Mikko Koivu's Extension Will Impact New Jersey Devils Zach Parise's & Travis Zajac's Future
The big news in the hockey world yesterday, and still being discussed today, is Mikko Koivu's massive contract extension with the Minnesota Wild. It's a 7 year deal that will pay out a total of $47.5 million dollar, with the average per year value being $6.75 million. The structure of the deal is a little unorthodox, per CapGeek, but at no point will Koivu be paid less than $5.4 million.
Wild fan and managing editor BReynolds defends the deal at Hockey Wilderness; from a neutral perspective, Gabe at Behind the Net thinks it's a very good deal; and Greg Wyshynski at Puck Daddy has this quote from general manager Chuck Fletcher about the amount of money given to a guy who just topped 70 points this past season:
"You look around the league at all the No. 1 centers in the league, and you ask yourself honestly, 'How many players are better than Mikko?'" said Fletcher.
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"To define Mikko by his statistics is to miss the point of what he's all about," he said.
That's all well and good. I'm not here to argue whether the contract is worth it for Mikko Koivu. He is the face of their franchise, their captain, their top center, etc., etc. I'm not arguing that at all. The big reason why I brought it up earlier on this site is because this deal will set the market for top forwards in the NHL to some degree. The deal the 27-year old, formerly pending UFA will defintiely be pointed to by players and agents in the future for deals that they feel they are deserving. This is where the New Jersey Devils come in. Koivu's contract Zach Parise (who is a RFA after this season) and Travis Zajac (who will become a 28-year old UFA after 2013). In my opinion, cases can be made for both of them deserving at least as much as Mikko Koivu with the help of advanced statistics, regardless of Fletcher's opinion.
The short term concern is, of course, Parise. The Devils have 12 players signed for next season and $17.8 million of cap space (assuming no increase or decrease of the ceiling). Parise will be a restricted free agent, but given his quality and the desire to want to keep him long term, most Devils fans would like to see an extension. Thanks to the Koivu deal, this will be a large sum of money and will take up much of that cap space.
The long-term concern is Travis Zajac. Like Koivu, Zajac is the Devils' top center. Like Koivu, Zajac plays significant minutes in all situations. Like Koivu (until this past season), Zajac plays against tough competition night in and night out. No, Zajac isn't the team's captain or the face of the franchise, but I think the two players are at least comparable. Therefore, in a few years, even if the Devils may have large amounts of cap space, Zajac and his representation are going to look at Koivu's big deal and understandably demand something similar. The Devils will have to seriously consider whether Zajac is that important enough to the team to commit a significant portion of the cap. Moreso if Parise is re-signed for massive amounts of money. You may not be worried about it now, but smart cap management involves looking beyond just the next season.
I'd like to point out how comparable all three players are to illustrate my concern. Please set your viewing to Wide before continuing.
It's easy to sit down and look at the following and conclude that Zajac is at least close to Koivu and Parise's better than both. (Stats per NHL.com)
Of course, that wouldn't be much of an analysis and it doesn't really say all that much other than production and minutes. I'd like to use some advanced statistics to really point out their contribution to their respective teams over the past three seasons and what impact each player had on the ice. What Koivu brings to the table isn't seen by simple point totals, but the same can be said for both Zajac and Parise.
And remember,I'm not saying whether the Mikko Koivu extension was smart or not. I'm arguing how similar or better Zajac and Parise are than Koivu.
GVT (Goals Versus Threshold)
Tom Awad's all-time GVT list may be normalized across multiple eras, but it allow to look back and compare each player's GVT from each season.

Unsurprisingly, this is similar to what one would conclude the point totals. This makes sense since GVT is a results-based statistic. It's not completely pointless. This fully details the rise of each player over the last three season, it shows a consistent increase for defensive GVT for Parise, and it's further evidence that Parise is the biggest contributor to their team, with Koivu and Zajac providing about the same.
While not normalized and only for last season, a quick jump over to Behind the Net's GVT listing shows Zajac and Parise being league leaders in defensive GVT among forwards. Not that Koivu is a slouch in this area, just look at his 2008-09 DGVT. Yet, how did it fall last season whilst Zajac and Parise soared?
For that, let's look at the even strength data from Behind the Net and see how each of the three did on-ice and their impact on-ice.
