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A Basic Comparison of the 2009-10 New Jersey Devils Defensemen to Prior Seasons

Immediately after the first round loss to the Philadelphia Flyers, many opinions have come out to state what they feel are the real problems and deficiencies of the 2009-10 New Jersey Devils.  Among them, the defense has been put up for criticism.  It's easy to understand why: the New Jersey Devils did not only not beat the Flyers, but their blueline was led by Chris Pronger who just shut down the Devils' offense. 

The Flyers blocked tens of shots, forced tens of missed shots, regularly kept the Devils out of the slot, and made things as simple as possible for Brian Boucher.  Since the Devils' offense didn't hit home with their attacks, the Flyers had more possession and forced the Devils' defense to do more and they played a whole lot smarter than the Devils' offense as they didn't just attempt to freely fire pucks through players.

As a result of the playoff loss, I've read bits and pieces like this in Steve Politti's post-mortem column in the Star Ledger:

The defense, once among the greatest in NHL history, is in need of a total overhaul.

And allow me to speak for the 16,000 or so fans in red: Would someone hit somebody?!

As well as this section of Stu Hackel's post on the Devils' loss:

Additionally, Lamoriello has never found adequate successors to Scott Niedermayer and Brian Rafalski, defensemen who can make a superior breakout pass or quarterback the power play. No one on the Devils defense matches the physical dimension of Scott Stevens or Ken Danyeko either. They had no one like the Flyers’ Chris Pronger in their lineup.

An elite top-line center, a spark-plug defenseman and a battle-tested shutdown blue-liner remain necessities in the modern N.H.L. and for a manager of Lamoriello’s reputation, it’s surprising his team lacks all of them.

Plus this short line buried near the end of Ken Campbell's call of the fall of New Jersey:

The team’s defense corps for the past couple of seasons has been uncharacteristically thin...

And you can see the echoes of the cry for an improved defense in some of the FanPosts on this very site such as this one.  In one of the open FanShots for discussion about other playoff games, I asked about a reason why the Devils' defense isn't good enough and I got an interesting response: a dearth of offense.

However, with references to past Devils teams, let's take a look back at some basic stats to see how the 2009-10 Devils defense stacks up against teams as far back as 1997-98 in the regular season.   In the interest of comparing apples with apples, I'm sticking with the regular season numbers.  Perhaps from this, we can see whether or not the Devils' defense really does need that supposed "big name" stud defenseman to win anything.

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Let's Clear Something Up First

Before I hit you, the reader, with a whole bunch of charts, let's clear something up here.  The Devils have had numerous early playoff exits with Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, and Brian Rafalski on the blueline.   The Devils lost in the first round in 1998 and 1999 with Niedermayer and Stevens leading the defense, as well as ending 1997 with a second round loss.  The Devils also lost in the first round in 2002 with all three defensemen; and 2004 saw a first round exit with Niedermayer and Rafalski commanding the defense (Stevens was injured).   Moreover, Rafalski was the #1 defenseman in 2005 and 2006 and the Devils lost in the second round.

As great players as they are and as much success they brought to the Devils, I want to demystify you, the reader, that nothing disappointing ever happened playoffs with them in the lineup.  They were important players for New Jersey, but their presence and performances did not guarantee a first round win every time.  Historically, the Devils have largely been a "go deep or go home" team in the playoffs - and that has held true, unfortunately.

If you read nothing else, understand this: getting a defenseman on par of Stevens and/or Niedermayer caliber would be great but it doesn't mean that the Devils would definitely get past the first round in future playoffs.

Charts

I decided to record and compare the following regular season stats from 1997-98 through to 2009-10 from NHL.com: goals; assists; points; shots on goal; goals against per game and its league rank; and shots against per game and its league rank.  Is this the most complete look at each Devils' defenses? No. But this way I'm comparing a cumulative 82 game performance in each season and highlighting the basic stats.  Knowing how each group of defensemen have scored tells us how they have contributed offensively.  Ideally, a relatively low goals and shots against per game would indicate how effective they were in their own end.

