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Expect the New Jersey Devils with No-Trade Clauses to Stay Devils for Now

You may not like their contracts. You may not like the players. But get used to seeing Brian Rolston and Jamie Langenbrunner as Devils in 2010-11. (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

A number of the more recent posts discussing potential issues for the New Jersey Devils - like the power play, for example - were written in advance of discussions about the Devils' offseason and transacations.   Today, I'd like to discuss the five New Jersey Devils who have no-trade clauses (NTCs): Jay Pandolfo, Jamie Langenbrunner, Colin White, Brian Rolston, Martin Brodeur as well as a little bit

In lieu of the Devils' elimination of this year's playoffs, there's increasing disgruntlement over Jamie Langenbrunner (I sympathize) in addition to repeating of concerns over Brian Rolston's contract, Colin White being in New Jersey, and Jay Pandolfo's situation.  Whenever I bring up that a player's NTC means that a player isn't being traded, I sometimes get a response about how a NTC can be waived somehow.

This is not something that I'd like Lou to force players to do, if even possible.  Yes, some players do have the right to waive their NTC and do so for various reasons.  However, I think requesting NTCs or NMCs to be waived ultimately hurts the Devils organization.   Moreover, I don't think most of the deals that can be bought out will or even should be bought out by the Devils.  After the jump, I explain the situation with the six Devils with NTCs or NMCs, the purposes of those clauses, why I don't think they will or should get waived, and the potential buyout situation.  From that, the conclusion in the headline should be clear.

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The Devils' NTC and NMC Situation

The New Jersey Devils have six players who have a no-trade clause (NTC) or a no-movement clause (NMC).  The NTC prevents the player from being traded, whereas the NMC forces the player to stay in New Jersey - he can't be sent down to the minors or put on waivers.  I've kept a list of these players on the right side of the front page, but here it is again with the final season of their current contract and their cap hit in parentheses. Numbers come from CapGeek.

  1. Jay Pandolfo - No Trade Clause - UFA after 2010-11 ($2.5 million)
  2. Jamie Langenbrunner - No Trade Clause - UFA after 2010-11 ($2.8 million)
  3. Martin Brodeur- No Trade Clause - UFA after 2011-12 ($5.2 million)
  4. Brian Rolston - No Trade Clause - UFA after 2011-12 ($5.0625 million)
  5. Colin White - No Trade Clause - UFA after 2011-12 ($3.0 million)
  6. Patrik Elias - No Movement Clause - UFA after 2012-13 ($6.0 million)

I don't think anyone minds Brodeur's NTC or Elias' NMC - and if someone does, well, why?  Brodeur remains Brodeur, and there's no reason to believe that Elias should be anywhere but in New Jersey.  Reason to hope he's healthy, sure; but I'd be shocked if anyone seriously argues he shouldn't be a Devil in the future.  For intents and purposes, Brodeur and Elias will definitely be Devils for the remainder of their contracts, and possibly for their careers.

Now, I fully understand why there's unhappiness with Jamie Langenbrunner for his disappearing act in the 2010 playoffs.  I sympathize as to why Jay Pandolfo's contract looks miserable since he got surpassed in terms of role and position as the 2009-10 season goes on.  I agree that Brian Rolston's deal looks worse and worse by the season.   I don't understand why people don't like Colin White, but there's that too.

Yet, they aren't going to go anywhere with the possible exception of Jay Pandolfo's contract being bought out (If Rich Chere brought it up just after the playoffs, then it's not exactly unlikely that it may happen).

Thoughts on What a NTC/NMC Represents

A NTC or NMC is often viewed as some kind of special tag for a player; that Player X is so important to our team as a talent and by his performances that we as an organization will not consider trading or moving him.  That's great, but what it really comes into player are in contract offers.

Pretty much every team in any sport with free agency can offer money to convince a player to sign with them - but some teams also add in clauses like a NTC or a NMC to make their offer stick out.  A team offering a NTC or NMC is offering stability and security for the player on top of guaranteed salary, bonuses, and the opportunity to be with their team for a set period of time. The player - and his agent - sees that as an additional commitment by the suitor; the player can keep their family in a set location for a set period of time with a NTC or NMC; the player does not have to be concerned about receiving a call at some point in the day and learn his whole career just went to another city; an so forth.  Should an organization want a player badly enough, they'll make this commitment; and should a player really want the security more/in addition to the salary, they'll demand one.

