The Financial Challenge of Keeping Kovalchuk, Martin, AND Clarkson
by FrankG929 on May 26, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
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I don't believe the Devils can keep Ilya Kovalchuk, Paul Martin, AND David Clarkson without at least one other significant roster move. Here is my rationale:
Signed players take up $41.1 M, we all know this, 15 players are signed. So $15.7M is available to sign 8 players, I believe we can all agree 23 roster players is reasonable.
Including their current salaries, assuming nobody would take a pay cut, $6.3893M for Kovalchuk, $4.5M for Martin, and $500K for Yann Danis (Let's face it, paying the minimum for the Devils backup goalie is the most prudent option) we're now at $52.489M and 18 players. Leaving us just over $4.3M for 5 players.
By the way, all the numbers come from capgeek and the specific player's link therein.
Looking at the RFA's we'd probably like to keep and what their qualifying offers would have to be. On the lower end salary-wise, we're not going to do much better by letting them go:
David Clarkson = $918,750 (105% of 875K)
Tyler Eckford = $719,250 (105% of 685K)
Rod Pelley = $632,500 (110% of 575K)
Mark Fraser = $550,000 (110% of 500K)
We're now up to $55,309,800 and 22 players. Which means there is $1,490,200 to give Kovalchuk, Martin, and Clarkson a raise AND sign another player. Signing "D" would mean 8 defensemen. Ideally IMHO, a center should be signed.
Who is left?
Vladimir Zharkov $850K
Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond $525K
Andrew Peters $500K (OK we could get value back here, but since this is a financial perspective, the $500K is the LEAST we'd have to spend for a replacement of just the roster spot, if there would even be any takers)
Andy Greene $737.5K
Anssi Salmela $612.5K
Dainius Zubrus $3.8M
Bryce Salvador $2.9M
Even if that other player is at the league minimum, there's only $990,200 available with the current roster for these 3 players' raises. I don't know about you, but unless One of 2 players go (Zubrus or Salvador - and then we'd have to replace THEM as well), there just isn't enough money in the kitty. I think most of us would agree that trading Martin Brodeur, Travis Zajac and/or Zach Parise is not the first choice to clear cap space *and* get reasonable value back. The other signed players don't add up to much and again, getting anything of value back wouldn't save any cap space.
I'm glad I'm not Lou, but take your pick, which player do the Devils set free? I'll cast my vote after a few have come through.
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Not saying Lou would or should do it, or that Kovalchuk would agree to it, but there’s always the possibility of signing him (and Parise next year) to one of those “cap-friendly” long term deals… something like $70m over 12 years where the bulk of the money is front loaded but the cap hit is more manageable.
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How could you?
This is a franchise-altering decision with one of the game’s best players. You have to treat the situation delicately.
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by DownGoesAvery on May 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d give Kovalchuk a one year deal but that’s it. Bottom line, it’s too expensive to keep him AND field a competitive team. We are stuck with too much dead weight for there to be a win-win scenario here.
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by thejerseydevil on May 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
the problem with a one year deal is that, for Kovy, it’d be an obscenely high cap hit. Most long-term deals are scaled up or down (or both, like a bell curve) to keep the cap hit low. A one-year deal loses that flexibility, so you’d be stuck with $7-8M on the cap in 2010-11 where a long-term deal might only net a $6.5-7.5M cap number.
if this weren’t Marty’s last few seasons I’d say no way Lou games the cap a la Hossa/Pronger – I can’t imagine that loophole will stay open when the current CBA expires and I imagine Lou is forward-thinking enough to not want to be stuck with an albatross if the loophole gets closed. That said, the Devils are in win-now mode – maybe Lou is willing to risk the possibility of getting bit down the road for a chance to win while Marty’s still playing…?
Long term deals are the way to go. Hossa’s contract pays most of his salary early on in the contract, and his cap hit is only $5.233 mil. Remember, a few years ago the Oilers offered him 9 years $81 mil. This contract is a steal in comparison to the oilers’ offer
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed, however the difference is that Hossa is 31 and Kovalchuk is 27.
Hossa is far less likely to play out the 12 year contract he signed, and is far more likely to only play about half of it… so the small payout at the end is essentially a “Hossa Tax” of sorts Chicago has to pay.
Kovalchuk is far more likely to play 3/4+ of a 12 year contract, so the question becomes, would he accept a deal that went something like 9 9 9 8 7 5 4 4 3 3 3 3 where he’d “only” be earning 4m when he’s 35 and probably still had something left to give?