As a side note, I didn't take real time super stats like hits, blocks, and takeaways into account because they are counted differently throughout arenas across the league.  Besides, the point of any defense isn't necessarily to steal the puck, block a shot, or even hit someone (sorry Mr. Politti and the hundreds who yell for it at each game everywhere).  The defense's main job is to prevent the offense from taking high quality shots.  This means clearing loose pucks and rebounds.  This means keeping the offense from being able to flank the goalie or get into high percentage positions. That is the most important aspect, in my opinion. It's not sexy, it's not easily seen, but we've largely just seen it done by the Flyers in 4 out of 5 games - all Devils losses, not coincidentally - so we should all be aware about how important that is.

First, let's check out the goals against per game and shots against per game as well as their rank.  Please click on the chart to enlarge the image.

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For a Devils defense that doesn't have a big name, they have remained one of the top defenses in the league. The 2009-10 defense shows the lowest goals against and shots against per game average since the lockout.  Relative to the rest of the league, the 2009-10 defense ranks the best in goals against per game and only behind Chicago among shots against per game.  How is this not impressive? Especially given that Paul Martin, the #1 defenseman in the two seasons prior to this one, was only healthy for 22 games?  And that Johnny Oduya, the #2 defenseman prior, struggled so much?

I suppose adding another shutdown defenseman would have made these numbers lower, but given how relatively low they are, it wasn't a need in 2009-10.   Not with the coaching staff working well with a defense that generally knew their roles and performed them to a "T."

Was it ever as good as, say, the 1997-98, 2002-03, or 2003-04 teams?  No.  But those defenses were incredibly tight, among the best ever seen among Devils teams.  That shouldn't mean that the Devils' defense this season was bad.  It wasn't. By the way, I must point out that it meant little in the 1998 and 2004 playoffs - both were first round exits.  So this past season's defense has at least that in common, unfortunately.

However, we can see where the 2009-10 defense stands out in a class of it's own on offense. And it's not a good one.  Please click on the chart to enlarge the image.

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Now, offense was definitely the 09-10 defense lacked.  Not bad in terms of goals, but the assists are dreadfully low in comparison to prior years. Even worse, the shots on goal sank like a stone.  Even if Martin was healthy the whole season, short of Martin having an absolutely fantastic time in production, the defense would likely remain among the least productive since 1997.  Maybe it would have done better than 2001-02.

A quick aside for the 2001-02 defense, Rafalski and Niedermayer were the only ones on the Devils' blueline to put up more than 5 goals and 20 points. Scott Stevens finished in third with only one goal and 16 assists.  Since Niedermayer and Rafalski didn't have as significant additional contributions from Stevens and Colin White (combined for 51 points in 2000-01) and White and Paul Martin (37 total points in 2002-03), there's a big dip in the middle of this chart.

Interestingly enough, the scoring peaked in 2005-06, when Rafalski and Martin led the blueline - joined in by surprising contributions from Sean Brown (12 points in 35 games), White (17 points), Vladimir Malakhov (4 goals, 9 points, 29 games), and trade deadline acquisition Brad Lukowich (8 points, 17 games).  Overall, the key to having good production - relative to past Devils seasons - is that two defensemen are fairly productive with enough contributions below the top two to boost things.

That brings me to 2009-10.  Since Martin was out for most of the season, Andy Greene's ascent led to him leading the D in scoring with 37 points.  However, he was truly the only other two-way defenseman on the roster other than Martin, and so he was the only one with more than 20 points.   As a whole, multiple defensemen chipped a few goals in which yielded a decent total of 24 goals - the second most since the lockout.  However, the lack of assists were dire.  No wonder Lemaire tended to use 4 or 5 forwards on a power play, the defense wasn't producing much as it is.  

What really hammers home that point are the low shot totals on the 2009-10 team.  Niedermayer, Rafalski, and to a point Stevens made a point of it in earlier season to put pucks on net.  From 1997-98 through 2002-03, Niedermayer and Stevens put up at least 85 shots on net per season; and Rafalski has always had at least 120 shots on goal as a Devil.  They were the main drivers of earlier seasons in this comparison where the defense could put up over 600 shots on goal in a season.   It's should be no wonder that the shooting has dropped off since the loss of Niedermayer and Stevens.  But not even 400 shots from this group?  Wow.  I understand why the power play went without the use of many defensemen.   I also understand how big Martin's loss - and Oduya's struggles - was despite how well the blueline have collectively performed in terms of shots and goals against per game.