Let's go back to July 1, 2008, when Brian Rolston signed with the New Jersey Devils.  Per Tom Gulitti, Rolston's agent was fielding 17 offers for his client's services. Do I know what those other offers were? No, but it's safe to assume that Rolston and his representation felt New Jersey made the best offer.  I'm sure the success of the Devils organization played a role in deciding to go back to New Jersey.  I'm sure Lou's offer of $5 million made it worth Rolston's while, but what put it over the top?  I'd be very surprised if it wasn't the NTC.  

Again, it's an extra commitment that the organization can offer to a free agent in a contract negotiation.

Why NTCs and NMCs Should Be Respected

Assuming the option is there, if a player waived their NTC or NMC, then there must be some sort of internal problem. The player is unhappy enough that he doesn't want to be on a team that he was willing to commit to for a set period of time at the time of signing.   Perhaps the team isn't performing as well as he'd hoped.  Perhaps there is friction between the player and the organization, coach, players, etc.  Perhaps a trade offer to a different team comes along and the player would rather be there instead of whom he signed with.  Basically, I don't see it as a good thing if a player waives his NTC or NMC.

It's even worse if it's made upon request.  Since I believe NTCs and NMCs play their role in contract negotiations, it would be terrible for Lou and the Devils organization if they just start demanding that those clauses are waived.  It would devalue what a NTC or NMC means to the New Jersey organization.  If not from within, then definitely by the outside market. 

Should a contract offer comes, a player and their agents would have every reason to second-guess any offer made by New Jersey that comes with a NTC or NMC.  They wouldn't see it as a commitment, they would see it as just words in a deal.  After all, if it happened to Player X then how is Free Agent Y supposed to believe that the Devils would honor such a clause should something go wrong with Free Agent Y's performance?   This question would be valid even if the Devils just asked a player  To put it succinctly, Lou would be shooting himself in the foot if he goes up to Rolston, White, Pandolfo, or whoever and asks them to waive their various clauses in their contracts.

Nevermind the fact that there's no real reason for any of the six players to waive their NTC or NMC clauses.  What's the benefit for the player to waive their NTC or NMC? Why would any of these players leave an organization where the playoffs have been constant, regular season success has been nearly regular, where their families are settled in northern New Jersey, and, oh yeah, where their money is guaranteed?  If I were in their shoes, I may not be happy about the lack of recent playoff success; but it's not at all a bad place to be in.  Should the Devils want to sell that to potential players to sign, players waiving their NTCs or NMCs would just undercut that, in my opinion.

Ultimately, I don't see the overall benefit of players waiving their NTCs or NMCs - especially by request - outside of that their contracts would get off New Jersey's salary cap.

Update: ILWT user Space Weed raised one additional point that is important regarding NTCs or NMCs that I forgot to initially mention so I'm adding it here:

If there’s a counterpoint to NTCs and NMCs, they can be problematic if the player requests a trade. [For example:] There was the whole Dany Heatley saga where the Sens had a deal in place with Edmonton for Penner, Cogliano and Smid. Instead, Heatley nixed that tradeand went to San Jose, with Ottawa recieving Michalek (and his bad knee), Jonathan Cheechoo and a 2nd round pick (which they traded to the Isles for Andy Sutton). Obviously, it’s not like any of the players will want out of a successful team, and most of the players with NTC/NMCs are long tenured players (Brodeur, Elias, Pandolfo, White, Langs, Rolston kinda counts)

The Buyout Situation

You may be wondering, "OK, John, it's a bad idea for the Devils to request NTCs/NMCs to be waived and highly unlikely that the player would do it on their own.  Can't the Devils just buyout their contracts?"  Well, they could do so for four of the six, but

Among all six of those players, only two of them can't be bought out since they are over 35: Brodeur and Rolston. I don't think anyone wants to see Brodeur bought out, and even if Rolston was under 35, the cap hit after the bought-out years would be significant.  When a player is bought out, there's initial savings on the player's remaining years; but there's a cap hit - a sunk cost - on the same number of years that were bought out after the deal would have normally ended.

CapGeek has a buyout calculator where you can see how a potential buyout would affect the Devils' salary cap.  Immediately, we can see that buying out Colin White or Patrik Elias would leave at least a cap hit of at least million dollars for multiple seasons after their contracts would normally end.  Maybe White would be a better target for a buyout next season, but why throw an extra million away?

Pandolfo (age 35) and Langenbrunner (age 34) are more attractive options for a buyout since they only have one more season on their contracts and the additional cap hit in the second season would be less than a million dollars.  The Devils would free up at least $1.66 million for this offseason should they go through with either buyout.

