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A Few Words about the Recent Posts at ILWT & an Open Thread for Suggestions and Hockey Talk

I’m going to be out for the evening, yelling at people representing Columbus, Ohio in professional soccer. In lieu of, say, Paul Martin’s on-ice impact in 2007-08, the first season he was leading defenseman on New Jersey or a look at Ilya Kovalchuk’s on-ice impact from this past season; I’m going to indulge in some navel-gazing. Don't worry, it's just for tonight.

If that doesn’t interest you, take a look at SB Nation’s coverage of the USHL Futures Draft. Why? Given the growth of the USHL in terms of quantity and quality, more and more USHL graduates are appearing in the NHL. It is the United States’ Tier 1 Junior league, after all. Plus, if you go to Western College Hockey Blog, you can get even more about the USHL entry draft including profiles on the newest organizations in the league. For all you know, the New Jersey Devils of a few years from now could very well include some of these players. As they used to say, keep on scrolling.

Also, please feel free to use this post for an open-ish thread. Talk about tonight's Eastern Conference Final Game 3; hopefully, Montreal can stop suffering from all the bounces finally going against them and beat the Flyers. Please also use the comments to make suggestions on what you want to see on In Lou We Trust in coming weeks, in addition to responding to the following dollop of navel-gazing writing. Maybe there's something you're interested in. Maybe you'd like to see something different (content? a new writer?) Maybe there's something you asked and I stupidly forgot it or didn't go all the way through it. I can't read your mind, so please tell me what's on it with respect to this site.

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Over the past few weeks, I’ve written at length about the team’s performance and focused on a few players utilizing a few advanced statistics. Stats that aren’t in the mainstream but have been developed and compiled by people far more insightful and knowledgeable about the game and its trends. Thanks to the work of people like Gabe Desjardens (Behind the Net, and of course, his blog), Vic Ferrari of Time on Ice, everyone at Puck Prospectus, and so many others, I’ve been able to take closer, deeper analysis of the team.

While I’ve made a point of it to state what it was I was looking for and how I accomplished what I found, I never really explained why. Part of it has to do with my educational background; I graduated from Rutgers University with a B.S. and a M.S. in Industrial & Systems Engineering. Much of my course work focused on probability, optimization, quality functions, and most of all, statistical analysis. So I’m already inclined to look at stats, especially after being submerged with simple and complex techniques alike for 6 years. That said, I forgot a lot of those techniques and/or no longer have the capability to do them – so I’m not going to be able to bust out a correlation analysis with ANOVA and variable analysis and the whole 9 yards. So please don’t ask.

The main reason of it has to do trying to understand why the Devils or a player succeeded or failed. Something every Devil fan on a train platform, in their car, at home, on the phone, on the Internet, etc. discusses after a game. It’s not so much an issue of what we see is automatically wrong or misguided; but a stat is powerful in describing performance to someone who hasn’t seen the team or player perform.

For example, you can tell me that Zach Parise is a hard worker, and I’d agree with that – but there isn’t any evidence to show Hypothetical Person C who hasn’t seen Parise or doesn’t like Parise or doesn’t know much about hockey that Parise is a hard worker. A lot of the work and study into advanced statistics, in my opinion, is really to figure out the answer to why and how a team/player truly performed without the confirmation bias from what we see. Many, if not all, of the stats are flawed in some way or form. There's no perfect stat for goaltending, defending, offensive contribution, and so forth. It’s therefore very important to understand what each stat is and what it is not.

However, with multiple advanced stats, we can get an more complete picture of how good a player really was in a season, or how good a team was over a set period of time. Just to continue the example, if we find that in 2009-10 Parise (just to continue the example) had a positive effect on most of his teammate’s Corsi percentage, he had a high total GVT among forwards, and his on-ice impact was largely beneficial (coming soon?) – then it would suggest that Parise is an exceptional player and he accomplishes all of this by hard work and his talent.

