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If there's any way to keep Kovy and Parise and add Malkin, do it.


Well obviously I was not in favor of trading Zach Parise.  He is probably the best grinder in the league, if I dare say such a thing.  He's not flashy, although at times he will show off his skill with the puck, and he plays defense just as hard as if every game is his last, so yes, I will consider him such a player.  Now a lot of people are supporting the Zach Parise for Evgeni Malkin trade rumor that supposedly Lou has contacted Ray Shero regarding, but I haven't officially seen anything in writing.

Anyway, a couple of things about that proposal: if we lose Parise, then our top line likely becomes Kovalchuk-Malkin-Elias, which is great, but then Zajac has Langenbrunner and who?  Tedenby?  Is he ready to play second line already?  The Devils waited a lot longer than that with Bergfors.  I suppose we could suffer through Brian Rolston playing up with them on the left side, maybe even Zubrus could play the left wing position.  Anyway, that's a long way from happening, so let's go over some logical considerations first.

Malkin's cap hit is $8.7M, and he's locked up forever, pretty much.  If we could somehow rid ourselves of Rolston ($5M), Pandolfo ($2.5M), and not sign Niedermayer, McAmmond, Mottau or Martin ($3.8M cap hit), then it becomes slightly more realistic.  Kovalchuk, to me, is worth no more than $8M.  I think everyone realizes that, especially because a healthy Malkin puts up 75-80 assists per year, which is included in his 110 points per season he had back-to-back years before this year, which was plagued by a pair of mild injuries.  Remember, Malkin has also won a Calder, was twice a runner-up in the Hart voting to Ovechkin, and won a Conn Smythe.  So he knows how to score and how to win.

My personal opinion is as the title says: throw everything we have at the Pens except Parise.  If they want Elias, they can have him.  I honestly believe that Elias isn't going to hold up much longer physically.  He has the body of a 40-year old but we have to pay his salary through 2012-13.  That worries me slightly.  If Malkin costs us Elias and Langenbrunner, then we might have to think about it.  Obviously both guys (I believe) on our side have no-trade clauses, but I'm sure when you're talking about likely playing on the first line with Sidney Crosby, they'd say yes.  Otherwise, they'd get Jordan Staal, but realistically, an Elias-Crosby-Langenbrunner line isn't bad at all.  Elias-Crosby-Guerin isn't either, but that's for them to decide.  The bottom line is, I doubt Pittsburgh accepts anyone less than Parise.  If that is the case, scrap everything and move on to plan B.

Plan B, we call Washington and ask the price tag for Nicklas Backstrom.  Okay, well maybe not...

While we're still dreaming, or at least I am, take a look at the possibilities with the new mock-lineup:

Parise-Zajac-Clarkson (I believe he fits better than anyone else right now)
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Zharkov/Zubrus/Tedenby
Tedenby-Josefson/Henrique-Zubrus/Zharkov
LeBlond-Malhotra/Belanger/Pelley-Sestito/Pelley/Vasyunov

The problem is...defense.  Volchenkov still looks nice, and with all that contract dumping, and the subtractions of Langenbrunner and Elias, you never know, he might still be realistic, but then again, none of this is "realistic" anyway.  Dan Hamhuis is also a great choice, he plays physical and he's smart with the puck, as Lemaire would say.  I also think we need to consider signing Dan Ellis if Carey Price is unrealistic, Marty's LIMIT is 65 games next year in my opinion.

Okay, now, since the Malkin deal probably won't happen, let's look at other options.  What about calling Columbus and asking about Antoine Vermette?  He's got decent size, he can play-make and scored 27 goals on a lousy Blue Jackets team this past season.  He would fit in here, because he does play well in his own end, he plays shorthanded, I think Vermette would be a solid addition, barring the asking price.

I suppose we could ask Buffalo for Tim Connolly, Saku Koivu is out there, so is Plekanec.

Again, defense for the next 2-3 years is key.  Corrente and Eckford will be solid, and the other two kids, Gelinas and Kelly, may turn out to be great too, they are potentially middle defensemen, but the problem is 2010-11 right now.  Defense by committee hasn't worked.  We need a #1 who can play half the game if called upon, especially down the stretch and into the playoffs.

That's my story, you may not like it, that's fine, tell me your story.

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Would you support Evgeni Malkin coming to NJ?
Yes, even if it costed us Zach Parise
4 votes
Yes, but not at the cost of Parise
46 votes
Not sure right now, especially with that contract
8 votes
Probably not, but it might work out somehow
10 votes
Not under any circumstance whatsoever
11 votes

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Among other things.

I’d also like a unicorn. Can we add that to the list of demands?

Among other points, let me hammer at least this one. I’d suggest the rest of the commentariat hammer other points.