I highly doubt that Lou would buy out Langenbrunner for what amounts to a bad playoffs - outside of April, he had a very good season.  If he does buy him out, some other NHL team will immediately swoop in, sign him, and Langenbrunner would have the motivation to prove the Devils' made a mistake every time he laces up his skates.  That would be a substantial mistake to make, in my opinion. 

Pandolfo, on the other hand, he's nearly at the end of his career anyway.  He saw less and less penalty killing time as the season went on and when he did get a few games near the end of the season, he didn't make enough of a mark to convince anyone that he deserved more ice time.  Even if another team picks him up, it's not as if he's going to burn the Devils or anyone else for goals, assists, hits, etc.  The Devils have succeeded this season regardless of Pandolfo and so I don't believe he would hurt the Devils were he gone.  If there's going to be anyone bought out, his contract only reasonable option.    By the way, Pandolfo would be able to be bought out since his deal was signed prior to him turning 35. 

For the Most Part, Expect the 5 out of the 6 to Return

At the end of the day, however, there's no good reason for Lou to demand players to waive their NTCs or NMCs as it would weaken the Devils in contract negotiations; I would hope no player is so unhappy that they are willing to waive it to go elsewhere; and among all the contracts, the only one that could be bought out without the player haunting New Jersey in future seasons would be Jay Pandolfo.  Even then, it's not a guarantee that Lou will buy out Pandolfo. There's one more season on his deal anyway, the Devils could just wait it out or dump him to Albany.

I understand you may not be happy with Rolston, Langenbrunner, Pandolfo, or White at this point, but there's no reason to believe that they will waive their clauses or all get bought out or magically disappear.  It's a long offseason for New Jersey and there's plenty to discuss.  However, any serious discussion on what the Devils should do in free agency should be made with the assumption that, at a minimum, Rolston, Langenbrunner, White, Brodeur, and Elias are going to be wearing Devils red in 2010-11.  You may not like it, but that's the reality of the situation.

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If there’s a counterpoint to NTCs and NMCs, they can be problematic if the player requests a trade. There was the whole Dany Heatley saga where the Sens had a deal in place with Edmonton for Penner, Cogliano and Smid. Instead, Heatley nixed that trade and went to San Jose, with Ottawa recieving Michalek (and his bad knee), Jonathan Cheechoo and a 2nd round pick (which they traded to the Isles for Andy Sutton). Obviously, it’s not like any of the players will want out of a successful team, and most of the players with NTC/NMCs are long tenured players (Brodeur, Elias, Pandolfo, White, Langs, Rolston kinda counts)

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent point. Let me go add it to the post.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fine with Langs. I didn’t understand all the fuss about him not playing well at the end of the season. Parise and Zajac went through slumps and no one talked about getting rid of them.

I also don’t have a problem with White and I’ve come to terms with having Rolston on this team. I still think Rolston can produce if you give him a center. Pando would be a good 4th line guy but could easily be replaced. I wouldn’t mind buying him out. He could also retire.

by C.J. Richey on May 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem they have with Langs is....

not that he didnt play well, he looked lost. He didnt look like the captain of the team. I am a huge fan of him, but when your the captain of your team you do not let them fold up like the Devils did against the Flyers. I would like to keep him around but give the C to Parise because after this year Langs likely wont be back and Parise will be the leader of the team. Everyone goes through a slump but Langs didnt look like the leader he can be.

by TheDudeAbides9 on May 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

pandolfo

it think it was in a larry brooks article in read in the ny post, but the impression i have is that in order to waive pandolfo to the AHL (at which point his salary would no longer count against the cap) pandolfo would have to remain on the roster all summer, until the season began…after that he could be waived, demoted to the AHL unless claimed, and he would not longer have a cap hit count against the devils…the disadvantage to that of course, is that lou couldn’t use that 2.5 million this summery to use for any free agents or to otherwise use as salaries to improve the team…what lou could do, of course, is to have pandolfo on the opening night roster and then demote him and when and if lou makes a trade deadline deal the way he did this year and other years, the cap space is already there since the veteran acquired in a trade would have his remaining salary pro rated and would likely fit with in pandolfo’s cap space…but that means the money couldn’t be used this summer, unless pando was bought out the way that john described in the article, not kept on the roster and subsequently waived to the AHL

by don in central jersey on May 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If I understand the cap rules correctly, teams are allowed to be over the cap somewhat during the summer — I know the margin was 10% for a while, not sure if it is still the same or has changed. Teams are required to be at or below the cap number come opening night.

