Jeff Carter and Simon Gagne Both Out with Broken Bones
If Devils fans are looking for signs of hope today, Tom Gulitti is reporting that both Jeff Carter and Simon Gagne will be out for Thursday's game at the Prudential Center against the Devils. Apparently both have right foot issues. Carter allegedly has a broken right foot and Gagne has a broken toe.
I guess that's going to happen when you have guys consistently blocking shots the way the Flyers have. Although apparently Carter's teammate Pronger was the one who did it.
I would say that many might think that the series just got a lot more interesting, but the Devils buried themselves in such a deep hole and the Flyers still have a great defense that I'm not sure it's going to make a lot of difference. Carter was invisible in this series until yesterday. I can't allow myself to think the Devils have a chance. If they happen to win tomorrow, then I'll allow myself to dream. But until then, I'll start thinking about baseball, the World Cup and the Tour de France.
Editor's Update: Jacques Lemaire wasn't exactly convinced right away that they'll be out (in terms of time), per Gulitti. He should be given the news elsewhere. From the comments to that very post; TSN reported that both players will have surgery - on Friday. From that, a big confirmation:
Simon Gagne and Jeff Carter both suffered foot injuries in the contest, and both will have surgery on Friday.
According the Flyers, Gagne could return to action in three weeks, while Carter is out indefinitely.
With the team announcement and the nature of their injuries, I think it's pretty safe to say both Gagne and Carter will be out for Game 5. Per Broad Street Hockey, it's understood that Ville Leino will be one of the replacements at forward. The other could be Riley Cote, David Laliberte, Andreas Nodl, or Jon Kalinski.
Editor's Update #2: Clarified the link to Lemaire's thoughts. Per the official Flyers' website, Gagne's out for three weeks. Gulitti reports that Carter is out for six weeks. Rich Chere has a transcript of the conference call with Flyers GM Paul Holmgren about the injuries.
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Too little too late? Though I would enjoy if those two bad breaks end up being the deciding factor
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 21, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly if it was Pronger and Timonen
I might feel differently, but it’s not so I don’t.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Apr 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The question becomes.....
…. who replaces them in the lineup? And which of the third-line and fourth-line players get their ice time?
It is one thing if they have to call up someone from the AHL to insert into the lineup. If it means more minutes for Giroux or vanRiemsdyk, that might not be such a wonderful thing.
Lieno and David LiLaberte will replace them. Lieno can play, but there just wasn’t a spot for him in the lineup before because Asham was so hot and every time we bench Powe we lose. LiLaberte had 3 goals in his first 4 games when he was called up origionally but his luck ran out. I don’t think the lines will matter much because they have been mixed up so much. One thing that I can tell you, from watching every game this year is that the following pairings will stay in tact.
Richards-Carcillo
Betts-Lappy
Asham-JVR
Where everyone else goes is a mystery. Giroux can center the last line, Briere can center it. Powe can center it. They can go heavy two lines adding Briere to the Richards line and Giroux to center the Asham JVR line. Lots of options. I don’t think you will see more of JVR because we’ll play more matchup hockey on the road, but you will see way way way way more of (girou)X. Good luck (kind of, not really) and I hope that a little orange and black input helps you out a little. I’ll be there tomorrow night, so see you all in North Jersey.
by orangeandblack20 on Apr 21, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Flyers lie about the injury. So they can catch the Devils off guard? They don’t seem to need trickery in order to make the Devils look foolish.
I think Lemaire is slowly going crazy.
As Space Weed said, this might be too little too late. But this is still huge news. If TSN is correct, two of the top scorers on the Flyers will now be down. That not only removes two scoring threats, but attention that can be focused on other players. This could very well be a turning point. Or at the very least, I am hoping it is.
Is it me, or is Simon Gagne always injured?
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
hes always injured i notice it myself
by Imperator_Celtic on Apr 21, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
History of concussion problems. He’s usually injured
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 21, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from Lemaire & Staff
what do you guys think the Devils players are considering?
Creed: (Play well-Win=Praise) (Play Well-Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy-Win=Criticism) (Play lousy-Lose/Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
Any violation of this creed is BLASPHEMY!
by LoNJDTechnology on Apr 21, 2010 6:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I want to quote, but I’m actually paraphrasing (and grammatically correcting) my last post on the thread before this.
it’s difficult to discuss the intangibles of this sport because you obviously can’t see them. . . . when you draw a teams in Round 1 that have played you so tough respectively the last 3 straight years, a lot of it is mental. With the players’ confidence levels, etc. If you’ve played the sport; you know what I mean. . . . Matchups no matter how you spin it, matter A LOT with the mentality and karma of the team’s attitudes, leader’s perceptions and how coaches handle the players behind the bench.
Momentum can change all that though. We can now point to Robinson’s tirade in 2000 as one of those moments. They’ll need something like that here. . . .
Admit it. We all perked up after reading these injuries, no matter how halfhearted that perk was. All true, Carter and Gagne have had no big impact in this series and we’re all still steaming mad. Most of us (not all) still lack confidence in this team’s ability to get back into this series. We’re equally cynical after digesting when Lou called this team “special,” and Marty says that Game 4 will " say a lot about the team" and we’re equally suspicious when now Kovy says, this won’t be my last game with the Devils because we’ll win.
Looking at it all now, in the position the Devils are in, it makes my stomach turn.
But if inspiration or momentum can be found anywhere it needs to be seized. I am skeptical, suspicious and very doubtful. When the Devils wake up Thursday, the attitude there is no tomorrow must be real. (Apologize for utilizing enemy’s icon to prove a video point).
But you and me are sitting here reading and typing about these Flyer injuries instead of just plain old complaining about the Devils next playoff choke (even if for a day). If the fear, intimidation or mental toughness is affected somewhat by this (and I’m talking on BOTH teams), then maybe the Devils have something – a crack in the mental block. The Flyers have been pretty resilient; we’ll see how they’ll be affected by this.
Maybe early on again, you can get a good bounce and get them thinking. Maybe you can win Game 5 and get the entire city of Philly to talk about 2000 again. If you believe the Flyers are the better team, then none of this post will affect you. If you believe, as I do, the Devils are in a serious mental block, when it comes to the Flyers, this could be a bright spot. Maybe . . .
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.
And as i have said before
“Well Said”
Damn, Kovy said it like that!? Oh well, It’s been a hoot Kovy!
Creed: (Play well-Win=Praise) (Play Well-Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy-Win=Criticism) (Play lousy-Lose/Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
Any violation of this creed is BLASPHEMY!
by LoNJDTechnology on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Game 5
All year the Devils have played well after a stinker and they will win tonight if Lamaire stops changing the lines every two minutes and leave the boys to play the game with some emotion. Then let’s take our chances on game 6 in Phily.
Good News
While they haven’t been impact players, they haven’t been losing games for Philly. What was once a Solid Foundation ih Philly is starting crack, lets hopes the Devils can find them.
The top two lines have offset each other, its the 3rd and 4th that have been winning the games. This makes a potentially lopsided matchup for lines 1 & 2, or 3 & 4 depending on who moves where.

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