Three Important Quotes from Rich Chere's Fascinating Article on the New Jersey Devils' Locker Room Issues
In Lou We Trust user C.J.Richey121 posted earlier this morning, this fascinating Rich Chere article about Jamie Langenbrunner, Jacques Lemaire, and the issues in the New Jersey Devils locker room from the 2009-10 season.
It's well worth your time to read it. In light of what in what some critics have said about Langenbrunner's and the team's playoff performance - myself included on both the captain and the team (players & coaches) - it paints a nuanced picture of what actually went on among the team behind closed doors.
Rather than go into every detail, I'd like to highlight three quotes that really stuck out when I read it and my additional thoughts based on those quotes with respect to this past regular season and playoffs.
Here's the first quote that struck me:
"There were some differences of opinion when it came to dealing with a few issues," Langenbrunner said. "There were some things that were done that probably didn’t help the situation. For most of the season it was fine, up until Christmas."
So much for the canard that the arrival of Ilya Kovalchuk messed up the team's chemistry or anything like that.
Though, this makes the issue even worse in my opinion. By Christmas, the team was incredibly successful amid several serious injuries to Devils players. In retrospect, I think a slump was inevitable - teams tend to regress to their mean overtime and after being up so high early, there had to be some sort downfall. Still, I can't help but think these issues that Langenbrunner talks about may have exacerbated the slump in some way.
I will never know the full details of what happened in the locker room during 2009-10, so I freely admit that I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about. That said, given how the season ended as well as the other issues brought up in the article continuing through the playoffs, it certainly doesn't seem that all of them were addressed in any constructive manner. To me, that's on the players as well as Lemaire and his staff - and maybe even management. Was there any sign of an out-reach to at least say, "OK, you're not happy about X; let's actually discuss your problem with X, can we at least come to some sort of agreement about X?" Some kind of constructive discussion at all?
In any case, right after that quote comes quote-of-importance #2:
"There were a few things that happened, a few issues that were tough for me to let go. I probably didn’t handle them correctly. Not all personalities completely mesh, but they are able to work together. I had no problems with the way he treated me. It was more about team issues that we would never agree on."
Lemaire’s need to constantly juggle line combinations was questioned by some players and Ilya Kovalchuk’s freewheeling individual freedom and quarterbacking on the power play did not sit well with others.
Really, Jamie. You probably didn't handle them correctly?
I'll admit that while reading this, a part of me is sympathetic for the players. I'd be pretty unhappy too if my role on the team wasn't clearly defined, that I may not find out until close to game-time that I'm not playing, and were I the captain, that someone else would have the 'C' if I'm not playing.
Another part of me is rolling their eyes heavily. Maybe it's my unhappiness from the playoffs and Langenbrunner in particular Let me echo Gabe Desjardens on intangibles for a moment. Nearly every one of those players on the New Jersey Devils has played hockey for most of their lives, having dealt with all kinds of personalities at every level of the game, and enjoying success to varying degrees at the amateur or professional level. These are not children, these are fully-grown adults who know way more about what it takes to play in the NHL than I ever will. I don't know what's going on in their heads and unless you're one of those players, you don't know either. Therefore, I think it is foolhardy to believe or assume that they are so fragile emotionally and professionally that disagreement with a coach's decision - something I'm sure they felt at one point of their lives or another before even thinking about the NHL - is going to undercut their performance on the ice.
And yet, that's what I'm being sold here by this article. They were bothered by it and therefore it may have carried over into their performance. Maybe I have it wrong. Maybe the team's collective psyche was that much bothered by Lemaire's decisions - even from the fourth liners/sixth-defenseman who learned about not playing in a postseason game during the day. Maybe Langenbrunner's own quasi-admission of guilt led to further rifts that apparently not too many players looked to reach over which affected their performance in their own way. Maybe the team needs to hire a new psychologist or therapist?
An Aside: I don't believe for a second that if the Devils/Langenbrunner had did not these apparent problems, then they would have beaten the Flyers in the first round. Unless a happy locker room somehow correlates to shooting the puck more precisely and I'm just not aware of the connection, or something. At most, this was a contributing cause, not the root cause.
