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If you wanted Dennis Seidenberg as a New Jersey Devil, then I'm sorry to say it's not happening. He signed with Boston and will be a Bruin for a good while longer. The cap hit will be $3.25 million/year; keep that in mind for future defensemen signings.

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Lou wan’t going to give Seidenberg that kind of money in the first place with all the other offensive defenseman on the market maybe for cheaper money. Little scared that he is getting paid so much….

"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."- Tiger Woods

by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 5, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i think this contract and last year’s oduya contract (3.5 mil x 3 yrs) are comparable to what i would expect andy greene to be signed to next year. assuming greene’s game doesn’t regress too badly this season.

by dr(d)evil on Jun 5, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

If Greene is going to more than quadruple his current salary, I have serious doubts that it’s going to come from the Devils.

by HockeyWeasel on Jun 6, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the defenseman there are UFA, Greene would be surrounded by serious talent that would pay 4 to 5 million and double the skills Andy has.
http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=D&summer=2011&status=ufa&type=none

"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."- Tiger Woods

by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Greene’s going to have to have a hell of a year next season if he wants that much. Depending on any 1-year deals the Devils agree to this off-season, Parise is concern #1 next off-season, then Greene. I would offer him (as of now), around $2.75-3.25 million/year.

by Matthew Ventolo on Jun 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t even offer him that much. Based one on really good season, I’d offer him $1.5 mil to $1.75 mil.

by HockeyWeasel on Jun 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm overpaying him (as of now)

If he does have a similar season next season, then my numbers may be more accurate. His advanced stats this year were awesome though. He was 16th in GVT among defensmen in the NHL at 11.0 (12th in Defense GVT at 6.6). His GA/60 went down when he’s on the ice (shots increased slightly) and SF/60 increased as well (GF/60 went down slightly at 0.25).

If he has another 35+ point season, lock him up long term. Scott Cullen at TSN actually rates him higher than Paul Martin (I don’t necessarily agree but it helps my point..haha)

by Matthew Ventolo on Jun 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Greene was great last season – but I think Devils fans shouldn’t commit to him being the top man on the blueline for a second straight season. There we’ll see whether 09-10 was just everything clicking correctly or just one great season for Greene.

Greene and his agent will want to do that too. A second straight solid season will solidify demands for more cash.

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by John Fischer on Jun 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

You have to see more from Greene next season in order to pay him what he is worth. If he is a 30 point defenseman next year, it is certainly a drop-off but he is still worth about 2.5 million.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 6, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bigger concern, I think, is what this is going to mean for Paul Martin’s price tag.

I hope Lou goes long-term, with heavy front-loading to keep the cap hit down. Something along the lines of 9 years, $40.5 mil (cap hit of $4.5 mil), at $6 million per season for the first six years (through age 35), and $1.5 million per season for the last three (from 35-37).

by HockeyWeasel on Jun 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt Lou will go down that road. He just doesn’t seem like commiting to Martin for 9 years. Just look at players who had these kind of deals. DiPietro hasn’t played to the fullest extent and Luongo I guess hasn’t been the same. Plus, you hope he doesn’t get a injury that will keep him for a long time. I see a 3 or 4 years deal like Oduya. Around 4.8 million. Greene in my mind is only worth about 2.5 million.

"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."- Tiger Woods

by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 6, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Long term deals are definitely a risk because anything can happen over such a long period of time (not the least of which are injuries and the possibility of a player failing to meet expectations), but you only list two players for which the risk appears to not be paying off (and Luongo could be argued. Not by me, but by some), though you could add Alexei Yashin and perhaps Lecavalier (depending on which Vinny shows up from now on) to the list.

On the flip side, Franzen and Zetterberg in Detroit both appear worth the risk so far, as does Ovechkin, Backstrom, Duncan Keith, Rick Nash, Mike Richards, Pronger and Hossa (though I’ll give you that the latter two were more about manipulating the cap than locking up young talent).

To me that says locking up young talent for the long term to cap friendly hits isn’t just the trend, but a good way to go. Unless you’re the Islanders. Seriously; they need some scouting help or something… they’ve got 2 of the “Oh man, that SUCKS!” contracts in DiPietro and Yashin…

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Jun 6, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martin just came off an injury that kept him out for 2/3 of the season. You have to think about whether it could come back again. Zetterberg didn’t have an injury, Ovi, Backstrom, Nash, Keith, Richards, Pronger, and Hossa didn’t have an injury that kept them out of the lineup for a lond time. Franzen had one though. Thats what I am worried about.

"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."- Tiger Woods

by RolliePollieKovy on Jun 6, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Come back again? He broke his arm. That’s not typically a recurring injury.

I have no doubt that Lou would do his due diligence to make sure there were no long-term, nagging aspects to or indirect effects from the injury before signing him to a long contract… if he even chose to go that route.

My point was just that, yes, there are a couple instances where the long-term deal didn’t work out, but there are at least as many where it appears to be working out just fine. Whether Lou is even the type of GM to play the system in such a way, or Martin wants that kind of deal remains to be seen.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (?)

by elesias on Jun 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere in Minnesota Paul Martin has a smile on his face.....

This deal is not helpful to keeping the price down on Martin. He goes for 5.25-5.75 unless there is a long term deal that keeps his cap number more managable.

Looking at the crop of 2011 UFA, I would think Andy Greene goes for 3MM plus if he puts up another year like he just did. He is one of the few guys on that list under 30 and while not a #1 guy, is certainly a good second pairing guy.

by Tom Stivali on Jun 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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