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New Jersey's Next Goalie

I'm sure many of us have been watching Les Habs and the Penguins. Jaroslav Halak has been unconscious in net for Montreal. This has made Carey "Jesus" Price expendable. Price was once the golden boy in Montreal but the pressure of playing in the hockey hot bed of Montreal finally got to him.

After looking at Price's contract situation his contract is up after this season. He also only makes 850k base salary with incentives bringing it near 2 million. Now I know that seems like a lot for a back-up goalie who will only play sporadically, but Marty isn't getting younger. He has two years left on his contract.

The Devils could promote from Lowell but those goalies have a combined total of zero NHL games. Wouldn't it be better to have a young goalie who has shown flashes of brilliance, and because of that might make the Devils next head coach think twice about resting Brodeur.

I think it would be a mistake to just promote a goalie in 2012 when Brodeur is 40 and his contract runs up. Make Brodeur stick around one more year to groom the new goalie. Grabbing Price now while he is available and expendable might be the better option.

This all depends on whether Price would be willing to play tops forty games over the next two seasons to have a starting job. However, the further the Canadiens go riding Halak the less likely Price will regain his starting job. His age, 22, is at his advantage, he has the luxury of waiting two years. The Devils must also be willing to pay more for a back-up now to have him in their system in two years, and also if that flash of brilliance can come back or Price is a headcase who was just that, a flash in the pan.

I personally believe Price caved under the pressure of the Canadien press and would be suited better here in New Jersey were hockey is fourth fiddle in term of team sports and second fiddle in terms of hockey teams. The Devils defensive style is also beneficial to any goalie. Look at Clemmenssen last year and this year.

Maybe I am kidding myself but since our season ended prematurely I have to find something to occupy myself.  I look forward to your opinion.

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I’d stay away from Price. He may be talented and all, but from Halak taking his starting job this season, it just shows Price isn’t the hardest working goalie out there.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it..

You think Price isn’t working hard? Look at the game footage of when he played in the playoffs. Halak is a better goaltender but would you rather have Price or Yann Danis? Price. Or maybe Manny Fernandez? Price again.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it was last year mainly. He was the starting goalie to begin the season, and he basically spent more time partying than actually caring about hockey. Him being an “all-star” means nothing, he got voted in by the fans (see: Fitzpatrick, Rory). Price isn’t worth the investment or time, especially since he’s not going to be doing much behind Brodeur

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 7, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the all star I know

Everyone from Montreal was in the game.. Have fun paying Danis every single year for 10 games..

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 7, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remain unconvinced that Brodeur needs to rest more – I have yet to see how he has lost anything in the playoffs. Even if he has, I do not think that has anything to do with being overplayed. He doesn’t look bad at the end of the season. It is very fashionable to say that Brodeur is overplayed, but I have yet to see any effect on his game.

I wish the fans and the dumb press who never even watch a Devils game would be happy about the fact that we can save salary cap space by having a $500k back-up every year. Besides, what’s the point in paying Price the high salary he is going to command on the market even if he does play 20 games a year, when Frazee is likely a better goaltender?

by banstyk on May 7, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you

Devils need to find real shut down D guys like they had in Stevens and Daneyko (ok I forgot how to spell it)

by Rickfansince76 on May 7, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to do with resting Marty

It has to do with preparing his successor for being the #1. I don’t think many people here would argue with you. Marty looked solid at the end of the season. But its not about Marty.

What happens in two years assuming Marty retires? Do we throw Frazee in full time after playing in the minors and starting maybe a handful of NHL games? Granted, I haven’t seen Frazee play (unless he played one of the Lowell games at the Rock, then I have), nor am I saying Price is the ultimate answer, but I don’t think paying a little more to have a guy who can play 20 or more games in a season is such a bad idea.

If Andrew Peters ever plays again it will be too soon.

by LangsForPres on May 7, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Marty’s successor is on the roster right now, or even in the system. For that matter, I’m not sure Marty’s successor is even in the NHL at this point.

