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How the addition of Tomas Kaberle would affect the Devils?



If the Devils were to trade for Tomas Kaberle it would give them one of the elite bluelines in the league. Last year their defense was mediocre and could not match up against the flyers top fowards in the playoffs. Paul Martin was counted on with Andy Greene to be a shutdown pair against top lines. They were not able to do that. Martin is at best a solid no.2 defensman with some offensive upside and Greene is a very good second pair defensman but not a top guy. With the additons of Henrik talllinder and A train they will now have a top shutdown pair to match up with top scorers but they only provide minimal offensive production. Volchenkov is a no.1 defensman who is the best shot blocker in the league and Tallinder is an underrated defensman with very good defensive ability and leadership. He will also add some more size with his 6 foot 4 frame which was lacked in the last few years. If they do add Kaberle he will give them a power play quarterback with elite offensive skills which they have lacked since rafalski and neidermayer. A top four of A train, Tallinder, Kaberle and Greene is as good as any. They would then have two very good puck moving defensman who can control the game and two big shutdown defensman with size and toughness. Kaberle and Greene would be a very good second pair on defense with good all around ability. He will also help the offense with his passing abilty. That would help scorers like Parise, Elias and Zajac get more opportunities. He could also give them a very strong power play which would feature Parise, Elias, Zajac, Arnott and Kaberle on the top unit. If they were to get him it would take giving up a first round pick and Zubrus with one of their young defensman. It is worth it because they would have a team that is ready to contend for the cup and win in the playoffs.

 

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Kabs is good, but...

They would have no interest in Salvadore and/or Zubrus. Who are you moving to acquire Kaberle? Where does the cap space come from (cuz he’s gonna cost a hell of a lot more than $3M), and how do you replace the guy(s) you have to trade to get him?

Any trade to get him would be at the cost of at least two of the “verge” prospects and a top 6 forward (or Clarkson).

I’d rather take my chances elsewhere with someone that wouldn’t have such a deep cost to the team. Hell, give the job to Eckford ro Corrente rather than trading them to get him.

by Murdoc on Jul 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I would rather wait until the 2011 off-season and target Markov or Ehrhoff, then waste our prospects on another rental player…. Lou would have to clear a lot of space to sign Kaberle after the season and sign Parise too. Your talking about 12 million dollars for 2 guys. If Parise gets 7 million and Kaberle gets close to 5. If an offensive defenseman were to be targeted other then Kaberle it would either be Burns or Tyutin. Tyutin is good defensively and can put up some points. Burns has been talked about and that seems the most likely then Kaberle or any other defensemen.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

burns please!
i dont want kaberle, like you said, he only has 1 year left and i dont want another rental player, or a player in the 30’s+
plus burns has a rocket of a shot at the point, just give them salvador+zubrus+prospect for Burns+3 or 4th round

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by J-camps on Jul 15, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on his abilities and his cost aside, I think it would have a pretty big effect on the Devils.

With the addition of Volchenkov, and to a degree Tallinder, the defensive defenseman role is more than adequately filled on this team. Of the projected starting lineup players, the easiest and obvious player to move is Salvador. Whether or not he goes as part of the Kaberle overpayment trade is moot, we’ll just assume he’s gone.

The first effect is that the Devils would be taking on additional salary. Kaberle’s cap hit is $4.25m, and we’d be dishing off Salvador’s $2.9m, for a net increase of $1.35m. That would leave the team with ~$2.84m, which shouldn’t be an issue as all but a few bottom 6 forward positions most likely to be filled out by kids and/or last minute veteran minimum signings like McAmmond are already filled. It would, however, signal the end of any attempts at Kovalchuk or the hopes of acquiring another top 6 Winger, barring additional moves.

The defense would consist of Volchenkov, Greene, Tallinder, Kaberle, White and Salmela, with the possibility of Corrente or Urbom fighting with Salmela for the 6th and 7th spot.

Now, the fact is that for all of Kaberle’s offense, he doesn’t bring much in the way of defense. I’d go so far as to say that he’s actually a defensive liability. That kind of player is a new concept on the Devils so there isn’t much precedent, but I think the obvious thing to do would be to pair him with the best defensive defenseman to help shore up one another’s weaknesses.

The problem would be, which defensive defenseman do you pair him with? It certainly wouldn’t be Salmela, Urbom or Corrente, and I’d also throw out Tallinder and Greene as they aren’t pure defensive defensemen and would be better served being the veteran presence with the kids and the wheels opposite another defensive defenseman, respectively.

