The Case Against Re-Signing Ilya Kovalchuk by the New Jersey Devils this Summer
This summer, the New Jersey Devils will have at least 5 roster spots to fill, per CapGeek, 2 forwards, 2 defensemen, and a goaltender. Earlier this month, I've done an overview of all the free agents coming out of New Jersey with thoughts on what the Devils should do. Since then, I've focused a lot of attention on the two biggest unrestricted free agents coming away from the 2009-10 roster, if not the league: Paul Martin and Ilya Kovalchuk. Initially, here was my take on Martin and Kovalchuk:
I thought Andy Greene was great in this past season, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Martin as the #1 instead of hoping Greene can repeat his 09-10 season.
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Trading for Ilya Kovalchuk was the right call in my opinion. He brings a lot of positives to the Devils, and he's an excellent scorer who plays against top competition. He also boosts the profile of the team as an established star in the game today. Guys like Kovalchuk are rare. However, given the cap situation and the fact that Kovalchuk plays the same position as Parise and Elias, is it wise for the Devils to commit a ton of money to three left wingers? Initially, I think not. Kovalchuk and Martin being UFAs both require a post of their own in the future. I'll go into detail there.
Now, I've made the case that Paul Martin will be the most effective defenseman on the market this summer; and gave my opinion as to why the best thing the Devils can do for their defense is to retain Paul Martin and then sign a UFA to upgrade the #4 spot in place of Mike Mottau. However, while the short-term decision is between Martin or Kovalchuk; after researching Kovalchuk's contributions and on-ice impact a little more, I think the decision is really between Kovalchk or Parise.
Yes, Zach Parise. I think he's proven over the last three seasons that while Kovalchuk is a fantastic talent and would make a great Devil, Parise is the better left winger overall and so re-signing Kovalchuk is not necessary, in addition to the salary cap and positional problems that may arise with retaining him. Please continue on after the jump for my case against Kovalchuk.
The PointsOne of the first things people look at when it comes to comparing players is points. I don't think it's the only way, but let's look at it first before delving into more advanced stats. From NHL.com, here they are.
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Kovalchuk has been one of the league's premier scorers over the past decade, whereas Parise wasn't even drafted until 2003 and didn't play until 2005-06. He really broke out in 2008-09, putting up 98 more shots on net and outscoring Kovalchuk, and the comparison by points is a bit more fair. We can immediately see that Kovalchuk is the superior shooter by both goals and shooting percentage; but Parise has racked up far more shots. Combined with a much smaller shooting percentage range, we get a sense that Parise is about 11-12% overall and given that he creates and takes so many shots, that's where the production comes from. I'd go as far as to say that both players are big producers - Kovalchuk as the better sniper and Parise as the more persistent winger.
Goals Versus Threshold
Let's go beyond points and use something more complex. Last week, I brought up Tom Awad's Goals Versus Threshold (GVT) stat to highlight that Ilya Kovalchuk was a big contributor to his teams (and that he was not a defensive liability) in 2009-10. Still, he wasn't the best to end in New Jersey. Zach Parise was one of the few forwards who had a higher total GVT than Kovalchuk last season, per Behind the Net's listing. Therefore, Parise contributed more to his team than Kovalchuk did (and the only forwards he didn't surpass were Ovechkin, Crosby, Henrik Sedin, Backstrom, and Semin).
Awad put together an all-time GVT list for all NHL players since 1944 and in the massive file, every player had their GVT broken down by season complete with rank among all NHL players from that season. While Awad's GVT listings were normalized to account for changes across eras and rounding errors leave a few GVT values rounded up 0.1 more than they may appear, here's how Kovalchuk and Parise stacked up in the last three seasons.

Both have been great contributors, but Parise really took it up another level in the last two seasons. What this tells me is that Kovalchuk may have been more consistent, but Parise has recently been the more significant contributor to his teams.
5-on-5 On-Ice Impact
A few days ago, I focused on the on-ice and on-ice impact numbers from Kovalchuk in the last three seasons. Utilizing the on-ice/off-ice and zone start numbers from Behind the Net, I was able to compare Kovalchuk among all forwards who have played at least 30 games and had at least a time on ice per 60 of 13 for 5-on-5 situations. Here's my post with those results, but the following chart summarizes Kovalchuk's own impact.