Sure, that means Pandolfo’s $2.5 million will hinder the team, but not quite as much as it would seem. If the plan is to bury him in the minors come the start of the season, Lou can simply plan as if the number won’t be there and spend a little over the cap…. presuming of course that the owners don’t hold him to a lower number.

by acasser on May 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s 10%. Here’s what NHLSCAP has:

In addition, from July 1 to the last day of training camp, teams may exceed the Upper Limit by no more than 10%. For 2008-09, the absolute highest teams can go during the offseason (from July 1 to the end of training camp) is $62.37 million. Players who finished the prior season on LTIR are excluded for the purpose of offseason calculations.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as oneself is concerned, I don't have a problem with.....

Brodeur, Elias, and White. Langenbrunner is on my sh%t list becasue of his attitude torwards the end of the season. Like you said John, He played well during the first part of the season before the olympics. After that, his whole aura changed. We have already been over the character of changes in Langenbrunner’s personality in previous ILWT posts, so I won’t go in to all of that. I honestly don’t think that his problem is due to lack of talent, however, I do think that an explanation to the fans is reqiured. I don’t think that forcing him to waive his NTC is a good idea either. I feel the same way about White. Rolston, I like him but, lets face it, his playing abilities are deteriorating. Time to go. Mattou and Neidimeyer? Time to go.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolston, I like him but, lets face it, his playing abilities are deteriorating. Time to go.

Congratulations, you missed one of the main points of this post!

1) He’s over 35 and his contract is designated as such. He can’t be bought out. Nor can he retire or be sent down to drop the cap hit. That $5 million is staying on the cap.
2) One of the main points of this post is how NTCs should be respected and how they shouldn’t be waived. Likewise, there’s no reason for these players to want to waive it anyway.

There is no “Time to go.” Rolston’s here. Deal with it.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m still wondering why Lou gave him that much money for that much time to begin with…seems unlike him…he’s even a burden on my NHL ’10 franchise haha

by eeberlew7 on May 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I eluded to it, but I suppose I’ll be direct. Remember this part of the post?

Let’s go back to July 1, 2008, when Brian Rolston signed with the New Jersey Devils. Per Tom Gulitti, Rolston’s agent was fielding 17 offers for his client’s services. Do I know what those other offers were? No, but it’s safe to assume that Rolston and his representation felt New Jersey made the best offer. I’m sure the success of the Devils organization played a role in deciding to go back to New Jersey. I’m sure Lou’s offer of $5 million made it worth Rolston’s while, but what put it over the top? I’d be very surprised if it wasn’t the NTC.

Rolston went into that 2008 offseason as a guy who put up 30+ goals in his last three years in Minnesota. While he wasn’t getting any younger, he was still mobile, still had an excellent slap shot, and the production spoke for itself. So he commanded a lot of attention from teams when he became a UFA. To get such a popular UFA, you have to over-pay in terms of salary and other commitments (the NTC) to at least get the inside track. Yes, the UFA ultimately decides for himself; but the offer has to be worth his while to consider your team.

So, for Lou to get Rolston, he had to over-pay. The signing made sense then: Get a scoring winger who’s been consistently productive – again 30+ goals is desirable for most wingers – in his last three seasons. If that means paying a little more, than fine, provided he keep up the production.

Unfortunately, as we now know, various situations – ultimately his performance – relegated him to mostly being on the third line instead of a scoring line across two coaches and his production has never justified the money.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and his free agent class didn’t feature alot of high-end talent at forward. Outside of Hossa and Sundin (even though he spent like 9 months before signing with Vancouver), there weren’t alot of great forwards (Save Demitra, if he could stay healthy). At the time Lou did the right thing, it just turned out that Rolston lost a step somewhere whether it be Sutter, his injury or not being able to handle a big contract (The $5.25 mil he recieved in 08-09 was actually his highest salary).

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 2, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

John. I did honor your points you made in your post.
Yet, they aren’t going to go anywhere with the possible exception of Jay Pandolfo’s contract being bought out…
I understand you may not be happy with Rolston, Langenbrunner, Pandolfo, or White at this point, but there’s no reason to believe that they will waive their clauses or all get bought out or magically disappear. It’s a long offseason for New Jersey and there’s plenty to discuss. However, any serious discussion on what the Devils should do in free agency should be made with the assumption that, at a minimum, Rolston, Langenbrunner, White, Brodeur, and Elias are going to be wearing Devils red in 2010-11. You may not like it, but that’s the reality of the situation.

I understand the circumstances surrounding Rolston’s contract and that the Devils are pretty much “stuck” with him. I still think that if the Devils find a way to unload his contract then they should do so. I thought, as a fan, I was entitled to do that.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

Wouldn’t it have been wiser to give him the money but sign him to a lesser amount of years? If the Devils do find a way to move Rolston’s contract, do you think that they should?