That all said, here's the third quote:
Langenbrunner was unhappy about being a healthy scratch for the April 3 game in Raleigh, N.C., and remained silent on the matter for the next four days. He still will not discuss the incident in detail, but two other members of the organization suggested Lemaire disrespected Langenbrunner by trying to give the "C" to defenseman Colin White for that one game.
White wouldn’t wear it.
"I look up to Jamie. He is our leader," White said. "I’ve always looked up to him and I’ve told him that. I don’t think our (team’s) leadership can be challenged."
You may see this as a great thing. That Colin White was (is?) fully behind Langenbrunner as captain so much so, that he didn't even want to wear the 'C' when he would sit for a game. In a way, it was a great thing. A team's captain should have the support of his teammates. This example validates Langenbrunner wearing the 'C.'
Yet, what was Lemaire supposed to do? He felt Langenbrunner needed to rest and in that case, he needed to name a replacement captain for just one game. As one of the alternates, surely White would have fit the bill for just one game. White wouldn't even do that - and apparently neither Zach Parise or Patrik Elias didn't or weren't asked - and so Lemaire went with just 3 alternates on April 3, 2010. As it turned out, Langenbrunner returned after that game and wore the 'C' ever since. It wasn't as if it was up for competition.
Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but if an alternate captain isn't willing to take the 'C' for a game, then what does that say? That the team will follow the team captain so much so that they cannot step up when he isn't available or isn't inspiring the team?
The larger point is that with most of the team returning for 2010-11, Langenbrunner is likely to remain as captain unless the new head coach or Lou has some other ideas. Right after Game 5, you might not have felt like he should be anywhere near a 'C' (I'll admit to this) and you may still feel that way. That's fair. Though, he apparently has the trust of most of his teammates, and that's really the most important factor. Not one through four abysmal playoff performance or disappearing within the last few weeks of the season, but whether or not he commands the respect of his peers is the most important factor in determining a captain. Besides, it's not like Langenbrunner stopped being a captain after Christmas 2009 - he was captain of the United States in the Olympics, after all. I don't doubt his capability.
However, after these three quotes and the article as a whole, I have to question whether or not he (and by extension, the other Devils) are willing to look themselves in the mirror and admit the root causes behind these issues. It's easy to point the finger at Lemaire now that he's not the head coach now, but that's probably not going to solve much of anything. He needs to ask himself what he could have handled better and more importantly, how he - and by extension, the team - will ensure it won't become a problem with the new head coach.
For all I know, maybe he has been, is currently doing that, and will continue to do so throughout the summer. For all I know, he's come to grips that the head coach usually decides upon lineups and not the players. If so, great. If not, well, there's plenty of time for him to worry about it..
Ultimately, in the big picture, I see this as a two-sided problem with one side already out of the picture. Jacques Lemaire is gone now and there will be a new head coach. Maybe the new head coach will be more palatable for the Devils players. Let us hope there will be improved relations in the back - especially from the captain.
That was my take on this excellent article by Rich Chere. Please read it and let me know what you think about it in the comments. Did you see things differently from what I read? Do you come out of this with a better opinion of Langenbrunner and/or Lemaire? Again, thanks to ILWT user C.J.Richey121 for finding it first where I noticed it.
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I’d like to point out that the teams turning point into mediocrity truly came with their loss to Chicago on New Year’s Eve… right in line with Langenbrunner’s quote about when things started to go wrong.
After that game they really weren’t the same team.
langenbrunner and lemaire
after reading the article two things jump out at me, first, that colin white is a stand up guy, and second, that the chances that kovalchuk will playfor the devils next season are absolutely zero so they should look to spend their time and salary cap money looking in other directions
by don in central jersey on May 11, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I inferred the same thing don in central jersey
Colin caught a lot of slack but to hear that he responded in that manner says alot about his character. While the article was kind of enigmatic in terms of the root problems it was very revealing in terms of the larger ones. I never thought the chemistry was the same after the arrival of Ilya and the fact that some of the other players had a problem with him being the go to guy only serves to reinforce that theory. The straw that breks the camel’s back is the text messaging of players hours before a game to tell them that they had been changed to another line is mind blowing. Is it safe to assume that the Devils just gave up in the playoffs as opposed to being outplayed?
