins on the PP
hey guys were getting a blizzard wednesday for all of you snow lovers...
….something to take your mind off the devils for a bit….
Comparing our NJ Devils to the Washington Capitals
is completely disturbing. Here are two teams at the top of the East that are at very different levels of play. I feel nauseous…
Look, we played really well for 35 minutes. I’m choosing to take this as a step in the right direction.
this game after being up by 2 was a morale killer
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
How is that an improvement
when a lot of other games they play well for 58? Oh, wait, they fell asleep for 2 minutes again tonight.
Go Jets
Go Devils
its a miracle we still are atop the Atlantic. Every year that we start off real hot and are great the first half of the year we end up disappointing at the end of the season, and gettin knocked out early (and firing coaches in the process) If you look back, its the years where maybe we didn’t start off that great, but we finished strong (ending not necessarily in the top 2) we’ve had better stretch runs, including all 3 cups
Can we trade Kovalchuk back?
Plain and simple we need Oduya back.
Are you mad.
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lets not turn on him yet but man i wish he would do something and live up to the expectation that the hockey world gives him. He looks great sometimes but shoots from the point almost always.
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s because he plays point on every power play and it seems the Devils want to force every puck to him. I’m all for setting up strong shots and he has a great one (9 hit the net), but they need to mix it up.
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he needs more than a few games on a demoralized team to build some chemistry. You all have to admit that we had big problems before he got here.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
thats what i figure but I cant take all these loses. Im losing my mind here
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
just remember
Still 2 points up on Pitt with a game in hand. So a quick turnaround and they’re still in control. They gotta win Wednesday, then beat up on Nashville and Carolina.
Go Jets
Go Devils
Normally I would agree but...
In my opinion giving up Oduya and Bergfors for a rental player isn’t worth it?
Coaching
White and Mottau seem to get more ice time the worse they play… Jesus the 3rd flyer goal should have been cleared but another fansy pants clearing attempt.. Pandolfo needs to be taken out to the back 40 and put out of his misery.. Lemaire has to quit showing all this loyatly to Pando , white , and mottau … Fraser is a better D man than Motts…
No penetration on the PP all cycling around the outside… pathetic…
PK
Devils PK also was really weak. We had powerplays, and the flyers PK was pressuring the puck at all times, forcing the devils to make mistakes. When that Parise HS penalty came, our PK had 0 pressure and seemed to suck into the middle so much that the flyers just tick tack toed around us and scored (not to mention mottau lying on the ice, while timmonen took the puck around him)
Does anyone else wonder why there was no call on the salmela hit?
by CaramelCoveredXMas on Feb 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST reply actions
I just wish the Devils responded with some hits of their own. We weren’t only outplayed but we were beaten up too. Leaving Philly with no pride and no momentum for next game.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
it was
too fast and close in real time. It was maybe a fraction of a second late. Hard to catch that in real time. Besides, aren’t you allowed to complete your check after the player passes or shoots but before it reaches its destination?
Go Jets
Go Devils
What a waste of roster spots
Peters had 42 seconds of ice time. PLL only 3:09. Geez, bring back Davis or Palmieri if that’s all these guys are going to play.
Go Jets
Go Devils
so that answers my post from earlier why there was no enforcing presence of Peters of Leblond
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Game over Devils lose again.
I am not going to blame Marty this time even though once again he was outplayed by a no name goalie. The power play is putrid. They had so many opportunities tonight it was pathetic. My daughter asked me how come Kovalchuk always shoots from way out there. He needs to get closer to the net. Losing Salmela put a lot of extra ice time on the shorthanded defense. Dissapointing loss once again. I am starting to worry about this team now.
Donald Vasquez
red alert
Next thing you know, Kovy will fall under this funk that the rest of the team is under. Someone needs to step up as a leader and take charge of this team.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
problems
i think with the players we have, the scoring will return, once kovy gets acclimated. More of a glaring problem I think is how the defense has seriously digressed in the slump. Failed clearances, turnovers, bad passes, and even little things like keeping the puck in the zone and blocking shots-the defense PROBLEM A with the Devils at this point.
Salvador is our only solid defenseman at this point. Fraser’s alright. Greene is looking like his old self, and White and Mottau have been just bad. I think we need some defensive reinforcements- ASAP
No more small puck movers in my opinion. This D needs to be beefed up so it can shut things down.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Spot on re the defense.