Where Kovalchuk stood out was in on-ice shooting percentage, on-ice impact on goals for per 60, and goals for per 60. His PDO was quite good across all three seasons. However, he didn't have a positive impact on his teams' shots for per 60, he only provided a small impact in 07-08 for reducing shots against per 60, and he never had a good adjusted Corsi per 60 due to having such a poor Corsi to begin with. Partially the result of playing on bad teams, perhaps, but his quality of teammates increased over each of the past three seasons only to result in, well, just above 0 in 2009-10.
Parise was among the hundred or so forwards in the comparison. However, the significance and number of areas where Parise had a positive impact in New Jersey makes it moot.

In terms of even-strength on-ice impact, Parise is clearly the more well-rounded forward. When he steps on the ice, good things tend to happen. That's not a cliche, that's not a talking point, that's the truth at even strength.
5-on-4 On-Ice Impact
The same even holds in 5-on-4 situations. While Kovalchuk is one of the few players in the league to get tons of ice time on the power play regularly, his on-ice numbers and on-ice impact weren't very good despite being present for a lot of power play goals. I go into more detail here, admitting that I still don't know what could cause this for Kovalchuk while someone like, say, Alex Ovechkin, can play neatly as much and have an amazingly beneficial on-ice impact on his team's PP.

Parise, on the other hand, well, he out-did Kovalchuk in on-ice and on-ice impact as well despite not having been on the ice for so many PPGs. Especially in this past season.

Conclusion of Parise vs. Kovalchuk
Here's what I think about Ilya Kovalchuk, just so doesn't anyone mistake me.
Kovalchuk is an excellent player and has been a consistent scorer for about a decade. Kovalchuk is fast, slick with the puck, able to bust out moves to thrill the fans, and is an exceptional shooter. Seriously, even Gabe at Behind the Net notes that while what makes a player successful at scoring is still undiscovered, in fact, Kovalchuk's really in a class of his own when it comes to shooting the puck. Clearly, he's the type of player rarely seen in a Devils uniform. The type of player that makes people go to games just to see what he can do. The star who can command such fan support to put up a giant "KOVALCHUK ARMY" banner in Section 208 during the playoffs.
The notion that Kovalchuk is selfish or is a sieve on defense or doesn't care about the postseason or can't be a New Jersey Devil is absolute garbage in my opinion. Anyone who wants to tell me otherwise better have some actual facts to back any of that up.
Parise will never be as gifted of a shooter as Kovalchuk. In terms of production, Kovalchuk's still ahead of Parise; and while loved in New Jersey, Parise isn't "there" in terms of being a star.
However, Parise has been playing like a star and he'll get there in due time. More importantly, Parise has been a bigger contributor to his team than Kovalchuk has been and the team benefits in multiple ways beyond just goals for per 60 when Parise comes on the ice at even strength.
Both are great, but I think it's clear Parise is more of a complete player than Kovalchuk.
The Money Issue - The Salary Cap Issue
Kovalchuk is coming off a contract where he's made $6.3893 million over the last 5 seasons per CapGeek. I highly doubt he's going to want a maximum value contract, and I don't see any reason why he would take a pay cut. If you think he will, well, explain it to me because I'd be highly skeptical. Especially given that he's at the prime of his career.
For the sake of argument, let's consider that the Devils sign him to a nominal increase: $6.4 million. That would make him the highest paid player on the New Jersey Devils and leave the Devils with $9.54 million left in cap space to sign two defensemen, sign a back-up goaltender, and sign centers plus retaining restricted free agents like David Clarkson and Mark Fraser, who will both fill up another $1.5125 million if they sign for the minimum possible amount. Actually, make it $2.145 million if Rod Pelley signs for the minimum too and stays up in NJ.
So the amount of money really left to play with in this hypothetical, unrealistic-everyone-signs-relatively-cheap scenario, is $7.395 million. Let me continue the cheap deals; knock off another $500k should Yann Danis or some other back up comes in at the league minimum. So that's $6.895 left for two defenseman positions and two centers.
