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Free Agency Frenzy 2010 Day 2 Open Thread: Will the Devils make any moves today?

Good morning everyone please use this thread for any news that comes up today.  Will Ilya Kovalchuk re-sign?  Will we see any major trades?  Are you still as psyched about the Volchenkov signing as I am?  Sound off below!

Same Rules as Yesterday as per John:

Please use this post as an open thread for all NHL Free Agency discussion.   Talk about what other teams are doing, talk about what you want to see from the Devils, talk about trades, talk about how you feel about pending FAs from NJ and as long as it's about NHL free agency.  Please follow the rules at all times, and please, please, please do not report rumors as news or fake news.  Link to sources (actually link to them, don't just dump the URL in the text box and hit post - this includes Tweets); give credit to sources; and actually listen to good, reliable people (e.g. Gulitti, Chere, anyone at TSN or CBC, CapGeek, Not Hockeybuzz).  This gives respect to the sources and let's everyone who's reading this know what's really up.

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Was wondering

Cap Hit, they havent listed it on TSN , but the comments are always a good laugh.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are they not fans of Kubina?

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa fans are happy, but of course Toronto fans are all over him because of his $5M salary.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Similar AAV as Tallinder. Good deal for Tampa. Still shocked Atlanta didn’t move him at the deadline last year.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got $5 mil because JFJ likes to overpay for no good reason. Remember, he traded a 1st, 2nd and 4th rounder for Vesa Toskala and then signed him to a $4 mil/year contract.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

And now Toskala cant find a job, and Toronto fans wonder why their team is really really poor. I guess its ok to love your current GM when your previous GM was so baffling.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

July 2nd, 2009

As a point of reference here are some of the players signed last year on the second day of free agency:

Rob Scuderi
Jordan Leopold
Adrian Aucoin
Nik Antropov
Mark Recchi

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Will the Devils make any moves today?

Here’s hoping.

I know Lou is still hot for Kovalchuk, and looking at the numbers he could make it work if he dumped Salvador and Zubrus, or some other combination of players we won’t mention due to their particular contract situation, but honestly, as nice as it would be to have a 40+ goal scoring threat, I still feel this team needs another puck moving defenseman (preferably with a good point shot) and a solid defensive Center who can handle the face off dot… and it’s an either/or situation as far as I can tell.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I think if he can find a home for Salvador you might see a puck moving D signing. He may have to ‘Malakhov’ it (i.e. send a pick to get it done) if he wants to move him.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest surprise to me was Kovy didn’t sign a contract yesterday. I thought for sure he would be one of the first to sign somewhere.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

No way

He was very methodical about where he was going to play next year. he waited until July 1st, he wasn’t going to rush into things and ink the first big contract that came his way.

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured that any team interested would have had their offer to him ASAP and he would just have to choose the one he liked best. Now I can’t help but think he might be waiting for someone to make some extra room for him with a trade or releasing some one.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teams will wait on Kovalchuk to make his decision — there isn’t anyone on the market remotely comparable to him.

You saw runs on the kind of guys where there are a lot of similar players. Those guys risked getting left without a chair when the music stopped, so they made sure they had a landing spot. Ask yourself this — where are Turco and Nabokov going to land now that seven goalies signed yesterday and there doesn’t seem to be a starting spot available for them and their expected contracts?

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobokov hasn’t done much to help himself. He wants to be the #1 and it seems that the rest of the league is following the Sharks by losing faith in him.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He probably priced himself out of the market. The KHL offered him big money, and he thinks he’s worth it…. only he wants the NHL as well.

A lot of players are going to learn (if they haven’t already) that you can have the KHL’s money, or the NHL experience…. but only a select few (e.g., some guy named Kovalchuk) can have both at the same time.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. I can see a huge offer from the KHL going to his head and expecting a NHL team to match it. It seems teams now would rather go with some one who is unproven than some one who got to the playoffs and didn’t come through.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems teams now would rather go with some one who is unproven than some one who got to the playoffs and didn’t come through.

