I Defend the Decision to Start Martin Brodeur against Edmonton
The numbers for Brodeur as of late has been poor. In his last 10 NHL starts, Brodeur has been pulled once (5-2 loss to Carolina on 2/13) and has allowed more than 3 goals in all but one game (the 5-2 win over Nashville on 2/12). In each of the recaps for those games, I feel I went to enough length to explain what I thought about each goal against; but it's clear that common sentiment only cares about the numbers. Understandable, this is a results-oriented business. The recent results aren't enough for most New Jersey Devils fans and so the various blog comments and various message board posts aren't pleased with Brodeur.
Needless to say, Brodeur is taking whatever heat he may feel pretty close to home and he's candid on that he has to play better. His comments after the 5-3 loss to Calgary are proof of this sentiment, as reported by Gulitti. That said, I'm sure more than few Devils fans would like to see Yann Danis get a start against the team with the worst record in the NHL. Perhaps the team will play better in front of him. Perhaps Brodeur will be more focused for Wednesday's game against Our Hated Rivals as a result.
Tom Gulitti reported earlier today that Martin Brodeur will get the start on Sunday night according to Jacques Lemaire. I'm sure some (many?) Devils fans won't be too pleased to hear this, given all of this in mind. That said, I not only think it's the right decision but the best decision given the current circumstances. I offer my reasoning after the jump.
1. You play your best players to have the best chance to win a game. The Devils haven't earned two consecutive wins together since early January. The team has been a miserable on the road since January 6 (4-9-1) and poor overall against Western Conference teams (5-7-1). While they amassed a solid foothold in the East, they really could use some wins to prevent a further slump. To do that, the Devils can start getting things in order with a win over Edmonton. In order to have the best chance to do that, the Devils must take the opponent seriously and play them consistently well. In part of taking them seriously, Brodeur has to play for he's the better goaltender - regardless of what recent form suggests.
2. Edmonton is a classic "trap" game. Expect to see this again in tomorrow's preview, but in my mind the Oilers are a trap game for the Devils. Sure, we may think it should be an easy game because the Oilers are by and far the worst team in the NHL.
Yet, consider the Devils against similarly putrid opponents like Carolina (who's hot now) and Toronto (who's still Toronto). The Devils got lit up by the Canes in their last game between other and in three straight games with the Leafs, the Devils got an overtime win, completely played off the ice in Toronto, and needed a miraculous comeback in the third game to win it. The Canes and Leafs didn't play as poorly as their record may suggest, so why expect the Oilers to do so when they got nothing left to lose? Especially in their home and coming off a win against Minnesota?
Again, to best avoid this, the Devils can't look past the opposition. Starting Brodeur at least accomplishes part of that statement. Of course, the team will have to play the game very seriously, by which I mean not taking a period to a period-and-a-half off.
3. The only way to get out of a lull is to work at it, Brodeur doesn't need the rest. Gulitti described Brodeur's recent games as a "lull," noting that the results have been poor for the goaltender. Brodeur's quote here is particularly important:
"It goes with winning," Brodeur said. "When you win, you feel invincible. And when you lose, you feel that something bad is going to happen. You’re waiting for it. And, as a team, it’s the same, not just goalies. It could be goal scorers. It could be anybody. And right now, we’re in that situation where we’ve just got to look at the big picture, look forward and not look at all the little things that are happening because it’s going to drive you crazy."
Do goal scorers break their lulls by not playing? Do playmakers try to make better plays on the bench? Do defenseman get better by getting scratched? No, no, and no. It's one thing to bench a player who has been bad, but how often does it really work? They need to work through their issues on the ice. Brodeur must do the same. Let's be frank, he hasn't played all that much recently. He's started his second game since February 21; so he can't possibly be fatigued. Sitting him out on Sunday isn't necessarily going to result in a better performance on Wednesday.
4. Yann Danis will not inspire the skaters to play better/work harder on the ice. One of the biggest comeback wins the Devils had this season was in Atlanta from December 19. The Thrashers pounced through the Colin White-Mike Mottau pairing in the first period and put three past Brodeur. Lemaire put in Yann Danis and the Devils managed to make and complete the comeback for a 5-4 win. This is cited as an example as to why Danis should play more.