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In retrospect, sure, a shorter deal or less money would have made sense. Would Rolston have signed with NJ then? Maybe, maybe not.

If the Devils do find a way to move Rolston’s contract, do you think that they should?

I would absolutely love to hear how this can be done after I just went to great lengths to point out how unlikely it would be for Rolston to waive his NTC and that it would be detrimental to request anyone to waive their NTC.

I’ll wait.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

But Lou described this team as a “win now” team. Apparently, if some of theses players return next year, my view will be that it is not. Maybe the moves that the Devils make during the offseason will change my attitude. Not only will new personnel have to bring thier own skill to the table; they will also have to compensate for the skill that some players will not be bringing to the table. As for the present make-up of this team, I don’t see a Stanley Cup coming in the next two years, but I’d be happy if this team (or pending 2010-11 team for that matter) proves me wrong.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Lou described this team as a "win now" team. Apparently, if some of theses players return next year, my view will be that it is not.

That’s your prerogative.

You still haven’t told me how Rolston’s going to be moved.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy big fella.

Personally I’d like to see him sent to Lowell and someone from Lowell getting NHL experience in his stead. Would send a message that even making $5 mil doesn’t make you exempt from sucking.

by Doctor Smack on May 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. It would send a message, that’s for sure (assuming he goes through waivers and actually reports). The problem is that instead of Rolston not playing up to his $5 million, it’s $5 million providing nothing to the Devils still sitting on the cap. They should probably scratch him a few games first, at least.

I’m not arguing Rolston is earning his money, but less than expected is a lot better than nothing at all.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe his salary would still be apart of the cap (I think it’s like a 200k deduction or something small) if he gets sent down to Lowell (or Albany maybe); Even though many if not all agree Rolston isn’t performing up to his 5mil/yr contract, the best option on what to do with Rolston is keeping him on the Devils roster (scratched or not).

If the NTC is even waived, what team would take him with that big of a cap hit? Not many. What would a team give up for him? An extremely late draft pick? A prospect with no potential? Another player not playing to his ability with a huge contract? If the Devils even wanted something better, they would have to throw some draft picks/prospects/players on top of Rolston. These don’t sound very good to me (yet if any GM could do it and make it work, Lou could). The best option for the Devils is Rolston staying with the organization the next 2 seasons. Everyone deal with it…

by Matthew Ventolo on May 2, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said I had a plan to do so.

Part of what this discussion involves is how to make this team competitive while utilizing its’ current elements. There are areas that definitely need improvement and it seems that the NTC/NMC is serving more in crippling this team, as opposed to; preserving its’ competitive prowess. It is beyond reason why a GM would sign a player; for so many years; for so much money at this stage in his career. Of course Rolston won’t waive his NTC/NMC, he’d be a fool to do so. I can only reason that this contract has nothing to do with to with his level of play but maybe some other reason(s) that I am unaware of. I hope Lou knows what hes’ doing.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 9:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

1) This post was and remains about why Devils fans should fully expect the guys with NTCs or NMCs in their contracts to stay as Devils for the time being. This isn’t a discussion about how to make a team that finished 2nd in the Eastern Conference competitive.

2) It is not beyond reason why a GM would sign a player (presuming you mean Rolston); for some reason; for so many years; for so much money at this stage in his career. I explained it right in this very comment thread in this very post.

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

rolston wasnt that bad this year.specifically on special team units.

by Imperator_Celtic on May 3, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only two I think are real candidates to not be here next season are Pandolfo and Langenbrunner.

Pandolfo is an ideal candidate to be moved if another team wants interest, because I can’t see him having much of a role with this team. If given the choice of accepting a trade or being buried in Lowell, I imagine he’d be willing to move to a handful of teams, many of whom wouldn’t have to give up much except for taking on his contract.

Langenbrunner has some value to other teams on the trade market, I’m sure. He is still reasonably productive, can play in all situations, and other teams might want his veteran leadership and experience. If he wants to go, I’m sure Lou will work to make that happen…. though whether or not he wants out is a different question. This might be a situation where it comes down to the coach.

As for the others…. Brodeur and Elias aren’t going anywhere, Rolston’s age makes it difficult to move him unless you’re taking a bad contract in return, and White isn’t the player he was before his eye injury…. doubt a team will take on his deal without the Devils taking back some damaged goods. I’m not happy about Rolston sticking around given his albatross of a contract, but I can live with the rest.

by acasser on May 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

You do realize that the majority of this post is how none of the Devils with NTCs will be likely traded due to the nature of the NTC and how there is more damage from a NTC being waived than one may think, right?