2007-08 Even Strength On-Ice Data

Mikko Koivu has his 2007-08 season shortened, but in the 57 games he did play, he played against tough competition regularly and put up excellent on-ice and on-ice impact numbers in goals against (GA/60) and shots against (SA/60). His adjusted Corsi was also among the best among top minute forwards. Elsewhere, he below the median and not quite good in terms of on-ice shots for per 60 (SF/60). His PDO was quite high, though.
Parise and Zajac both were superior in terms of adjusted Corsi, but all three did so well that you can't knock either one. Their PDO was lower than Koivu; but all three great goals for per 60 (GF/60) either on-ice or in terms of impact. Zajac was superior to Koivu in terms of shots against both on-ice and in impact; but Koivu's goals against could not be touched.
In terms of across the board (top 30 rankings), Koivu stands tall here due to doing it all against tougher competition. Still, only Parise yielded a significant enough positive impact on offense outside of PDO and Corsi - he did it with SF/60.
2008-09 Even Strength On-Ice Data
Here, Zajac didn't play enough minutes at even strength to make it to the rankings I previously made. I wouldn't be too concerned though. He certainly did well enough on his own with similar numbers to Zach Parise. OK, Parise had a much stronger impact on SF/60, GF/60, and SA/60 as well as a ridiculously good adjusted Corsi. Still, Zajac had very positive values in numerous stats.
I can't understate this season for Parise enough. A quick look at the rankings show that Parise was an even strength beast in 2008-09. Only in on-ice team shooting percentage (SPCT) and impact on GA/60 did Parise fail to crack the top 30 and he was just outside the group in GA/60. Only one forward ranked in more stats than Parise in 2008-09 and that was Pavel Datsyuk, who is also a complete forward and 5-on-5 machine.
Mikko Koivu played against tougher competition, but not as tough as 2007-08 and some of his stats actually got worse. On ice GA/60 dropped from being the best among top minute forwards to just outside the group. The other team actually scored more goals at a higher rate when he was on the ice. His adjusted Corsi fell like Wile E. Coyote off of a cliff. His impact on SA/60 also fell close to zero. It's not that Koivu was bad - most of his rankings hover around the median, more below than not. It's that Parise smoked Koivu among a lot of players at even strength in 08-09. If Zajac played 13 TOI/60, then I'd imagine his rankings would highlight that he was better than Koivu too.
2009-10 Even Strength On-Ice Data
Jacques Lemaire went from Minnesota to New Jersey in 2009-10 and the quality of competition shows it. Lemaire tended to play his best players against the other team's best players. Todd Richards didn't, and so Koivu's quality of competition fell. Perhaps that's why his offensive numbers improved? Yet, in terms of base on-ice numbers, Koivu didn't rank so well. At least he was great at on-ice SA/60; more so with his impact on SA/60. Koivu has that over the two Devils here. He also had a better on-ice team shooting percentage than the two, for what it's worth.
Yet, that's really it. Again, Parise and Zajac ranked better in more stats. Their adjusted Corsi fell while Koivu improved, but they're still ahead of him by a good amount. While Koivu had a positive impact, much less a strong one, on SA/60; Parise and Zajac were excellent in terms of SF/60 and GA/60. Basically, when they were on the ice, while the shots against rate worsened a bit, the goals against rate dropped as their own shooting rate improved. It's definitely a fair tradeoff. Parise's strong impact on GF/60 further justifies a reputation of being a great even strength player.
While Mikko Koivu's numbers weren't bad and arguably the best in 2007-08, Parise and Zajac showed to be better than him at even strength in 2008-09 and 2009-10. This past season really hammers home the point. Both placed among the top 30 forwards with a TOI/60 of at least 13 more than Koivu last season. Koivu is only superior in three stats and only ranked highly in two of them (SA/60). Zajac and Parise have had a stronger impact in more stats and often ranked very well there.
Moreover, they've done all this last season against tougher competition than Koivu. If John MacLean has the dynamic duo player weaker minutes, their impact could be stronger if they keep up this pace of on-ice impact and production. By no means is Koivu a bad player, but given that most of the game is played at 5-on-5, it seems to me that Zajac is definitely similar to Koivu and Parise is a better player overall.