There's two problems with that. First, please read my recap from that game. Atlanta's defense was as good as a wet paper bag. The Devils' offense kept up the pressure, pounded Ondrej Pavalec with shots, and got the goals they needed. Danis was solid but it wasn't as if Atlanta's defense was going to be so bad if he didn't enter the game.
Second, the Devils' 3-0 loss to Toronto on February 2, 2010 pretty much disproves this notion. Danis got the start and while it wasn't the most ideal of situations - the debut games of J-S Giguere and Dion Phaneuf in front of a hot ACC in Toronto - the Devils came out flat. It wasn't that Danis blew the game, but by no means did the guys in front of him play any harder with him in the net. It was just like a similar shutout loss to Ottawa that had Brodeur in net.
The Devils as a team has been struggling, as evidenced by the lack of consecutive wins. Maybe they need a spark. But that loss to Toronto is proof that putting Danis in net isn't going to provide that spark. I wish it were that simple.
As far as what the Devils can do, they can work on a number of the issues some players brought up to Gulitti after the Calgary game regarding fading out of periods. From my recap, I feel the defense could do well to avoid costly turnovers and actually react when the opposition makes a move in the slot. There's probably many more things we could suggest. I'm sure someone will bring up Brodeur needing to play better and make more big, unbelievable saves (Aside: Is that even reasonable and realistic? By their nature, big, unbelievable saves are stops that few honestly expect the goalie to make it.)
But we're not going to see a better performance if he's not playing. He's not tired, it's a game that the Devils should go out and win, and it's a game they'll have to take seriously to win. Therefore, I fully understand and agree with the decision for him to start against the Oilers on Sunday. Let me know what you think, but that's how I see it.
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I know this is completely off-topic
But, I just noticed Jay Pandolfo is a -11 this season right now. Huh?
(Didn’t think this needed a whole fanpost about it)
And back on topic, if there’s any game I think Brodeur should play right now, it should be on Sunday. As long as things go okay, it should be a major confidence boost and a good chance for us to get back on the right track (although, that’s what I thought the San Jose game would do).
by undersuspicion426 on Mar 6, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions
Last Season
I think this will be Pandolfo’s last season here, he looks really slow on the ice. I like him but he doesn’t look the same without Madden. I think his contract is up after the season?
by thatguy011071 on Mar 7, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree...
I’m just going to go through your points one by one:
1. The best player on the Devils is Martin Brodeur. The Devils all think that. The opposing team thinks that. The fans think that. But recently, Brodeur hasn’t played to the level anyone is used to. I’m not saying he is playing terrible by any means, but even if some of the goals he gives up aren’t his fault, we are used to watching Broder make saves in this situation. Sometimes things just stop going a team’s way no matter what you do, but solid goaltending has been a consistent staple of the Devils. Perhaps putting Danis in will cause some of the Devils to put more of the weight on their shoulders and inspire better play. I think they played better last year with Clemmensen in net than Brodeur, and I believe this is because they realized they did not have the goaltender behind them that was as incredible as Brodeur and needed to be more effective to compensate. As a result, both goalies had approximately the same stats at the end of the year in terms of record, save percentage and goals against average.
2. I don’t think this slump is a secret. The Devils know that they are struggling recently and that they need to start winning, because its still not a definite that they will even make the playoffs, let along actually get through the first round. Every game from this point forward is very important, and I think the Devils players recognize this. I also do not think playing Danis is a sign that the coaches are taking the game lightly. Instead, I would look at it as a way to try to throw things around and make the team successful. While you say that the Devils need to play to win every game, I disagree. Instead, I believe they need to play to put themselves in a position to do well in the playoffs. Sitting the best goalie ever may help trigger a response from the team.
3. Just because they are playing a bad team doesn’t mean its the ideal time to recover from a slump. These things take time and can happen against any team, whether good or bad that year. What the Devils really need is an emotional spark, which they might get if they find a way to beat the Rangers next week. And even though he did not play the 2nd half of the tournament, he did travel with the team and did not have a break to recharge.
4. Last;y. Yann Danis may inspire the team if they realize they cannot realize on Brodeur and instead rely on their abilities as a team to carry them and take some of the burden off the goalie.
I agree Brodeur should start Sunday. Marty hasn’t looked too sharp lately but sitting him isn’t gonna help. I think all he needs is one good game and he’ll be back on track.