Yes, it’s a lot of work to follow at times, much less put together; and I fully understand that micro-stats are rarely going to come up in conversation. That’s why the blogging medium is so great. We can take the time to do the research and present the numbers with charts, graphs, links that reference methods or other evidence, and then discuss it immediately.

Just going through the numbers at Behind the Net, organizing them to see where a player ranks is illuminating to me first. Most of the time, my intent was never to go through a stat just to say, "This method shows X about a player and therefore what you know about the player is wrong, wrong, wrong." I’m definitely not trying to come across as some kind of know-it-all. Often, I find my own predispositions were wrong when I do this sort of analysis. Take the Kovalchuk GVT post from yesterday for example. By defensive GVT, there is proof that he’s not a defensive liability – I never thought he was a total waste but not all that good either. Yet, it blew my mind that not only Kovalchuk actually contributed on defense, but did so better than players who may not have that rep (and led to an easy, attention-grabbing title).

If I come across that way, I sincerely apologize; that’s definitely not my goal - especially when I'm looking to see if I'm right or wrong to begin with. Similarly, when I ask for evidence of a claim in a comment or in a FanPost or whatever, I'm not trying to be confrontational or mean. I want to know what basis backs up what people say about a player or a team. If you think Kovalchuk is selfish, then I want to know why that is - especially in light of his assists, his very good on-ice shooting percentage from season to season, etc. That's all. No beef. No animosity. No insults. I just want to know more.

I do realize that not everyone may embrace the numbers or how I look at them. I do realize that they can often be sobering, sometimes I’m forced accept the harsh reality around a team’s performance – regardless of how I feel about it. For example, you and I can grouse about how the Devils lost to the Flyers all we want, but there’s not a player or a coach or a philosophy or a shake up that’s going to turn a 2.6% shooting percentage at even strength into the expected percentage of 6%. If there was, the team that figures it out first will undergo a dynasty like we’d never seen before; and would never in a million years share the secret if they were smart. That sometimes the reality is that it was bad luck, or rather, the team just didn’t get the bounces. (Aside: That’s the other mind-blowing strand about this, some of the clichés you hear among hockey players, coaches, management, and talking heads are actually provable.)

So this is where I’m coming from with all of the statistical analysis as of late. Admittedly, I’m still learning (catching up?) to how some of the stats work, how to utilize them, and what they largely say. I like to post up the results of something I found Devils-wise with them because A) it can give some insight into performance, B) it can advise us on what we should hope the Devils do or not do, and C) I just find it quite interesting and perhaps interesting for you. I’m also still planning to do some smaller projects – e.g. reviewing every goal Martin Brodeur gave up in this past season like I did here and here, maybe next week I’ll start that? – that may not be based on numbers but could easily provide insight into performance. Again, the main goal is to make stronger conclusions on what we think about how the Devils should go about being a successful hockey team.

It’s definitely not all perfect, I’m certainly not perfect, I’m not going to throw away all emotion, and I’m willing to learn whether or not something is clear, done correctly, or the method can be improved upon. It can be time consuming, as putting all of those charts and conclusions together takes as much if not more time than putting numbers together. I think it’s worth it if only because of what knowledge could be gained.

Hopefully this explains at least to some degree how I’ve operated as of late. I think some of you already know this (and I’m very heartened by the fact that others do see where I've been coming from), making this navel-gazing sort of pointless; but it may be useful for others. As always, thank you for reading.

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Not asking but instead an offer: if you ever want correlations, ANOVAs, regressions, or something more complicated run I have all the tools necessary since Im a social psychologist. I actually think a regression model predicting team success using the advanced stats as predictors might be something really interesting. I did something similar with a factor analysis on the traditional stats and found some interesting things.

by drhgzang on May 20, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok John, Fellas here it is...
I am new to ILWT. Since joining, I must say that I have liked a lot of what I have read and seen so far. I have both disagreed and agreed with some things. Most of the time my conclusions are based on what I have seen, and some of the time; based on what I have read.