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by LoNJDTechnology on May 11, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking the “C” away from a player is not playing on any given night is not unusual. Colin White have accepted it without question. I think not doing it under cut Lemaire.
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by thatguy011071 on May 12, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why are they zero?
sounds like the problem wasn’t Kovalchuk, but that Lemaire thought the best way to use him was to just run wild.
i dont think hes comming back (kovalchuk),could be wrong and id rather see the devils spend the money on some thing(s) for the blueline.
by Imperator_Celtic on May 11, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
zero
Ilya Kovalchuk’s freewheeling individual freedom and quarterbacking on the power play did not sit well with others (quote from chere’s article)
maybe i’m reading into the above from the rich chere article something that isn’t there but i get the idea that not all of his teammates were thrilled with the special privileges that he was getting, so in view of their first round exit and discount that he would likely have to take to stay here, why would he want to?
by don in central jersey on May 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Waive Him
I was indifferent about Langenbrunner coming into this year and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt on the relationship with Lemaire. After reading the article, I say waive him. All keeping around is doing is giving the other younger players the wrong idea on how to interact with the coaching staff and how to represent the team. Him staying will do more harm than good, and I feel like his cynical attitude has already rubbed off on Parise a bit (remember his “the fans should never boo us during a PP” comment) and it has to end. Bobby Holik is right in one thought right now. The Devils need a culture change, and maybe the Langenbrunner era Devils has to end.
Think about this. Jacque Lemaire has been around the game for a long time. If he wanted to give the C to someone else doesn’t that say volumes about Jamie? Would he have even attempted this with Scott Stevens?
yes i agree
who would have a more noligable opinion then lemarie,except mabe lou.
by Imperator_Celtic on May 11, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Question:
Wasn’t he only going to give the “C” to another player for the one game that Jamie was scratched from? I didn’t get the impression that he was going to take it permenantly.
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by LoNJDTechnology on May 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t going to comment on this article but after reading it yesterday and again this morning it made me think about the maturity level of this guy. Your 34 years old. You are not going to like every single decision the coach makes. Grow up. Take out dislike for any decisions he makes on your next opponent. That’s what a leader does. I am sorry Jamie, your falling short of what that “C” means on your sweater. Don’t whine like a spoiled child because you didn’t get your way. This guy needs to go. The fact that Colin White stands behind him in his statements makes me think there is a “Clique” on this team and that they are more interested in each other then of winning on the ice, this is not good at all. No one player is above the team, I think an example needs to be made here.
The example this sets for the younger generation is not good. Do you really want the young players thinking it is OK to throw a fit when they do not get their way or when the coach makes a decision they don’t like? Sorry Langs, your job is to perform on the ice, not whine – loudly I might add – that you don’t like the decisions the coach is making.
Someone pass this guy a box of tissues.
And wingsfan122, there is no way that this crap is tolerated with Stevens or even Daneyko for that matter. He would stopped this before it even began. I didn’t want to bring Stevens into this but when I think of a Captain for the New Jersey Devils, he is THE captain and the measuring stick. That says volumes about the leadership on the team today.
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by thatguy011071 on May 12, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Classic Captain Charlie Conway/Coach Orion High School Drama
Anyway, I hope this doesn’t turn into a big mess for the off-season. I want to know where Lou was during all of this? I would think his door is always open to anyone that has a problem. Everyone is to blame here (players, captain, coaches, management) for not having a big meeting about the issues and resolving it. They did have a team meeting, and a players meeting too I believe, and I would think if this problem existed until December and had that much of an effect on the locker room, it would have been brought up and fixed. From Lemaire’s lineup mixing, Kovy’s freedom, Langy’s ‘C’ issue, game day scratches, the problems kept piling up.