Unless Lou wants to go right up to the salary cap limit - and this whole time I'm assuming a $58.6 million cap - expect the signings to be cost-effective. That would mean that we can forget about any chance of re-signing or replacing Paul Martin, the most effective defenseman on the market this summer. Without a real replacement out on the market, that only serves to weaken the defense. I would also guess that the chances of the Devils retaining Mike Mottau instead would rise dramatically. While the Devils can bring someone up from Lowell, keep in mind that they have cap hits of their own, per CapGeek. Tyler Eckford is a RFA and by mandated raises for RFA, he'll be at a million or higher; and Matthew Corrente would add another $821.7k. Of course, if they sign Mottau or some other cheap defenseman, with Fraser retained, the Devils would have 6 defensemen on the roster: a top 4 of Greene-White-Salvador-Mottau/UFA. Not exactly something that you'll be necessarily pleased with by the start of the 2010-11 season.
As for centers, the Devils can save some space by moving Patrik Elias or Dainius Zubrus to center. Meaning, the Devils will move players who have been more effective as wingers into a center position. This would lead the Devils have some cash to sign a checking center or a tweener between the second and third lines. Now, this is all considering that Kovalchuk signs the cheapest contract where he wouldn't take a pay cut. The likelihood of that is probably somewhere less than 1%.
Essentially, forget about the Devils signing both Kovalchuk and Martin; the cap situation would be even tighter to really improve where the Devils need to improve. The Devils could, of course, trade someone to provide space. Only deals in the NHL aren't done in a vacuum and any deal to free up cap space would probably leave Lou with far less than true value for what he may offer. And space will likely need to be freed up for Parise getting a deserved raise after 2010-11.
At least with just signing Martin, the Devils have more room to play with while ensuring their defense has a true leader. Not retaining Kovalchuk would mean, what, Patrik Elias going back to left wing and the Devils looking for a second line center? I would think that's a far more sensible situation to be in this summer and the team could still address needs properly.
The Money Issue - The Positional Issue
Let's go to a more qualitative question: If Kovalchuk re-signs for only $6.4 million, then he'll be the highest paid player on his team. Given that Zach Parise has been the top forward on the Devils in the past two seasons and will likely be the top forward again, can we be satisfied with committing this much money to someone playing behind Parise at left wing?
Well, we already are with Elias. He makes $6 million and I don't think anyone minds as long as he produces. Which he does for the most part. Still, if the idea is to make a big change, keep Kovalchuk as a star, and have him be a crucial part of the team, how can he do that if he's behind Parise? Would he be happy for a whole season behind Parise? Would Parise be happy for a whole season behind Kovalchuk? Of course, Elias is the example
Speaking of, let me bring this up again: Elias' best position is at left wing, Parise's best position is at left wing, and Kovalchuk's position is left wing. Even before a Parise extension, we're talking at least $15.525 million (it'll be higher depending on what Kovalchuk commands) at one forward position. That's a lot of money to tie up in one side of the ice; and it leaves less to address center or defense. That's why I think if Kovalchuk is signed, it'll likely mean Elias is going to center or going to the off-wing on the right side. It makes no sense to put either of these guys on the third line, not that moving Elias away from his best side makes a lot of sense.
That's why I think keeping Kovalchuk isn't necessary. He's talented, he's fantastic, he works hard, but how much he'll command will be much more than Martin, it'll leave less cap space for other moves, and it'll create issues among the roster that could be better addressed with just Parise and Elias at left wing.
There's merit in keeping in Kovalchuk and I believe an argument can be made for it. However, I believe that resigning Martin over Kovalchuk is the more sensible option. It gives the Devils more room to address their other needs, possibly retain some space for an extension for Parise (which is important), and allows Parise and Elias to remain in their best position: left wing.
It's especially vital that Parise remains the top left wing on the team, as he has been a big contributor on the ice and has had a very positive impact on the team when he has come on the ice. He needs to be on the first line to best benefit the Devils, and signing Kovalchuk could very well disrupt that. Again, Elias has had no issue playing behind Parise; but for the potential money Kovalchuk commands, it begs the question that he needs to be on the first line to possibly justify his contract.
Which leads me back to what the stats showed: Parise is more of a complete player than Kovalchuk. Therefore, Parise should remain at the top, Elias should remain on the left wing, and that means Kovalchuk walks. Great player, but ultimately, the situation isn't right to keep him.