One thing I don’t want to see is Marty playing either of the back to backs this month. I was fine with it early in the year but I don’t see why he should be doing it now. Both of the back to backs have the Pens the first game then the Islanders and Leafs as the second. I think those are two perfect games to give Danis the start.
That, I agree with, Danis should get those games unless there’s some high importance to Brodeur playing both games.
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by John Fischer on Mar 6, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with John
Brodeur should play as(john said) he gives us the best chance to win. Sitting him won’t help, he needs to play. If he plays well as does the team they’ll get the W and get a little confidence. Brodeur needs just that one good game and he’ll be back on track. As long as he makes the right saves and not the "theatrical"ones that seem to backfire sometimes he’ll be good. Now for the teams confidence to rise this really needs to be a clean Win, no defensive breakdowns, soft goals or letting too many in in a short span of time(goes with the breakdowns) as those will be in their heads if that happens. I have a feeling it will be a good game, with the Devils coming out with the win.(thou don’t take Edmonton lightly just cause there the worst team in the league doesn’t mean they can’t have a good game Ex. Toronto)
Disagree
John, I respect your opinion but I disagree. I know it could be just a funk but its apparent that Danis needs to play more. I just don’t understand why Broduer has to play every night. There is just no need. Broduer could pull off playing every game when he was younger but he isn’t anymore. He isn’t playing well, let him sit and give Danis, who is a capable goaltender, a chance. We need points now and Broduer is not able to provide a complete game.
Now I know Broduer can’t be faulted for every goal given up however, our defense just does not help him very much, they always appear a step behind. I can’t wait for the youngsters to join the team so we can show Salvador and Mottau the door. I would rather deal with the mistakes of a lack of experience to that of veteran who is probably playing at the best of his ability which in the case of the two mentioned is not that good. I still think that the defense is the achilles heal of this team, I just don’t believe it is good enough to win the Stanley Cup. Of course, I hope I am wrong however, our defense (beyond Martin and possibly Greene) would all be bottom pairing defenseman on teams with more talent on the blue line.
Marty MUST play
In the Olympics, Marty just got the rest that some people said he needed. (myself included) Now it’s time for him to play. End of the season stretch, and the playoffs—it’s where Marty earns his money; not this early in the season stuff. Even though Danis can handle Edmonton, our star goalie seems to have a confidence problem that nothing other than victories can fix. Edmonton is the perfect opponent for him to turn his game around. Heck, Edmonton is the perfect opponent for the whole team to turn their game around especially since the Rags are up next (going to that game—sec 232!!!)
19 games left and it’s time to see what this team (and goalie) are made of.
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His confidence problem is hurting the team. The best goalie of all time should know that better then anyone. When someone is hurting the team regardless of who it is he should watch for a game or two from the bench. Other players are subject to that Broduer should be too.
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by thatguy011071 on Mar 7, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Marty should start
I dont see any reason Danis should start. The strugges to get wins have not been Brodeurs fault.
He is rested. He is the best option in net.
Precisely what does the commenter’s age have to do Brodeur playing tonight’s game?
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Because if he was much younger than 37 he wouldn’t realize that pro athlete or not, the human body tends to slow down as they get older. I don’t care that he’s a professional athlete that plays every 2-3 days. There’s still practice, not to mention the mental stress. He needs the occasional game off, whether he thinks so or not.
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Maybe a game against the Oilers will help Marty in the long run.
Give him some confidence…
by RolliePollieKovy on Mar 7, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
I wrote this on fanpost "Do we need a Goalie change"
Marty needs to build some confidence again (as does the whole team). I feel benching him would not do the trick. For other players, making them sit due to a coaches decision sparks them next time they hit the ice. Goalies are different. They are more sensitive I guess. Marty has been through a lot the last couple weeks, and some firsts for him too. He was already officially benched for Canada for a younger goalie (and one can argue, a better one) during the Olympics. There was more pressure on him because he was the goalie in 2002, on top of the obvious pressure the team had. This was his last bout for the Olympics, and to him, he failed. He doesn’t feel apart of this gold medal, and it is definitely getting to him. He was anxious to getting back and playing for the Devils. Let some time pass as Olympic talk starts to die down (which it pretty much has already sadly, bit that’s a separate issue).