We don’t know how much longer Marty is going to play, and how much longer he can perform at such a high level. He’s still one of the elite goaltenders in the league, and I don’t see any particular reason to worry about “the next goalie” while the current one is just fine. Once the end of the road is clearly in sight, that’s when it becomes time to start worrying about the new guy. A lot of “Marty’s successor” types have come through the organization, and Lou has even used a couple of first-round picks on goalies during Brodeur’s tenure.

So long as the backup is only going to play 10-20 games a season, we can live with a journeyman…. heck, with the system the Devils play, a journeyman can hold the fort for a year if necessary (see Clemmensen, Scott).

by acasser on May 7, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see any particular reason to worry about "the next goalie" while the current one is just fine.

Such is the thinking of those who often find themselves wishing, in retrospect, that they’d planned ahead better.

Injury is always a possibility, even to one of the most durable goalies of all time.

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by elesias on May 7, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carey Price will probably go somewhere this offseason where he has a chance of starting. I’d highly doubt he’ll want to be a backup for 2+ years to maybe be the goalie here. Also I hate Price and I think he’s an average goalie.

I don’t know anything about Frazee because I’ve never seen him play a game. I don’t think the job would be his automatically but he is the only goalie prospect we have. Getting another young goalie this offseason would probably be a good idea.

by C.J. Richey on May 7, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Interestingly, Gabe at Behind the Net makes a case that it should be Halak that is traded. He’d get more value in a deal for Montreal, and Price’s save percentage at even strength isn’t that much worse than Halak’s was in this past season – he’d give them a consistently good performance.

Given this playoff run, Halak definitely won’t get moved and if I were the Montreal GM, I wouldn’t move Halak either. I also wouldn’t give Price to a team in my own conference if I could help it, either (need a goalie, Dallas?).

Do I think the Devils need to go after Price or some other goaltender to “groom?” I don’t think so. I’m not sure who will be on the market in 2012, but rather than throwing a relatively inexperienced goaltender into the giant pads Brodeur may leave behind after 2012, I’d prefer a veteran signing as a stop-gap. Someone who everyone will initially know right off the bat what he can do and that he’s not Martin Brodeur.

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by John Fischer on May 7, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

According to nhlnumbers.com these are the goalies that are UFA in 2012.....

1- Martin Brodeur- 5.2 million
2- Pekka Rinne- 4.0 million 11/12 salary
3- Cristobal Huet- 5.6 million 11/12 salary
4- Scott Clemmensen- 1.5 million 11/12 salary
5- Brent Johnson- .600 million 11/12 salary

According to all of these goalies Rinne I think would be the goalie to go after.
Heres a link if there isn’t one above…
http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=G&summer=2012&status=ufa&type=none

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 7, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooorrrrrrr

Look at the list of RFA’s. The top name looks mighty interesting and Tim Thomas is locked up through 2013.

Player Age Team Pos 2012 FA Status 11/12 Cap Number 11/12 Salary Comment
Rask, Tuukka 26 BOS G RFA 1.250 1.500 Signed extension
Janus, Jaroslav 23 TBL G RFA 0.657 0.660
Pielmeier, Timo 23 ANA G RFA 0.767 0.650
Gistedt, Joel 25 PHX G RFA 0.735 0.610
Holtby, Braden 23 WAS G RFA 0.662 0.600
Tokarski, Dustin 23 TBL G RFA 0.697 0.600

http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=G&summer=2012&status=rfa&type=salary

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 7, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish getting Rask now was as easy as getting him when he was just a prospect….

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 7, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why I didn't include the RFA's.....

Everyone except Rask hasn’t had NHL experience.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 8, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huet makes more than Brodeur? I know Brodeur deferred money, but that still surprises me.

There may be a few more on that list over the next few seasons. I doubt Nashville’s going to let Rinne walk without an extension unless he starts faltering.

Maybe 2011 can be the “Get a replacement ready” year?

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by John Fischer on May 7, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Chicago just throws money at guys

Which isn’t a bad thing right now but over 5 million for a backup? Crazy.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 7, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow… this thread got me thinking ahead to 2012 when Brodeur is likely to retire, and that is not a pretty thought at all. The guy that the team was built around for 15 years…….. sigh

Anywho, do I think Price is a potentially-great goalie? Yes, for shizzle. Do I like his attitude off the ice, with the partying and all? Hell no. And just for that, I don’t think he’d be a good fit with the Devils. The organization has always demanded maturity and responsibility from everyone involved, top to bottom.