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Why would we want to re-sign Rod Pelley?
I don’t get it, everyone seems to include him in the “people we want to re-sign” list, but he stunk up the place and we had to go get Rob Niedermayer. He belongs in the AHL! I’d rather have Josefson on the third line than Pelley, and I’d rather have someone who can hit on the fourth line.
He is a very nice guy though.
Pelley played better on the fourth line this past season than Nieds did on the third line.
by undersuspicion426 on May 26, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s included by default because typically, we will re-sign all our RFAs. I could live with or without him, bottom line he’s cheap enough and gives us some depth up the middle. But would we notice if he was gone? Probably not.
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by thejerseydevil on May 26, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, he is a great insurance to have, but he should be signed to a two-way contract and we shouldn’t assume that he will start in the NHL, in my opinion.
Definitely agree with you there…I’m still waiting on him being “the next John Madden.” But we’ve also not been very deep at the center position lately. So now with Josefson coming in already a great two-way center, and any free agents we might sign, Pelley will either step up and earn his roster spot or lose it.
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by thejerseydevil on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
See Ya Kovy!
I feel Kovalchuk should be the odd man out. It would be awesome though if we don’t opt to resign him, then he goes to the KHL, so it wouldn’t be that harsh of losing him to another NHL team.
If he were to sign with the KHL, would we get anything back, such as money, or something of that matter?
by Marty's Better #30 on May 26, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
Not unless there was some unknown, unpublicized and, so far as I know, unprecedented stipulation to the trade.
In other words: no.
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i thought the khl was having finaciial problems.
by Imperator_Celtic on May 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow surprised at how many people want to trade Salvador. He’s been solid since he’s been here. Maybe he is slightly overpaid but its not that bad.
Whoever voted Clarkson is a terrorist.
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by thejerseydevil on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the upgrades possible with his less than astronomic salary wouldn’t be so great, but could be at least a slight upgrade, which is why I included him.
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You left out Mottau though, which is probably a good thing because everyone would have just voted for him.
Mottau made under a million, you don’t exactly secure a lot of space if he walks.
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by John Fischer on May 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mottau is a good deal for the devils,he almost deserves more for being the eternal scape goat.
by Imperator_Celtic on May 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Everybody craps on Mottau, but how can we complain when he makes half a mil? He was one of our best PKers and was second amongst defensemen in points.
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by LangsForPres on May 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we can fill his roster spot with someone who costs just as much but is a lot younger and a lot more effective.
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by thejerseydevil on May 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was as hard on Mottau as anyone, but in hindsight we can see that he was actually more effective than we thought (check out the 5-on-5 charts).
Not saying he’s the answer, or that he didn’t suck for long stretches last year and deserve lots of criticism (because he did)… but when he’s used properly (I maintain that he struggled in 09-10 because he was playing too many minutes too high up the depth chart), he’s worth the pittance he earns as a solid 3rd pairing defenseman who can perform spot duty on the 2nd pairing.
I’m all for having some younger, faster, hungrier kids come up and play on the team next year, but in moderation. The thought of White, Salvador, Greene, Martin and Fraser Eckford or whomever being our top 6 scares the bejeebus out of me.
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With all of these posts against Kovy
I am seeing more and more on why Kovy should leave.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, the key reason is financial. I’d love to see him back, and was excited about the trade when it happened. But the Devils would likely be a better team using that money on 2 players in positions of need, upgrading the defense and a #2 center.
By the way, I just voted for Kovy too. And the 3 people who suggested 2 or more players; who and why?
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After glancing the roster and cap numbers. Its not far fetched they could sign all three.
8 spots to fill 15 million. Minus the 3 in the title of the post that leaves 5 spots that will be at or around league minimum. so say 3 million.
so 12 million for Kovy, Clarkson and Martin
I’m would guess Clarkson is going to get 1-1.5 million…..
10.5 ish for Martin and Kovalchuk. Its going to depend on Martins market value more so then what our cap space is.
My main points of concern are defense and a guy who brings snarl to the lineup. What do you guys think of a prospect of Bertuzzi coming to NJ. As well as say a Hamhuis. I understand these two don’t improve our center spot but if we cut Kovalchuk’s salary as well as Zubrus we could add Plekanec and Cullen and probably still have a little for roster fillers. Just Kovalchuk and Zubrus saves us in the neighborhood of 11 million. for Bertuzzi and Hamhuis your looking at maybe 4.5 million total. Plekanec maybe 4.5 and Cullen in the neighborhood of 1.5 leaving approx. enough for a minimum contract with just kovy and Zubrus’ salaries off the books. Obviously these are just guesses to what money the above mentioned players would accept for a contract. Then if we could move one more guy we would free cap for Martin. The hardest part i see is what we would give up for these guys to come to NJ. That would probably make these trades far beyond unlikely.