Marty is the starter. He does need to play sharper. The whole team needs to play sharper. All aspects of the game need to improve. Thos team builds on momentum and excels when all the players are on top of their game. November and December are great examples. Marty had shutouts, PP and PK were good, all the lines were scoring. Once the PP started to bleed out, everything else did.
I think once one aspect starts playing well, the dominoes will fall (or rise…whatever). Time will tell. 19 Games are plenty to get back on track. I would like to see Danis play 3-4 games though (the 2 games in 2 days situations).
REST HIM FOR GOD'S SAKE!
I get “it”, I really do…But anyone out there thinks that a 38 year old goaltender can play in over 80 contests a year (preseason, regular season, playoffs, Olympic breaks, etc…) and be as effective at the end of the season as they can be at the beginning is crazy.
I look at some of the goals against…true, the defense is abysmal at times. Mike Mottau turns the puck over about ten times a game. Andy Greene’s young, and makes mistakes. The rest of the core is pedestrian at best – you can arguably make the case that NJ’s 3 and 4 on D wouldn’t be the 5 or 6 on some teams in the NHL. But a ton of these goals look like fatigue talking to me on part of the goaltender. When you’re playing every day, certain bad habits can be picked up, mostly with rebound control and keeping your stick on the ice. Marty hasn’t exactly looked great in those aspects of his game in about a month.
Bottom line – why do we have a capable backup goaltender on the bench, when he never gets to play? At this stage in his career, Marty and the team would be better served with a 65-17 game split over the season. Last year showed us that NJ is an organization that plays well with any goalie back there. When Brodeur came back, he started off like wildfire, then had about 8 games where he didn’t look good at all – he could’ve used the rest then, going into the playoffs, but Sutter elected to play him the whole way through, and look where that got them. If Marty sees less than 70 games a year, I’d be the house that come playoff time, he’d look fresh, and play better.
by Mike20 on Mar 7, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I get "it", I really do…But anyone out there thinks that a 38 year old goaltender can play in over 80 contests a year (preseason, regular season, playoffs, Olympic breaks, etc…) and be as effective at the end of the season as they can be at the beginning is crazy.
Why? Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek were able to do it in their late years, no? Moreover, why would they be crazy? Because you said so? Because it isn’t common in the NHL? Why?
Bottom line – why do we have a capable backup goaltender on the bench, when he never gets to play?
Never? I think you don’t know what that word means.
When Brodeur came back, he started off like wildfire, then had about 8 games where he didn’t look good at all – he could’ve used the rest then, going into the playoffs, but Sutter elected to play him the whole way through, and look where that got them.
8 games where he didn’t look good? Those wouldn’t be the same 8 games where the whole team didn’t look good at all, would they? Because one may think you’re saying that Brodeur alone was the problem. And that’s just revisionist history, as is the desire that he “needs” rest.
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Roy and Hasek, huh?
Hasek played 43, 56, and 41 games his last 3 seasons. Roy, between 61 and 63 his last FIVE seasons. Nope. They didn’t get rested at all, huh?
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Oh and by the way
Roy never played more than 68 games, Hasek 72 – once. 67 was his max otherwise.
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Read the original comment a little closer
over 80 contests a year (preseason, regular season, playoffs, Olympic breaks, etc…)
Deep playoff runs, both represented their nations in the Olympics, preseason action even with 60-70 games would add up, no?
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Read a little more of the original comment
But anyone out there thinks that a 38 year old goaltender can play in over 80 contests a year (preseason, regular season, playoffs, Olympic breaks, etc…
Hence the comparisons with their latter years. And someone feel free to prove me wrong, but did Hasek or Roy go deep in the playoffs after they were 35?
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found the answer myself
Roy won the Cup in 01 when he was 35, almost 36, after playing 62 games, no Olympics.
Hasek won the Cup in 02 at 37. It was an Olympic year and he played 4 games in the Olympics. After playing 65 regular season games.
Still, neither played 75 games in those seasons, so we’ll never really have a apples to apples comparison.
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Hear Hear!! I would have thought that MAYBE the Devils brass might have some of this thinking, but….
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I don’t think it would hurt anyone at this part to sit Marty a few games here and there. Although lasts nights games was just terrible.
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