The replacement? Who knows. In Lou We Trust.

by Jago on May 7, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the Devils are a perfect fit for him to keep him in line, and turn him into a mature, responsible, team first hockey player.

He does have the potential to be a good goalie (not Marty, no one will be as far as I’m concerned), so why not be with an organization that can make him a great one..

by Matthew Ventolo on May 7, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carey Price, huh?

Here are two goalie’s stats, playing in front of the same Montreal team. I’ll let you guess which one is Price.

GP GS W L OT SA ….GA GAA Sv ….Sv% SO G A PIM TOI
45 43 26 13 5 1386 105 2.40 1281 0.924 5 ..0 0 0 ….2,629:56
41 39 13 20 5 1244 109 2.77 1135 0.912 0 ..0 1 8 ….2,358:21

Give Danis a small raise and let him start 10 games. No reason to spend $2M on Price, for someone who won half as many games as his counterpart in just a few less starts.

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 7, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense, but....

….are we seriously looking at who is going to be a free agent in two years and trying to judge which one we want now? I think you make a couple of assumptions that don’t hold any water on that.

  • You assume that Marty is going to decline significantly in two years, or even retire at that point.

Maybe he does…. and maybe he’s still playing at an effective level and wants to play for a couple more years beyond that. If Chris Chelios can be an effective defenseman into his mid-40s, I don’t see why Marty can’t do the same at goalie if he’s in shape and doesn’t get hurt. Maybe not at 70-75 games a year, but I don’t see why he couldn’t handle more typical #1 goaltending usage (55-60?). If that’s the case, I don’t know how many of those guys would come in to play 25-30 games a season as a backup.

  • You assume it is a case of picking your goalie and he will come.

Alas, this isn’t a fantasy draft with the Devils holding the first pick. Just because you’d want a certain guy to come in, either to start or to understudy, doesn’t mean he will. Maybe another team throws more money at him. Maybe he’d rather play somewhere else. Maybe he signs a contract extension first and never hits the market.

  • You also assume all those goalies are still going to be desirable in two years.

Two years is a long time for someone’s value to change. Ask the Rangers how well that highly paid UFA class of 2007-08 (Drury, Gomez, Redden, Roszival) is working out for them. Ask Chicago if they’re happy that they threw all that money at Huet and Campbell, ask Philadelphia what they think of overpaying Briere, or Boston how they feel about that big contract they just handed Timmy Thomas. Players can suddenly get a lot better or a lot worse, or even hit by a truck.

Unless there’s someone out there who knows for a fact that Marty is gone in two years, I don’t see any reason to put so much time and effort into the goaltending situation, when the Devils have more pressing problems to fix. Yes, it is nice to have a safety net and a plan in place, but there are way too many unknowns to navigate first. Besides, if Marty gets hurt again, we almost have to hope to catch lightning in a bottle the way we did with Clemmensen. At the time, did anyone really believe a journeyman with eight career NHL wins (at the time, and no more than three in a single season) was going to come in and be the answer?

I say draft and develop a guy (or two) who can be the short-term fix, and worry about a long-term answer when there’s a better idea of when an answer is needed.

by acasser on May 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok good points but....

Chelios isn’t a Goaltender. Chelios isn’t even GOOD at his level now. Your really that in love with with Marty? I mean we all should be but c’mon you want him in goal at the ages of 40-45?! What good does that leave us with? I doubt Marty will continue to put 45+ wins in the next 2 years or if he does were in trouble for the playoffs again…. Ask the Rangers? Really? They always make those moves either on July 1st or at the deadline. They think they made their team better and sure as hell WE did when they got all those players. You don’t know. Obviously Redden was terrible but Gomez didn’t have an “Elias or Gionta” he had no one. Drury is getting overpaid but when he hit the market he was a great player. You can’t deny that. He deserved some of that money but it just didn’t work out. He’s still efective on the PK and the sometimes the PP. Good on faceoffs too. And as for Thomas… You think the Bruins management knew Thomas would faulter in the season. He just won the VEZINA Trophy!!! I say draft Conz.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 8, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course Chelios is no longer the player he once was…. he’s 48 now! Still, he was an effective player well into his 40s, and with a team that could afford to go out and replace him if he wasn’t. We’ve seen goalies who are effective at that age as well (not elite, but effective) — and if Marty is still going to be better than the league average four years from now, I’d take that over something more of an unknown.