Unfortunately it will be impossible to get Zubrus or Rolston off of our books. Their contracts are just too outrageous. Granted, Zubrus has actually been effective from time to time whereas Rolston is right up there with Scott Gomez for worst contract in the NHL as compared to ability and production level.
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by thejerseydevil on May 27, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
By Bertuzzi you mean Todd?
He’s not a bad player but his age hurts… Hes 34 years old and Zubie is 31. I like Bertuzzi but would he come to the Eastern Conference? If we cut Kovy’s salary then it probably frees up almost 8 million. Zubrus’s 3.4 million and probably Mottau’s, Nieds, Shanny’s, Pikks, Skoula, and Murphy for a combined total of about 15 million dollars. We need 2 centers or (1), 2 defenseman, and a goaltender. Cullen would probably want almost 3 million, Martin would want about 4.8 million, Plekanec would want close to 6 maybe 5.5 million, Hamhuis about 3 million. Your already almost at 15 million. And you have to sign Eckford, Davis, and Co.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 26, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
This is more focused on the money
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Just my 2 cents
I did a few figures and came up with this: (all are per year numbers)
Pelley for 900K,Fraser and Eckford for 600K each, McAmmond for 500K, Sign UFA Slater for 1.3M. That leaves a slim 400K of Cap Space.
With that said, this would be what I would do should those be the moves made.
Parise-Zajac-Zubrus
Kovalchuk-Elias-Zharkov
Rolston-Slater-Langenbrunner
Leblond-McAmmond-Pelley
Martin-White
Greene-Salvador
Fraser-Eckford/Salmela
This ofcourse is really just a keep the team as-is and not signing many FA’s (Slater being the lone one)
by PhillyNJD9Fan30 on May 27, 2010 2:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Add on to my last comment
As much as I would love to keep Kovy, I believe it’s in the teams best interest to NOT keep him and spread his 6-8M around to Clarkson, a good Dman (Hamhuis/Corvo?) and maybe a 2nd or 3rd pairing Dman.
A defense of
Martin-White
Hamhuis-Greene
Fraser-Salvador
would be a HUGE upgrade from this years.
by PhillyNJD9Fan30 on May 27, 2010 2:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like those lines BUT
I like those lines, but I feel Elias should play on his favored wing on the third line. You may say what!, Elias on the third line. At first it seems weird, but these could be the lines:
Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Zubrus-(?)-Palmieri
Elias-Rolston-Clarkson
Leblond-Malhotra(?)-Pelly
Here is we can now get a center for the second line, we have three capable lines of scoring. Rolston, center, on the third line, is good for him, because he played there in the past.
And since we don’t sign Kovalchuk, we have more money for a center and D-Man.
And also, since we have scorers on three lines, that changes the Devil’s culture of playing defense against the other teams offense, instead implementing offense against offense.
by Marty's Better #30 on May 27, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
In agreeance for the most part but how about this?
I completely agree with PhillyNJD on the first line of Parise-Zajac-Zubrus. I feel that these three mesh together the best and would be the most productive top line configuration on the team. I do not believe Kovy will sign. I do not think Langenbrunner fits on the first line and does belong at most on the second line with Elias. Rolston and Clarkson have always played well together so them on the third line could be a good pick. Leblond and Pelley on the fourth line.
As far as defense, our biggest goal should be to re-sign Martin. He is the leader of our defense by far and I think it is crucial to keep him on the first pairing. Also agree that we need another solid defenseman such as Hamhuis, and keep him on a separate line than Martin in order to spread the talent out!
A few thoughts
What if Martin does not want to stay here? The talk on this page is that he is not thinking about his other options considering he might be able to get more than we can offer. We have not gone anywhere since he came up, not his fault but I think maybe we are out of range, maybe we should rebuild, but we have dead weight that is preventing this.
People keep calling us contenders but we cannot make it past the first round, even though we are still feared and I believe we had what it took this year and thats what is frustrating. I still believe if it is reasonable we should try to sign Kovalchuk long term, he is young and scores 40 a year, but I think we are trapped.
Which one is hardest to replace?