Additional Factors
All three players have other stats that should be considered. While not applicable to Parise since he's a winger, Mikko Koivu can claim superiority at faceoffs. He won 56.9% of 1,518 draws last season, which is absolutely impressive. Going back the two years prior, though, Koivu was quite good but not as impeccable with winning percentages of 52.5% (07-08) and 52.7 (08-09). Perhaps Mikko broke out last season? Perhaps he was just hot all season long and he'll go back down to Zajac's level? That level is still quite good, as Zajac's winning percentages went from 51.2% to 53.1% to 52.9% in his last three seasons.
One area where the two Devils stand out shooting percentage. While Parise and Zajac enjoyed rather high PDO values last season, their career shooting percentages are 11.8% and 11.1%, respectively. Parise's career low was 10.5% (rookie season) and Zajac's career low was 9.0% (only time below 10%, 07-08). Koivu's career shooting percentage stands at 8.9%, his high was the only time he broke 10% with 12.3% in 06-07 and his low was 6.9% as a rookie. Who knows where all three will be next season, but if their careers are indicative, then I'd expect Parise and Zajac to put up a higher shooting percentage than Koivu. Given that Parise shoots all day long and Zajac has improved in taking more shots like Koivu, it wouldn't surprise me at all if both put up more goals than Koivu next season and in future seasons.
Koivu can hold over the dual intangible of being the franchise's top player. He is their captain, their face, their top player, and no one else on the roster can speak of doing as much or that much better than Koivu. Parise could be a captain depending on whether the locker room will listen to him, and he's in line to be the next franchise player as Martin Brodeur's and Patrik Elias' careers move on to their final phases. Zajac can't reach both short of stepping up in a big way both on and off the ice. That's not a slight for Zajac, but it is something that may hold him back in a negotiation should a comparison of Mikko Koivu comes up.
Conclusion
Ultimately, the whole point of this post was to do just that. Again, I am not questioning the contract Minnesota gave to Koivu. I'm highlighting how it will impact other team's deals, Parise and Zajac in particular on New Jersey. I will admit this is not a complete analysis as there are no special teams discussions.
Still, one can argue that Zach Parise and Travis Zajac are similar if not better players overall than Mikko Koivu in multiple areas ranging from straight up production to goals versus threshold to on-ice even strength advanced statistics. It logically follows that if they are better than Koivu, then they could command a contract that is larger than his. Remember: Koivu's cap hit is $6.75 million and it's for 7 years. When discussion eventually turns to Zach Parise's extension, expect bigger numbers to be brought up. We're talking big money deals the Devils have never offered to a player in the cap era before.
I look at this deal as a "floor" for what Parise could ask for in an extension. The idea that Parise should or will take less money as a "hometown discount" is romantic, but completely unrealistic. Especially now that Mikko Koivu's average yearly salary is $6.75 million. Parise has contributed more to his team, he's also the next franchise player for his respective team, and his on-ice impact is like his production: beloved by Devils fans all around the world. There is no way Parise will want a smaller average salary deal than Koivu short of something ridiculously front-loaded or having some bizarre representation.
As for Zajac, again, it's not for a couple of years, but we're going to see the same issue come up then. Should Zajac keep playing at this high of a level, again similar or better than Koivu in some areas, then he's going to want a similar contract as well. And this too is a significant amount of money short of the salary cap shooting up to dizzying heights. Even with a new CBA in place by then, Koivu's deal is still going to be firmly placed on the Wild's books and in the minds of every agent of a #1 center going forward. I think the two players are quite comparable right now, and I think they could remain comparable in the next few years despite their status on the team. The Devils should really stray from offering too many long contracts now lest they want to undercut themselves for keeping Zajac after 2012-2013.
This may mean not signing Ilya Kovalchuk at all to ensure Parise and Zajac staying in New Jersey. Personally, I think that's the best direction for the team to take; though, I'm sure an argument the other way can be made.
It's not even just Zajac and Parise that will be affected by the Koivu extension. Look at other centers, like 2011-UFA Patrice Bergeron or 2011-RFA Steven Stamkos. You may want to start comparing both and other top forwards to Mikko Koivu now to get an idea of what they'll want in 2011. It's funny how that in an offseason where only one high-profile free agent forward is available with the rest re-signing prior to July 1, a fat contract extension to an already-established could have a powerful effect on future contracts. Perhaps this will be balanced out by other top players taking less money or something else happening. Or it could be exacerbated if Mikko Koivu flops after the extension, leaving more players to point at his deal and demand similar or better deals. The future is certainly interesting but all signs point to more big contracts being given out. It's best for Devils fans to expect and accept this now rather than get surprised when it happens later.