I don’t think it is necessarily a preference for rookies over veterans. As with the NFL, I think it is a case where it is cheaper to keep a rookie than a veteran, especially in a world with a hard salary cap. Why pay a veteran $1-2 million when you can have 2-4 rookies at the same price?

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better to take a chance with a group hoping to find a #1 instead of overpaying for 1 guy.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kovy

Agreed with these posts, Kovalchuk can wait until August 1st if he likes, not much will change in his market, because he is his OWN market.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Teams needing Cap hits

The Islanders, St Louis Blues, Colorado Avalanche, Atlanta Thrashers and Tampa Bay Lightning all need to take on significant Cap money in order to reach League Minimums. Let’s focus on these teams if we will be ‘jettisoning’ anyone to dump salary. Do any of these trade scenarios work with these teams?

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we can probably remove the Islanders from that list. I doubt they’re going to be doing the Devils any favors without an astronomical and unacceptable cost.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Division rivals maybe, but the two teams have never had an icy relationship. At least not by my recollection.

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Islanders

I just dont see how the Islanders will come up with $12M in salary with a handful of roster spots to be filled. Colorado is in the same boat.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huge offer to Kovalchuk?

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never say never

Fire and ice and the LA times jsut reported that the Isles are in the Kovalchuck sweepstakes. Not to mention NHL.com. They say Snow offered as much as 10 million for 10 years.

by Devilman3030 on Jul 3, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Colorado could be a landing spot for Kovalchuk.

As for the Islanders, they can sit patiently and wait for a team that has to move money. Philadelphia might be in that boat, after all…. and I suspect they wouldn’t be the only ones. They could get paid nicely in terms of picks and prospects to help a team in a cap crunch out, or to take an undesirable salary off someone’s hands.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

'Hawks

Are still in plenty of trouble after re-upping their RFA’s due for raises.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just can’t see it. Perhaps I’m being influenced by knowing their fanbase’s feelings toward the Devils, but I just can’t see it.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt have to be the Isles

There are still 4 other teams that need to produce at least $8M in contracts, so maybe we can swings deals with them.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Madden

Any thoughts on bringing Madden back as our 3rd line center?

by Ken2220 on Jul 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind that.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better choices

out there, Belanger for example

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see if Kovalchuk signs first — if he does, we’ll have to dump salary, not take more on.

Also, look what “checking centers” got yesterday on the market. I’d just as soon wait and let the music stop before overpaying for that role. If you need one then, maybe Madden is an option.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly figured he’d have retired by now. Go out on top and all.

He’s not a 3rd liner any longer, I don’t feel, and I’d rather get younger.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here on Madden

I was going to be happy for the guy, but then he goes and bashes the team that gave him his start. Not cool.

I’d rather get younger too.

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling there is some bitterness on John Madden’s end that the Devils let him go without even tendering him an offer last July.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Madden

Missed that quote, my goodness, how quickly people forget their roots, Mr Undrafted College bum who was told he would never make the NHL. I believe you owe Lou Lamoriello for the $ you made and 12 years in the NHL.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree, just thought I would pass it along.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Wow, I had never read his column before, and only saw what you guys had posted about his distaste for our team. But like DAMN! That’s terrible, “stultifying to watch” ???

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burnside’s Devils Hatred

  • Impact-o-meter: 666.0

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Best part is that he called the Penguin blueline the deepest in the League after the two signings.
Martin – Michalek
Orpik – Letang
Goligoski – Lovejoy
Oh yes, the most intimidating Defense in all the League.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it....

…. but I don’t consider that Pittsburgh defense the deepest or best in the Atlantic Division, let alone the league. I think I’d rather have the goons who pulverized us in the first round of the playoffs over Pittsburgh’s core, or even our own at the moment.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, the most intimidating Defense in all the League.

There’s a mass delusion around the greater Pittsburgh area that believe it is.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delusion

I like it. Their defense is a polar opposite to ours, 4 puck-movers and one stay at home guy in Orpik.
Flyers, Devils, then Pittsburgh, and then those two NY teams that dont matter, especially on the back end.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Orpik in red in black. To bad he re-upped long term in Pittsburgh.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Michalek was also more of a defensive type.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was more of a two-way defenseman, like Martin.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michalek is like a poor man’s Volchenkov

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see. I like your username, by the way.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben Lovejoy is real scary.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question to the Group:

Are there any additional goons available that the Rangers can overpay for today?

