Welcome Back Jason Arnott
Arnott Returns
The Devils have traded back for Jason Arnott. In the deal, the Devils send Matt Haliscuk. and a 2011 Second round Pick.
I love the deal. We got our second line center. Elias-Arnott- Rolston is a potent second line, if you ask me.
Will he regain chemistry with Elias.
Is Petr Sykora Next? Probably not, but the seeing the A-Line in action again would be cool.
And if you don't like this move, look at it like this. Instead of rushing Josefson and Henrique to the big show, you give them each a year in the minors to develop and not potentially ruin their development.
Plus, Jason is a big body, can win faceoffs, and put up a good 46 in only 63 games points on a offensive challenged Predators team. Put him back with Elias, and he could put up 50-60 points IF he can stay healthy for most of the season.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this yet...
While I’m glad we have our second line center now, I still thought Halischuk had a future with the Devils and now we gave up our second round pick for 2011 already. Although, I will always love Jason Arnott just for that cup winning goal.
by undersuspicion426 on Jun 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Wow there goes my Seguin rumor. Ha ha great pickup as it seems Nashville is trading away everyone. I think the A-Line is in the past but he would fill the RW spot if Kovalchuk doesn’t re-sign. I am loving Lou this off-season.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Um, he is a center, not a right wing
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, did you mean Sykora? My mistake
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I meant Sykora. But I think he aged to much and is on his way to the KHL sometime. I would rather go after Stempniak, Armstrong, Afinogenov, or Pisani. Or go with Zharkov or another rookie or Clarkson too.
"Goaltending is a normal job, sure. How would you like it in your job if every time you made a small mistake, a red light went on over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you." - Jacques Plante
by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
And can you add the link for this? I am not sure where you got this from.
"Goaltending is a normal job, sure. How would you like it in your job if every time you made a small mistake, a red light went on over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you." - Jacques Plante
by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Nevermind. Found it on Fire and Ice.
"Goaltending is a normal job, sure. How would you like it in your job if every time you made a small mistake, a red light went on over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you." - Jacques Plante
by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Initial reaction: HOLY $&#@!
Second reaction seconds later: Wait, what?!
Third reaction seconds after that: If Elias and Arnott can recapture half of what they had 10 years ago, we’re in good shape.
Fourth reaction: So, um, who’s going to play on this team in 5 years when all of our old players are retired and all of our young players are playing elsewhere?
Fifth reaction happening almost simultaneously with the fourth: Man Lou really does bringing guys back.
Sixth and final reaction: Who cares about the future, we’ve got a legitimate 2nd line Center who brings leadership and size! Whoo hoo!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
that sums it up
I’m with you though, I don’t want to live to see the day where Zajac, Parise and/or Tedenby sign elsewhere. You need to maintain a core. That would be the Stevens/Niedermayer/Daneyko/Elias/Brodeur over the years, only one of those players actually went on to play for another team…so far.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jun 19, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I comment on Fire And Ice a lot. My name is We Need Sam Gagner
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting. I guess he waived his NMC clause, although I’d guess anybody would to get out of Nashville. At $4.5M for one year, it’s not a bad gamble. He might be slowing down a little, only 19 goals last year, but if Rolston could play the right side, Elias-Arnott-Rolston could be quite productive. Maybe just the shot in the arm Brian needs…
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Arnott only played 63 games last year, he missed time due to a variety of minor injuries.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 19, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In the dealing with the Predators category, I’ve got to say:
Devils 1, Flyers 0
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
Hey the Flyers still need to sign Hamhuis. Wouldn’t it be amazing if they didn’t sign him and the Devils swooped in and picked him up. Boy, Philly would be pissed off. Trading Parent and a pick for nothing. ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would get my Hamhuis jersey right away
I was thinking about that today. He’s been on my want list, but realistically, even without Kovy, if we want a shot at Martin, Hamhuis is out of the equation.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jun 19, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone tell me how old is Arnott ? In any case I love this trade since it will give us another scoring line and help pay dividends on the money being paid to Elias & Rolston. Thanks Lou and let’s get another tough defeseman & I like our chances next year with the core players and the kids that will be coming up from the AHL !
Now we have a #2 Center!!!
Welcome home, Mr. Arnott!!!