High quality players deserve high quality money. Koivu is the latest example of that and the deal he got will ensure that the truism will continue for many years to come in the NHL.
Now it's your turn. Do you think Zach Parise is better than Mikko Koivu? Do you think Travis Zajac and Mikko Koivu are similar players? What other ways would you like me to compare the three players? How much do you think Parise and Zajac could command when their deals are about to expire? Please let me know your thoughts and answers in the comments.
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interesting tidbit
Should an extension not happen during the upcoming season, and should Parise elect to go to arbitration, he CAN’T use Koivu’s deal or any other UFA contract as evidence in the arbitration hearing. Per the CBA:
The following categories of evidence are inadmissible and shall not be considered by the Arbitrator:
(1) Any contract the term of which began when the player party to such contract was not a Group II Player;
(2) Any contract entered into by an Unrestricted Free Agent…
The Koivu deal is certainly going to have an effect on negotiations for a contract extension, but should it come to arbitration they can’t use it as evidence.
Let’s all hope it doesn’t go that far regardless.
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That is an excellent point, the Koivu and other such deals can’t be used as comparable.
Though, if Parise goes to arbitration, then there’s going to be a lot of unhappiness. It was thankfully avoided last summer with Zajac, but history shows that those who go to arbitration with Lou do not remain Devils for long.
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by John Fischer on Jul 17, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I can name a few...
Crosby
Malkin
Richards
Kopitar
Backstrom
Getzlaf
Sedin
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Best comparable?
Thanks for the write-up John, I suppose I have to back down a bit on my stance on Koivu’s contract. Having him on my Fantasy teams and watching Minnesota feeds of Wild hockey have most likely skewed my view a bit.
That being said, I can agree on the comparison of Zajac, but have a hard time with Koivu being a comparable for Parise for simple reasons; different position and different type of player.
Maybe a better comparable for Parise would be Marleau, work ethic notwithstanding? What do you think?
To answer your questions;
- Yes, Parise is a better player than Koivu on the whole
- Zajac will be a comparable when his contract comes up
- I would be very interested to see a PK comparison, where I think Koivu shines
- Parise could command Nash money, Zajac will have a harder time getting what he may deserve because of Parise’s contract, depending of course on how the new CBA works. But I think Koivu money is his Cap.
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different type of playerI mean Parise is a goal-scorer, Koivu is a set-up man.
"What in tarnation's goin' on 'round here?!?" - Yosemite Sam in reference to Ilya Kovalchuk not yet signing
Zajac will have a harder time getting what he may deserve because of Parise’s contract,
It’s possible, and the market may have something to do with it (i.e. the cap going down or only going up minimally) but the trend of late is for teams to go top-heavy with big contracts to a few very good/outstanding players and do their best with what they have left. Lou may see it differently, but I think it’s a natural progression of the salary cap and rising salaries and I don’t see that trend reversing any time soon.
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That being said, I can agree on the comparison of Zajac, but have a hard time with Koivu being a comparable for Parise for simple reasons; different position and different type of player.
They’re both forwards and top players on their team.
I know one is a winger who is a shot machine and the other is a center who’s more inclined to set people up, but ultimately, Parise and his people are going to point at contracts like Mikko Koivu’s and say “I’m more valuable than him, I do more on the ice than him, and so I deserve a better contract than him.” The Devils or any other team aren’t going to turn around and say, “No, you can only say that about a fellow, goal scoring left wing.” Parise’s point will be made.
Perhaps this is a minor point. You do agree with my main point – Parise’s better than Koivu now, therefore, he can command more money and that will affect what Zajac or any other #1 center would want on top of Koivu’s deal.
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by John Fischer on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Giving Parise the same deal or more is reasonable if you ask me. Prior to this I would be expecting a 5-7 Mil deal for him.
If he scores another 40 goals and 80+ points he could easily ask for close to 7 Million a year.
GM politics aside. I think someone will give him a qualifying offer for about that as a RFA and give up the draft picks….I would.
i don’t think an offer sheet for Parise will ever really materialize. The nature of offer sheets is such that if you think the team owning the player is definitely going to match your offer, you don’t bother floating it out there. You’re only setting yourself up for retribution in the future. The Devils would easily match any offer sheet up to $8 million for Zach Parise, and at that salary level we’re talking about FOUR first-round draft picks as compensation.