If we could somehow rid ourselves of Rolston ($5M), Pandolfo ($2.5M), and not sign Niedermayer, McAmmond, Mottau or Martin ($3.8M cap hit), then it becomes slightly more realistic

Rolston and Pandolfo aren’t going anywhere. For the love of New Jersey, I don’t know where this illusion that they can be dumped comes from.

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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Well all you said about Rolston and Pandolfo is true. But the main thing this doesn’t take into account is who would we send to Pittsburgh. Even if we could move Rolston and Pandolfo who would take them and who would we then give to Pittsburgh for Malkin. We would almost certainly have to give up Parise or Zajac or Kovalchuk what other players could we offer that wouldn’t make Pittsburgh laugh off the offer.

by KingHellfire on May 25, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

may I?

Nicklas Backstrom is signed with Washington until 2020. Yup, 2020. I feel confident in saying that NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF ANYTHING EVER has a team signed a center to a 10-year contract extension and then put him on the trading block.

by richer44 on May 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and another thing:

Elias and Langenbrunner also have NTCs. Elias has played every game of his NHL career for the Devils. His number will probably end up in the rafters someday. If he waives his NTC to go to Pittsburgh – a DIVISION RIVAL – I will blend my computer keyboard into a smoothie and eat it.

Unicorn-chasing aside, you spend the entire post putting together an all-star team of forwards, and then end with this:

Again, defense for the next 2-3 years is key. Corrente and Eckford will be solid, and the other two kids, Gelinas and Kelly, may turn out to be great too, they are potentially middle defensemen, but the problem is 2010-11 right now. Defense by committee hasn’t worked. We need a #1 who can play half the game if called upon, especially down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Other than floating Anton Volchenkov and Hamhuis – how do you expect to pay for all of this AND keep Paul Martin, which I assume you aim to do since neither Volchenkov or Hamhuis have any more claim to ‘#1 Defenseman’ pedigree than Martin?

It’s one thing to suggest something unrealistic to stir up discussion on ILWT, but this is just preposterous.

by richer44 on May 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe learn the difference between unrealistic and just improbable?

by Zelepukin on May 25, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a break, John.

There will be no hockey for awhile and we are all at the edge of our seats wondering whether Kovy will return or not.

Let the man dream. lol.

by BrockRocks on May 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me have my unicorn!

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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can have this one. It’s invisible. And pink.

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by elesias on May 25, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it sparkle?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 26, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great dream scenario nothing more!

Not to mention we would have many roster vacancies as well as little money to fix those issues. just take into account the salaries of Malkin 8.7 million, Kovalchuk 7.5 or more, plus Elias 6 million cap hit, Brodeur at 5.2 million and Martin at 3.8 million. This doesn’t even account for the raises that Martin would probably get in a new agreement.

by KingHellfire on May 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would you want a unicorn?

Ummm you lost me at Crosby. No way I want him coming here if that is what you said. Not getting Belanger, Malholtra,. Connolly and Koivu are old. I like Vermette but it probably would cost us a a center and a high draft pick. Given the closest one is in the 2nd round…

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG u GuYz!!!

I havz the ultimate of tRadEs…

What if we swap Pelley for Ovechkin and then Salvador for Shea Weber followed by Zubrus for Getzlef! OMG OMG OMG… why doesn’t lOu jUst dO th4T?

by Zelepukin on May 25, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Pot me kettle?

Did I create an asinine post about bringing in Malkin and keep Parise and Kovalchuk? If i did could you please hotlink me to it?

I asked for people’s thoughts about trading Parise FOR a player like Malkin while keeping Kovalchuk.

So please dude don’t try and put me in league with this idiocy and some great “Zing!”, cause you’re way off.

by Zelepukin on May 25, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Further more did I go and propose ridiculous trade scenarios? No I posed a legit question about a concept that had been floated around the media… one that unlike this one could be made to work.

by Zelepukin on May 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not starting a pissing match. I’m just saying that floating trading the franchise straight-up for a player whom nobody seems to agree is actually any better than who we have – PLUS taking on more than $6M in salary in said trade – isn’t that much more plausible than NjDeViLs33’s post (which includes a poll in which he asks for people’s thoughts about getting Malkin) that you can flame him without getting ribbed yourself.

by richer44 on May 25, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re acting like I pulled the notion out of my ass, when it was something bouncing around in the media in light of both teams recent failures AND comments made to the press by said players.

Even if no one agrees on if Malkin is better than Parise, even if they settle on him being just “as good” or “on par” with Parise is the point somehow lost on you that the whole entire thing wasn’t about just swapping the two for the hell of it? It was a question about addressing positional needs and the fact that Parise may not be happy in NJ and Pittsburgh may need to move Malkin.