Supply and demand always drive prices out of whack on the free agency market. That’s why it is an inefficient method (at best) to procure talent, as you’re paying for a combination of past performance and future potential, and doing it competing with twenty-nine other teams in a free-for-all. When looking at the elite UFAs, the list of successes is far shorter than the list of failures. Lou’s track record of spectacular busts disappointments in this area is quite evident for all of us to see, so it isn’t an avenue by which I’d prefer to address this situation.

My Rangers point was that they’ve viewed free agency as their panacea, and it hasn’t worked out that way. They gave Redden and Roszival huge money, and they’d just as soon shoot them give those two away now if there were any takers. Drury’s contract makes him impossible to trade, and he makes a lot more than Rolston (who is our whipping boy). They couldn’t get rid of Gomez fast enough. I don’t care how good they were when they hit the market, paying for past performance and not for what you’re going to get is a good way to handicap yourself in the new NHL.

With Tim Thomas, you just made my point for me. He was wonderful, and got that new contract, and now he’s a $5 million/year backup that Boston would probably like to trade this summer in return for some help in other areas. Everyone clamoring that we ought to sign Pekka Rinne or Tukka Rask in 2012 has to hope for the elite goaltending we’re seeing in the here and now, which quite possibly isn’t going to be the case for one or both of them…. assuming of course you can even get your hands on one of them.

I can live with drafting a goalie this year and grooming him for the job, although to be honest I don’t pay much attention to eligible draftees. I’m of the opinion that the Devils have at least two years to worry about a successor, maybe more, and that overpaying for someone else’s goalie is not an immediate need (or the answer). The Devils have had a sound defensive system for many years, even if they don’t have the elite blueliners anymore, so I’m not sold that you need a world-class goalie behind it — just a pretty good one.

by acasser on May 8, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that Lou can get Rinne and Rask just like that...

We’ll be lucky to get one of those or any. This will be Frazee’s and Parise’s team in the future if Parise signs and Frazee is what we expect he will be.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll bet you anything Brodeur signs a 2-year deal after 2012 with NJ. I get the sense he’s playing into his 40s just like Hasek.

by Zelepukin on May 8, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Also agree. Marty has two years left and I don’t see him declining all of a sudden and not being worthy of being in net. Yes, he probably won’t play 78 games a year then, but unless he retires, he isn’t going to all-of-a-sudden fall apart.

by yard_sale on May 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanley Cup

If the Devils win the Cup in the next 2 years, I could easily see Marty retiring when his contract is up. I mean, what else does he have to prove? Every major goalie record he doesn’t have is pretty much unreachable (minus playoff shutouts..he needs 1 more). If they fail to win one in the next 2 years, he will probably sign 1 year deals after for a couple years, and knowing Marty, he’ll take another pay cut so he can get the best possible team in front of him to win the Cup (probably around 3.5mil/yr).

I don’t have a problem with getting a goalie now and molding him for when Marty eventually leaves, but the Devils don’t have the cap room for it. As much as everyone was playing GM and signing some big names (including myself), I feel Lou is going to be bringing up a good amount of youth next season, some need to be resigned (Pelley, Fraser, Eckford, Sestito). Martin or another good defender is getting (re)signed, and probably a center that half the fans may not agree with. I understand bringing up youth would save some money, but with 16m in cap space and only 14* NHL contracts, is there room for a 2-3 mil/yr goalie? I think not.

