Paul Martin: Will he still be a Devil tomorrow?
I am sure at this point all of you have read Tom Gulitti's post on Fire & Ice and Rich Chere's article that Paul Martin plans to test the free agent market and unless something drastically changes he will not be re-signed before noon tomorrow. There are some different quotes in each article and I wanted to quickly try to read between the lines of Martin's comments. See more after the jump.
Martin, 29, stressed again that exploring the market doesn't mean that he won't re-sign with the Devils. In fact, he said. "New Jersey is still right at the top of my list."
Of course this is a positive statement, but one that shows that Martin may not be looking to burn any bridges if he doesn't get any offers from teams that meet his needs. Plus, he has been saying similar things throughout the last month.
These quotes below in Gulitti's post, to me, are a bit troubling
That said, Martin isn't ready yet to tell Lamoriello he "wants to be a Devil," at least by the way he understands Lamoriello's definition of the term.
"What Lou means is to be a Devil certain guys take less money to be part of a winning organization and that kind of thing," Martin said. "To a point, certain people go there and they'll take less money. It's if you're willing to be a Devil under what they expect, It basically comes down to if I want to do that as far taking money aside. I think that's what he's looking for to know, I believe."
Wait, what? Martin can't tell the Devils he really wants to be a Devil yet? If you read Chere's article at the same time the quote above doesn't seem as bad.
"He made a point that we haven't been successful lately not being able to get past the second round of the playoffs for seven years. And you do have certain guys who sign for less than what they could get somewhere else."
OK, a little bit better but not much. So Devils fans that means no hometown discount from Paul Martin, or so it would seem at this time.
"We really didn't even talk numbers. I talked to him about three times. I think the option is there. It hasn't been, 'This is what we're looking for,' or 'This is what we can give you.' Kind of like a little standoff, but it hasn't been negative at all."
One of the troubling things about both articles is that I can't recall the last time a free agent was this forthcoming with information and ended up being signed or re-signed by the Devils.
Plus, they haven't talked numbers yet and he is the Devils #1 priority? I understand making sure that the player wants to stay with the team, but you would think some numbers would have been discussed. Also, at this point if Martin cannot answer the 'Do you want to be a Devil?' question I think his non-answer might speak volumes.
OK, maybe I have too much time on my hands or I am trying to find something in his words that aren't there but does this sound like a player who is going to re-sign? I think it's clear that a hometown discount might be out of the equation and the Devils will be forced to match a salary offer in the $5MM-$6MM range. It is possible that realizing he may have to match a free market offer Lou Lamoriello reacted to that early moved some cap room today to ensure he could offer Martin enough to match any offer out there.
It's been a whirlwind day of emotions for Devils news with David Clarkson re-signing and the buyout's of Jay Pandolfo and Andrew Peters, but tomorrow should be just as exciting. I just hope it's not disappointing. Only about 18 hours to the free agency frenzy folks. Get ready.
So I felt like throwing this out to the readers out there to see what you think...see the poll below....Will the Devils re-sign Paul Martin???
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Maybe it’s my own stubbornness, but I really find it hard to believe that no numbers have been discussed. I mean, it’s not like Lou and Martin’s agent just talked for the first time. These are contract re-negotiations. Martin and Lou know each other quite well. I’m not sure what could be possibly discussed this much without actually bringing up a number from either side. But hey, maybe Martin’s being completely honest, I could be dead wrong with my skepticism.
Ergo, my skepticism leads me to think that Martin’s posturing and he’s right to do so. He’s 29 and he’s not likely going to have a chance to make too much more than what he could tomorrow ever again. As much as I want him in Devils red for another 4-6 years, I can’t begrudge him for looking at the market. I personally think Martin will re-sign; but again, that’s my own stubbornness.
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When I was reading the quotes about money not being discussed I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t think Lou was big on small talk. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be surprising. After the Arnott trade and the buyout of Pando I really have no idea what to expect tomorrow. If I see a headline tomorrow that says ‘Sykora re-signed by Devils’ I have to say, I wouldn’t be totally shocked.