Your Turn
Thanks for reading. Now it's your turn to give your take. If you think Kovalchuk should be re-signed anyway, say so and tell me why. If this changed your mind in one way or another, then share that in the comments. What did you think of this post overall? I'm sure you have plenty to say in response, so please have at it in the comments.
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Its a tough call
Does Lou want “flashy” and a bona fide superstar to fill the arena or does he want a better equal team in terms of positions? It is in Lou’s hands and Grossman’s. If it means adding a true center, 2 solid defenseman, and a goaltender then I’m all for it. But if it ends up as a mediocre 3rd line center and maybe 1 defenseman that has been “slacking” and won’t fill a need then I find a problem. A big problem. First, the arena won’t be filled, second it won’t improve the team much, and lastly Lou will be faced with a lot of scrutany. But I have trust in Lou and think he makes the best decision he can make to make this team a much solider team next year. Great post by the way. You can have your unicorn now. lol
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
I could not agree more!
Signing Martin is going to be huge. Maybe if the devils can get some role players like Manny Malholtra or dominic moore could be a good value or another great faceoff center would be a great sign for the devils. Not signing Kovy could give money to the defense maybe go after Leopold or Hamhuis or Volchenkov
Kovalchuk is coming off a contract where he’s made $6.3893 million over the last 5 seasons per CapGeek. I highly doubt he’s going to want a maximum value contract, and I don’t see any reason why he would take a pay cut. If you think he will, well, explain it to me because I’d be highly skeptical. Especially given that he’s at the prime of his career.
I honestly do not think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Kovalchuk signs only a 1 or 2 year deal for a reasonable cap hit, yes even taking a pay cut! Is it improbable? Sure… but so was NJ trading for him in the first place. Stranger things have happened and from what i’ve seen and heard out of him, I think Kovalchuk is a class act and his #1 desire is to win a Cup.
That being said, I feel his options then are limited for teams who are playoff ready and offer a legit shot at the post season AND could squeeze him in (even at the risk of having to be frugal elsewhere). Plus NJ offers the unusual locale benefit that not only allows him to bleed into the marketability and sponsorship deals that being in the greater NYC area provide, but do so without having to deal with the media scrutiny that comes with actually playing for a NY team. Again this is something I don’t think many fans take into consideration when players are choosing where to sign. Yes most players usually end up going where the team paycheck is largest, but there are always the astute handful with good agents who always take the WHOLE picture into consideration.
NY/NJ has one of the largest Russian communities, if not the largest in the country, one that Kovalchuk could use to his advantage to make up if not exceed the difference in salary from taking a paycut. Will he? You never know!
Marty has 2 years left on his contract… at the end of which, Kovalchuk would STILL be in his prime and still be able to pull in a huge paycheck. But for the here and now? If he wants to win a Cup this is probably the best situation for him if he’s willing to work with the team, something I honestly think he’s the sort of player who will do.
I can see Kovalchuk doing something like Marian Hossa with his one year deal. But that’s me and maybe I may as well be asking for a Unicorn but that’s how I read Kovalchuk.
I honestly do not think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Kovalchuk signs only a 1 or 2 year deal for a reasonable cap hit, yes even taking a pay cut! Is it improbable? Sure… but so was NJ trading for him in the first place. Stranger things have happened and from what i’ve seen and heard out of him, I think Kovalchuk is a class act and his #1 desire is to win a Cup.
I am aware of what you’re talking about. It does happen, as you bring up with Hossa. I can remember Kariya and Selanne signing cheaper than market deals to go to Colorado in the hopes of a Cup (didn’t work out), as another example.
Thinking about it now, it may be the only way Kovalchuk may stay. Whether or not he’s willing to pass up way more than $7 mil from a team with room available (LA could let Frolov walk and use some of that cash on Kovalchuk…) is a bit of a leap in my mind. Yes, in NJ there’s a Russian community nearby (assuming he cares about that) and he can get more of a profile (though in these days, it’s not so much where you are but how you sell yourself, I’d argue).
Lou can – and for all we know, is – making the case of Kovy spending 2 more years are current or lesser value in the hopes of putting something special together. Even at current value, it’s going to be a tighter fit than some may think, but that’s why we leave it up to Lou.