This team has given up a number of leads, including two goal leads against Toronto, LA and now Philly.
I don’t want to pile on, but we need a change from Mottau. I think one of the guys needs to come up from Lowell.
Peters is awful and I have no idea why they are wasting a roster spot. The have PL3 as an enforcer. Bring up some of the other guys again.
Anyone who is trashing Kovy at this point is showing that they are a typical overreacting fan, and has NO BASIS for their opinion. When the guy has not scored in 10 games, let me know. I liked Bergfors, but he has now scored 1 goal in 2010, but he was going to be the answer this year. I just don’t agree.
That being said, I see no way they hold off the Penguins.
This sucks.
by Devilssection21fan on Feb 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Despite the effort that fell apart, thanks at least to this site for the company, and (after the loss) support group.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions
…see you all at the next train wreck.
by Devil_Hard_Core on Feb 8, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
The injury had a bigger affect than we think
I honestly think only having 5 D for the nearly the entire 2 & 3rd periods did have a great impact on the outcome of this game. Losing Salmela will be tough . . .
But my general problem with the D is that they don’t look confident. know it is hard to criticize them when our offense isn’t producing. But re-watch the 3rd period. When they got possession in their zone, they simply just tried to get it past the blue line. While this is a smart strategy if you’re holding onto a lead, and then it is even an edgy strategy – it has seemed to reveal the tentative style the D is playing recently: They are playing to NOT make a mistake. They’re not playing assertively – having patience in their own zone and looking for a nice outlet pass. In the offensive zone, they’re not trying to hold the pucks in and just trying to give a couple extra strides back and be safe on D. But this is not the killer instinct that your D should have when trying to win hockey games. They’re doubting themselves and that’s what I’ve seen recently.
Looking at their plus/ minus since the slump (starting the TB game) – it is not overwhelming bad, but every guy a minus isn’t good either. Would love to see the PP vs/ the PK during this slump though too.
White – 3
Fraser -3
Mottau -3
Salvador -2
Greene -1
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Devils need to try some of the defenseman from Lowell.
They should call up Ekford or Corrente to take some of the load off of this tired defense.
Donald Vasquez
Agreed
Trying something before break would be nice . . . I never said tired in my above post, but you nailed it. They look tired, well Fraser is the only one to me who doesn’t.
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Olympic Break
Agreed. I think the break for the majority of the team (namely the defense) can only be positive at this point. It can’t get any worse. Hopefully we come back realizing that we have some work to do
Also need to spend more time in their end.
Whatever happened to the cycling offense we were playing earlier in the year. Especially in the second half of the game. WE are spending most of our time in our own zone during this bad stretch.
Donald Vasquez
toughness
beginning of the year, we were winning 75% or more of loose puck battles in the offensive zone. We were tough, gritty and winning those 50/50 pucks, and turning those into scoring chances, and goals. Now we’re having a hard time gaining the zone, winning pucks, and getting quality chances from scoring positions. I really am tired of seeing Rolston take weak wristers from the side boards. If we are going to dump, we need to be tougher in the trenches- period.
Rolston looks lost playing the right wing.
Rolston looks like he is having a hard time getting any kind of shots to the net. He seems out of position to me.
Donald Vasquez
Rolston
Just like last year, Rolston is pulling somewhat of a disappearing act. Lemaire was supposed to restore Rolston’s scoring touch. It looks like he’s just played himself into a 3rd liner again this year.. Honestly have barely heard his name in the past couple games.
And very true, Clarkson is a bigger loss than people think
I disagree a little on Rolston – while his scoring has been inconsistent, he’s been the forechecker on that third line and provides a nice complement with Niedermayer and Pandolfo, two players who really can’t match up with Rolston’s offensive skills.
Rolston got blocked 3 times tonight and only played 15:27. Normally he’s the point man on the second power play unit, but since Kovalchuk’s on both units – maybe something that needs to change? – the puck’s going to Kovy instead of Rolston. Defensible, Kovalchuk’s got a hard slapshot too; but that contributes to Rolston’s quiet game, I think.
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by John Fischer on Feb 8, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
RECAP IS UP
I just wrote out how I felt and it’s a ramble but really can you fault me at this point?
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