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Sources confirmed to ESPN.com yet again Saturday that the Kings will make an offer to the prized jewel of a thin market, star winger Ilya Kovalchuk. They tried to acquire his rights this weekend from New Jersey, but were denied since the Devils remain interested in trying to re-sign the Russian star.

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I’m still pretty upset that Lou is still trying to sign Kovy. Hopefully if this is actually true he will just trade his rights and get something, even though it won’t be much.

by C.J. Richey on Jun 26, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Can Jack Johnsoin be involved in this trade?

For the Rights to Kovalchuk and maybe a prospect.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jun 26, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I certainly hope so and I don't see how Lou turns that down.

Unless he knows he will sign Kovalchuk.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It must be a master plan

If Lou doesn’t take a prospect and pick or something, he knows something we don’t know. I’m thinking he might be staying here, even though it doesn’t really make too much sense. This is more than hockey here, this is a huge marketing deal at hand.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jun 28, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t know that there was even an offer made. LeBrun doesn’t cite who his “source” is, and he doesn’t name specifics behind any offer. Without either, I chalk up LeBrun’s report to rumour-mongering and nothing more. Heaven knows we have all sorts of wild and crazy rumours floating around out there.

If Los Angeles even got around to making a concrete offer, I suspect it was most likely something along the lines of “New Jersey gets such-and-such a draft pick if Kovy signs prior to July 1”…. when you’re getting four days to negotiate with a guy, you don’t give up much of value unless you’re certain you’re getting a deal done in that window. In light of statements that Kovy is headed to the open market to listen to all offers, that makes the offer of a conditional draft pick (conditional on the guy signing early) worthless for all practical matters. Lou has no reason to give away any of his leverage in that case.

by acasser on Jun 28, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The LA Kings aren’t going to give up Jack Johnson for a guy that might sign with them. So, no.

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by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless Kovalchuk is guaranteed to sign with the Kings, then Lou could be able to get Jack Johnson. Even then, it would be a stretch just because I think Kovalchuk wants to test the free agent market.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would the Kings even give up Jack Johnson for Kovalchuk’s rights? The Devils have no leverage here to get anything of value. In addition, Jack Johnson has value on the trade market if the Kings want to move him — they can definitely get more than a three-day negotiating window with a UFA they can simply throw a bushel of money at on July 1st.

The only way the Devils have leverage to extract anything of vlaue from the Kings is if they can trade his rights to a third club, and that third club has a deal in place to sign him before July 1st.

Seriously, folks, move on from the concept that we can get Johnson or anything else for Kovy. It isn’t happening.

by acasser on Jun 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

so it looks like Lou wants to sign kovy, since he didnt even trade his contract..which ill be happy if we sign Kovy

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by J-camps on Jun 27, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The fact that Lou didn’t trade the contract doesn’t necessarily mean anything. No team is going to be willing to give up anything for a player who they don’t feel they have a reasonable chance to sign before July 1?

by HockeyWeasel on Jun 27, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This quote clearly states that the Kings were willing to give something up.

by C.J. Richey on Jun 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t say what the Kings were willing to give up. Personally, I expect it was a late-round pick, or a conditional late-to-mid round pick for next season, depending on how things shake out. In any event, not enough to tempt Lou into pulling the trigger.

Personally, I don’t see the point in LA trading for his rights. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they already had some informal discussions with his agent, the way it works in every other sport.

by acasser on Jun 27, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the quote clearly states that sources, who may or may not know anything, claim the Kings were interested, which could mean anything really, but the Devils denied them at all, which could have been an inquiry for all anyone knows.

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by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you’d have better luck getting jack johnson from them by framing LA for tampering with Kovalchuk than you would trying to get them to trade you JJ for Kovy’s rights. can we pay Kovalchuk’s agent enough to get him to make it up?

by dr(d)evil on Jun 28, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

All teams tamper. It is only the really stupid ones that get caught, when they do really stupid things. Like sending out a contract early…. via Federal Express…. where anyone can get a date and time of delivery and signatures….

An agent will never admit to participating in tampering unless he’s caught with the smoking gun in his hands. Doing so guarantees that they can’t get the same preferential treatment in the future, which would go a long way towards driving them out of the business.

by acasser on Jun 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well this is what happens when you believe ESPN about something hockey related. TG asked Lou if this was true and he said it was not.

by C.J. Richey on Jun 28, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I hadn’t realized “Lou Lamoriello” has become synonymous with “truth-teller”

Lou said he “didn’t have an offer” from any team. LeBrun says the Kings “tried to acquire his rights” but were denied. The Kings could have “tried” to acquire Kovalchuk’s rights but gotten rebuffed before they even got to the point of making an offer. Neither Lou nor LeBrun would be lying. Lou is a master of not telling the truth while at the same time not lying. Imagine if Lou was the White House press secretary?

by dr(d)evil on Jun 28, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see, who am I going to believe? LeBrun and a “source” or the GM who would actually be involved in such a deal?

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by John Fischer on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The GM involved in a deal has a lot more to lose by saying too much. LeBrun gains and loses very little by peddling such a rumor, among the many many rumors he peddles.

The Devils are going to give it their best shot to try to re-sign Kovalchuk. And part of that is making him feel like he is a precious, integral part of the team. Trading his rights for a pittance might get you something for nothing, but even by merely entertaining the idea Lou risks alienating Kovalchuk and strengthening LA’s chances of signing him. If you think you have a chance at re-signing a guy, you don’t trade his rights. If you’re not going to make a trade, then you don’t even admit that such a trade is an option.

Lou doesn’t lie, per se. But he never lays bare the whole truth. He never comments on trade rumors surrounding one of the Devils and he never discusses their injuries in much detail. He does it to protect and support his players, as a good GM should. I believe him when he says he “didn’t have an offer”, but that doesn’t mean he and Lombardi didn’t have a conversation about the availability of Kovalchuk’s rights. When Lou says something, I take the ultra-literal interpretation. I might find something interesting about the particular way he worded it, but I don’t take the connotations attached to his comments at face value. The connotation here is that no team was interested or asked him about it, but all you can really say about his comment from a literalist point of view is that no team made a concrete offer.

by dr(d)evil on Jun 29, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is right on. The Kings asked about the possibility, Lou said no and someone leaked part of the story.

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by FrankG929 on Jun 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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