As of now for the 2011-2012 season per CapGeek, the Devils have 8 roster players with a 30mil payroll (including Marty 5.2m, Rolston, 5m, White 3m, Salvador 2.9m all on their last years of their contracts). For any contracts signed this year that aren’t 1yr deals and Parise getting signed to a monster contract, I just don’t see the room for a quality goalie at a reasonable price this year, when there are other positions at need (goalie is probably the least).

  • - I’m counting Davison’s contract and not Zharkov’s or PL3.

by Matthew Ventolo on May 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t have a problem with getting a goalie now and molding him for when Marty eventually leaves

Um, how many goalies have we seen on the team falling under that label? Doesn’t that list go all the way back to Mike Dunham?

I do agree with the sentiment that the cap simply doesn’t allow for a team to stockpile two goalies. It is easy enough to find a veteran at the trade deadline if one feels the team really needs one, and without suffering the cap hit and the ego issues. If you bring in a hotshot kid (like Price) or a vested veteran, there could be friction in the locker room over playing time, and that’s the last thing the team needs. Yann Danis and Kevin Weekes fit as well as they did because they understood they were being paid a low figure to practice and otherwise wear a baseball cap most of the season. There aren’t a lot of goalies who will accept that — no need to run off the ones who do.

by acasser on May 8, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a problem with getting a goalie now and molding him for when Marty eventually leaves

How many goalies have we seen on the team falling under this label? I would think the number is low from what I remember. Getting a goalie in Dunham 2 rounds later than Marty isn’t molding him to be a long term #1 after Marty retires. He played from 96-98 and left due to the expansion draft. Same goes for Corey Schwab who was also drafted in 1990 (10th round).

Some backups I remember since Marty had the #1 spot:
It wasn’t Clemmer, who played 01-02; 03-07; 08-09.
It wasn’t Weekes.
Sure wasn’t Terreri, or Vanbiesbrouck

Damphousse was a 1st round pick but was traded (Sykora/Friesen trade).
Ari Ahonen (was at that draft party as a kid) was a 1st round pick and a complete bust.
Every other goalie was drafted 5th round or worse..not exactly “the next in line.”

So yes, that number is very low.

by Matthew Ventolo on May 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marty wants

a Conn Smythe before he retires. Let’s hope one of the next two seasons brings him a chance.

by czman007 on May 11, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that too...

He Should have won it 2003 (.934..1.65…7SO). JSG (.945…1.62…5SO..but only 15 wins).

Marty is all about winning, the Conn Smythe would be icing on the cake.

by Matthew Ventolo on May 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giguere won the Conn Smythe that year because he was a smiling happy story for the sportswriters, and they apparantly voted before the Stanley Cup Finals. Marty badly outplayed him in the finals, but I guess the award for “MVP of the Playoffs” really meant “Best Feel-Good Story” or “MVP of the First Three Rounds”.

Marty in the 2003 finals: 3 shutouts, 2 OT losses (one of them 1-0), 1.71 goals against per game and one loss by more than one goal

Giguere in the 2003 finals: 1 shutout, 2.71 goals against per game, four losses by three goals

by acasser on May 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

3 shutouts in 4 wins in the SCF including Game 7 is just insane.

The arguments I remember hearing was actually about the "MVP"part of the award. “Who was more valuable to their respected team?” I could argue for Marty until I’m dead, but the fact that the Ducks weren’t scoring(2.14 GF/G) and the Devils were (2.63 GF/G). The Devils goal-differential was +22 compared to the Ducks +5. Marty was the better goalie, plain and simple, but maybe not the most valuable (whatever haha).

by Matthew Ventolo on May 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the Devils scored 2.63 per game because jigglypuff sucked. How can you be your team’s most valuable player, much less throughout the whole playoffs when you spent one whole round looking average? By the way, I was there and I was one of the ones who boo’d that decision.

Go Jets
Go Devils

by FrankG929 on May 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, a 2.71 GAA in the SCF just isn't good.

Jealous you were there, happy that you booed..you boo that every time. The NHL should make it a rule that a member of the Stanley Cup Championship team shall win the Conn Smythe (Call it crazy if some want, but it’s not like the NHL doesn’t have crazy rules cough-trapezoid-cough). The defeated team has won the Conn Smythe 5 fives (4 were goalies).

by Matthew Ventolo on May 11, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never heard Price groan about playing time....