Which means it’s narrowed down to White or Volchenkov. Android is, without a doubt, the better of the two and top line material, which would mean he’s out as Kaberle is not top line material; leaving just White. So the pairings would look like:

Volchenkov – Greene
White – Kaberle
Tallinder – Salmela/Corrente/Urbom

That’s not terrible, and while I do think Kaberle’s offense would more than make up for White’s lack of it, I do have some serious reservations about Whitey having the ability to compensate for Kaberle’s lack of defense.

Also, $3.375m is a lot of money to be paying Tallinder to play on the third pairing.

On the other hand, the addition of Kaberle (and let’s not forget Oates) to the PP can only help. Part of why the team has struggled on the PP in the recent past is that they don’t have threats at the point that other teams have to fear burning them. There’s Rolston, but let’s just say he hasn’t quite lived up to expectations in that regard.

Outside of him, there hasn’t been anyone, particularly on the defense, that has been a consistent threat and no one that has that great slapshot from the point team’s have to respect. Greene and Martin both have decent wristshots, but they’ve always been more of a threat pinching in or moving around in space rather than from the point. Kaberle brings that shot from the point that forces other teams to change the way they have to defend on the PK.

For what it’s worth, your pairings of Volchenkov – Tallinder and Kaberle – Greene would just be begging for disaster.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

And none of this supposes what we might lose in the trade to acquire him. If, as it is being reported, we give up Clarkson and, for the sake of argument, Salvador and a prospect… we now have to also fill in Clarkson’s spot in the line-up with the reduced cap space also.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

And with a lack of RW’s in the system ready to make the jump from the AHL. I mean if you trade Clarkson you would only have one RW the you know will put up some points, Langenbrunner. Yeah you got Zharkov and Davis possible putting up 40 points in a season playing with the 2nd and 3rd line. But thats not a guarantee. You would probably have to go out and get an Afinogenov for the RW spot. It just doesn’t make sense for Lou to trade Clarkson when he knows the Devils are a little weak at the RW spot for a Kaberle who will likely test and the market and get overpayed somewhere.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 15, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s where the real effect on the team comes in. The positive effects of his presence without regard to roster implications are obvious, but when considering the effect on the Devils, this kind of stuff needs to be concidered.

I feel pretty much the same way about Kaberle as I do about Kovy…they’d be of tremendous benefit to the team this year. But in terms of contracts and long term performance, I think the Devils would be better off without both of them. The true cost for eaither of these guys is far too much.

Eckford blasted and scored with a low slapper from the point in the scrimage today, offering a glimps of what he can do with his shot. I’d love for him to get a real shot at this role in camp.

by Murdoc on Jul 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traded assets

I cannot see how Toronto would get back 2 roster players and a prospect in return for Kaberle. As I see it and have read from sources like TSN, Burke is looking for a Top 6 Forward, and a prospect, nothing more.
And Clarkson would fill his quota for truculence, although letting Clarkson go after getting him to sign a 3 year-deal wouldnt make sense to me. But if it were Clarkson and say, someone like Vasyunov, I think Toronto would be fine with the trade.
However, I would disagree with it, being that Kaberle only has one year remaining on his deal in which he will be expecting a raise for next season, thereby most likely making him a rental.
I dont like it.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Kaberle would affect the Devils

Toronto wants a center, they target Zajac, no question. They want a potential top-6 forward, they target Clarkson. Josefson would do I suppose, they also would DEMAND a first round pick since Burke probably forgot that there is such thing as a first round i.e. Kessel. Either way, we would have to unload to get him, and then we’ll be needing someone else afterwards. Now I don’t see why Burke wouldn’t take Zubrus or Salvador, but he does want to get young.

Yes, Kaberle would be a great Devil, and the all-time points leader would be happy, Mr. Elias, but I don’t see it happening.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You think Toronto would take Palmieri or Zharkov plus Sestito and a first rounder? It’s a bit of a risk for the Leafs, but either Palmieri or Zharkov might be a top-6 NHL forward, who knows…

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

There is no Top-6 Forward (now) in there, so Burke wouldnt do it. He has made it very clear that there is no way he trades Kaberle unless a Top-6 forward is coming back the other way.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, Burke isn’t into potential anymore. Didn’t he also say he wanted Zajac specifically? What if Langenbrunner went? Burke could easily re-sign him and unless Jamie is looking to get closer to home, why wouldn’t he go to Toronto?

If we gave up Zajac, and I say that loosely because we flat out cannot, we would need to get either Nazem Kadri or Bozak back, maybe Luke Schenn too.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clarkson is a Brian Burke hockey player. He’ll go to the net, he’s physical, he’ll stand up for your team. I guess gritty is a good word for him, and he has offensive upside.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess gritty is a good word for him

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be a little harsh……..