I wouldn't go as far as to say shoot more and the points will come, but it's certainly something worth trying.  I would go as far as to say that the Devils need to seriously upgrade the offensive skills of their blueline.  2009-10 featured the lowest shot count and the lowest assist total of the last 12 seasons.  

One Additional Comparison

Now, I'm a big fan of the on-ice/off-ice stats recorded and stored at Behind the Net.  Since the big concern about the defense comes after a loss to the Flyers, how did the Devils defensemen individually stack up with the Flyers in the 2009-10 season?

Quite well, actually.  While the Flyers had the "name" in Chris Pronger, the Devils were definitely on par with them - perhaps better than them - based on their seasons performance. So I don't believe the notion that the Devils defense was not good enough.

So what happened?  The Flyers figured out the Devils offense first, defended them accordingly, and when the Devils lost possession (bad pass, blocked shot, missed shot, etc.), the Flyers could attack and were smarter about it.  They were patient enough to read where the Devils were and didn't repeatedly make poor decisions like stupidly forcing shots through players.   The Devils defense ultimately had to deal with a Flyers team that adjusted their tactics accordingly and had the puck more often because of the problems the offense kept having.  They were overrun.

I'm not sure how a "big name" stud defenseman - like a Stevens or a  Scott Niedermayer - could have prevented that.  I doubt a few more "big hits" would have changed the nature of the series.   As much as I and others have praised Pronger for their series, Matt Carle and Kimmo Timonen also stood out and players like Braydon Coburn and Ryan Parent had solid performances.  As good as they are on their own, they had the right strategy and New Jersey couldn't work around that.

Conclusion

The notion that the Devils defense this season was thin or badly needs a stud defenseman or isn't even that good doesn't really hold up when looking back at this season and even in comparison to prior seasons.

Given that the Devils struggled so mightily against the Flyers in the playoffs and weren't exactly lamplighters throughout the 2009-10 season, another offensive defenseman or two definitely would help in that regard.  Even if Paul Martin is retained - and he should be, in my opinion, but I'll save that for another post - he can't carry the team's production.  If Greene can follow up 2009-10 with another strong season, that would help; but I would think that adding another two-way/offensive defenseman into the top 4 would be not only ideal but reasonable.

Looking for the next Scott Stevens or the next Scott Niedermayer or even the next Chris Pronger is nothing but a fool's game.  Oh, sure, it'd be great if there was one out there that the Devils could get.  But it's not as necessary as you may think. Those players are rare enough as is (especially in this summer's pending FA market) and to say that this team needs a stud completely ignores how well this blueline already is at defending.   Through comparison to prior seasons, the stark difference is in how the defense has contributed less and less on offense.  That is what should be addressed through the new coach and any new acquisitions, not going out and getting a "name" guy that may or may not exist.

The key word is help because no one player or one improvement is going to guarantee success in the first round, nevermind going further in the playoffs.

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Well, there is another 'offensive defenseman' we could get...

And he wouldn’t cost a dime, besides for the roster spot. In my opinion, Mottau can be let go this summer and Ekford or Samela should take his spot (training camp willing). They both are CAPABLE (although there is the possibility they will not) produce from the backline. However, Samela has, since coming over from the Finnish League (I believe?) not proven himself all that well, and Ekford has only just played his first year in the AHL. Who knows if either of them will even make the team. But I digress; Mottau is a defenseman we can lose, or sign to a low contract for depth. It’s time to get younger, faster, and more puck-savy on the blueline.

by skly27 on Apr 27, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Mottau is a defender we can afford to lose and I hope we do this summer. Good post.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 27, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t disagree more that the Devils d doesn’t need an influx of talent. You won’t get a solid offensive effort every night from the likes of Mike Mottau, Bryce Salvador and Colin White because they never had the skill in first place. I am not saying the need a stud, just defenders with more overall skill then the ones mentioned above.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 27, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

puck moving defensemen

without naming which player it is the devils should pursue in a trade, at the risk of getting everyone here angry with me, i’ll just say that in order to get someone like that, a puck moving defenseman from outside the organization, the only tradeable players that the devils would likely consider moving in order to get such a player would be langenbrunner (he has a no-trade but he didn’t sound very happy to be here at season’s end, did he?) or, perhaps the most tradeable in terms of what he would bring back, RFA david clarkson (who, it was suggested at some point after he returned from his injury, wasn’t all that happy to be here anyway)..go ahead, say what you want, my skin is thick enough…i like clarkson but i’d like a puck moving defenseman even more

by don in central jersey on Apr 27, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Langenbrunner isn’t going anywhere. I would be shocked, floored, if that was even a wisp of a thought in Lou’s mind.