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Cross it off your list!!! Lets look at defenseman. I guess no more Kaberle then. O well. See you in 2011 Kabs! ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Zdeno Chara
’nuff said.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jun 19, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love to see Chara come to NJ. But his cap hit is just as substantial as Kovy’s if we are to short on money to keep him how could we get Chara.
by KingHellfire on Jun 20, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing that concerns me about this move is Arnott’s durability. He’s played in fewer than 70 games in three of the past five seasons
True, but maybe we can get him back on track!
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he plays in say 65 games, that may give us an opportunity to give Henrique and Josefson some time playing in the NHL. Actually that would probably be an ideal scenario if they both played in the AHL for the year and each got maybe 10 NHL games just to get them some experience and then hope that Arnott is well rested and in full force come playoff time.
Lets face it…we knew Lou wasn’t going to go out and sign a high priced center to a long term deal considering those two guys are in our system, so Arnott on a one year deal is just about ideal. Only other guy I would have like was Koivu, but he is certainly not as big.
by TexasDevilFan on Jun 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He is with MacLean now and can mean moe offense and now you think the Devils could sign a RW (not meaning Sykora). Surprised Eklund didn’t pick this up yet? Ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
And now a good number 25. So long to Peters being #25.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully so long to Peters playing anywhere but Albany also. Even if we have to put him through waivers, would anyone honestly care if someone actually claimed him?
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by thejerseydevil on Jun 19, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
can we all team up and pay his buyout?
It would be less than $200K.
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by DownGoesAvery on Jun 20, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell forget you, I will gladly run up to the bank and buy his contract out myself. ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
Hell I would pay to get rid of him.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Time Will Tell.
I’m not quite sure how I feel about this yet. My immediate reaction is: who did we give up? In this case, it was Matt Halischuk (who was a -4 after 20 games but is only 22 years old) and a 2nd round draft pick in 2011. In exchange , we get the stanley cup game winning center from 2000 who is now 35 years old and put up 46 points in 63 games last year. Do I love Jason Arnott and think he should be considered one of the all time clutch Devils of the past decade? Yes. Do I think it was a good idea to trade away our future for someone who is 35 years old? No. Once again, Lou has gone nostalgic on us and has brought back an old face. With 4.5 million on the table for this year, it was another “win now” move that hopefully pays in dividends next season. But one has to wonder at one point should Lou be more concerned about building the future instead of bringing back the past? I’m up in the air about this right now but I will say this: Arnott was one of my favorite players on the team back in the day and I hope he can produce with Elias like he did in the past.
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Nice move IF
If we let Niedermayer and McCammond and Pandolfo go, absorbing Arnotts cap hit wouldnt be a big deal. Now we need to sign Madden back as the 3rd line center and defensive specialist and let the kids fight it out for the 4th line.
if Lou is filling the obvious center need this way, it may mean there is some light at the end of the tunnel with Kovalchuk and/or Martin.
I wonder if this means a trade involving either Zubrus or Clarkson is forthcoming.
I think the top line of Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner line is going to stay intact. Elias and Arnott will likely be on the second line, but there are three viable candidates to play on the right side: Clarkson, Zharkov, and Zubrus. I don’t think Zharkov is ready to be a second-liner, but I also have trouble seeing him sliding all the way down to the 4th line again.
The two options I see off the top of my head are: 1) Use Clarkson as the RW with Elias and Arnott, and use Zubrus as the 3rd line C between Rolston and Zharkov, OR 2) A trade of either Zubrus or Clarkson, hopefully for a D-man
there are three viable candidates to play on the right side: Clarkson, Zharkov, and Zubrus.
Don’t forget Rolston.
Personally, I see it as between Brian and Dainius (and the thought of Elias having all that room due to the size and respect Arnott and Zubrus will command is fun to think about). Clarkson has that somewhere between 2nd and 3rd line feel to him, and might end up, with Zharkov, making a very effective 3rd (4th?) line that eats up more TOI than a typical one.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
I Would Do:
Langebrunner – Zajac – Parise
Elias – Arnott – Zubrus (who played extremely well last year on the right wing)
Clarkson – Rolston – Zharkov
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Assuming Kovalchuk doesn’t stick around, of course.