The nagging problem that I have presents itself when I come across a post that uses terms, and systems of analysis, such as "advanced statistics" and "confirmation and observation bias." John often uses these types of terms and systems to facilitate an analysis to its conclusion regarding the intangible of a player that is currently the topic of discussion in the ILWT forum.

Now, I will admit that the bulk of the responsibility falls on me to learn what I need to know in order to produce valid, productive arguments and refrain from making "asinine" comments but some of the terms that I come across in an ILWT post are not made available by traditional sources. So, I can understand tmp1281 frustrations and somtimes I want to say things that could be regarded as an attack but I refrain from doing so because that is not going to get me what I want. However, sometimes I will make a comment after really trying to understand what the topic of discussion is about and I’ll get a response from John that leaves me scratching my head and wondering if my contribution made him angry.

Dispite my frustations at times, I still respect John and his knowledge of the game, as well as; his ability to breakdown all relevant data. I also respect the competence and feedback of many of the regular commenters as well; particularly: elesias, drhgzang and a few others. I think this is a great blog and if I am going to learn more about the game of hockey then this is the blog that I want to use to learn. I just don’t want to be discouraged from asking questions that will help me get the level of understanding that you guys have acheived.

Posted in the last post.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you Derek Zona

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most bloggers aren’t going to dismiss you for not understanding concepts. John’s stated in previous discussions he’s willing to explain some of the advanced stats to you

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 20, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He already has explained and helped me to understand some things.

It is why I am puzzeled when I get a response that I may take for something other then what it really is. At this point, I still read but choose to stay out of certain discussions to avoid irritating anyone with my ignorance. When I read comments from the last post and comments between John & tmp1281 , I thought I should just put everything on the table, make my position clear and use you guys as a sounding board.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and believe me, I am grateful for the help.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK.

I am only really irritated by two types of comments:

1) Those that blatantly break the rules, especially in spite of warnings, meaning I have to put in the small effort of removing and disciplining.

2) Those who continue to comment without even giving the proper respect to others to even read the post/other comments and just assume how they feel.

This is true for, well, most bloggers. Me, Gulitti, Chere, etc. We put in the effort to write something we think is worth reading and discussing, if you want to disagree or criticize fine, but put some effort into it.

That said: I have no personal beef with anyone.

Let me repeat that: I have no personal beef with anyone. There is 0 reason to believe that

If I make a short, terse comment in response to a comment, it’s usually because, for once, I can be terse about what it is I’m asking. I assure you, if I was angry, I would make it incredibly obvious in writing it.

So relax. I’m not mad. If you don’t know something, just say so and I’ll try to make it clearer. If you don’t want to publicly say so, then e-mail me. I’m not hard to reach.

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by John Fischer on May 20, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off,

I’m also still planning to do some smaller projects – e.g. reviewing every goal Martin Brodeur gave up in this past season like I did here and here, maybe next week I’ll start that?

Smaller project? That’s 168 goals.

Second,
I don’t have a problem with numbers posts. I think the past few weeks there have been so many that people’s minds can’t handle it. Atleast mine can’t, I’m more a visual person I’d much rather break down video than look through stats. But generally I find them pretty informing and I applaud you for being able to go through all those numbers.

Third,
A look at the UFA centers could be a good post considering we are in need of some centers. Also maybe a post on the Devils options in the draft. An in depth David Clarkson post would be interesting too.

by C.J.Richey121 on May 20, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 on the second point.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s actually only 150 regular season goals - I took care of the 18 allowed in February here.

It’s really a smaller project because I can break it up, go month by month, and ultimately it’s a case where I’m spending more time watching the NHL.com’s ads in the video (they’re free to view so bills got to get paid somehow) than the actual goal against. It’s usually pretty easy to figure out how the puck went in, whether Brodeur could have stopped it, etc.

A look at the UFA centers could be a good post considering we are in need of some centers. Also maybe a post on the Devils options in the draft. An in depth David Clarkson post would be interesting too.

Ah, you’ve been reading my mind. Once I get through Kovalchuk and the goals against, I’ll be looking at centers and possible draft picks concurrently. It’s difficult to project out who may be available at #38 but I can inquire.