Where did hear that Clarkson was unhappy? I don’t recall hearing anything about that.

If Andrew Peters ever plays again it will be too soon.

by LangsForPres on Apr 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me either

If anything, he seems to be among the more content players.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Apr 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Langs could possibly stay but he doesn’t deserve the “C” since he hasn’t done squat in the playoffs. Maybe that “C” is just weighing him down.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

John,

while the stats totally sell your argument, You were there ALL season and in the playoffs. And while yes over the course of a season our defense evens out and looks statistically sound this year as it was in the past.. HOWEVER… I’m sure you saw just how often at critical moments the defense just could not get the puck out of our own zone or do anything about the oppositions passing lanes.

I’d rather see a stat breakdown of how the defense of 09-10 performed against our past defensive corps when playing playoff bound teams AND when they were either tied by at least 1-1 or down or up by one.

by Zelepukin on Apr 27, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but every team has critical moments where their defense gets rolled over and can’t do much.

I’d love to see such a breakdown too and I’d like to do something like that, if I knew how to parse the stats that way.

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by John Fischer on Apr 27, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My main point remains: You can’t make personnel decisions based on: “This guy looked bad in a few shifts so he can’t stay.” You have to look over the whole season and based on the whole season, the issue remains a lack of offensive punch, not necessarily a defensive shortcoming.

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by John Fischer on Apr 27, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok but when do you say enough is enough? It’s been 3 seasons of mostly the same Defensive corp, or more or less a similar one keeps with similar results come the end of the year. At a certain point I think you need to detach from the cold hard facts of stats across a seasonal average and start looking at the power of intangibles.

I’m not saying the team needs an entire defensive overhaul… but a new paint job wouldn’t hurt now could it? Something new, shiny and most importantly different could do wonders for morale and the chemistry of some the remaining parts.

by Zelepukin on Apr 27, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The power of intangibles over the cold hard facts of stats?

I’m not saying the team needs an entire defensive overhaul… but a new paint job wouldn’t hurt now could it? Something new, shiny and most importantly different could do wonders for morale and the chemistry of some the remaining parts.

Look, I don’t think we’re in disagreement on this point. A new player to help out on the offensive end would be useful. I’m just saying that it’s unreasonable to go out and get a stud defender who may not exist and it doesn’t make much sense to add another defensive defenseman.

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by John Fischer on Apr 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that is something I can agree with. Hmm lets see, Drew Doughty maybe? LoL

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 27, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you, John

Sometimes it drives me crazy when people start calling for players heads based on a handful of games. Alright, so a guy slumps, everyone slumps. Mottau played like hell a few times in January and February, but he was solid for the most part throughout the season. Especially for what we pay him, how earnestly can we complain?

If Andrew Peters ever plays again it will be too soon.

by LangsForPres on Apr 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got to go. We have kids in the minors that have a much higher ceiling then Mottau does. They deserve a shot. I think Mottau was a stop gap till one of them was ready for a full time job.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No ones calling for his head

This has nothing to do with him slumping in the final week… Jamie has never been a point per game player. It’s the fact that the team was completely unmotivated in a playoff series and I’m sorry that falls on the captain for me. If Jamie doesn’t lead by being loud a voice in the locker-room then he needs to do it on the ice and from what we’ve seen and heard neither was happening.

And no one is calling for his head because of it. I actually really like Langenbrunner and this isn’t me throwing him under the bus, it’s me being realistic and just presenting a possible scenario.

Jamie is what? 35, 36 years old? He’s an expiring contract next year and a very trade-able asset in my opinion. Not only that, but the team has a Captain in waiting. As much as it may hurt to watch him go, you need to look at with your head and not your heart.

What other tradeable assets do the Devils have? Our prospects or Young stars? You really want to move them over Jamie? Rolston? Ha! Jamie is the only veteran leader with a good contract who has over-achieved on the stat sheet the past three years. He’s never been more tradeable then now and could net the team back some assets we desperately could use.

by Zelepukin on Apr 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Jamie can’t be traded because he has a NTC and if I were him, I don’t see much of a reason to uproot his family and go elsewhere.