One thing that’s interesting is the fact that during the playoffs, the players were allowed to sleep at home the night before home games (team rule was always hotel). Was this to give the players little more freedom themselves, not being cooped up in a hotel with the whole team with tensions very high and expectations even higher?
by Matthew Ventolo on May 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Also,
The ‘C’ wearing thing sounds fishy to me. I don’t know the rule or etiquette or whatever on alternates wearing the ‘C’ when the captain isn’t dressed, but why ask someone to wear the ‘C’ for one away game against a team completely out of the playoffs? I always thought something like this would happen if the captain was injured for a long period of time (see Stevens and Niedermayer in 2004). You don’t always need a captain; having 3 alternates is just fine when your captain is out for a game or two. I give White a lot of credit and any other alternates denying the ‘C’.
by Matthew Ventolo on May 11, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope we are not going to try a 4th time with this team.
its worth pointing out this was the third playoff disaster in a row,its not as if these paticular problems were going on back then.i think lemarie did well with alot of the rookies and newer guys when all the injurys were happening.the first 2 years i felt like the same basic team deserved another try,this time blow them up lou,they are heartless and we need a makeover in almost every area.blow them up sky high please.
by Imperator_Celtic on May 11, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
I read this article on nj.com and was completely blindsided..
Lemaire tried to give the C to Patchy? Are you kidding me? You never do that to your captain. With Kovy quarterbacking the PP…. Was there really anyone else who can do that effectively? Greene, Martin, Langs? Theres no one that quartersback the PP better then Kovy on the DEVILS. Theres no problems with Ovie or Crosby… And Kovy not fitting the system? Stop reading the Ranger or any other NHl blog because if you look at the Atlanta- Devils game with him on the Thrashers he wasn’t defending. When he went here he started to play defense more effectively. Kovy less doesn’t make the team better at all. You don’t know or I don’t know if Lou will sign the “big guns” again. When you have a chance to have two potential 40 goal scorers on your team with Marty in goal, we can go far.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 11, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think you read this carefully enough.
He wanted to give White the ‘C’ for one game. The game that Langenbrunner wasn’t going to be playing in.
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by John Fischer on May 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
not that is matters but...
Langenbrunner’s stock just dropped with me after what I read in Rich Chere’s article. He is the team leader. Lemaire was the general, but Langenbrunner was the field general and at times he plays a more important role than the coach. If he had a problem, he should have made an effort to correct it. If he did make that effort and it didn’t improve, he as a leader should then look at the bigger picture and try to follow in the system and do whatever it takes to maintain morale. Once your leadership breaks down and starts bickering with each other, the soldiers lose that stability. It is true at the military level, the corporate level, (where I currently work and lead) and it must be true in the professional sports level. The biggest test of a leader is how he responds to adversity and how he deals with conflicts. I know my opinion is based on only partial information that Rich Chere could gather for his article, but this season the Langenbrunner Captaincy (at least after the Chicago game) = FAIL. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled a Heatley and asked for a trade after July 1st.
So long farewell, auf weidersehen good-bye
by Devil_Hard_Core on May 11, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
some observations..
1. Langs has been captain in NJ under two different coaches, and has publicly declared issues with both BS (heh) and JL. I hate drawing conclusions from small sample sizes, but that’s 2-for-2. What exactly does Jamie need in a coach to keep him happy?
2. If I remember correctly the ’I’m-mad-about-the-healthy-scratch’ dustup was INITIATED by Langs. The vague ‘no comment’s and ’I’ll only talk about hockey, not about THAT’ out of context had us all wondering if his family had been murdered or something. It’s one thing to be angry with your coach after a lack of communication and a healthy scratch. It’s something else entirely to bring up that issue outside the organization unprovoked. I lost a lot of respect for him after we discovered that his 72-hour hissy fit was about being rested for a game at the end of the season.
3. What happens if New Coach DOES come in and strip his ‘C’? How does he react? Does he put his nose to the grindstone like Elias? Or does he pout his way through a contract year in which he turns 34?
4. Anyone remember anything in detail about the old Driver/Stevens captaincy controversy? I didn’t really follow the Devils until 1992-3 so I don’t have much firsthand memory, but it might be educational…
I still don’t understand the Jamie bashing. I don’t see him whining about JL, he is just stating that he disagreed with some things that Lemaire did. I highly doubt that Jamie not being a good captain would be the result of the Devils poor play in the last 4 months of the season. I don’t think Jamie being a bad captain would result in the Devils getting dominated by the Flyers. Those problems go back to the coach not the captain.