David Clarkson is now on the list of players to have a closer look at. As a RFA, he warrants attention.

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by John Fischer on May 21, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Judging from Lou’s comments, I really think he is going to replace Neidermayer and McAmmond with Henrique and Josefson.

Obviously it will depend on whether we sign Kovy or not. If we do, we’re not going to have a lot left over to sign a center. If we don’t then we should have plenty of money to sign a 1st or 2nd line center.

by MoonDragn on May 21, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston

Something that looks at Rolston. Does he deserve the ire that many (myself included) direct at him? Does he contribute in ways that makes his contract somewhat justified?

by drhgzang on May 20, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think more people are just upset over his salary. At the time of signing the contract, the salary was justifiable: He had 3 straight 30 goal seasons, lead the league in SH goals in one of those, and one of the best forwards who could quarterback a PP. It’s just his performance AFTER signing the big contract which is why everyone isn’t fond of him. If he was signed for less, i’m sure that people wouldn’t mind him. It’s just $5 mil is too much for a guy who’s probably more of a depth player than a top forward

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 20, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree when signed the salary seemed reasonable, since it was an over 35 contract I was never a fan of the length. I always thought it had the potential to backfire (e.g. Rolston not being worth it over the entire term) and right now it looks like it has.

by drhgzang on May 21, 2010 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a good idea. What has Rolston contributed? From that, what could we expect? These are important questions. On it’s face, I would theorize that, no, he’s probably not going to drop 30 goals in a season any time soon and he’ll probably not meet most of his contract. At the same time, he’s not Andrew Peters, so learning what he could do would temper our expectations going forward.

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by John Fischer on May 20, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rolston can be a 30 goal scorer again. I see several problems with his game that could probably be fixed.

1. Stick handling around the boards. He seems to have problems handling the puck as well as his teammates at the boards. I don’t know if it is just a lack of effort or the desire to go hard at the boards but he could probably learn a lot from Zach.

2. Shot accuracy. He’s not as accurate as he used to be. He and the rest of the team needs to have accuracy drills to actually hit the net. Or even hit the post. Their shots go so high that one wonders exactly what he’s shooting at.

I think given a better center and another talented winger, Rolston can actually be worth the 5 mil the Devils are paying him. That said, he is getting old and maybe lou can trade him for some other assets.

by MoonDragn on May 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except there’s that whole pesky NTC thing…

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on May 21, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well obviously Rolston will have to agree to the trade.

by MoonDragn on May 21, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love this website, but one thing I don’t like is the tight restrictions. I understand for younger readers and what not, but most fans (me included) cannot resist dropping the f-bomb every once in a while. All I ask is that if that does happen, is a ‘WARNING’ really necessary? This blog is great and it has really helped me learn more about my favorite team, and I thank John for everything he has done!

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by jweinstein116 on May 20, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Suggestion jw: Just go ahead and type the f-bomb. Then continue with the rest of your post/response. Finally, go back, reread it, and remove the offending term. Unfortunately, too many just throw out a stream of consciousness without going back and reading what they typed to see if it makes any sense. And then they wonder why they’re “attacked.” Not pointing at anyone specifically, coz I don’t remember all the 16 line, one sentence posts and who wrote them.

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 20, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if that was directed at me but if so I wish you would say so.

That way, we can get everything out in the open and move on rather then play the “who is he talking about” game.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 20, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not directed at you at all…

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by jweinstein116 on May 20, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct. The “Suggestion jw” should have told you, but next time, I’ll remember to spell out the person’s ID if there’s any doubt.

Go Jets
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by FrankG929 on May 21, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 21, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1, the importance of the preview button

You read the 16-line, one-sentence posts? I read the first maybe three-four lines, get confused with the stream of consciousness, and move on.