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be a great luaght!

by Devilman3030 on Jul 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is some guy named Andrew Peters available out there. Not sure if any of us have heard of him, however. (/sarcasm)

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

My wish for today!

That Tomas Kaberle FINALLY gets traded. I really can’t take his name in ‘rumors’ anymore.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

My wish for Kaberle....

…. is that Brian Burke overplays his hand and can’t trade him at all. It gives Scott Burnside and all the other yutzes something to talk about, and it shows Burke isn’t the wonderous GM they’ve made him out to be. Nothing better than watching the “smartest man in the room” out-smart himself.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Toronto...

there will be rumors about every player for at least 6 months, that’s just how they are there.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based off of what everyone reported yesterday, does that mean that only the Kings and the Devils are left in the Kovalchuk Sweepstakes at this point?

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok. It didnt seem like anyone was given a legitimate chance of than the Devils and the Kings yesterday.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

St. Louis

John will probably not be happy with me, becuase I don’t recall the article and can’t link to it, but I have read that St. Louis is one of the teams in relativley poor financial shape. I don’t think they are going to get involved in this

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there is the KHL as well. I think there’s a “mystery” team in the mix as well, although it is probably one of the two very likely suspects (St. Louis, Colorado). If it was just LA-NJ-KHL, I think he’d make a decision.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point. That would make sense.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colorado and St. Louis reportedly "out"

As you know by now, Kovy hasn’t been excited about LA’s $7M per offer, he’s still looking for $10M and a longer deal, and as that statement was made, you can pretty much count out the Blues and Avs, at least that’s what bloggers from those two areas have said. Dean Lombardi remains frustrated at best, and “for now,” the Kings aren’t ready to shoot another, long deal at Kovalchuk, which makes sense, because they have a lot of guys to ink in a few years. That leaves the Devils who really have to make some kind of dramatic trade to be “serious” contenders for him, but Lou still wants him, and if Lou wants him, Lou gets him.

If I had to guess, the longer this goes, the more interested a team like the Isles or Leafs would become.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone focusing on Salvador strictly as a salary dump? In the right context (i.e., not being asked to play on the top pair) he could be of some use to another team.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

He could be just fine in plenty of places, but the teams able to take on salary as just that, don’t seem likely to me to bring him into the fold. Maybe Tampa though, he would be 2nd pairing there behind Hedman/Ohlund/Kubina

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because the Devils will have to move a salary if they re-sign Kovalchuk. After you remove the untouchables (Parise, Zajac) and the NTC guys (Elias, Brodeur, Langenbrunner, White, Rolston), you’re left looking at Zubrus and Salvador as the high-salary guys most likely to be moved. Salvador probably has more value because of his position, and because his contract is more palatable than Zubrus (2 years at $2.9, as opposed to 3 years at $3.4).

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, because the point of a Salvador trade would be more to expunge his salary from your cap than it would be to try and get “equal value” or something close in return.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

If it makes sense to another team and Lou can wrangle a late pick out of it or something, more power to us… but on the whole moving him is all about clearing the space.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he’s one of the few guys that can be moved… that is, he doesn’t have a NTC, his salary and terms aren’t too bad, and his role is redundant with White, Fraser and Volchenkov.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats keeping us from moving Anssi Salmela or Skoula to aswell though? We arent using both of them. Atleast we are using Salvador.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Skoula signed in the KHL, didn’t he?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. Sorry I missed that. Ill look it up real quick.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

With Avangard Omsk

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skoula is gone, and Salmela could be moved, but at what gain?

It’d clear $612k in space and leave us needing to add another defenseman.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Salmela also injured? I thought he tore up his knee at the World Championships, and had surgery that will keep him sidelined into training camp.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skoula is a free agent, so we can’t trade him.

Salmela’s salary isn’t large enough to make much of a difference in the cap situation…. plus I suspect he’s headed to Albany.