John, I don’t disagree at all about Parise. He means as much to the Devils as Koivu means to Minnesota, and he is a better player. I think he easily deserves $7.5 million per year, even as an RFA. I certainly hope that the Devils lock him up long-term and are able to bring down that cap hit some.
However, I think these stats are limited by the fact that they can be affected by who you have as linemates. Players who consistently play with better linemates should put up better numbers than a similar player on a crappy line. You send Koivu out there with two bags of pucks and of course his GF, GA, SF, and SA are going to suffer. Parise and Zajac have been consistently paired together for years now while other Devils’ forwards have had to suffer through endless line juggling. I don’t think there’s been a stretch of 10 games where they haven’t been linemates.
I know you’re trying to prove a point, but you rather conveniently made no mention of the fact that there was a HUGE difference in QualTeam between Koivu vs. Parise and Zajac in 2008-2009 as well as a lesser, but still significant, difference in 2009-10. Parise and Zajac’s QualTeams are consistently very close to each other – because they play together all the time and are each on the ice with the same teammates as the other! And Zajac’s QualTeam is always a little higher than Parise’s – because Parise’s presence boosts Zajac’s QualTeam.
Koivu has shown that he can excel when playing against the opposition’s top line, just as Zajac has, but his coach has chosen not to use him in that role anymore. Koivu has produced more points with lesser linemates. He is better on faceoffs and is the captain of his team. But honestly, whether Zajac is at the same level, or better than Koivu is a moot question. At the end of the day, Zajac is an excellent player who benefits from lining up next to a bona fide superstar, and that will hurt him in contract negotiations. I think Zajac falls into the $5.5 – 6.0 M range, well short of Koivu’s contract.
I know you’re trying to prove a point, but you rather conveniently made no mention of the fact that there was a HUGE difference in QualTeam between Koivu vs. Parise and Zajac in 2008-2009 as well as a lesser, but still significant, difference in 2009-10
No I didn’t. I’ve included QUALTEAM along with QUALCOMP in all three charts. If I wanted to avoid the matter, then I wouldn’t have included it.
Truth be told, there’s some merit in how a coach utilizes a player affects their stats. For example, is it no wonder Koivu hit career highs in points when he wasn’t facing tough competition every single night? All while Minnesota’s coach figured to leave Martin Havlat on a separate line?
Moreover, you’re right that Zajac and Parise are usually paired together. Yet, Parise has been among the very best forwards in the entire league with respect to on-ice stats and impact on those stats in recent seasons. More so than Zajac. Therefore, it’s clear who’s the better of the two. Still, Zajac still ranked highly in most stats more than most forwards. If he can consistently do that for a few seasons, it weakens the argument that “He’s only good with Parise” and strengthens the one that says “He’s quite good.”
But honestly, whether Zajac is at the same level, or better than Koivu is a moot question.
No, it’s not. When it comes time for a contract extension or a new deal down the road, Zajac and his representation are going to state the ways Zajac’s performance was similar or better than Koivu, and then demand a similar amount of money. That’s the whole point of this post – it’s not moot at all. Koivu’s extension directly affects only the Wild, but will indirectly set the bar for a lot of pending free agent forwards for years to come.
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by John Fischer on Jul 18, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve included QUALTEAM along with QUALCOMP in all three charts. If I wanted to avoid the matter, then I wouldn’t have included it.
You always include the same stats in all of your even-strength player analyses. I appreciate that you’re consistent with using the same statistical criteria. You just didn’t discuss these particular stats in the text of this post, even though I think the QualTeam is VERY pertinent as a counterargument that the Devils could use in contract negotiations with Zajac.
If he can consistently do that for a few seasons, it weakens the argument that "He’s only good with Parise" and strengthens the one that says "He’s quite good."
If he consistently puts up great stats for a few seasons with Parise on his wing every season, then all you can say by deductive reasoning is that “He is great with Parise on his wing”. You can’t extrapolate that out to definitively say “He’d be just as great even without Parise on his wing”. To make any comment on his play without Parise on his wing would be inference.
I, too, infer that “he’s quite good”. But I also infer that his stats wouldn’t be as impressive if he had Andrew Brunette on his wing instead of Parise.
