Greed and Loyalty: Why it's OK (not greedy) to Demand Big $
Hello everybody! This is my very first post as a member of your fine establishment. How did I discover this site? Well, as the daylight of July 1st waned and the moon rose in the sky, with it rose the feelings of frustration and sinking helplessness that were unavoidable for a Devils fan. Only several hours prior, the promise of perhaps the league's greatest purest goal scorer seemed to sparkle and gleam as brilliantly as that daytime sun, allowing us to bask in the warm and comforting radiance of a shining star's offensive power. When the brightness of that glow had dimmed too far, I went searching for explanations. I found In Lou We Trust.
Like every fan that has been spurned by the promise of something great, my initial reaction to the Kovalchuk saga was one of blame. We are only human, and when we are confronted by deep disappointment, it is only natural to try and identify someone on whom we can unload the burden of our disenchantment. We have placed this burden on Ilya Kovalchuk.
But this post IS NOT about Ilya Kovalchuk; rather, it is about every time we sports fans try to argue that a player should take less money to stay with his team, or should hold loyalty above monetary considerations. I already see this argument playing out with regard to Zach Parise.
Consider this comment, which I just read in another post:
--"do the right think parise and stay in NJ for 6mill or so, dont be greedy like some player we know" -- Jul 18, 2010 9:39 AM PDT
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here it goes: if Parise doesn't stay with us because he wants an extra million a year, he is completely justified in doing so. We are rabidly devoted to our team. We, as fans, must nurse constant disappointment, year in and year out. But Zach (and Kovy, and anyone else) cannot be blamed for wanting more money.
When we say things like this, we forget the human element. These players are human beings, not inanimate blocks on which we build a team that will make us happy. Please, consider these points before you chastise a player in this situation:
- Most importantly: The job that these players have is, by its very nature, precarious in every sense of the word. No matter how great a player is, his job is far from guaranteed beyond even tonight's game. At any moment, his career can be ended by an injury. If he is, say, 25 years old, what happens when his career ends tonight? If he is a player who has received the usual NHL salary, maybe he has saved $4 or $5 million so far, and maybe $10 million is he's Parise and he has been very, very frugal. He's now 25, has a wife and three kids, and was hoping to retire with them after his career finished. His family was hoping for this too. Unfortunately, he didn't save enough to support him and his family forever. But he could have signed a contract where he would have made $2 million more a year, and now he hates himself for passing that up. Why should a player sacrifice that security out of loyalty to his team? Considering this, let's look at my next point:
- Let's say there is a player who is going to sign a ten year contract. He has a wife and three children. He wants an extra $2 million a year. Over ten years, this adds up to $20 million! Can you imagine going home to you wife and children and trying to explain why you gave up $20 million for your family?
- We also forget that a significant amount of a player's salary goes to his agent and taxes. You may be thinking that a player like Parise, having played for several years now with a significant salary, has saved up well over $10 million. But nearly 40% of that salary every year goes to taxes. Another portion has gone to his agent. What if he has a family? How much do they contribute to his expenses every year? We think that a player making $5 million a year for five years has made $25 million, but depending on his expenses (especially a family), he probably hasn't even saved close to half of that. What happens when his career ends tonight? He is 25, with a wife and three young children, and the security that they all thought they had may not last forever, and certainly the quality of life they have had will not last for very long at all. He now has to tell his kids why they won't be able to live the way have known for their entire lives, and that perhaps in ten years, daddy will have to go do something else, even though everybody thought they had enough money to be happy forever.
Sure, we can say, "so what? He'll have to go out and get a job like everyone else." But the point is that it didn't have to be that way. He had a chance to make sure that he could retire after his career, that he and his family would be able to live the life they wanted, and he gave up that opportunity because he loved his fans, and his fans demanded that he be loyal.
In the end, we should all consider what we would do in a player's situation when it comes to these decisions, and we should be honest with ourselves about it. We can say that we would be loyal and take $1 or $2 million less a year, but go take a look at your family and ask yourself if you would really want to do that. Are there greedy people in the NHL? Sure, they're everywhere. Might it be the case that Kovalchuk is one of them? Of course! But it is unfair to say unequivocally that greed is his sole motivation when he demands more money. In the case of a player wanting to make $10 million instead of $8 million a year for ten years, I would say greed is even pretty likely, but it is unfair to say that this is the absolute truth. And when it comes to someone like Zach, who's young and hasn't made the huge bucks for many years? Well, in that case, we should just keep our mouths shut completely when he demands more than the Devils can pay and he goes elsewhere.