Speaking of cap-type moves, why the heck the buy-out for Andrew Peters? How does it help the cap situation at all? You’ve created dead space for this season and next, and whomever replaces him on the roster is making at least the same amount of money. Seems to me that it would have been better to tell him he would be in Albany unless he found another team to take him on, and then give him and his agent permission to find said team. If he finds one, trade him for “future considerations”. If he doesn’t, to Albany with ya!

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thyinking the same thing. What’s the point? Are you doing Andrew Peters a favor by buying him out?

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Financially, maybe. If he finds a team to pay him the $500k this season, he has that and the $334k buy-out in his pocket, putting him ahead of the game by the buy-out. If he doesn’t, he’s lost one-third of his salary for nothing.

It just seemed to me that nobody wins in this scenario. The Devils lose cap money and flexibility, Peters loses money, and you might have a use for him. Even if you kept him on the NHL roster as the second extra forward, and only played him in case of injury or because you wanted more beef (say for Philly), he wasn’t going to cost you anything. I’d rather have him as a healthy scratch than a kid who would benefit from steady playing time in the Minors.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confused by the move myself.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t lose that much cap space. They lose $167k for this year and next year. That’s a savings of $334k this season, and a loss of $167k next year. That’s a net savings of $167k.

Peters had a 1-way contract, PL3 has a 2-way this season, and 1-way next year. There’s absolutely no point to have 2 players like Peters and Leblond on the roster. PL3 is capable of handling Peters’ role (and better IMO). It’s more flexible to have PL3 on the 2-way contract.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn one-way contracts.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way late in making a comment on a thread that seemingly died three hours ago (blame my having to work, darnit!)…. but a one-way contract means you owe him the NHL salary whether he’s in the NHL, the AHL, or on team-subsidised trips to the Bahamas as to keep him from being a “bad influence”.

A one-way contract can be expunged from the cap, if you pass the guy through waivers and assign him to the Minors. You won’t save any cash…. and you don’t have to oblige him to report to the Minors if you don’t have a use for him there…. but his cap number vanishes unless he’s in the 35+ category.

Yes, Peters is almost completely useless when you already have PL3 on the team, and other guys who will step up and fight as needed. At the league minimum, however, he isn’t hurting your cap situation (a player replacing him will have at least the same figure)…. and buying him out simply makes the situation as bad as can possibly be.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t vouch for her credibility, but Helene Elliott of the LA Times wrote an article saying the Kings can’t get Kovalchuk, as he’s asking for too much.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

For what she’s reporting he wants, no one can afford him.

Short of a long-term, cap friendly structure, I don’t see how he could realistically expect an NHL team to be able to pay him that much unless he’s willing to go to a team like the Islanders.

I will say, though, that the lack of news from the Kovalchuk camp does suggest that Lou is still somehow involved.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This feels like it was leaked by the team to make the Kovy camp look unreasonable. Plus, didn’t the Kings realize he would be expensive?

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

10-12 years at $10 m/yr is ridiculous

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any team in the league that can come up with that kind of money for him?

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Islanders.

I’m serious. They are significantly under the cap floor.

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would think he would want to go somewhere he can win.

by KingHellfire on Jul 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and I’m skeptical about the figures because, if he just wanted money, he could have stayed in Atlanta… they offered him a comparable deal.

Or he’d already be in the KHL.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lost me with:

Frankly, I see Kovalchuk as one of those guys who is happier getting two goals in a 5-3 loss than being held pointless in a 4-1 win.

Frankly, I don’t see that.

Then he goes on to talk about how Marty needs to rest because he’s looked tired in the playoffs lately. Yawn.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then he goes on to talk about how Marty needs to rest because he’s looked tired in the playoffs lately.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve read an article that’s made that claim. I’d almost have enough money to pay Marty’s contract myself.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kulka reports Souray is on Waivers via Twitter

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Souray is worth half of his cap hit…

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There were rumors yesterday that the Devils had expressed some interest in trading for Sheldon Souray. Do you, and other mods/posters more familiar with the Devils situation than I am, think he would be a worthwhile acquisition?