Lastly, I’m glad I’ve included the “unicorn” into the lexicon of the community. It’s a little classier than “a large pile of money and the ability to charm the ladies like Ric Flair.”
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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t speak for Kovalchuk, but being Russian and spending my life around a Russian community, for most people I know, having that community nearby is a big deal. So it is something I feel a Russian player might consider.
As an argument to further strengthen that, look at what Atlanta did last year with Antropov and Afinogenov. While I don’t doubt Kovalchuk was friendly and did enjoy playing with both, I can’t discount part of the reason they were brought in was because Kovalchuk may have felt alienated in his private life in Atlanta and may have longed for some people with whom he shared a cultural bond and tongue with. He also has a Russian wife who may also long for living closer to a Russian community.
Thinking about it now, it may be the only way Kovalchuk may stay. Whether or not he’s willing to pass up way more than $7 mil from a team with room available (LA could let Frolov walk and use some of that cash on Kovalchuk…) is a bit of a leap in my mind.
Now you bring up LA… and you’re right. LA (who also has a decent sized Russian community) could very well do that let Frolov walk and go after Kovalchuk with more money. But the Kings like the Devils have too have other key players they need to consider in the long run before seeing them committing to a huge long term deal as a given. They may too be looking for a 1 or 2 year deal like i was suggesting and in that case, i think NJ has the advantage in 1) familiarity 2) a better track record of success and 3) Brodeur who I think Kovalchuk really hit it off with. I don’t about you but I noticed the two chatting amongst themselves quite often before and during games in a very friendly manner.
I also have a question for you. You have a better grasp on how cap hits and NHL contracts work… does the NHL allow bonuses for certain landmarks? And if they do, do those Bonuses count against the Cap hit? If not… why not put a 2 million or whatever bonus in a contact if player reaches the Stanley Cup Finals? And if the NHL has no rule against it… you telling me the man who made Matvichuk, Mogilney and Malakhov disappear when they needed to isn’t clever enough to try this?
But John, you tell me…Do you know anything about Bonus incentives and Cap hits?
Performance bonuses look to be included. For example, looking at Eckford’s capgeek page, his performance bonus is included in the cap hit: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1422
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Besides
According to the CBA (found here), Kovulchuk wouldn’t be allowed to get one:
PERFORMANCE BONUSES
What players may earn in performance bonuses?
Performance bonuses will only be permissible for the following types of players: (1) players on entry-level contracts; (2) players signing one-year contracts after returning from long-term injuries (players with 400 or more games who spent 100 or more days on injured reserve in the last year of their most recent contract); and senior veteran players who sign a one-year contract after the age of 35.
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Maybe we can sign Frolov for less money than Kovalchuk..
Theres an idea
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would we need Frolov? We don’t need another winger. Kovalchuk just has other worldly ability and is a huge star, that’s the reason to keep him… Frolov is neither.
Just an idea...
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgive me for being a little late to this party. I’m a Thrashers fan and I don’t keep up with the Devils a lot.
I’m NOT Russian, but I can speak the language reasonably well and I have spent more time in that part of the world than most non-natives have.
I don’t think there is any chance at all, zero, that he will sign a 1 or 2 year deal in the NHL. In the KHL? Maybe. But whatever he wants, IF he wants to stay in the NHL (I am not completely convinced he does), a 1 or 2 year contract will NOT be sufficient to make him happy.
My feeling is very strong that while Kovy was OK with living in Atlanta (there IS a Russian community here, but it’s not very big at all. There are actually probably more Ukrainians here than Russians.), his wife most definitely was not. I am convinced that she hated living here. I believe that things like community and some other factors are a much bigger issue for Kovy than most fans realize. I feel that there are only 6 NHL teams he will consider signing with. They are (in no particular order) – Rangers, Devils, Islanders, Kings, Lightning and Panthers. That’s it. I don’t see him signing with any other NHL team. And I feel very strongly that he does have a plan and has had one all along on what he intends to do as a free agent, but I don’t know what that plan is. My guess for a long time was that he will go to the KHL for a lot of money, but recent rumors suggest he took his house off the market in Atlanta. In no way do I believe he will return to Atlanta to play, but if his house is off the market, that may indicate a desire to stay in the NHL and wish to have a place to live in the USA until he knows exactly what team he is going to.