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well as long as we’re leaving Kovy out, there will be some cash left to sign 2 out of 3 in Nieds/McAmmond/Pelley to center lines 3-4.
Rollie playing center scares me a bit – he strikes me as the kind of player who needs to be set up for his shot, not the other way around. Dunno if Zharkov is enough of a playmaker to find him consistently (assuming Clarkie parks himself in front of the net, as is his wont).
Kind of what I was thinking, though seeing it written out in front of me makes the thought of Rolston earning $5m to play out of position on the third line makes me cringe.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
Maybe Rolston will get a shot at the 2nd line RW position, with Zubrus centering the 3rd line.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 19, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate the way Rolston’s contract limits the Devils’ flexibility under the cap, I don’t think we can write him off as a total loss just yet.
He probably won’t hit the 30-goal mark again, but I think it’s important to remember that he never had a defined role under Sutter in 08-09 after he came back from the ankle injury, and that even though he showed some productivity with Elias as his C last year, after Elias got hurt against Colorado or Phoenix (I don’t remember which of those two it was), Lemaire started going into crazy line-mixing mode, and Rolston spent the vast majority of the remaining games alongside Niedermayer on the checking line.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 19, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It was colorado where Elias got the concussion he got hit by Ryan Wilson fyi. I personally think though with or without Kovy and the addition of Arnott our offense will be good. Plus i think Maclean realizes the importance of chemistry i don’’t see him doing the ridiculous line juggling that Lemaire did. Agree with me or not but i think Lemaire hurt our offense more than any of our players did. Glad we got someone young and up to date with the times.
by KingHellfire on Jun 19, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lou said there will be more trades to free up cap space for Clarkson and Martin and other FA’s.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Where?
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by John Fischer on Jun 19, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an article by Rich Chere on nj.com. I posted it as a FanShot a little while ago.
http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/06/acquistion_of_jason_arnott_doe.html
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 19, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry about the link.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 19, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lou's comments
on NJ.com thru Rich Chere are pretty surprising to me. I wouldnt think he would flat out say these things (which I agree with of course). But the possible “surprises” concern me. Could this mean Langenbrunner may be shipped out?
"No. You have to do other things to make room," the GM said. "We didn’t win. We’re going to have to make some changes. There are going to be some changes that might surprise some people.
"We definitely will do everything we can. The priority right now is to get David Clarkson signed and Paul Martin signed. And we’ll see what Ilya Kovalchuk’s thought process is."
Could this mean Langenbrunner may be shipped out?
That would definitely count as a surprise.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
It would be especially surprising considering the comments from the day MacLean was hired, about Langenbrunner remaining the captain
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the biggest salaries that the Devils would likely trade are Zubrus ($3.4M) and Salvador ($2.9M). If you consider that Arnott and Zubrus are both power forwards, and Arnott is arguably better; Zubrus could be headed elsewhere. I’m not sure how big a surprise this one is, but who knows….
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I’m prone to agree, but reluctant to do so. Arnott’s recent spat of head injuries have him being a bit less physical than he was when he was younger, which is understandable as many good athlete’s careers have been cut off abruptly by suffering one concussion too many.
He’s still got the size and strength to block guys out and be a puck hog (I drooled at his abilities to do so when the Devils played the Predators this past year), but he throws his body around less often lately and might shy away from contact in front of the net or along the boards.
In reading some of the responses to the trade over at On the Forecheck, many Preds fans complained he took too many plays off. I may be misremembering, but I recall him always being a very hard worker, so I have to wonder if his injuries aren’t having a psychological effect on him.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
And him being the Captain next year but he said Lemaire was the coach next year and he is gone. I know retirement but maybe Lou did know something. I think Langs will be traded at some point in the off-season or during the year. Were not going to sign him after this year and I would rather acquire a young prospect. Just send him to Minnesota and he will waive his NTC. Maybe a Nick Schultz.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Lou’s comments about Lemaire remaining the coach weren’t as definite as his comments about Langenbrunner remaining the captain. When talking about Lemaire, he left a qualifier in his statement, something to the effect that Jacques was still the coach, unless someone knew something he didn’t. There was nothing like that in his statements about Langenbrunner.