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would be one, but my concerns are 1) injuries and 2) That $5.4 million cap hit. Devils have $4,248,333 in cap space, meaning that Edmonton will have to take on Zubrus or Salvador’s contract

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

It’s as simple as that. We need to get younger and players who have a desire to win. This guy is neither, he had two legitimately good seasons, and is injury-prone. Waste of money in my book, plus if we don’t sign Kovalchuk, that leaves us with $4.2M to spend on a third line center and another defenseman if Lou wants to take that road. I do see some kind of trade, possibly involving Salvador or Zubrus, but nothing more than that. I still think Belanger would be a great fit here to take formally John Madden’s role, and I think we could use one more defenseman not named Mottau.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belanger won’t demand 3M. More likely 2 million or less. The other defenseman could be signed from 1.5 down. Or go the cheap way and get Sestito and Corrente to take those roles.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Souray is claimed on waivers, does the claiming team pay 1/2 the cap hit for the life of the contract?

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Claiming team pays the full cap hit. If claimed off re-entry waivers, the team that claims pays 1/2 the cap hit, while the other team has to pay half the cap hit.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so if the Devils were to claim Souray on re-entry waivers, would they be paying a cap hit of $2.7 mil for each of the two seasons left on Souray’s deal, or would it be $2.7 mil this coming season, and $5.4 mil in 2011-2012?

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the CBA (pdf link is below)

per 50.9 (g) (ii)

To the extent the Player does require Waivers to be Loaned to a
minor league affiliate, he cannot be Loaned or recalled without
first clearing regular Waivers, and then cannot be Recalled to the
NHL parent Club during the same League Year without also
clearing a new Re-Entry Waiver procedure, pursuant to which the
Player can be claimed by another NHL Club for fifty (50) percent
of the contract’s remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to
be paid by and charged to the waiving NHL Club (both amounts to
be counted against each Club’s Upper Limit, Actual Club Salary
and Averaged Club Salary, and counted against the Players’
Share);

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, you’re right. Until he’s on re-entry then, the Devils should stay far, far away from him.

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

$5.4MM Cap Hit vs $2.75MM Cap Hit, makes Souray seem quite desirable at that price. Puck-mover, big, PP specialist, Huge shot, too bad he’s left-handed.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he would ever get to us. Why wouldn’t the Blues or Avs take a shot at him. Heck even the Islanders! Come to think of it the Isles just may do it because of the $5.4 cap hit and $4MM actual salary.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.....

If he clears does he get bought out? Or do they bring him right back up to go through re-entry waivers.

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he bought out at this point? I thought the buyout period ended on 6/30.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a secondary buyout period later in July that he could possible be involved in. I think there is a rule also where it’s predicated on the Oilers having an arbitration hearing with one of their RFAs

by Tom Stivali on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Get Him

No reason not to get Souray if you are only paying 1/2 his Cap Hit, $2.75M per year, less than Salvador, less than White…

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is that?

2.5 mil? I say yes… and there’s a puck mover. But we still need to ship people out.

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably a dumb question but..

I just read here in the Hockey News that the Ranger may put Wade Redden in the minors to avoid his cap hit.

Is there any way that is an option with say a Rolston? Or is that an option for the Rangers just because they have so much freaking money?

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

It won’t work for Rolston, because of the 35+ rule.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

More explanation — Because Rolston was over 35 when he signed his contract, the cap hit will only decrease by $100k if he’s sent to the minors. The cap hit remains totally unchanged if he retires or is bought out.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over 35 rule

What is the background of the over 35 rule. It would seem to me it is a huge negative for over 35 year old players – there is a much bigger risk with these guys so most wont be able to get a long term deal?