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Clarkson is the Devils poster boy for truculence.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 Truculence

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by slackdog_rm on Jul 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by red army line on Jul 15, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burke’s word, not mine.

It’s kind of an ongoing internet meme.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Toronto fans said they wanted Zajac, or at least, I never heard of Burke calling anyone specific players out that he wanted (would be some major tampering, dont you think?).
It just doesnt work for us, after listening to Burke’s demand for a Top 6 forward, unless he wants Rolston, hehe

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Burke takes Rolston, we don’t even need Kaberle back.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 15, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, agreed, but they need Cap room more than we do.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if Langenbrunner went?

Why would Langenbrunner go? How could he possibly improve his value for his last big contract (he’s a UFA after this season, and at his age probably has one significant payday left) in Toronto? I suspect if Lou asked him about it, the response would be “no” as soon as the word “Toronto” left Lamorello’s mouth.

Furthermore, what interest would Toronto have in Langenbrunner? They’re not a Cup contender, and a piece like Langenbrunner makes no sense on a rebuilding team.

I suppose you could argue that Burke would take Langenbrunner in order to flip him at the deadline…. but again that pesky NTC becomes a hurdle.

In short, no reason for Jamie to even be in this discussion.

Burke could easily re-sign him and unless Jamie is looking to get closer to home, why wouldn’t he go to Toronto?

Really? “Easily”? I don’t know that Jamie would be the least bit interested in signing in Toronto unless they overpaid him, and maybe not even then. Langenbrunner would be more likely to play the market, and probably makes more sense as a complementary piece to a Cup contender (Chicago, Detroit) or a team on the verge of breaking through to the next level.

Burke will start by asking for Clarkson and “something else”. Then he’ll ask for Tedenby and Josefson with the hope that one of them turns into what we’re hoping for. Then he’ll ask for Andy Greene and “something else”.

And then Burke and Lou will go to various reporters and bloggers with the information that they mentioned all these guys, leading to another Burnside or Brooks “exclusive” about how there were serious discussions on a blockbuster. All while Burke and Lou are laughing their rear ends off at how stupid the reports are.

by acasser on Jul 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Burke wants all that then Kaberle is gonna be a Maple Leaf, i don’t see any team offering that much for him.

by KingHellfire on Jul 15, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle

Kaberle only makes 3.5 millon per year and they have 4 million left. If they package a first round pick which the leafs said they would want with corrente and zubrus or Salvador they would go for it. He also has two years left on his deal. They csn afford to trade one of there young defensman too try to win now because brodeur is 38 and time is running out. If they were to trade one it should be corrente cuse we need eckford.

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Info?

I cannot say I understand where you info is coming from. As per Capgeek, Kaberle has a $4.25MM Cap hit, and the Leafs have ~$1.125MM in Cap space.
Toronto would also not be taking any defenseman back, as they have 8 NHL Defenseman as it stands now, with 6 of them making $3MM+

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he said, plus he only has one year left before he’s a UFA.

Methinks you’re accidentally looking at Jeff Finger’s info, not Kaberle’s.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either that or Kaberle’s salary != his cap hit.

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by red army line on Jul 15, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle

I looked it up and makes 4.2 million. They probrably would take a prospect and a first round pick with rolston or zubrus for him. He would be a great fit for a top four defensman with great offensive skills and would be great for the power play.

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn’t Rolston make $5M? Which means they’d be taking on more salary when they would prefer to shed? And the pesky NTC…

Would have to be Zubrus and prospect (or two, or a pick or two), and there are plenty of suitors for Kabrle, to the point where Burke can cherry pick what he wants. All for a one year rental. No thanks.

by Murdoc on Jul 15, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOR I don’t think necessarily wants to shed, but they have lots of defensemen and need skill forwards.

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by red army line on Jul 15, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle would be nice but giving up Clarkson would be a lot for a one year rental that will also effect this cap space. Burke will want Langenbrunner from us and not Salvador for Kaberle since they have enough defenseman on theor present team ? MURDOC yes Rolston or Zubrus would be ideal move for us with Toronto but they do not have cap space on their team for either one !!

by Old Puck 1 on Jul 15, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

They have some cap room and rolston could interest and it would be good to dump his 5 million dollars and get a very good player in the same deal

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would Rolston interest them? He’s overpaid, he under-performs, he has a NTC and a 35+ contract that you can’t bury. He’s the worst of every situation.

They have no reason to do the Devils any favors, assuming Rolston would even waive his NTC to go to Toronto, and so would expect to be compensated for such a transaction.