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t consider a NTC/NMC an absolute impediment to trading a guy. I agree it is unlikely, but circumstances dictate it can happen. It just gives the player considerable control over where he goes and where he doesn’t.

I don’t think Lou even attempts to move either Langenbrunner or Pandolfo unless they ask for a trade — and thus restore some leverage to the team. Pandolfo might feel out other teams if he’s told there isn’t a role for him on the Devils next season. Langenbrunner might want out given how this season ended and who the next coach is…. especially if the captaincy is taken from him.

It’s nothing more than speculation on my part, but I don’t think those two not being back next season is so farfetched.

by acasser on May 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone on the NTC/NMC list are staying....sadly expect Pandolfo

Marty and Elias will be Devils until they retire; White is arguably our best physical defensive defensemen, and his 3mil/yr is easily justifiable.

Rolston may not deserve 5mil/yr, but I feel his stats get hurt when playing with Clarkson and Nieder most of the time, and b/c of the 35+ contract, he can’t be bought out and even if his NTC gets waived, no team will pick that contract willingly unless the Devils plan to give up a lot more and get in return a lot less, thus IMO keeping him is the best option.

Did Jamie have a horrendous playoff, had the locker room on eggshells, and didn’t play the role of captain at the end of the season? YUP! But, players have slumps, and his happened at the wrong time; he may or may not have had a problem with Lemaire (who is now retired and should not be a issue anymore); he still put up 61 points (19G-42A), which is 2nd most in his career behind last years 29-40-69 performance; and he is still the captain of the 2 time defending division champs and of the Silver Medal winning Team USA. He’s only making 2.8mil/yr and I feel (that will all the trouble that he was involved in at the end of the season) is well worth it.

As for Pando, it’s safe to say something is going to happen this off-season. He speed has diminished, and if youth is going to take over most of the 3rd and 4th lines, this may have been his last season with the Devils. His 2.5mil/yr isn’t much, and I 100% agree that buying out Pando’s contract would be worth it (last paragraph in the Buyout section). His skill is easily replaceable, and there are plenty of veterans in the locker room for the young guys.

by Matthew Ventolo on May 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolston was a mistake when the contract was signed. With the way the cap works there are very few 35 and over players I would offer more than one or two years to. Essentially its the length of the contract that has always been the issue for me. Even if Rolston justified the contract for a year or two (he hasn’t), inevitably he was going to decline and not live up to it. I also think it was unneccessary since Langs can play the point on the power play. Furthermore if one of the main reasons for signing Rolston was to beef up the PP why didn’t we spend the money on an offensive defenseman. Honestly I’d prefer a $5 million contract for Souray instead of Rolston. So basically only two more years of yelling at him…

Pando is an unfortunate situation, that injury last year I think really sped up his decline and a buyout looks like a possibility.

No complaints on Brodeur, Elias, White, and Langenbrunner. I could see the potential for Langs to waive the NTC and get traded but I doubt it, he’ll be back and still be the captain.

by drhgzang on May 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Good for the organization?

So basically what this article says is that it’s not good for the organization to waive NTC/NMC, which is understandable, but losing three straight first round playoff series to lower seeds AT HOME in your new arena and likely lowering the payroll for next year and possibly losing your acquired superstar isn’t? Okay…whatever. I see how things are run I suppose. Maybe the whole ‘winning’ thing isn’t the primary concern after all.

There’s no reason for Pandolfo to return, White/Rolston will be back no doubt, I won’t even make an arguement to move them, they won’t go. I think Jamie might accept the right deal, especially if it gets him elite playing time, because Lou has to make him realize that after his playoff performance, the “C” comes off next year, and he won’t be on the first line, maybe not even a top six forward, but we’ll see.

by DownGoesAvery on May 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

So basically what this article says is that it’s not good for the organization to waive NTC/NMC, which is understandable, but losing three straight first round playoff series to lower seeds AT HOME in your new arena and likely lowering the payroll for next year and possibly losing your acquired superstar isn’t? Okay…whatever. I see how things are run I suppose.

Can someone explain to me where I argued that losing = good in this post?

You got a main point of this post and manage to project something else entirely on top of it. Good job?

I think Jamie might accept the right deal, especially if it gets him elite playing time, because Lou has to make him realize that after his playoff performance, the "C" comes off next year, and he won’t be on the first line, maybe not even a top six forward, but we’ll see.

I guess you didn’t get the main point of my post. There’s not going to be “the right deal.” If he’s not even a top six forward, why would a team want to go after him? Especially with a NTC?