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i know what you mean, but us fans just want some people to stay..if i was kovalchuk for instance, obviously people are going to go after me and have lots of time in the world, i would want the most money i get offered and sleep on it for few days
we cant lose parise though, if we do then this time ill be really really really pissed!!, plus his dad -JP parise played for islanders and zach plays for devils, both hate rangers, im sure he would love to stay since his face is everywhere in NJ, and how he does that “reading to the kids” things ever year (or something like that), does lots of community stuff
when we lost gomez, gionta, i didnt care (mainly gomez, prob worst then kovy-money wise) , but Niedermayer kinda made me mad, but thats the past and im sure lou wont give up parise without a HUGE fight, sign him and lock him up for 10years, and maybe in 1-2years you can be captain
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Sorry J-camps :) It was just the first one I thought of using. I didn’t want to attribute it to anyone, but it’s obviously something many, many people have said.
Is it ok with you? I can remove it and just say, “people have said things like [insert similar but made up quote here]”
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 18, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
its fine
i just lol’d because you picked mine out of the other 1000 people who also say the same thing, i love it though, makes me feel special
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Could you actually link to the comment itself? The date and time act as a permalink, so people know where you got it from.
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by John Fischer on Jul 18, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you asking me or J-camps? I purposely didn’t link because i didn’t want to attribute it to someone, I just wanted an example. Also, I think everyone who reads this article has already seen a million similar comments, so I figured I didn’t really need to give a source.
But I guess now the cat’s out of the bag…If it’s alright with Senor Camps, I will do that
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 18, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
You know, this is going to become a huge issue over the coming seasons. I think Mikko Koivu’s contract has really solidified the conventional wisdom that we are now in the era of the big money multi-year contract.
But while I’m concerned about what it means for team’s like ours when we are trying to sign someone like Parise, there is something that worries me even more: What about the lesser players? What happens now to the guys that make less than $2 million a year. And, even worse, what happens to the kids that are just coming up, the ones who will begin their careers in any of the coming seasons? I think this trend is going to have a huge effect on the kinds of contracts they get and, more importantly, whether they even get to play in the NHL that often. I think team’s will try and rotate AHLers in and out of the lineup to avoid bringing on any one of them and paying an NHL salary.
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap, I had meant to respond to your second comment my first time, and now I just responded to that other comment, right when you responded to this first one I made! I’m a mess.
Yeah, I was thinking of writing this now for several days, and finally that thread made me do it. Yours was just the last one I had read when I decided to write this thing.
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Let's add another point
Kovalchuk’s in the prime of his career and given the history of past Goal Scoring Machines per Quisp, this is really the only time where’s he going to cash in.
I don’t think it’s greed to want as much value for your services. Kovalchuk’s not demanding a big contract just for the sake of having a big contract. What he does well is rare in the league and he’s proven consistency of said skills for the past 5-6 years (or more). The negotiations, of course, are all about how much said services are really worth but I don’t see it as anymore selfish than a team wanting a player to take less money for whatever reason.
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“but I don’t see it as anymore selfish than a team wanting a player to take less money for whatever reason.”
That’s actually a great point, and it’s one that never occurred to me. I guess I (and most other people) always focus on what the players is asking, but forget that there is another side to the negotiations that is also trying to squeeze as much money out of it as possible.
And I apologize for my newbie posting idiocy :)
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 18, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
These are great points you make in this post. I think fans, in any sport rooting for (almost) any team, tend to be an optimistic, hopeful bunch. The exception is probably the small-market fans with a history of failure, who have had the optimism beaten out of them. But as Devils fans, we’ve been lucky enough to watch a winning team for the past 15 yrs and things have tended to go our way. We’ve seen players be incredibly loyal to the franchise, as well as witnessing how the team has survived, and even thrived, after players have left to chase money and big-market glory. It’s no wonder we’re a pretty optimistic bunch on this site.
So on the one hand, I can kind of understand why people expect our star players to take less money in order to stay. We invest our emotions into the team and into our favorite players, and for a star to leave us isn’t that far removed from getting dumped by a girlfriend/boyfriend. That said, I think such expectations are unreasonable and irrational. As you point out, these players have their own lives and families to take care of – and their multi-year contracts are HUGE commitments. How many of us would be willing to commit the next 7 years to our current jobs, knowing that you can’t leave for another company? What if you made this commitment to your company and next year they bring in a new guy to be your direct boss who is a complete nutjob? What if your company goes cheap on you and switches to some awful health insurance plan?