If it wasn’t for the NTC though, I may be inclined to agree. He’s put up some great numbers despite his horrid end, and did so without riding with Zajac and Parise for a majority of 2009-10 like he did in 2008-09. His value may never be higher at this juncture.

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

NTC have been worked around before and for all we know Jamie may want to move on. See how he feels about waiving if his “C” gets taken from him.

by Zelepukin on Apr 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know about other players on other teams waiving their NTCs.

But when was the last time a Devil has waived their NTC? I’m honestly curious because I honestly don’t know.

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good question. One I’d like an answer to. I really wonder what Lou is going to do this off season. I expect changes and Lou said as much but where and who?

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what happened? The Flyers figured out the Devils offense first, defended them accordingly, and when the Devils lost possession (bad pass, blocked shot, missed shot, etc.), the Flyers could attack and were smarter about it. They were patient enough to read where the Devils were and didn’t repeatedly make poor decisions

Sound like anyone you know?

Swap out “Flyers” for “Devils” and all the “Devils” for any other team and it’s the recipe to three Cups in 8 years.

They out-Deviled the Devils.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Apr 27, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

My Shiny New Toy

I just did a cursory look at the numbers and i know you HATE fantasy trade proposals on here (at least I think you do) but I think an interesting avenue to pursue might be swapping Jamie for Tomas Kaberle. I know, I know easier said then done considering Jamie has a NTC, but he is also an UFA after next year (like Kaberle) and maybe he’ll waive it? I think Kabrele’s may be up during the this year’s draft or something? Again like I said i did a quick look at the details and number.

Given that Burke gave him a C for Team USA, I it’s safe to say he is fond of Langenbrunner. I also think it’s been well documented that he wants to part with Kaberle and add offense to the Leafs.

I want to give Jamie the benefit of the doubt in his lack of captaincy and invisibility the last part of the season but it’s a safe assumption that sometime soon the C is going to be passed to Zach. So why not do it now when the team clearly needs to turn over a new leaf?

The salaries don’t match up, NJ would take on about 1.5 extra from Kaberle, but The devils do theoretically have cap room and Kaberle would also be an UFA. Maybe Lou gets a pick or prospect back along with Kaberle, who knows?

I just look at the Free Agents out there and don’t see anything that could help the team on defense (that’s considering that Neidermeyer may retire) and i’m just thinking aloud.

by Zelepukin on Apr 27, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I like Kaberle, I don’t think it’s a realistic thing to hope for. Sure, the Devils can take Kaberle, but could they keep Paul Martin as well? I’d have my doubts.

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by John Fischer on Apr 27, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lou is going to have a complicated and busy summer. I am looking forward to it.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 27, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The Defense is awful but...

It does need to be improved. As great as the charts and stats can be, there is a lot more to the game of hockey than just numbers. The defense can benefit from a system in place, and yes you have the same system…but the post lockout era and the game has changed. The Devils don’e need a stud, they need an upgrade…..They lack mobility (as seen vs. Philly) and more importantly a game changing presence. I said it in another post, but say you were drafting a team with all the available players, how far would it get before you drafted a Devil. How many pairings can you think of to shut down Ovechkin Crosby, Etc before you get to NJ pair. I’m sorry but if you feel NJ is among the elite defenders your looking through Red colored glasses. Good…Yes…Elite…No….

Martin – # 1 Line
Skoula #3
White #2-#3
Salvador #2-#3
Mottau #3
Green #2

Now say you sign Hamhuis and Exelby….Its an upgrade….Or What about Jason Smith back to NJ or even Andy Sutton.

by tmp1281 on Apr 27, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

This is not an argument

This is not fantasy hockey, I really don’t care about where a made-up team would draft the Devils’ defensemen in a made-up draft.

For a game that has changed, the Devils still finished second in the East and among the best teams in the league defensively. Sure, the defense can be upgraded; but my whole point is that to say the 2009-10 defense performed at an average level is simply not true based just basic stats.

I don’t wear glasses and I don’t need to when I’m looking at what the NHL compiles.