Makes Rolston’s deal even more baffling to me that we would give it to him

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the time of the Rolston signing, he was coming off 3 consecutive 30-goal seasons, and per this report from Tom Gulitti, more than half the teams in the league were chasing him — http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2008/07/rolston-has-17.html

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why Pittsburgh didn’t want to go longer than 2 years for Gonchar.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s why Boston shouldn’t have signed Tim Thomas to the contract that they did.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rule was instituted to remove a loophole teams could use to sign older players to multiple year deals to spread out the cap hit, knowing full well they’d just be retiring in a year or three and the contract would come off the books.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I understand that a little bit, but since Hockey does not have the signing bonuses that there are in football, it does not seem quite as important. If the player knows the contract length is not real anyway, why would they look for the longer term?

Kind of rhetorical questions, I am all set. thanks.

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes the Rangers look bad (again)

If you’re a free agent looking to sign with a team that pays like NYR, why would you pick the Rangers if another offer presented itself? If you don’t perform, they’ll dump you in the AHL…

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it will happen like that. Redden was just terrible and sather was stupid to sign him to that money when Ottawa knew he was slowing down. I doubt the Rangers would ever send down Kovy if he didn’t perform. That is if the Rangers sign him and it looks like they won’t.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh

I thought it might have something to do with that. Gotta brush up on that.

by Devilssection21fan on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Souray

When he comes back up thru waivers, or is bought-out, I cannot imagine the Devils not making a play towards getting him. He fills out the requisite of what we require, does he not?
I understand his recent injury history is kind of scary, but at less than White and Salvador, I think we need to take the chance. Would his contract of 1/2 carry on to next season as well? If so, absolutely make this move.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Where would be a good place to start to learn how this salary cap works?

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The CBA (pdf)

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I’ve always hated the money part of sports so I just avoided it but it seems the time has come where I need to know how it works.

by fearloathing13 on Jul 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Capgeek

Capgeek
SHELDON SOURAY BUYOUT FROM CAPGEEK.COM
2010-2011: $2,400,000
2011-2012: $2,400,000
2012-2013: $1,500,000
2013-2014: $1,500,000

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Souray Waived

As per TSN
So we wait until they ‘bring him back up’ and jump on signing Souray

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t the worst teams in the League get first dibs when a player is brought back up on re-entry waivers, or is it the other way around? I just don’t get it.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, normally every team under them in the standings gets a shot before the team calling him up does … but this is the offseason and there are no standings.

To complicate matters further, the Oilers are the worst team and so no team would go before them.

I’m wondering how it would work myself.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take the Oilers out of the equation. Once they put him on waivers, they can’t make a claim on their own player. The team with the worst record from the other 29 teams would get the first shot.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, by virtue of being the worst team, 29 other teams get first crack at him, but if they were the 2nd to last team only 1 would? Hardly seems fair.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding of the waiver process, both normal and re-entry, was that the team placing the player on waivers always takes itself out of the equation, giving the other 29 teams first crack.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. That makes more sense. For some reason I misremembered it as only teams under that team in the standings had the opportunity.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team that waives the player cannot within the same year (calendar I believe) ‘re-claim’ said player.

by Skuba7 on Jul 3, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that is the way priority works. If two or more teams make a claim, the lower standing team wins out.

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by FrankG929 on Jul 3, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Souray is a viable option...

Why not Joe Corvo? Corvo also brings puck-moving skills, a booming shot, and doesn’t come with the injury risk that Souray does. Corvo also had some experience this past season playing on Carolina’s #1 pairing before his trade to the Caps.

Corvo’s cap hit last year was $2.65 MM, and I doubt he’d get any more than that this time around.

He’s also right-handed.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Correction and note

Corvo’s cap hit was $2.625 MM.

He’s also about a year younger than Souray.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not opposed to Corvo, except that he is a ‘softer’ player than Souray. But he was on our list of players to get via the FA market if we were to lose Martin, so he is there again.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind that either

I could see that working well, actually. If you want someone cheap, look no further than Marc-Andre Bergeron (sarcasm…)

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bergeron would be cheap but his defense lacks and that is a main cause on why Lou wouldn’t target him. If anything, Lou would offer a two way contract for 700,000.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk how reliable this is, but Lebrun has posted:

@Real_ESPNLeBrun Oilers have zero interest in eating half of Souray’s contract via re-entry waivers. They want to lose his full contract on normal waivers. 8

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, thats not really their choice, hehe. They put him on waivers, and something tells me he wont be sitting in the Minors for two years getting paid $9MM in salary

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lebrun then posted right after that:

    @Real_ESPNLeBrun LOL, not saying Oilers will succeed in losing Souray on normal waivers, just passing on what they’re telling me, haha.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see the Islanders picking him up at full salary. He fills a positional need and helps fill a the need to reach the salary floor.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, that makes sense. The Isles have to pick up salary, currently at $31.837MM in salary with 17 players signed, the Cap Floor is what, $43MM?