Going to the media and talking about it in and of itself comes off as whining. This stuff should be handled internally and should stay there. With Lemaire gone now from a players perspective none of this matters anyway. I don’t mean that it doesn’t matter that he brought it up to the media I mean it doesn’t matter that he didn’t like the decisions the coach made.
Like I said in my post, if he didn’t like the decisions the coach made make the Flyers pay on the ice. Don’t whine about it after the facts. Do you think all past New Jersey Devils players agreed with the way there coach coached the team? I would have to say no however, we very rarely heard about it which is the way it should be. All stuff like this does is cause more strife.
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by thatguy011071 on May 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t mean for that to be crossed out like that, sorry.
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by thatguy011071 on May 12, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This team clearly has a very unhealthy clique in the locker room. This might be one major reason why Lou brought Lemaire back hoping he would be able to solve it. This team needs a shake-up or it’s going nowhere anytime soon. The quote from Colin White is nothing short of cringeworthy.
Yes! Bearhunter, you used the same word I did and I feel the same way about it. It’s definitely not a healthy atmosphere. I sure hope it is recognized by management.
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by thatguy011071 on May 12, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I empathize with Jacques
I was an assistant ice hockey HS coach and I tried to sit our captain for a meaningless game because I thought he needed rest and was underperforming. I wanted it to inspire the team. Instead I got an angry call from his father and after talking to the head coach, who was on sick leave, I relented.
Things weren’t the same and I doubted my decision.
But, Langs is 34 years old. I think he acted like he was 16 and should have respected Jacques.
Sorry, that’s all I have to comment: I feel Langs acted like a teenager. You could respect his media silence, but that silence was deafening. . . and somewhat childish.
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by Cherno77 on May 12, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You could respect his media silence, but that silence was deafening. . . and somewhat childish.
Agreed, however, it’s a double edged sword. If the media asks a question and you “no comment”, then they report how you were pouting and didn’t answer their questions and have something to hide. If you do answer, then you’re whining and it just leads to more questions about issues the public probably shouldn’t be privy to.
It’s a lose/lose situation really, but Jamie should have put his game face on and answered the stupid questions from the stupid media in the same non-committal, generic way every athlete answers questions (seriously, is there a course they all take?).
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
While I agree with you John that this wasn’t the root of the issues the Devils faced in the second half of the season + playoffs, but it sure as hell didn’t help. The captains role is to bring the team up when they need it, not pull them down further.
Perfect examples of a perfect captain: Patrick Marleau and the Honorless Captain Mike Richards.
Marleau was thrown under about 7 consecutive buses following last years playoff flop. The media crapped on him constantly. The fans were screaming for Doug Wilson to trade him. The C was stripped off and given to Rob “I can still play at 60 years” Blake. His reaction? He came back the next year, kicked everyones ass, and had a career year, even leading the Rocket Richard race for a good portion of the year. Look how successful the Sharks are now. No one is doubting that Marleau is the true heart and soul of the team, a true captain.
Richards is the other example. While I hate his ass because of.. well, who he is.. but its the Flyers system, and its what they need. The media also crapped on him all year, challenging his leadership with the whole Pronger thing. Their team goes does 3-0 to the Bruins, and guess who steps up.
That would have been my guess
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by LangsForPres on May 13, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They did get a huge break with the whole Sturm+Krejci out and Gagne in, granted, but you can’t ignore Richards work on that team. He’s their perfect leader. An Honorless Captain.
Agreed. And Briere really stepped up… on offense. He’s still a ghost on defense, but they don’t need him there.
It really was a series of who was hurt less by injuries, and who had the players step up when it was needed. Boston had a lack of scoring depth all year, and in the end I think it helped doom them.
Still, there’s really no excuse to blow a 3-0 series lead, or a 3-0 lead in game 7.
I never liked Philly, but I’ve grown to hate them. I hate them all the more for making me now have to root for Montreal.
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grit wins championships.
When you watch the playoffs the teams that have the most grit and determination advance.Montreal. Philly,San-Jose and Chicago have all showed grit and gone the extra mile. When I saw game 5 in New Jersey I saw a team that was not willing to go the extra mile to win. I do not believe Langenbrunner or Lemaire caused this.
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