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You stated it yourself…the defense played average, you need to be above average to succeed. The defense in whole benefits from the system, but the lack the emotional and physical abuse that is needed to win. The stats can be deceiving but results never lie. It is important not consider this a fantasy league, but to look at the talent piece by piece, compare to who the Devils employ and see the results. This team underachieved…The season is nothing, no one plays for a good regular season, they play to win the cup and the core defensive group doesn’t cut no matter how you look at it.

by tmp1281 on Apr 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought our defense was pretty solid this year. I would still like to toss Mottau. He played pretty well this year but he isn’t good enough defensively to not be producing offensively.

I would like to bring in either Seidenberg, Hamhuis, or Volchenkov. All three are pretty big and physical. All three are pretty good shot blockers. Seidenberg has the most offensive upside, Hamhuis is pretty good with the puck as well. Volchenkov is a defensive defensemen but still puts up about as many points as Mottau.

So keeping Martin, Greene, Salvador, and White. Signing either Seidenberg, Hamhuis, or Volchenkov. Then having Eckford, Salmela, Corrente battle it out for the 6th spot. That would be a pretty decent defense for next year and still give us cap space to add some offense.

by C.J. Richey on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure if my memory is accurate

but I believe the Devils have had more success with a defensive split. 3 offensive-minded and 3 defensive-minded defensemen. In this respect, they’re almost there, Martin and Greene on the O side and take your pick of any of the other 6 for the 3 D side. I think they should be able to get a decent, not top of the line, but decent, offensive d-man for one of their spare defensive ones and a reasonable forward, perhaps even a prospect. If they really feel like they’re in a win-now mode, mortgaging a little of the future to get the key mising pieces isn’t unrealistic.

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Go Devils

by FrankG929 on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Free Agents Defensemen Available After This Season with Offensive Production (30pts+)

Rank in PTS (G-A) Name Team Salary in 09/10 Age
6th (11-39) S. Gonchar PIT 5.5m 36
8th (9-40) N.Lidstrom DET 7.45 39
11th (11-37) S. Nieder ANA 6.0 35
20th(8-34) K. Foster TBL 0.60 27
25th(10-29) E.Johnson STL 0.85 21 (RFA)
28th(13-25) I. White CGY 0.95 25 (RFA)
28th(6-32) P.Kubina ATL 5.0 32
37th(13-21) M-A.Bergeron MTL 0.75 28
37th (6-28) A. Stralman CBL 0.665 22 (RFA)
42nd(7-25) C.Colaiacovo STL 1.4 26
42nd(4-28) D.Seidenberg BOS 2.25 27
47th(7-23) R.Blake SJS 3.5 39
47th(3-27) J.Wisniewski ANA 2.75 25 (RFA)

by Matthew Ventolo on Apr 27, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Foster and Bergeron

Have low salaries and lots of shots on goal. That’s who’d I’d target.

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by Cherno77 on Apr 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

i was hoping for bergeron last summer actually.

by NJDEVIL4LIFE on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like Bergeron, he’s good offensively but he is small and weak defensively. I don’t know much about Foster. Most of his points could be from playing on the TB PP that was pretty good this year.

by C.J. Richey on Apr 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bergeron...

In my opinion has always played pretty solid hockey. And after watching him last night, I really want him on the Devils.

by NJDEVIL4LIFE on Apr 29, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to see Neider back but it seems he is just done with Jersey. To bad really, he was a special talent. Remember him paired with Stevens? DROOL.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Defense Argument

John while your statistic look good on paper and ending the year with the least goals allowed, at the end of the day it means nothing. These numbers were accomplished with smoke and mirrors and by Lamaire system of defending first at all cost and then thinking offense. I can’t believe anyone who watch this team all year can say with a straight face that our defense is OK ? The puck & play seemed to be always in our end and clearing the zone was an adventure. We can move all of our D-Men but changes must be made to this group during the off-season.

by Old Puck 1 on Apr 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t argue with this.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can be unhappy with the final results and you can rightfully suggest that the defense could be improved, but you cannot argue with the results.

With that “smoke and mirrors” system, this team held their opponents to the least amount of goals against among the 30 teams (and keep in mind that included playing the top scoring team [WSH] four times, the 5th highest scoring team [PIT] six times, and the 8th highest scoring team [PHI] 6 times, or, put another way, a top 8 scoring team roughly 1/5th of the time), were 5th in +/-, allowed the 2nd fewest shots against, and all the while averaged the 3rd fewest PIMS per game.

Oh yeah, and they won 48 games and the Atlantic Division thinking defense first (though I disagree that it was “at all costs”).