He's not getting Hossa money here. Sorry pal.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 25, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
how do you know?
Have you spoken to him? Are you a confidant? An Advisor to Kovalchuk? No. You’re speculating, like myself. But how is your speculation that he won’t pull a Hossa and more founded in truth than mine that he may?
I at least provided some reasoning as to why doing a Hossa like deal and taking a pay cut, in the NY/NJ market may not end up really even being a cut when considering other factors in how athletes ear paychecks.
I think that even with a pay cut (unless its unrealistically cut)...
it will not leave enough room for the devils to fill in the gaps. Even though the there maybe perks for Kovy to stay I dont think it would be in the devils best interest to resign.
by brodeurman89 on May 25, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Timing
More importantly, Parise has been a bigger contributor to his team than Kovalchuk has been and the team benefits in multiple ways beyond just goals for per 60 when Parise comes on the ice at even strength.
Both are great, but I think it’s clear Parise is more of a complete player than Kovalchuk.
Agreed – Parise is the priority. But . . .
What if Parise doesn’t mesh with the new coach and wants to fly the coup after next year? Would having an exodus of good young players like Gomez and Gionta and now Parise would be noticed as a pattern? Marty will likely be retiring by that time (or he’ll have 1 – 2 more years) and Zach may see the writing on the wall. While I don’t want to be completely pessimistic here, this is why I think it’s important to pick a coach that Zach likes . . . .and to do it before July 1st, which, unfortunately, is not gonna happen. If the Devils don’t sign Kovalchuk, and I don’t think they should, then why not try to sign Parise this summer? Show him we care.
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Oh, I completely agree, if Kovalchuk isn’t signed, Parise should and probably will be locked up for a long time.
I don’t think the Devils have to do it this summer or even during the season. For all we know, Parise and his people may want to see how 2010-11 goes before making serious negotiations on an extension.
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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people have forgotten how good Patrik Elias is. It really isn’t fair to him that he would basically be forced to play center or his off wing to make room for Kovy. He already had to take the back seat to Parise. Let Elias play his position.
Also I think the defense needs to be upgraded. Not only resigning Martin but upgrading the void not signing Mottau will make. Doing those 2 things would require money that wouldn’t be available by signing Kovy.
And finally something I’ve said over and over in the comments for the past few weeks. WE NEED CENTERS. Seriously just one true center signing that isn’t a last minute defensive center signing. A center capable of putting up 50+ pts would be preferred.
by C.J. Richey on May 25, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree with everything said in this post. Especially about Elias and keeping him at wing.
by undersuspicion426 on May 26, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
YUP
Elias has done a lot for this organization and it’s just not fair to push him out of the LW spot, or worse the top 2 lines. He’s a leader and still a great option for a 2nd line winger. Is Parise/Kovy better than Parise/Elias or Kovy/Elias? Yes, but with the cap and John’s take on overloading money at one position, I would take the latter (Parise over Kovy IMO).
Some other people have also said that if the Devils sign Kovy, he would need a center to compliment him. I would say the same thing about Elias. Getting him a good 2nd line center (Lombardi?) along with Zubrus would make this team very solid on the top 2 lines, and by only signing one player, very inexpensive in terms of cap space this off-season. That would leave room to resign Martin, Clarkson, and Pelley. It may even leave room for Lou to do his magic in getting a good 3-4 defensemen.
by Matthew Ventolo on May 26, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I say sign him! He will put buts in the seats when he starts lighting the lamps, plus hes a big barganing chip in the future to maybe compensate us for our future.
A) Compensation? Bargaining chip? For what?
B) Will he also put ‘ands’ in the seats, too? What about ‘ifs?’
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by John Fischer on May 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see Kovalchuk at least get a full year in New Jersey. Then a little more would be known of how he really fits in the Devils plans. I think it’d be better to sign him for a few seasons if it don’t work out we could then trade him and get something in return. If we let him walk now we end up getting nothing for him. That would be a shame to see a star player leave NJ only to get nothing back from it.