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by John Fischer on May 2, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is with the attitude?

by pepe22 on May 3, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The attitude

comes from him spending what was probably several hours on a well-written, informative post that explains at length why our NTC/NMC players will not be moving and should not move… and 90% of readers who have commented missed the whole damn point. I can imagine John’s frustration after responding to the sixth “Rolston needs to go” comment, when he’s already explained why Rolston will not/cannot/should not move.

If Andrew Peters ever plays again it will be too soon.

by LangsForPres on May 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this is pretty much it. I will concede that a great way to irritate a blogger, a journalist, a writer, or anyone really is to not even try to understand the point. It isn’t as if I was being obtuse or anything – the main points are quite direct.

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by John Fischer on May 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m not disputing one bit how much work you put into this, but the tone of this thread puts me off, and I think with your eloquence you could put it another way without making those of us that do understand it feel like your talking down to people.

by pepe22 on May 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry that you don’t like the tone. I’m sorry that I don’t always have the patience or the eloquence to respond to comments that assert things that I didn’t say or completely miss the point of the post that someone who actually read it. All I can offer you for comfort just like Brian Rolston’s situation. It is what it is and it ain’t changing. Deal with it.

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by John Fischer on May 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you are saying is...

Those fans who want a change in the aforementioned areas are suddenly supposed to magically change thier minds because it has been posted that is more likely that the players that we want gone will stay, as opposed to; leaving or being moved?

I have inferred from the “90% of the readers who have commented” that they (myself included)understand that these players aren’t going anywhere, however if the possiblity arises where one (or more) of these players can be moved, however improbable it may be, then Lou should do what he can to make that possibility a reality without crippling the team.

We can also confirm, from the dialogue that this post and the comments that follow, that: The lack of conformity on the Rolston, White, Pandolfo, and the precesnse of other players reveals (at least for now) that there is a substantial number of Devils fans who want certain players out (in relation to those who oppose) so that the team can better improve itself and get past the first round of the playoffs.

The regular season standings are good but as many players, managers, media commentors and fans have stated; the season starts over again in the playoffs. Many of us are inclined to believe that this is not a playoff built team as long as some, or all, of the factors mentioned in this post remain in place.

Yes, we may have digressed from the topic in this way, but I don’t see the harm in voicing our discontent (and steps that can be taken to relieve this discontent) over a state of affairs that we are unhappy with.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you John’s Lawyer

by pepe22 on May 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just goes to show that the truth is often stranger than fiction.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 2, 2010 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kasparitis

The Rangers a few years back did this thing with Darius Kasparitis in order to get his salary not count against the cap. I believe the way it works is that if you are entering the last year of your contract and are sent down to minor for the entire season, your salary does not count against the cap. My guess is that the only person that this will not work for in the future is Elias since he has the NMC. I wonder if the Devils could put Pandolfo down in minors and not worry about having to waive him, although I’m not sure a lot of teams would be interested in him if they did.

Unless someone retires or gets traded, I don’t expect anyone else to be gone. However, since no one will want Langenbrunner, Rolston, Pandolfo, or White this offseason, I think the only two players left at Brodeur and Elias. Brodeur won’t be traded unless it is to Montreal and that would only happen if it was the last year of his career and the Devils weren’t making the playoffs, like Ray Borque. Elias could be traded, but he’s not exactly the player a lot of teams are looking for in trying to build a team since he is on the older side now and comes with a large cap hit.

by NJPenguins08 on May 3, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Significant Changes?

Well Lou (I love how everyone calls him that, like we are so tight with him that last names are not needed. In reality I don’t want to butcher the spelling of his last name, LoL) mentioned significant changes. Now with Jay Pandolfo the best candidate, who is likely to moved this off season? Are the ones mentioned here the only NTC’s on the team?

With all due respect to the current D, I just can’t help myself but compare it to the crop that one the last Stanley Cup. That’s the bar. It may be unfair since that was a special group but it is difficult to not do that. Having said that, I hope we get some young blood in there for next season.

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by thatguy011071 on May 3, 2010 5:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Langenbrunner

Why is everyone attacking him harshly for? Or why would you want to get rid of him? Yeah he was bad the end of the year and playoffs, that stuff happens. No one was scoring in the playoffs, Parise (1), Elias (0), Kovalchuk (2) one empty netter, that is why we lost remember.

We have a guy we are paying almost nothing considering his talent and what her has done. The Two Cups, and he could have won the Conn Smythe both years for his performances and (12) game-winning career playoff goals most teams would love to have him at 2.8 million a year. He is a valuable player to have, and he helps out people who play on his line. Somehow the whole playoffs fell on the captain. He holds more responsibility yes, but he was not the reason they lost in the first round this year, and last year he was hurt in the first round.