To be bitter about the way the season ended… again… is understandable, but one cannot so easily dismiss the accomplishments of the team and its unheralded defense.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And absolutely nothing was accomplished in the playoffs the past three years with said defense. The flyers exposed the Devils defense for what it is, average at best. Lou always built his teams from the goalie out, he stopped doing that at some point, this is the result. It’s one thing to accomplish things in the regular season and something else entirely to accomplish things in the playoffs.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

John while your statistic look good on paper and ending the year with the least goals allowed, at the end of the day it means nothing.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this ludicrous statement.

These numbers were accomplished with smoke and mirrors and by Lamaire system of defending first at all cost and then thinking offense

27.0 SA/Game = 2nd best in the NHL
30.0 SF/Game = 16th best in the NHL

Not that 30 shots for per game is anything to scream from the rooftops, but it’s definitely not indicative of a team that wasn’t thinking offense.

I can’t believe anyone who watch this team all year can say with a straight face that our defense is OK ?

I can. I proved it in this post. Perhaps you should read it again, a little more closely?

The puck & play seemed to be always in our end and clearing the zone was an adventure.

It may have seemed that way, but 27.0 shots against per game tells a different tale. It suggests that the Devils have done a pretty good job preventing shots on net from happening. After all, it was the second lowest average in the NHL.

We can move all of our D-Men but changes must be made to this group during the off-season.

I haven’t argued otherwise. Again, look at the post a little more closely.

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

John, if the game was played on paper with these stats the Devils would be playing in the finals ! However let’s follow your advice and bring back the same defense next season and let’s see if we get a different result.

by Old Puck 1 on Apr 28, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t my advice and the whole point of this post sailed over your hrad. May I suggest actually reading the post?

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you John that our offense wasn’t as bad as people claimed. But that doesn’t mean our defense doesn’t have flaws.

Here are my observations:

Martin – Great stickhandling, good speed, good instincts. Lacks physicallity and gets bumped off the puck.

White – The eye really affects his awareness. In his blindside, he often gets caught out of position cause he doesn’t see the plays developing. When he is on his game he is good and physical, but his puck handling has suffered and it is often like watching the keystone cops with him and Mottau

Mottau – As mentioned above, he handles the puck poorly. He can be physical, but lacks the size to be that effective. He is good at blocking shots, but sometimes he stands in the wrong place in front of the net and deflects the puck in. The main problem with him is that his shot, while very deflectible, is also too easy to stop and predict.

Greene – Greene has come a long way since his rookie year, he is quick on his skates and has good offensive instincts. However he does get caught out of position sometimes and gets burned. He is starting to be more physical and he has very good stick handling skills and can take it off the opponent’s sticks sometimes even against 2 players.

Salvador – A very streaky player, when he is good, he is very good, often able to read the opponents and shut them down. However he gets rattled when he is paired with less mobile d-men and needs to cover them. I think he should play with Greene to fix his problems.

Skoula – I haven’t really paid much attention to him, but he seems like an upgrade to Mottau. Which in itself isn’t much but at least his shot is harder.

Fraser – He has great potential to be a solid stay at home d-man. He should be the replacement for White once he fixes that annoying problem of holding on to the puck for too long. He is physical and often makes the right plays.

Salmela – While he has good offensive instincts, I still think his defense problems are too great to be effective on this team. Until he fixes his defense, he should just stay the spare.

by MoonDragn on May 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok lets play the stat game...

Here are the Devils playoff stats from this year:
Goals against average per game: 3.00 goals
Shots against average per game: 25.2 shots

Sure these numbers look nice but its quality of chances they are giving up. Giving up an average of 3 goals per game and only giving up an average of 25 shots is awful! If that is a defense you are ok with, then you should be very excited by the devils first round exit. Regular season stats mean nothing when you are trying to make progress in the playoffs. Hell why do think people say that the regular season doesn’t matter for the San Jose Sharks, because their season if solely based on playoff success as should most teams. So throwing out regular season number is absolutely useless. Its the playoff that matter. We all know the devils do great in the regular season but doing good in the regular season does not instantly make you a threat in the playoffs. Look at washington tonite. 1 lost to 8 and washington got the presidents trophy so regular season means nothing once the playoffs start.