And just because Langenbrunner is from Minnesota, doesn’t mean he’ll waive his NTC to go there. The Wild aren’t a Cup contender, and he’s not the missing piece that’s going to put them over the top. As unhappy as he was with how Lemaire did things, he’s got a chance to start over with a new coach. Jaime holds all the leverage here, and if he really wants out, he’s got the power to force the Devils to trade him to a contender, or bide his time and walk after the year.
I’d also be reluctant to declare him gone after the year. If he has a good season, and is willing to re-sign for about 2 mil/year for another 1 or 2 years, I could easily see him staying.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Worry
It just worries me when Lou states something like ‘moves that will surprise’ us are imminent. Because like we are saying here, if Zubrus were to be moved, none of us would be surprised. To be honest, none of our forwards (with the obvious exception of Parise and Zajac) would be a surprise to me if they were moved, if the person would not be Captain Langenbrunner. I dunno, I hope you guys are completely right, and Im worrying over nothing. But I always try to read into what Lou says, he never seems to choose his words incorrectly.
How would you feel about, say, Langenbrunner + Salvador for Tom Poti + rights to Tomas Fleischmann?
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by red army line on Jun 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks… How about Salvador and Langenbrunner for Laich and rights to Corvo? ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll throw in Nylander for good measure!!!
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by red army line on Jun 20, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather not see the Devils deal with the Caps with a player like Langenbrunner involved. Too much potential for Langenbrunner to come back and bite the Devils in the rear end.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather trade with the West, but I can’t see potential partners aside from CHI (for obvious reasons) and LAK (if they don’t land Kovalchuk, they could be interested in Semin).
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by red army line on Jun 20, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Boudreau will be putting him on a line with Ovechkin and Backstrom. Way to dangerous. Hopefully once we trade him, he retires so we only give up Salvador! ha ha yeah right. I feel like its fantasy hockey all over again.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is trying to move the heavy contracts. Not the players that actually contribute something to the team. I think Zubrus, Langenbrunner, Salvador, White, and Rolston are on the chopping block. I think there are a few teams that maybe can figure out Rolston. He still has a big shot as we saw in the playoffs Zubrus is a good 3rd liner with size and strength down the wing and middle, Salvador is a big defender that “stays at home” and protects the lead, Langenbrunner is all leadership who put up pretty good numbers over the past 2 or 3 years, and White is still effective but his hitting has gone down. I think a couple teams would be willing to take atleast one of these players and try to make them their own. Langenbrunner still has a couple years in him too. But you have to take on salary to give salary… I am going to say it again. Minnesota and Colorado seem to be great trade partners.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
I think Colorado would be a great trade partner. For these two reasons they have a solid team so the players we would lose wouldn’t be stuck on a loser team. Secondly they need more veterans Foote is probably in his last season, Tucker will probably be released. So i think they would be in the search for a Langenbrunner or a Salvador.
Chris Stewart or Marek Svatos wouldn’t be bad either. Liles would be an option for maybe Salvdor. Stewart picked up 64 points last year but I think he could be untouchable but you never know. Svatos picked up 11 points in an injury plagued year in only 54 games. He would be a gamble but it would be a good return if he returns back to the way he was, but he never played a full 82 or even a full 70 games. Liles picked up 31 points last year playing in 59 games. It would take some picks to get atleast one of these players. I would rather see a 2011 or 2012 pick. I think Galiardi, Yip, Mueller, and O’Reilly are untouchable. Maybe Hejduk for Langenbrunner, Hejduk has this year and next year left in his deal getting 3 million. Langs has this year getting 2.8. I don’t see Hejduk as an option right now as he is old. Just a possibility.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t see how Minnesota is a viable trading partner for the Devils right now. None of the players the Devils would be interested in trading are players who would fit into Minnesota’s long term plans. They’re a lot more than just a piece or two away from being in the mix for the Cup, so it doesn’t make sense for them to be interested in 30+ year old players like Langenbrunner, Salvador, and Zubrus.
Colorado seems like a team that would become a viable trading partner at the trade deadline. If they’re in a good position then, they may decide to go for it, and add a veteran or two for the strech run and playoffs. At the start of the season, I expect they’ll go ahead with the young players that got them to the playoffs last year.
I think Langenbrunner makes sense, like leadership for a young team sorta thing. Like Scuderi in LAK.