I would be – and I wouldn’t be happy. Sykora has declined the most of the former A-Line.
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by John Fischer on Jun 30, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Martin is happy here. All the quotes TG put yesterday when discussing it were those of a guy just trying not to burn any bridges on the remote chance he wouldn’t get anything better than what the Devs think he’s worth and he needs to come back. I’m at the point where I’m not really expecting him to come back.
Do i want him back?
Hells yes. Most underrated D in the game.
Do I want him back if he doesn’t want to be here?
Not so much. I don’t want a repeat of the Langs Division at the end of next season.
Do i want him back if he’s overpayed?
Nope. We can just as easily overpay for a guy that would want to be here.
Martin is priority #1, and hasn’t even been offered a contract yet? I’m on the fence about the numbers discussions, or lack there of. Are the Devils waiting to see what other teams are offering him and will act accordingly; play the bidding game? To me, these quotes seem Martin will not return. I have a feeling a few teams will offer him mega bucks, and one is bound to be a good fit for him. The least Lou can do is offer him a contract. We all thought he would use this time prior to the free agency period to offer him a contract. The Devils had the edge and have it until 12pm tomorrow. Use it.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Jun 30, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Consider this perspective:
Martin and his agent (Hankinson) have discussed what he wants. Ben and Lou have spoke but aren’t at where Martin wants to be so Ben hasn’t gone back to him with any numbers. The numbers are primarily discussed between Ben and Lou, they may not be at the point where Paul told Ben to go for. An example – Martin told Ben “I want 4+ years at minimum $5.5M per, don’t bother me with any offer less than that.” Maybe Lou hasn’t presented close to that to Ben, maybe 3 years at $5M per. Ben knows Paul’s minimum, so he doesn’t have to bring every offer to him.
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I am not optimistic about Paulie re-signing after he is a UFA. I cannot imagine that no other team will be able to put together an attractive enough offer that Martin wouldn’t take it. I understand making sure you field offers at this point in your career, it makes sense. But if you are willing to do so, it seems to me that you take the best offer. We do not know Lou to give pending FA’s more than what he believes to be market value (Rafalski, Gionta, Gomez).
Time to get to work on procuring two quality defenseman to shore up our Top 6.
Another team will definitely give him what he wants if not the Devils.
He knows that he is in demand and the NHL will make sure that the Devils see how much he is coveted. I could see him on the Rangers, Islanders, Flyers, or Pengiuns next year.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Paul Martin made up his mind a long time ago to go to market. He told Lou as much as soon as the season ended and when asked how contract negotiations have been going, he’s been spewing excuses to stall reporters from asking the question, “Was there ever a chance that you would re-sign with the Devils before July 1?” If Lou hasn’t made Martin a specific contract offer, it’s because it’s THAT crystal-clear that Martin has no intention of coming to an agreement before July 1. Let’s say Lou were to offer him 4 years, $24 million with a NTC. Two things could happen:
(a) Martin is going to market anyway and could find out he has GMs eager to pay him so much dough that Lou’s very generous offer is meaningless and Lou is forced to up the ante or let Martin walk.
or,
(b) Martin is going to market anyway and could find out no one wants to pay him as much as $5.5 (unlikely). Martin then quickly accepts the Devils offer, and it turns out that the Devils offered 500K more than any other team offered, therefore the Devils get screwed.
So in this situation, given the assumption that Martin definitely wants to test the market, why would Lou make any specific offer to him? Let the market decide what Martin is worth, and if it turns out to be too rich for our blood, so be it. It sucks, but it’s clear to me that there was no other option for Lou because there was no way that he would be able to sign Martin.
If some GM wants to pay him 6 million or more, then honestly, bye bye Paul. You might be the best defenseman on the market this year but you’re not worth that much. I’d rather have Ilya for 7.5 – 8 and fail at trying to be a run-and-gun team for one year until next year’s free agent season.

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