I like that fact
that Zelepukin added the Russian community as a factor cuz i believe that could be a huge deal for Kovalchuk, and im also extremely hopeful that Kovalchuk would sign a short term deal so we could keep him. And what if… we put a line of Parise-Zajac-Kovalchuk, Elias-UFA-Langs(or even rolston). I dont see why either Parise or Kovy have to be behind eachother as John stated, when they could play on the same line, i understand that one of them would play off wing but that would be a monster line, id even compare that to the sharks(former?) line of Marleu-Thornton-Heatly.(Marleu a center,btw) maybe next season we’ll have the PZK line or the KZP line?
and..
do you guys really think Lou would trade Bergfors(who i was really excited about) and a first rounder for a player he didnt think he could resign? idk but i think Lou is cookin up somethin good for us, also does anyone know if the salary cap is going down? wasnt there talk of this before the season?
Actually, yes. Lou made the trade not to get close to Kovalchuk but to improve the offense with the best available shooter. Lou wouldn’t have made the deal if he wasn’t willing to accept that Kovalchuk may not stay.
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by John Fischer on May 26, 2010 7:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Not sure why people seem to think Lou would not have made this trade if he didn’t think he could resign Kovy. I certainly would have! Even if I was 100% sure I could not re-sign Kovy, I still would have made that trade. At the time, the Devils were very high in the standings and this seemed to be the thing that would put us over the top to win the cup. I believe any GM would have given up Bergfors and Oduya to have Kovalchuk as a rental.
Mr Fischer, I very rarely agree with you however this is one of those rare times that I do. Kovalchuk is awesome however, given the needs we have this summer he ultimately doesn’t fit. I would love to keep him but we have needs on defense and we really don’t need another left wing, center is the real hotspot.
This was a good read.
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I personally think that it would be a mistake not to try and sign Kovy. Yes, he’s not necessary, but he does draw in the extra crowd and he would make our team better. But mostly I think it is because he would be an asset for the club no matter what happens.
If you let him go now, he was just a rental, and you lost out. If you manage to re-sign him, you can always trade him or someone else from the team next year to sign Zach to a bigger contract.
Langenbrunner, Pandolfo, and White’s contract are all up next season and the extra money would be there if we don’t re-sign some or all of them.
As for someone who said that it is bad business to sign someone and then trade him the next year, we have already signed people and put them in the minors, how would this be any worse?
Why can’t Parise be a draw? He’s young, he’s great, and he’s every woman’s dream and every goalie’s nightmare.
If he or the team actually promotes him, why not?
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by John Fischer on May 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ever notice how like 95% of women at a Devils’ game have a Parise jersey or t-shirt? Get that guy on the View, and we’d sell-out every night!
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by LangsForPres on May 26, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Parise is a draw for Women, but we need to get the guy’s on the boat too. Kovy is a dynamic player that just draws in the crowds. Yes, we could end up being like the Rangers, but ticket sales are important for the future of this team also.
Going forward though, it is the management of our assets that is important. When Gomez left, we got nothing for him, when Gionta left, nothing, when rafalski left, nothing. neidermayer, nothing. We lose our top prospects to other teams and do not get any kind of return from them.
For once I would like to see a return. Even if it is just a rental, lets turn Kovy to some kind of return before we lose the chance to.
Do guys not like Parise? I realize that he may not be the draw that Kovy is (yet), but I’ve also seen many men and, even more so, young kids wearing Parise shirts. Zach is not only promotable to adults: for men he’s skilled, hard-working, and tough-as-nails, for women he’s handsome and all-American wholesome (he loves to read, he’s a Library Champion for Christ sake); but he also is a great role-model for kids, a hero they can look up to.
While I was being facetious with the View comment, the best way to sell tickets is to get families in. The best way to get families in is to get the wife and/or children interested.
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by LangsForPres on May 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The best way to get families in is to get the wife and/or children interested.
Agreed. Additionally, more matinee games might help. As a parent myself, the thought of bringing my children to a game at 7pm on a weeknight is not a pleasant thought…
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Also, at this point, what return could we possible get for Kovy?
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by LangsForPres on May 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he’s not necessary, but he does draw in the extra crowd and he would make our team better.
The crux of the dilemma.
As much as I would like for the Devils to start getting the attention and attendance they deserve, I worry that “unnecessary” (it’s debatable, but I’d side with you) personnel moves made specifically to affect the bottom line put the team in the same category as teams like the Rangers or Nashville whose owners are more concerned with the ticket sales than the on-ice product.