And I doubt behind Marty Brodeur he would whine. He knows he will be the starter once he retires. Wow I’m saying Price will be a Devil. But who knows?

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 8, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t see the point in this conversation…..at all…….right now.

Until Brodeur shows real signs of slowing down there really isn’t much point in discussing who is going to replace him. Two years is a long time.

by NJDOhio on May 9, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

He slows down in the playoffs...

Isn’t that what matters most?

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, really?

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by John Fischer on May 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’d prefer, you could have Henrik Lundqvist, who received more rest during the regular season and is very, very fresh for the playoffs. You could have Brian Boucher, who wasn’t even the backup in Philadelphia until a whole slew of goalies got hurt. Or you could have a couple of other undesirables.

He’s still at the top of his game. He’s still one of the best goalies on the planet. He still gets the Devils into the playoffs in excellent shape every spring — none of this nailbiting, clinch on the last day of the season or in a shootout sort of thing. And while he hasn’t stolen a playoff series in the last few years, there are a lot of teams out there that would trade places with the Devils, if you assured them they’d at least reach the playoffs every year.

by acasser on May 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its just my judgement

You can really say that they were good or bad goals. But he could be a LITTLE bit better. I mean he wasn’t bad in the playoffs but if he made that one more save it could changed the series.. You can think what you want but thats my view. And we all know Marty probably won’t decline that much in 2 years…

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 9, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

like this one?

That’s a message to the team..“Score more goals” Yeah they lost that game 4-1

by Matthew Ventolo on May 9, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I posted links to videos of each goal for you to make your own judgment.

Also, the Devils were absolutely horrid in their shooting percentage in the playoffs. They didn’t even score more than 10 goals total in the series. I don’t think asking Brodeur not pulling off a Halak-like miracles is evidence of him slowing down.

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by John Fischer on May 9, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know the offense sucked but when offense fails I guess you rely on the goaltender, losing in 5 games tells me some of it (not a lot) is Marty’s fault….

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

To honestly expect Brodeur to allow less than 9 goals in 5 games is totally unreasonable. Even the best goalies still average 2 goals against per game over time. If you feel otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you.

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by John Fischer on May 9, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Bernier

We need to go after Bernier. Plenty of potential. Quick has worked wonders for LA, don’t see why they would get rid of him, which leaves them to get trade Jon

by Marty's Better #30 on May 9, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Luck getting Bernier

Were giving up a hell of a lot =.. You think the Kovy trade was a lot. Think of Frazee, top AHL defenseman, an experienced forward, and a draft pick.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 10, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Think Again

We could always snatch him away when he is a RFA next year.

Sure we wouldn’t be guaranteed him if they match our offer.

And we would have to give up a first round and third round pick, but I would do it.

If Jack Campbell drops all the way down to our 2nd round selection; very unlikely, we should clearly take him.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 10, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Is he worth the RFA price?

Not just overpaying to encourage the Kings not to match. You have to have your own #1, #2, and #3 picks just to make an offer, because that’s what you give up if the other team declines to match. Is he worth those picks? Also, is it worth it to hold on to those picks if you might be able to package some or all of them before then to get something else?

If you don’t have those picks, the threat isn’t really there. You could trade for his rights…. but there isn’t the leverage of making a massive RFA offer to bring the price down. That’s part of why Toronto and Boston finally made the Kessel deal last summer when they did — Toronto swung a trade to get their #2 back from Chicago, so that they had the picks to make an RFA offer if trade talks broke down again.

I would think one would have to be absolutely sold on the guy being your #1 goalie to give up that much. And if you end up whiffing, you’ve got a complete debacle on your hands between the cash and the prospects you could have had.

by acasser on May 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

We probably have a good chance to get

Either Campbell, Pickard, or even Conz. Who would take a goalie in the first round? Or multiple goalies.

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by RolliePollieKovy on May 11, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

i think frazie is going to be a big surprise and be much better then anyone expects.i kinnda think hes going to turn out simular to mike richter.i hope to see him in a few nhl games this year.

by Imperator_Celtic on May 15, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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