People here have very short memories, it is hard to win it all, and to be able to win three, and go to a fourth final, almost a fifth in 94. I feel blessed that my team is this good. Yeah the playoffs sucked but I will be there again in October whoever is on the team.

by Padraic Jenkins on May 3, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Hear, Hear!

If Andrew Peters ever plays again it will be too soon.

by LangsForPres on May 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s well worth what the Devils are paying him. He still put up 61 points (19G-42A), which is 2nd most in his career behind last years 29-40-69 performance.

by Matthew Ventolo on May 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is absolutely right.

The whole reason why my overviews on the defense, the PP, the PK, etc. are focused more on the reg. season is because that is where value is best seen.

 The Devils as a whole sucked on offense, but that doesn’t mean the forwards necessarily have to be blown up for improvement. That includes Langenbrunner.

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by John Fischer on May 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the criticism stems from the apparent lack of leadership qualities displayed toward the end of the year and into the playoffs.

When times are tough a leader steps up, takes the heat and does what needs to be done to get the team going. Jamie disappeared after the Olympics, had a semi-public feud with the media and his coach and was unable or unwilling to get his teammates motivated for the playoffs.

Pay scale, resume and previous contributions considered, he hasn’t been displaying leader-like qualities and the team hasn’t been producing when it matters most under his guidance.

Personally, I like him and I liked him as Captain, but it might be time for some someone else to don the C.

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by elesias on May 3, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

that Langs needs to step down as Captain. Zach or Zajac as captain?

by czman007 on May 3, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sold on either, honestly.

Many seem to think Parise is next in line, and he’s got the fire and the ability to lead by example, but there’s more to being a Captain. He’s being groomed for it, but it’ll be up to the next coach to judge whether he’s ready or not.

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by elesias on May 3, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

any ideal choices then?

Who do you think would fit the bill, that we currently have, if not Langs.

by czman007 on May 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brodeur. Luongo is the Canucks Captain. If it’s OK for them, why not us? You couldn’t ask for someone better as far as leading by example.

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by FrankG929 on May 6, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Headline should read

Expect the unexpected.

We did send Shanahan packing during camp. Losing Rafalski and Gionta during a summer came as a shock. I wouldn’t count anything out as far as Lou is concerned.

I don’t think any fans would have predicted the Devils lackluster (to be generous), performance (to be generous) this spring, nor the fact that the Capitals were eliminated.

That’s the thing with sports, you can analyze, over analyze and analyze some more, look at numbers and try to logically make sense of it all, but when it comes down to it, you need players and team personnel to perform.

by czman007 on May 3, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

If the unexpected is expected, then it isn’t unexpected.

Of course, I see your larger point – there isn’t any clear indication as to what will actually happen. While I personally wasn’t shocked by Gomez or Rafalski signing big contracts elsewhere, it did for others – that’s fair.

But without analysis, how can we be confident in what we want to see going forward? A team like the Capitals doesn’t really need to be blown up, just a few tweaks, and they’re good to go. We may find the same conclusion for New Jersey regardless of how miserable we felt about the team. Yes, the playoffs are crucial but contracts aren’t signed, tactics aren’t developed, and the nature of the team aren’t all developed instantly or months in advance. We can only know how the players perform.

In any case, the whole point of this post was to identify who will definitely be around for 2010-11. Pandolfo is the only exception since there’s a real possibility of a buyout and a buyout would make some sense at this juncture.

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by John Fischer on May 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do understand the need to analyze.

I would like to see Pando go, but as I stated I wouldn’t be surprised if something unforseen happens this summer. Trade, or otherwise.

by czman007 on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Langenbrunner is being roasted here for his Horrible playoff performance. The “C” appears to be killing Langenbrunner. I say take it away from him and give it too Parise. I bet Langenbrunners game would improve because of it.

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by thatguy011071 on May 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I want Langy to stay.

Its just wierd how the personnel issues among fans who root for the same team can be so polarizing.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of whether he stays or goes. I want to win a cup. If that takes Langenbrunner being traded then so be it. It’s not one player, its the team.

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by thatguy011071 on May 3, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Langy

I’m not up to snuff on all the details surrounding the Langenbrunner debacle this year. But it would be nice if he could step up much like he did in the 2003 postseason.

by czman007 on May 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not up to snuff on all the details surrounding the Langenbrunner debacle this year

You and 40,000 other fans

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by FrankG929 on May 6, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It worked for Elias, it should probably for Langs

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