Rolston isn’t going anywhere, and Kaberle isn’t coming here. Accept it.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you need some help, I have an invisible net you can rent for the hunt.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice picture… where did you hunt to find something like this!?!? haha

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have $1.125 Cap Room

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There has been a lot of talk that he is coming here. If they would not want rolston they could take a top prospect and a first round pick and maybe zubrus

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

no

no 1st rounder for two years in a row? no thanks

by kewlnsimpguy on Jul 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No 1st rounder for two years? What are we, Toronto???

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by slackdog_rm on Jul 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what fans do; talk. Doesn’t make it more likely to happen.

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by elesias on Jul 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The talk comes solely from Toronto fans who think Brian Burke can work miracles. If Kaberle was a UFA, he would make sense for us, in NO other situation does he make sense for either team in a trade.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

who think Brian Burke can work miracles.

Can the Phaneuf deal be described as anything but?

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by Blinky on Jul 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phaneuf

I would hardly describe that trade as a miracle. The Anaheim trade was a better one than the Calgary trade.
Toronto gave up 4 roster players for Phaneuf (Sjostrom and Aulie are not NHL’ers). Included in that 4 was Ian White, who is a better VALUE than Phaneuf. Not to mention Calgary was clearly trying to unload Phaneuf and managed to get back a 2C (Stajan), a 2D (White), a 3W (Hagman) and a 4W (Mayers). Granted, you can scratch Sjostrom for Mayers maybe
As a Devils fan, I would be more than ecstatic to pull ANY asset from a team for a Defenseman (Salvador) that we are clearly trying to move out.
I think the Toronto media has tried to show Phaneuf as a savior, especially since he was given the C.
No miracle there.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 19, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like it is possible in a lot of ways. The players are even talking about him which means there are likely serious talks between the teams. He would also be a perfect fit.

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

“Serious talks between the teams”? Is there a single reliable source that has said any of this, or are we talking the same places we’ve been hearing the Kovalchuk-LA Kings hokey-pokey dance from?

As far as that “perfect fit” goes, my opinion of his play and his numbers is that he’s a defensive catastrophe waiting to happen. On a team that is tight defensively and will struggle to put up offensive numbers (since Kaberle almost certainly means no Kovy), that isn’t something that can be afforded or tolerated for very long. If y’all disliked Mike Mottau, you’ll despise this guy after a few weeks.

….

There’s practically nothing going on insofar as NHL news right now. No major trades, and free agency has slowed to a trickle outside the ongoing “Kovalchuk Free Agency Hostage Crisis”. Most of these reporters and bloggers have nothing better to do besides invent mountains of rumours from molehills of information. Does anyone remember the “Therrien to coach NJ Devils” reports that circulated merely from one phone call between Lou and Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero, plus Therrien’s Pittsburgh house being on the market?

Kaberle might, might be one of Lou’s “Plan B” options. Or he might not…. Burke could be floating rumours like this to try and drive the price up. After all, Kaberle has been on the market for more than a year. Sure, Tomas put the kibosh on a couple of deals when his NTC was in effect, but his presence in Toronto isn’t on account of a lack of trying to trade him.

by acasser on Jul 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

List of things that would cost (the stuff we would have to give up, not the salary) the same/less then Kaberle that I would rather have:
-Sheldon Souray (Trade)
-Eric Belanger (F.A)
-Sammy Palhsson (Trade)
-Either Rostislav Klesla or Fedor Tyutin (Trade)
-Pavel Kubina (Trade)
-Kim Johnsson (F.A.)

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by slackdog_rm on Jul 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Tyutin. And you forgot Burns.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Burns would actually be as expensive as Kaberle… there is no “truculence” dogma in Minnesota that is calling for him to leave. He is still young and has alot of potential left and I don’t think the Wild would look to be getting rid of him for the sake of doing it.

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by slackdog_rm on Jul 15, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did Tallinder become a shutdown defenseman?

He’s a two way player D-man who is good in his own zone and not that great in the offensive zone. Shutdown specialist like the A-train he is not.

by Zelepukin on Jul 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not as good as Volch but he is still more oriented on his defense with putting in some offense too.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 15, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallinder was used as a shutdown defensman in buffalo and did very well in that role

by brodeur30 on Jul 15, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Lou would make a deal for Kaberle. I think he’s gonna do something along the line’s of trading Salvadore to Minnisota for Havlat.He would be a good fit on the right side with Arnott & Elias.
I also think that Fraser is going to get signed, & is going to play a bit of a bigger role for the Devils. I think he played really well last season for his first season. I think he’s going to come to camp alot more prepared and have something to build on from last year.

by maliky on Jul 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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