I admit the wording of “moot question” was too strong. And I also meant to say that “whether Zajac’s STATS are at the same level, or better than Koivu’s is moot”. Zajac and Koivu are similar style players with similar stats, but the comparison is still not apples to apples. Unless – heaven forbid – Parise gets injured for a long time and Zajac is able to showcase his individual talent without Parise on his wing, Zajac will never have the negotiating leverage that Koivu did. The fact that Zajac plays with much better wingers and that Koivu means so so much to his franchise will make a huge difference in contract negotiations.
I don’t disagree that Koivu’s contract sets a bar. But as far as Zajac is concerned, Koivu’s contract is the upper limit of what he could earn, not a standard to define the middle-of-the-road. Zajac’s agent will point to Koivu’s contract and say, “My client deserves that much”. Lou will say “We love Travis and think he’s an excellent player, but he has benefited from playing with our franchise cornerstone” and will then offer him something north of $5.0 M per year. My prediction is that they find a common middle ground somewhere shy of $6 million a year. Do you really think Zajac will end up getting more than Koivu?
How it won't
Praise will only get 6 – 7 at the most. Wether thats what he gets for 10 years straight or its a front loaded contract the cap hit will not surpass 7 I doubt it’ll pass 6.5 Zajac will make 4.5 – 5.5 at the most. What you forgot also is that Roloston’s contract is up in 2 years ( before zajac) and elias expires the same year as zajacs.. Roloston will be gone and Elias will cost like 2.5 – 3 instead of 6. ( In 3 seasons,..he drinks red kool aid ) Lou has thought about this.. ( but with common sense and not just senseless statistics ) The devils will continue there path of being the best modern franchise to date. In Lou I Trust.
Praise will only get 6 – 7 at the most. Wether thats what he gets for 10 years straight or its a front loaded contract the cap hit will not surpass 7 I doubt it’ll pass 6.5 Zajac will make 4.5 – 5.5 at the most.
1) The man’s name is spelled P-A-R-I-S-E
2) Why? Why should anyone think this? What is the reasoning? Where is the rationale?
What you forgot also is that Roloston’s contract is up in 2 years ( before zajac) and elias expires the same year as zajacs.. Roloston will be gone and Elias will cost like 2.5 – 3 instead of 6.
I didn’t forget, none of this has to do with the point of the post: Mikko Koivu’s extension is going to affect future deals with current Devils down the line and drive their cost up. Whoever would be off the books is a different issue.
Lou has thought about this.. ( but with common sense and not just senseless statistics )
None of this makes any sense.
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by John Fischer on Jul 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
parise-praise, whats the difference?,…dont we all praise him, im shocked you didnt mention the Rolston name,
why do people keep talking about Zajac, doesnt his contract expire in 3years?, long ways away
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why do people keep talking about Zajac, doesnt his contract expire in 3years?, long ways away
I’ve addressed this in this very post.
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by John Fischer on Jul 18, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying Zajac and Parise aren't equal or better than Koivu, but...
1) The western conference is stronger than the East (as evidenced by the number of points it takes to reach the playoffs in each conference), hence the average competition is tougher for M.K.
2) The Wild’s a much weaker team than the Devils. M.K. doesn’t have much of a supporting cast right now. Hell, M.K.’s linemates have been Antti Miettinen and Andrew Brunette for the last two seasons, so 70 points is nothing to scoff at in his case.
Again, not saying Zajac and Parise aren’t equal or better. In fact, Parise is an absolute beast! I honestly have to say I don’t know much about Zajac however, since I’ve only see him play once against the Wild.
But as Mark Twain once said: ‘’There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics’‘. You just can’t compare players with stats. They don’t play against the same teams, in the same situations, with the same people, etc…
Glad you’re one of the sensible people who don’t automatically dismiss Koivu’s contract. You have to see him play a couple of times to understand he’s the real deal and the contract made absolute sense, because points truly mean nothing in his case.
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You just can’t compare players with stats.
Sure you can. Teams, analysts, reporters, fans, and others do it all the time. Stats may not say everything, but they can explain a lot more about why Mikko Koivu is a good player and how he stacks up against others in the league.
Without stats, must we have to see players to make a proper judgment and hope they are playing at their true level instead of having a really good or bad day? To further open our thoughts to be colored by our own confirmation bias? I think that’s absurd and not feasible for most, if not all people.
Koivu, by the stats, is a great player. I would only dismiss his contract because I think the Wild could have got him similar money but for a lower cap hit. Or at least to not give him over $9 million in salary at age, what, 34?
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by John Fischer on Jul 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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