It is very easy to say “let this guy walk, he costs too much”. Two better questions (at least to me) is which one will be most difficult to replace, and which one will be most expensive to replace? The way I see it:
- David Clarkson is the most affordable of the three, by far. He’ll get a raise from what he currently makes, and he’s restricted (which means he’s less likely to go). He’s also young, and has the most room to improve. I could see him as a 20-25 goal scorer with steady playing time (second line and PP) if he’s healthy and doesn’t regress or let his physical play keep him in the box for extended periods. There’s no good reason to let him walk, especially in today’s NHL where you need good, cheap, young players to compete. On the bright side, young agitators with a little offensive prowess are common in this league, so it isn’t like Lou can’t unearth another Clarkson somewhere.
- Paul Martin is a fine defenseman…. but we all figure he’ll probably require a minimum of $4 million / season to re-sign, and probably more (I’m thinking $5-6 million per, given what else is on the market). Is he the best d-man out there? In a lot of ways, yes. Is replacing him going to be easy? Absolutely not, but there are other reasonable defensemen out there, and the Devils do an excellent job of developing players to step in on the blue line. Andy Greene may not be able to do everything Martin does, but he can do a lot of it, and at a reasonable price. The money saved by not re-signing Paul Martin can be used to sign a replacement and spread some around to other guys. I think the Devils can get past losing Martin without losing too much overall.
- Ilya Kovalchuk is clearly the premiere player out on the market, and will take a ton of money to re-sign (I’m thinking $7-8 million per, in the least). He’s also the player for whom there isn’t a good way to replace — internally there’s no one who can do what he does or they’d already be here, while externally there isn’t an equivalent option on the FA market because those guys are normally re-signed before they get there. Say what you will about the guy, but he’s a point-per-game producer, which is not a common commodity around the league. If Kovalchuk walks, you’re asking for a lot of guys to step up their games to make up for his production…. and I don’t know that you can get that from this roster. Elias and Langenbrunner are getting older, and it is difficult to assume they could improve their numbers from where they currently are. Zubrus, for all that we’ve loved him recently, has never put up big offensive numbers. Rolston appears to be nothing close to the player we thought we were getting. Asking one of the “kids” to do it (not counting Zajac and Parise) is putting a huge burden on them.
Long story short, I believe the one player the Devils can’t afford to lose is Kovalchuk. Not so much the money issue, but because he cannot be adequately replaced.
Clarkson was on a 20-25 goal pace this past season before his injury, which was unfortunate because he looked ready to break out into a 50 point player with some snarl. He’ll definitely be back because of his RFA status.
Martin is going to require a minimum of $5 million to resign since he made (Im pretty sure) $4.8 on his last contract and he’ll get a raise.
I agree with your assessment of Kovalchuk and would add that by keeping him we can start this team on its new direction, post-Brodeur. Broduer will likely retire in the next few years, Langs and Elias are getting up there in years too. If we can manage to keep Kovy, Parise, and Zajac on the team we should be in good shape. The issue is the cap room this season and next season, since Parise will likely be getting a big deal as well.
I don’t think anyone can deny Kovalchuk’s ability hes a heck of a forward no question. I also like the prospect of having Parise, Kovalchuk, Zajac, i’d also say Clarkson for further down the road. Lets just look at all the aging guys Devils got we need to lock up our young guys for long terms. Lets see guys like Salvador is closing in on 35 White is near there too. Rolston over 35, Pando, Nieds, Brodeur, Elias, Langs. You figure close to maybe 3-5 years they will all probably be retired. Not to mention aside from Elias i think they will al be gone once there current contracts run out. Perhaps Brodeur will have one more good year left after his contract ends, which is possible he is an absolute mule as far as his physical shape and his abiltiy to play so many games in net and play so well which we all are blessed to witness ever night he suits up for goal.
Curiosity
Just out curiosity here, but how much are the Devils on the hook for Kovalchuks salary till he becomes a free agent and how much cap space will be freed up for the Devils when he becomes a UFA?
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Kovalchuk puts people in the seats. 8 sellouts came after Kovy came, Kovy also increased our goals per game, I believe he’ll stay for 3 years or so.
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I think Kovalchuk looks for a “lifetime” contract, and someone will give it to him. There’s no reason for him to sign a short deal and risk a serious injury when he can set himself up for life the way many other elite (and elite wannabe) players have. He has all the leverage, because he’s clearly the best player on the market, plus young and good enough that you could build a team around him.