And really dude we’d be trading “our franchise” for just a player… Really? Really? Everything he’s accomplished in his short career he’s not worthy of getting a franchise tag, he’s just a player in your eyes? I’ve seen your posts and know there’s brain racking around in there so even if you don’t agree with me please don’t act or treat me like the post was about trading Parise for a Mike Ribiero.

by Zelepukin on May 25, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this argument between you two will end here.

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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

done and done. ’twas only teasing…

by richer44 on May 25, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Accurate

I agree with Zelepukin that Malkin is a better player, so there are at least two of us.

More importantly, there is no way Richer was better than Zelepukin. Richer didn’t show up half the games. he was a tempermental player who whined alot. Zelepukin had tremendous heart and was the soul of this team before Brylin took over that roll.

I wil admit that when Richer felt like playing he was amazing, the problem was you would have a big game from him and disappear for 4 or 5 games..

by pepe22 on May 26, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

WoW ThAts WaCkEy!!!!!

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess nobody read past the "we should trade..." part

There’s no way any of this happens. The Backstrom thing was a total joke, I’m aware Rolston isn’t going anywhere, I’m hopeful that Pandolfo might be let go, and Lou wouldn’t trade Parise (I don’t think he would anyway, he did trade Sykora in the prime of the A-line).

Take a joke.

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by DownGoesAvery on May 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

if this was ment to be a joke then why post it?

considering this isnt even a funny joke. just because the devils failed terribly in the last three seasons doesn’t mean we should have to read about stupid trade “ideas”. They just sound stupid, please save your self from having to explain you are “joking” by putting crap like this up.

by brodeurman89 on May 25, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon guy

It’s not like it is an insult. He tried to make a joke and your saying “They just sound stupid, please save your self from having to explain you are "joking" by putting crap like this up.”
Just ignore it and read the rest of the post.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then say that you aren’t serious?

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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The devils will always be a defensive strong team.

As of recent the Devils have lacked great defensemen like a scott steven or a Scotty Neidermeyer (Rob will always be the lesser brother in my heart.) or Kenny D and right now the defensive core that we have right now would not cut it especially if there is a chance that Paul Martin might now be back next season. The Devils need to fix the defense and then maybe Zach Parise and the offense won’t have to worry about playing defense as much and can possibly provide the offense the devils lacked.

by brodeurman89 on May 25, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

the defensive core that we have right now would not cut it especially if there is a chance that Paul Martin might now be back

Let’s remember people, that core won the Jennings trophy this season. The defense might not have a stud, but as a whole, they got the job done all season. Minor upgrades in the defense would be all I think they need, their core, including Martin (Greene, White, Salvador, and maybe Fraser) isn’t awful. It’s the offense that (even though it shouldn’t) is what needs help.

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by FrankG929 on May 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the problems we have now, I wouldn’t be shocked if Lou loads up the forward dept. This isn’t the century where you can just rely on Marty to make that one extra save. I got delirious every time the Flyers got the puck in the offensive zone. Marty is still the best goalie but time has passed and Marty has aged. Look at Game 7 with Staal. I THINK this is the time where you focus on offense than defense right now. But a defenseman wouldn’t hurt right now.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not Ovechkin too

Maybe the capitals will trade us ovechkin for Pandolfo straight up?
Crosby for rolston/
While we are at ir maybe wecan get Kane for Zharkov..

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by pepe22 on May 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Realistically….. What could ultimately happen. Based on past history is:

*Ilya signs somewhere else
*Montreal resigns Plekanec
*Montreal needs cap space to sign Plekanec and Halak and offers us Gomez and Price for two prospects and 1st round pick.!!

Ha!!

by NJDOhio on May 25, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t say it can’t happen O.o

by NJDOhio on May 25, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!!

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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

  1. The Penguins aren’t trading Malkin this off-season
  2. If the Penguins were going to trade Malkin, it sure as hell wouldn’t be to a division rival, it wouldn’t even be to a team in the East — let alone a division rival
  3. See number 1

And, no offense to Parise, but even on paper in a hypothetical world Pittsburgh doesn’t do a Parise for Malkin trade straight up. Parise is one of my favorite players in the league and would be a fine addition anywhere, but he’s not Malkin. Parise’s older than Malkin, his season high in goals, assists, points is less than Malkin, Parise’s only signed for 1 more season and who knows what kind of contract he’ll get, and so on.

No thanks all the way around.

by Hooks Orpik on May 26, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, we got the official word from the Penguins. Nix the trade rumors guys.