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, does Souray get any say at all in where he ultimately goes?

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No. He is up for grab among all the teams.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

His NTC is over, so Edmonton no longer has the say, but maybe he gets to choose if claims are put in, or no?

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The player has no say, no. If a team picks up his rights he’s gots to gos.

If they bought him out, however, he’d be a UFA.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems kinda slow today, but most of the big name guys went yesterday though, so its not surprising.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a Kovy waiting game. I wouldn’t expect much news until 3-4pm EST

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he’ll go shortly, but realistically, he can play the waiting game for a month or more if he wanted to.

I don’t think it’s in his best interest though. The longer he waits the more likely teams will be to have filled in their available cap space and not have the room to fit him in.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at 10-12 years and 10 mill a season that pretty much already happened. haha

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! True.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I was expecting today to be very slow until Kovy signed, provided he signed somewhere today. Then I think there will be a media explosion for a while. haha

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of Remaining UFA's

as per Capgeek
All kinds of players still remaining…

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

kings and kovi closing in on deal…

by jonnynovs on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I would like to see one aswell.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hockeybuzz.com not sure how legititmate it is

by jonnynovs on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure it was hockeybuzz that had the story about Marty being traded for Semin, so you be the judge on how legit it is ;-)

by DrWhizBang on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean to say Lou didn’t jump all over that? Bummer. (And yes, that was sarcasm.)

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockeybuzz= counterfeit stuff.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think its so much made up as that they report so many rumors that aren’t going to happen you’re better off just randomly guessing.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or just picking a player’s name and a team out of a hat.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dirk Hoag: 1 Eklund: 0.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WALLOFTEXT Sorry for the C/P but you did ask for a tallinder report.

Here’s a sabres fan’s perspective on Tallinder

He’s amazing in terms of getting the puck out of the zone (Sure-thing icing on the PK, too!). Its out of his own zone that he can’t play any offense at all. He’s great for the 3 on 2 breakout passes, but nothing farther up the ice than that. For demonstration, Tallinder’s offensive zone plays are:
Wrist puck at net (usually misses)
Shoot puck in corner
Pass to defense partner.
That’s it. In four years i don’t think i’ve ever seen him do anything other that those three moves.

In terms of grit, he’s more of a pusher than a hitter. He’s perfectly happy to push a someone away from the puck and take it, but he doesn’t really have a mean streak in him at all. He also doesn’t get hit very often because he’s fairly nimble (especially for someone who is 6’4.)

I hope Lou can cure his nasty habit of only playing in contract years for your sakes. And no more wrist injuries. He’s had too many of those. For those of you that were worried about giveaway totals. Don’t. Giveaways in the Northeast are horribly inflated (mainly the fault of the habs)

On a more mercurial note, he gives a decent interview, has an awesome accent to english ability ratio (not as good as lydman, seriously, if Lydman does anything in a game, tell your media friends to interview him for awesome sound bites), and is a prototypical super-nice swede. Though harder to judge from afar, i’ve heard he’s great in the locker room and mentoring the other swedes you have coming is exactly the role he should be in.

I’m sorry for the C/P but if im typing a wall of text, i demand that people have to read it.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Much obliged.

If he can get the puck out of the zone, his lack of offense shall be forgiven!

Looking at his video highlights (though granted, they’re pretty slim considering they span his entire career) it seems he has flashes of offense… reminds me of a Johnny Oduya in that respect.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could probably rack up a bunch of assists. No goals, though, goals aren’t happening.