To be sure, I am not directing this at any one person. Just anyone who uses confusing run-on sentences and expects an enlightened response. I understand sometimes you have a thought in your head, and it flows out through your keyboard, but please, preview your posts! Read it again. Does it make sense? Not to you, you obviously know what you meant. Will others be able to make sense of it?

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by LangsForPres on May 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll answer this one first because it's straight forward

I think a warning rather than a straight banning is better, really.

Given I’ve been adamant about clean language from the beginning, I’m not going to change now. Let’s be frank, to put a comment on this site, you have to knowingly and manually type in what you have to say and consciously hit the post button to post it.

I have full faith in all commenters being able to monitor their language and civility. Heat of the moment? It takes some time to type in a comment and post it. If you can’t not curse, then I suggest doing so elsewhere from your keyboard/phone and/or this site.

So, no, I won’t be changing that rule.

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by John Fischer on May 20, 2010 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Keep up the good work
Similarly, when I ask for evidence of a claim in a comment or in a FanPost or whatever, I’m not trying to be confrontational or mean. I want to know what basis backs up what people say about a player or a team. . . I just want to know more.

John, at first, early on I did feel that your tone could be somewhat confrontational. LIke the Soup Nazi protecting his prized creations.

However, I’ve come to realize that you put so much analysis and numbers crunching into these posts that it is a small price to ask us for a little extra effort in return. One post said that without this monitoring, registering, etc. – we’d end up like Fire and Ice’s or Nj.com’s comments. No disrespect to Guilitti or Chere or Stephenson, but it’s like the Wild West out there as far as comments.

While some weeks, I’m definitely on more than others (not “on” recently), this is still the interaction I enjoy the most. Zelepukin’s recent Fan Post and your constant number crunching.

I DO think you hold back you impulses a little much though. . . but that’s cool. I was very interested in to what Dmen you would like to see and why, but I waited a long time for that until recently.

That being said, the title of this post is “suggestions.” Well, I’ve emailed you a couple times about the Devils brass and fan interactivity and more input. I’lll DM you the specifics. But a simple response yes or not interested would be nice.

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by Cherno77 on May 20, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Rutgers

Wow John, what years were you at Rutgers?! I graduated from Rutgers College of Engineering too in 1991. My degree though was in Electrical Engineering but I had to take so many math classes that I know where you are coming from.

by MoonDragn on May 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

EE 1984 from NJIT myself

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 21, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got my BS in 2005 (2001-2005) and my MS in 2007 (2005-2007)

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by John Fischer on May 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh well, I guess both of you guys weren’t in there when I was. Rutgers was so much different between 1984 and 1990s and 2000s.

by MoonDragn on May 25, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

brian gionta is awesom-

do u think there is a single hockey fan in monteal who has second thoughts about his salary, he is doing every thing he can for the habs.i wish the devils had a player like that i really really do.

by Imperator_Celtic on May 21, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Right now? Probably not. Come back in two years, and they may be wishing they hadn’t given him five years at $5 million per.

Personally, I have no problem with Gionta taking that money, especially since the Devils would never have come close to it on years or dollars. I didn’t have a problem with Rafalski taking the huge pile Detroit put in front of him (moreso since he grew up near Detroit) when Lou thought he could get a deal done for less. It’s players like Gomez that I wish all sorts of evil things upon.

by acasser on May 21, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Gomez?

Didn’t he do the same thing that Gionta & Rafalski did?

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 21, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's quite simple

Gomez went to the Rangers.

Gionta and Rafalski (and Madden) didn’t.

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by John Fischer on May 21, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, thats' right!

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 21, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They offered him $10 a year. That was pretty much insane….that is a whole lot of money to pass up.

by NJDOhio on May 22, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

They offered him $10M a year and one trip to the playoffs in 8 seasons. It isn’t just about the money, because if it was, he would have taken the deal.

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kept saying that Lou should have kept Gionta and Madden. He could have easily re-signed Gionta for about 4.2 mil and Madden for 3 mil. Then we would have let Pandolfo go. Would have been much better than signing Rolston. Never again should we go the FA route.

by MoonDragn on May 25, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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