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by red army line on Jun 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want him to be traded but if Lou as to sign Martin and Clarkson to free up some space, I would rather see another player go but if they want Langs then farewell. Who’s more valuable now? Martin and Clarkson or Langenbrunner?
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
I’m fairly certain we can keep all 3 considering we have more than $11 million in cap space. If the cap does go up we will have more.
Langenbrunner
I do not want to trade Langenbrunner, I just wonder what it means that Lou is ready to ‘surprise’ us with more deals. Maybe Lou believes Langer is no longer as valuable, maybe he believes what Langer had to say last season, and/or his actions, is not what he wants on his team. Who knows, I was just speculating because of Lou’s comments to Chere about possible further deals.
Think Tampa Bay still wants him? ha ha.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
Is that your hunch, or do you have some evidence to counter the team’s GM saying, ‘The priority right now is to get David Clarkson signed and Paul Martin signed’?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
Just because the GM wants to keep martin doesn’t mean he will stay..he is going to be testing UFA and will get lots of offers. I just don’t see him signing..atleast I’m realistic and oh yea kovy is gone to.
by zach parise9 on Jun 20, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything out of Martin has him wanting to stay. Granted, he’s been fairly noncommittal, but that’s pretty standard procedure for a UFA. I see no evidence that he has plans to test the market.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)
http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/06/paul_martin_likes_choice_of_jo.html
That article seems to indicate that he is at least partially looking to test the market.
However, I think if the Devils offer him a fair contract, he’d stay.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 20, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. I think he’s just following SOP for pending free agents. To say anything less could lower his offer. And I’m sure it crosses every UFA’s mind at some point… they’re only human.
I hadn’t read that particular article though, thanks.
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Don’t know where some of you have heard Martin wants out. I heard on some post that he was waiting til we got a coach then he would start contract negotiations. We got Maclean just Thursday as head coach if we don’t hear about talks between Martin and Lou in a week then i will think hes going.
by KingHellfire on Jun 21, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno…Martin is still criminally underrated. Volchenkov would be crazy not to test since everyone seems to love him, but Martin may be a bit underwhelmed by what he gets offered (no bidding war), if the MSM is any good reflection of how GMs thiink on the whole.
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by red army line on Jun 21, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think both Martin and Clarkson will be signed, being they are the Priority according to Lou. Kovalchuk is the one who is as good as gone, and hopefully we use the money that would have been allocated to him (after acquiring Arnott) to get another Top-4 Defenseman. Someone who is a UFA that we aren’t necessarily talking about, like Willie Mitchell or even Scotty Niedermayer if he takes a discount 1-year deal to compete for the Cup again.
I doubt Kovalchuk will be gone. Lou went through hell to get him giving up 2 top prospects and defenseman who had an injury in the beginning of the year and a 1st round pick in a talented draft. I highly doubt he would just let him go without signing him or getting a good player in a trade. Right now Kovalchuk and Clarkson are my priorties.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless we trade elias and he would have to waive his ntc.. we cannot afford to keep kovy..im thinking his time in jersey is done.
by zach parise9 on Jun 20, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
You do know the Devils have $11,440,000 opened up right? Trading Elias for some reason to lower the cap is insane. Kovalchuk isn’t going to get 10 million from any team, hell he isn’t reaching 9 million. He’ll sign 7.5 for NJ because he knows the coach that is coming in and that he is more offensive, he knows the team will win, he seems to like it in Jersey, he loves Hoboken, his family wouldn’t be bombarded with media in other big markets, and he loves playing with Marty. The Devils have the best chance in signing him. Lou knows what happened once Kovalchuk was traded here. The building was rocking, there was a section called “Kovalchuk Army”, jersey revenues went up, the team got more publicity, it made the team more dangerous with a Parise Kovalchuk punch, you’ve just added a center you desperatley needed, and he just makes the team better. Don’t give me stats that the Devils were better without him. He picked up a point a game with Lemaire as coach and he scored on the PP and added intensity to rivalries. Is there a Devil you see doing this???? Everyone would let that happen. Which pisses me off so much. So don’t give me that his time is over with. Lou’s brain says Kovalchuk but his mouth says Martin. Martin’s replacable, Kovalchuk’s a world class athlete who puts fans in the seats. Fans in the seats means money to the organization and a greater chance of winning when you have these types of players on your team. Did you see the Devils win with Martin on the team this year? No. Corvo is a cheaper guy that almost the player Martin is.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a Devil you see doing this????