So when it comes to thinking about what the contract demands of such-and-such star player are going to be, I think the smart thing to do is to “hope for the best and prepare for the worst”. I HOPE Zach makes a big sacrifice and takes 6 mil per year over a long term, but I’m fully prepared for the possibility that he may ask for $8 million and that some team out there would be happy to give it to him. And honestly, if he asked for 8, I would give it to him and I wouldn’t hold any kind of grudge against him. As much as I want to get rid of Rolston, I can’t blame the guy for seeking out his jackpot and not playing up to those standards.
You know, the level of loyalty that the Devils organization instills in its players has always amazed me. I think a big part of that is probably that many players are given their first big chance in New Jersey and they feel that the Devils are largely responsible for their careers (whether another team would have taken them eventually or not). Still, it also seems like players feel that their services are valued here. I guess the other aspect is the level of teamwork; we all know how much this organization emphasizes the group over the individual (Oh Noz, Communists!).
Now, when it comes to someone like Rolston, I do get angry. I am perfectly fine with the man seeking out his pot of gold, but once you sign that contract you commit to giving your best effort night in and night out, especially if you’re getting paid the big bucks. Perhaps if Rolston were being underpaid, I would understand a feeling of resentment, which might result in poor effort. In the case of Rolston, he was given an amazing contract and has completely ignored his end of the bargain. When you’re being paid $5 million a year, you can’t leave the puck to the other team when it goes into the corner just because you don’t want to get hit [insert every other Rolston complaint here].
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 19, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he sucks for lack of trying. He’s obviously not a fierce competitor along the boards, but he didn’t carry that reputation with him when he came here anyway. He came with a reputation for a big shot and a consistent 30 G, 30 A. He has proven to be a poor fit for our team’s style, both at even strength and on the PP, and he seems to have lost a step, which shouldn’t be that surprising given his age. Also, his role on the Devils is reduced from his role in Minnesota. Consequently, all we can really expect out of him is maybe 20G, 20A. And we’re all certainly upset that we are paying $5M a year for a guy to pot a maybe-40-pts-per-year and contribute little in the way of the intangibles so many of us are fond of. But I personally don’t think the guy is slacking off and doesn’t care that he’s underperforming – he just wasn’t as good as advertised when he came here. Blame Lou for that, not Rolston. Although it’s hard to blame Lou because I was totally on board with Rolston’s signing 2 yrs ago. We all got suckered, and the people you hear laughing are in Minnesota.
I don’t know. We obviously just disagree here about how to interpret his play, but it wasn’t necessarily his scoring (or lack thereof) that made me question his effort; rather, it was his defense, backchecking, etc. that was troubling to me.
It often seemed like he would lose the puck in the neutral zone, or the opposition would regain the puck in their own zone and break out, and Rolston just sort of glided back to our end with no attempt to backcheck and catch up. I know he’s never been too strong along the boards, but it really seemed like he wasn’t even willing to get hit most of the time. There were many infuriating moments where it seemed to me like Rolston had the jump on the opposition to get to a loose puck, but the other team took the puck and went up the ice for the goal because Rolston slowed down and let the other guy take it. I felt the same type of thing happened with his backchecking; he was behind an opposing player who was taking up the ice, and though he could’ve caught up with the guy if he sprinted, he just let him go.
I don’t know. Maybe I’m being too hard on him…But I remember feeling like these theories were confirmed when he started playing better at the end of the season and in the playoffs. I mean, it really seemed like he was suddenly putting in far more effort, and I remember watching him take hits where he previously hadn’t and playing far more defense. If he could improve like that when he wanted to, it seems like playing below that level at other times was the result of lacking effort.
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your assessment. I wholeheartedly believe he sucks in all facets of the game except for slapshot speed. I just don’t think he played much better in Minnesota, we just overpayed for his scoring abilities without thinking about his lack of competitiveness around the puck. I don’t think he’s ever been that kind of player, and shouldn’t have received as much money as he did.
Well I guess my very first FanPost is not going to get any more comments with today’s news :) Thank you to all who read and gave compliments. I appreciate it!
Actually...
I think your FanPost will get a whole LOT of comments once we know the terms of this contract and get to discuss greed vs loyalty with Kovy and coming with Zach!
"What in tarnation's goin' on 'round here?!?" - Yosemite Sam in reference to Ilya Kovalchuk not yet signing
You know, if the reports are right and he took $102 million for seventeen years, then I think we can honestly say that he wasn’t being greedy. If his original demand was for $10 million a year, this would be a huge cut in his asking price.
by Dr. Witticism on Jul 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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