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One more note...
Perhaps I am overrating Tedenby slightly (I am a Swede, after all) but he seems to be a definite contender for a second line LW position in 2011-2012 and is the most exciting of the Devils prospects that are close to NHL ready. Just to add another hiccup to the idea of re-signing Kovalchuk.
I’d rather use that money to sign Marleau, someone who fits in perfectly with Elias and Langenbrunner.
Banstyk, I surely hope Teddy and Josefson work out. We need good young players with skill and these two fit that bill. Can’t wait to see them in training camp.
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by thatguy011071 on May 26, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree,it absolutely makes no sence to try to keep Kovalckuck. They need to spend the money elsewhere. They need to try to keep Martin & upgrade the Mottau spot with someone like Volchenkov & try to aquire a centerman to play with Elias. I think lou should still make some kind of a trade even for picks to bring up some of the prospects in the minors that are overdue to play in the N.H.L. He should try to trade Pandolfo, & Pelley.
Pando has a NTC and Pelley still seems to be on Lou's future list....
And Pando is having surgery and I doubt anyone would take him.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
i think there's a way to keep parise, kovalchuk and martin
it’d be very difficult but it is certainly possible. it involves front-loading a kovalchuk deal, using prospects in key positions (e.g. henrique or josefson at 3rd line center), and burying pandolfo in the minors where he belongs. i doubt the devils will manage to do this, but it is possible. after the brodeur, rolston, salvador, and white deals end, the devils will have a ton of cap room and shouldn’t have many problems down the road.
To expand on the “Ton of cap room”
2011-12 there are 8 people under contract for a total of just under $30M, about $27M for 15. Remember, they have 15 signed for next year now at $41.1M. It looks like next year’s cap problems might be bigger than this year’s with wanting to resign Parise.
2012-13 is where the ton appears, 3 people signed for about $13.3M, $43.5M available for about 20 players. Yes, much more palatable.
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Not to mention that most of the top prospects are signed to deals that pay more than the minimum. Less than a million, yes, but could range in the $600-900k range. If the Devils need to go cheap, they’re going to look for a veteran for the league minimum instead of a rookie.
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by John Fischer on May 27, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but not re-signing Kovy would be a mistake
He “fit” rather nicely last year in spite of Lemaire’s Bingo-Cage crap. He showed he can play some semblance of defense, is NOT selfish, can be a one-man Rush up the ice(which could help the Devils make an in-game change they need), and HE HATES SEAN AVERY!
How could you go wrong with that?
But I agree with the 1-2 year deal which coincides with Marty’s current deal expiring. Let him stay for these last two years, go for the Gold(errr, I mean CUP) and bid the Devils adieu after two years. Simple as that.
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John – excellent analysis. I didn’t read all the comments but has anyone brought up the fact that our top prospect Tedenby is also a left wing, and that hockeysfuture at least indicates he has the skills to play at the NHL level? If Kovy were signed (and I think your salary cap and defensive corps assessment clearly show the impracticality of this) I think you would almost have to move Tedenby for a center. Of course this would preclude the prosect of the Josefson/Tedenby combo that should be our zajac/parise combo for the future.
So, assuming it is not in the teams best interest short term or long term to sign Kovy, do you see Lou trading his rights before July 1 to improve his draft position or stockpile picks?
I don’t know if trading Tedenby short of getting an exceptional center is a smart idea.
Since I don’t think it’s best for the Devils to re-sign Kovalchuk, I would like to think that Lou would explore that avenue and see if the Devils can get a pick or something for Kovalchuk. However, my memory is failing of an example of Lou doing this before; and trading him probably won’t bring back a high pick anyway. So unless the Devils really love some second-day players in the 2010 draft, I wouldn’t hold my breath on it happening.
Of course, I could be wrong because who knows what Lou does but Lou.
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by John Fischer on May 28, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, sorry for being late to this party.
In my previous post in the thread, I mentioned that in my opinion Kovy will only sign with one of 6 teams if he stays in the NHL. I feel very strongly about this. I am positive that he is simply unwilling to sign with just anybody. If I am right, the list of potential trading partners is pretty small and it makes it unlikely for this scenario to play out.

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