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by elesias on May 26, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everything about this is just wacky. The post, the comments, the arguments, and the name-calling. Juuuuuust wacky.

by undersuspicion426 on May 26, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I highly agree...

some of the comments on here are really turning me away from this blog. To say “hey this is completely unrealistic” is different than the myriad of names or mocking comments some of you had put up. It’s ridiculous. We’re supposed to be Devils fans, not spiteful schoolchildren.

by skly27 on May 26, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I share the same sentiment.

We visit this blog to read everyone’s thoughts. NjDeViLs33 was simply doing what he thought he was entitled to do. Whether we agree with his ideas or not, he stills deserves the respect of a fellow Devils fan; as we all do.

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by LoNJDTechnology on May 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

About Rolston!

Everyone speaks of how poorly he played. I would like to know his time played with the top guys in 5-5 play. As well as what his ice time marks were. I’m willing to wager he played about 5 minutes less than the top guys. I realize his shot percentage was weak but really his only shot is a relatively low height slapshot. Parise and Kovalchuk can hit practically any spot of the net. If you put him with Parise, Zajac or Kovalchuk, Elias his numbers would improve. I’d also like to see him more on the penalty kill. Nieds and Pando dont cut it. They are to slow anymore hockey sense only makes up for so much.

by KingHellfire on May 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

another thing

Although i dont believe Rolston is worth the 5 mil hes cashin in on, i do feel like hes gotta add that veteran leadership that i believe every team needs, not sayin Elias, Langs, Brodeur dont have that but i still think Rolston has to add to that dynamic, also hes been playin on the 3rd line mostly, so his numbers are indicative of that. But John, could u do a post like u did with kovy n martin? But with rolston, i would like to see if Rolston is really as bad as some may think.

by Maciek1o13 on May 26, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

But John, could u do a post like u did with kovy n martin? But with rolston, i would like to see if Rolston is really as bad as some may think.

You may get what you’re asking tomorrow. A WOWY, yes. GVT, perhaps. On-ice/off-ice – that may be for Friday.

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by John Fischer on May 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He ranked 8th among Devils’ forwards with 13:35 ES TOI/G.

Kovalchuk led the forwards on the team with 16:31 ES TOI/G, which is only ~3 minutes more. The next forward was Parise with 16:06 (~2 1/2 minutes more).

Not quite five minutes, but a definite difference.

He was brought in to help in general, but was specifically supposed to help the PP, and his 2:23 PP TOI/G was sixth highest among forwards.

The reason everyone rails against his play (and why he probably didn’t get more TOI) is precisely why you mention:

I realize his shot percentage was weak but really his only shot is a relatively low height slapshot.

He was second behind only Parise in SOG for the season with 232, but his abysmal 8.6 S% is 14th on the team. Granted, the entire team struggled with S%, as illustrated by the fact that the guy just above him on the list at 9% is Kovalchuk. Difference being, Kovalchuk will “regress to the mean” and get his back up… Rolston is a career 9.1%, so expecting much better is foolish.

And none of this even accounts for his 47 missed shots. His SPCT (shooting percentage including missed shots) is 6%. To put that in perspective, that puts him between Bryce Salvador (6.2) and Dean McAmmond (5.8). Even more specifically (and damning) is the fact that he had a 3.8 SPCT with his bread and butter slap shot.

In the end, his play doesn’t warrant putting him up with the top lines. Sure, you could argue that it might improve his numbers a little bit (and he did spend some time on the 2nd line), but the flip side is that he might drag the other two guys down (which I believe to be the case, though I don’t have the data to prove it – though I imagine some of John’s earlier WOWY posts might touch upon it).

Really, I think the big issue everyone has isn’t necessarily his performance (though everyone, even Brian, I’m sure) would like it to be better, but the fact that he’s earning as much as he is for what he gives. If he were making half of what he is, or if his contract weren’t as long and/or if he didn’t have the NTC, I don’t think people would be so hard on him.

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by elesias on May 26, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Another spot I would like to see Rolston is on the pk. He still has decent speed and having him out there would put a little more pressure on the opposing teams defense. Or even Kovy i realize he’s not the greatest at taking the body but he would also make the d make quicker passes and not allow them to set up.

by KingHellfire on May 26, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

We already had him on the pk...

And it was terrible. He wouldn’t do anything until a puck came his way and somehow lost it on the boards…..

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Well let me respond with a question for you. Would you rather Pando and Nieds getting the huge amounts of time on pk they had? I’m through with Pando he was never that great Madden and Brylin made him decent even then he wasn’t much. Now with with Brylin long since gone and Madden now in Chicago his value is zip zilch.

by KingHellfire on May 26, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Niedermayer was actually one of our best penalty killers. Pando, not so much, but Nieds pulled his weight on the PK.

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by LangsForPres on May 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

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