My guess is that he signs a seven or eight-year deal…. it might be a little on the front-loaded end, but someone is going to fork over a truckload of cash for his services.
Theres really no contending team that can do that except for the Devils
Who can give him 9 million for a ton of years? Although I am not for it, Ranger fans seem to be. lol ha ha ha you should see what they are saying on blueshirtbanter. Wow.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 29, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the structure of the deal.
The Kings have some space and while they may not be considered contenders, they’ve (unlike Atlanta) taken steps forward and shown a desire to contend. He and they may both feel that he is the missing piece to make them contenders.
Regardless, a savvy team can make it work, even if they don’t have a ton of space. $70m over 12 years works out to a very manageable cap hit of $5.8 per year. $80m over the same is a still manageable $6.66m. He’s 27 now, so something like a 12 year deal would set him up for, very likely, the rest of his career… and if the last few years are a pittance, the front-loading of all the cash might be appealing.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
What if I ask you…. Would you ratgher sign Kovalchuk and fill the stands and neglect the other positions needed to fill? OR. Would you not sign Kovalchuk and bolster up on centers and defense and maybe get close to a sellout for whom they sign?
Now remember that Kovy was on the team for another first round playoff loss.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Kovalchuk needs to go and I’ll tell you why. I’m not going to crap on Kovalchuk and go on a rant, it comes down to the fact of who can be more easily replaced, him or Martin. Martin, is a top defenseman in this years FA pool. Yes, there are guys like Corvo, and Hamhuis and others, but what happens if we, hypothetically, dont get our hands on any of them? That leaves you with Greene and White/Salvador as the top pairing, and with White’s eye that can’t happen. With Kovalchuk, if he walks, everyone instantly turns to Patrick Marleau. This isn’t NHL 10, these people have feelings. Will Marleau want to come to the smaller market? Will he want to deal with the process of Brodeur leaving in two years? Who knows? If we don’t get Marleau, you can get a Chris Higgins or a Matthew Cullen as well as even someone like Afinogenov. Zubrus was one of the most effective players in the series against the Flyers, and I think a line of Elias-Cullen-Zubrus could work out nicely. Beside, you have many more young offensemen with potential then defenseman, where after Fraser and Eckford, it drops off a tad.
Case and point, Kovy is easier to replace.
by Terrance Doyle on May 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just playing Devils’ advocate here, but if:
Martin, is a top defenseman in this years FA pool
is good enough reason to argue for keeping him, then a little alteration:
MartinKovalchuk, is a topdefensemanforward in this years FA pool
should be good enough to argue the other side, too.
Kovalchuk is a 40+ goal, 80 point scorer. There are lots of reasons to argue for or against his being retained by the Devils, but his replaceability isn’t one of them. There isn’t a free agent out there that can replace him.
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I have to agree about Kovalchuk not being replaceable.
Kovy leaving NJ would be the equivalent to Ovechkin leaving Washington or Crosby leaving Pittsburgh. Would rather replace Martin with the likes of Foster or Colaiacovo, then try to fill Kovy’s spot something that wouldn’t be possible in my opinion.
by KingHellfire on May 31, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.fromtherink.com/2010/4/20/1432444/2009-2010-nhl-attendance
Games were shown in more households in San Jose, and attendance was higher, the Devils only play the Rangers so much.
As a side note, Marleau’s wife is from South Beach I believe, and he’s been quoted as saying he’s “put down roots” in San Jose and such.
Do i want him, if Kovy walks, of course. I’m just assuming the worst, I suppose.
by Terrance Doyle on May 31, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
well, once again, im an idiot, as the Devils were shown in more households. Regardless, i’m being a pessimist I suppose.
by Terrance Doyle on May 31, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions
Puck Daddy included this in his links. Great job
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 31, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
Cool. Although he made it look like a negative perspective, but, what the hey, all publicity is good publicity, huh?
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by John Fischer on May 31, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Wyshynski wrote it in Lambert’s absence.
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Wysh seems to enjoy giving snark towards his favourite team though.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't he like the Flyers?
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 31, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You being sarcastic? Wysh isn’t close to being a Flyers fan
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 31, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
O I just thought since all the make fun of Marty stuff he wouldn't be a Devils fan... I really don't read Wysh's stuff.
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by RolliePollieKovy on May 31, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I get for assuming.
Sorry Ryan.
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by John Fischer on May 31, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey we just got advertised!!!!!!
"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."- Tiger Woods
by RolliePollieKovy on May 31, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
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