Lets go even before this year.
08-09
Shots against average per game: 34.1
Goals against average per game: 2.43

That year was the best playoffs we have had since the lockout we just let it all go down the drain in the last 120 seconds of game 7. And we gave up more shots and less goals. This just proves that its quality over quantity.

07-08
Shots against average per game: 30.0
Goals against average per game: 3.80

This year was just bad in every way possible. we gave up too many shots and too many found their way in. The defense has to be to blame here. And we know the defense has not changed much since this. So if the defense doesn’t make drastic changes during the offseason it will be a long time before the devils make it past the first round.

by brodeurman89 on Apr 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regular season stats mean nothing when you are trying to make progress in the playoffs.

So the Devils should only look at a small sample size of playoff games to sign players? That Lou should eschew how the team he has is performing to determine what to trade for? That rookies should be shunned because they are total unknowns in the playoffs?

That makes no sense and you know it.

One more point: If you say the defense hasn’t changed much since 2007-08, would you like to explain how they improved in 08-09 but then fell back in 09-10?

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Lou should look at the playoffs as an indication as to what off season moves have to made since the devils have been knocked out of the first round in the last three years. If the defense hasn’t changed and they still lose may be its an indication that you need to change the defense especially if Lou is in a win now mode like he currently is/was.

Now with the rookies they played in 3 total games between Fraser and Corrente so they had no impact at all. By even asking that Lou should shun the rookies because of the playoffs is absolute crap and not a legit point. They didn’t have the chance to play. That means the core of the defense are veterans so maybe we need to change the veteran defenders like Salvador and Mottau. White is good enough to keep and is worth the money. Greene was a rookie once and now he is arguably one of the best defensemen on the team. Why not get rid of the old guys to bring in younger guys.

The defense hasn’t drastically improved. If the devils have one of the greatest goaltenders to even step on the ice and they are putting up numbers like that in the playoffs, there is something wrong and it ain’t Marty. So lets keep the same defenders and lets see how far they will help in the playoffs and lets not be surprised by another first round exit.

by brodeurman89 on Apr 28, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) Corrente didn’t play defense in the playoffs. He was on the fourth line as a winger.

2) Way to miss the entire point of this post. The whole point wasn’t to argue that the Devils’ defense didn’t need changes. At no point did I say that the Devils defense was perfectly fine for 2010-11. My point was that even in the most basic statistics, this team was not at all poor defensively.

Personnel decisions should be made based on way more than what a 4-7 playoff game series shows, which can be affected by so many random variables that it’s almost luck as to whether someone has a good series or not. Just tonight, Jaroslav Halak put up roughly a 98 Sv% to keep his team in the game; it would be ridiculous to assume that he can keep that kind of performance up or even at that level.

We just saw an offense constantly fail to get shots on net from a significant percentage of their attempts in 4 out of 5 games – do you not think that led to the defense’s shots allowed and goals allowed total go up? We just saw a team who has taken the fewest amount of penalties all season, hand 29 power plays to the opposition – do you not think that had a hand in the defense’s numbers rising up?

I’m not saying the defense was great in the playoffs or that there should be no changes. Just that they weren’t as bad you may think from the playoffs or in dire need of some stud defenseman who probably isn’t out there.

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by John Fischer on Apr 28, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We just saw a team who has taken the fewest amount of penalties all season, hand 29 power plays to the opposition

That’s the part that burns my britches the most.

One of the least penalized teams in the league averaged a full minute more in PIMS than one of the most penalized teams in the league.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Apr 28, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t argue the defensive stats, nor will I try. However, this crop minus the obvious just lack the requisite skill to help the forwards out on offense. White, Salvador, Mottau aren’t particularly fast nor can they lead a break out. It’s like they break up a play in there own zone and quickly pass the puck to a forward so he can skate it out simply because they aren’t fast/have enough skill to do it themselves. I would think that would be a heck of burden on the forwards that would wear them down over the course of the year and playoffs. The D needs to help out more in that regard but they simply can’t because they lack the ability.

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by thatguy011071 on Apr 29, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

not that i dont like white and salvador

but there just not intimdating enough to throw off the other teams offence.they will be great agin in the regular season but i cant see the devils beating any playoff team with there current defence,sorry its just my opinion.scoring is the more obvious problem with the defence but i think both need to be resolved.

by Imperator_Celtic on Apr 28, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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