Yes.

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Ok, so let’s say Kovalchuk signs at your prescribed $7.5 million for however long you foresee. From what Im reading, you are saying Martin should be let go. That would leave $4 million to sign his replacement (if its Corvo, he did make $2.625 million last year), leaving $1.5 million to sign Clarkson, at least one more defenseman in the Top 6, and leaving no room for Josefson, Tedenby, or any other player without dumping salary.
Who is going to leave to make room for Kovalchuk?
Lou stated that there will be more moves to free up some cap. Listen I am not all for signing Kovy but it seems like a bad thing to let this guy go. Its almost like Ovechkin leaving Washington. Yeah you still have Semin and Backstrom but it is just not the same.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not even remotely like Ovechkin leaving Washington.
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by John Fischer on Jun 21, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Like Hossa leaving Pittsburgh. Not like Kovalchuk was drafted and played all his life in NJD. He was traded to NJ mid season when he could have had more desirable targets.
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by red army line on Jun 21, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Good call Army on the relation to Hossa. However, I dont think I undstand what a ‘more desirable target’ would be. I would like to keep Kovy, but not at the expense of a Defensive unit consisting of Salvador/White/Greene/Salmela as our Top 4.
You guys are acting like he is going to get 11 million. There will be cap space for Kovy after he maybe signs.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
“More desirable target”—> no offense but I’m fairly certain he had other more preferred destinations (many of them almost impossible though of course, like CHI and WSH and PIT).
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by red army line on Jun 21, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to imagine Kovalchuk had plenty of leverage in where he was going to be traded to. At the trade deadline, he could have been jettisoned to those three teams for a minimal cap hit, surely they could have made it happen. But Kovy was traded weeks before the deadline to NJ, so it would make sense to me that not only did the Devils make sense for the Thrashers, but to Kovalchuk too.
Really? I mean, he didn’t have any sort of NTC from what I remember, so I think it was just getting a good offer, and NJ got the jump on the competition while, like you said, other teams would have had to wait. I don’t know what goes on in the ATL management but I’d be surprised if Kovalchuk had any leverage beyond minimal at all. I guess you’re right in that if Kovy liked the move, then that would only expedite the process, but ultimately it came down to what made sense for both sides I’d think.
Anyways, with 29 other places, I’m sure Kovy would have #1 preferred somewhere else. I guess that point doesn’t really matter now though. Re-reading I think my original point was that FAs have much more leverage over where they go than guys without a NTC traded at the deadline.
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by red army line on Jun 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Captain
I was just wondering, if he could be a captain and if anyone could see this happening.
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He could be, he was the captain for the Predators. But it’s unlikely he’ll get a letter with the Devils this time around. There’s no point in naming him Captain for one season, and there’s no reason to take the A’s away from Parise and Elias.
by HockeyWeasel on Jun 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk was the captain in Atlanta, no change there. I don’t see it for Arnott either.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 20, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
Elias
Would anyone be surprised if he is traded? I can’t remember if he has a NTC, or would want to even leave here, but he may have some value at the moment.
He waived it to come to NJ.
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I would be surprised if he was traded. The team made a big commitment to him with a long-term contract and a NMC. Also, even though he is a useful player (i feel he’s still producing at a 4-5 million dollar level), his contract is likely to become a bit of a cap liability over the next 2 yrs. I’m not sure what the return would be and I don’t think he has any intention to leave NJ. So yes, I would be very surprised if he was traded.
Anyone explain how the no movement clause works? I know that means we can’t send him down or waive him but in regards to trades can someone on a nmc be traded do they have a list of teams to go to or are they stuck in there contract. Though by no means do i want to see Elias go.
by KingHellfire on Jun 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
According to nhlscap.com (http://www.nhlscap.com/no_trade.htm#list)
NTC – player cannot be traded without his consent; consent not required for waivers for assignment to minors.
NMC – player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. [This does not protect the player from a buyout.]
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Well Frank thanks for the clarification on the exact nature of NMC.
by KingHellfire on Jun 22, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why its good to have folks like you who know where to find the details on the intricacies.
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