If you can somehow find a full game, that’d probably be better for judging his skill set.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the biggest issue many of us wanted to have addressed this off season was the team’s struggles to get the puck out of the defensive end against an aggressive forecheck.

If he can help with that, he’s already a fantastic pick up in my book.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you cant get an icing while on the pk.

by KingHellfire on Jul 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can if you’re a Devil!

No video to be found, but I recall a playoff series a few years ago (I believe with Ottawa) in which the Devils were called for icing after clearing the zone on a PK. Madden was furious.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can certainly get an icing, its just not a whistle-blowing event on a pk. :)

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never apologize for providing good information. Thanks. I appreciate it.

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't like what Martin said

How is it that Lou didnt have anything on the table with Lou saying he had something on the table?
As per Gulitti

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s possible his agent screened some calls and he has no real idea of what was offered by whom except the deal he signed with the team he decided ahead of time he wanted to play for.

Or it could be that Lou’s offer expired on June 30th at 11:59:59.

Or it could be that he’s lying. And a jerk.

Or it could be that Lou had some insight that led him to not want him.

In the end, I’m prone to believe Lou’s word over Pinchy-Face Paul Martin McGee.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk, I dont think I believe him. Why would Lou say he did if he didnt. In Lou We Trust. Hopefully we will resign my favorite D man Andy Greene and not let this happen again.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha sorry Elesias. Re-sign. :)

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Greene thanks you for not wishing the team would force him to resign.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they don’t re-sign Andy Greene, I think I might cry. He’s my favourite defenseman on the Devils. Please Lou. Think of the crying girls.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lou always thinks of the ladies first.

He’s smooth like that.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how we got Parise.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got at least one more year of Andy ‘Smooth Operator’ Greene. Hope Lou breaks some protocol and re-ups him before approaching UFA time

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, especially considering our track record with keeping UFAs. Elias is the only one to ever test the water and stay.

A lot depends on how he performs this year though. I’m optimistic but unconvinced last year wasn’t a fluke.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Langenbrunner became a UFA the same time as Elias did, and ended up staying.

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, you are correct… though I don’t think he ever actually made it to market, did he?

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallinder was very popular with the sabres ladies. Especially Kate from top shelf… poor Kate.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is this Paul Martin of which you speak? ;)

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some bum who went to play patty cake with a girly looking guy named Crosby

by Devilman3030 on Jul 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant wait for him to be laid out with a big hit from Volchenkov as he tries to be Pittsburgh’s ‘offensive defenseman.’

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Hockeybuzz may not have been lying for once.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun Told Matthew Lombardi close to a decision and should definitely be off the market by end of the day

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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by tcb16 on Jul 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I cant, but an online translator can. haha

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well nothing is happening so I am going to mow. Hopefully there will be some Kovy when I get back.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Defenseman Milan “Juice” Jurcina and forward PA Parenteau have both signed 1 year contracts with the New York Islanders.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Guess they’re not biting on Souray.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not. I would almost prefer an offensive defenseman to Kovalchuk at thispoint.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to his agent on Twitter. My attempts at linking have been unsuccessful.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Links

Try writing what you want to, then highlight one word within that sentence, click the link button in between the subject and body of your message, copy the web address of the actual url, submit.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the how-to.

by kellyn on Jul 2, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem, I fought with it for a few days myself :)

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isles Twitter

Jurcina & Parenteau sign one year deals.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Eaton is always getting injured though.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

a few inches up, it was a Dreger tweet

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find Twitter obnoxious and tedious, so I don’t read them and I don’t follow it at all. Sorry. =)

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanna hear something funny?

Eklund an hour before- The Devils going VERY hard after Kovalchuk right now. (E4)

Eklund about 10 minutes ago- Source: Kovalchuk and Kings Closing In on Deal. (E4)

Can he atleast stick with one team?

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s Eklund…What else would you expect? haha

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by Matthew Ventolo on Jul 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eklund

Remember, Eklund is almost single-handedly responsible for the “Brodeur trade rumors” involving Alex Semin.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im trying for the first time today, cause it seems the quickest news comes from there. But I agree, I do not like it.
I had posted a link to Dreger’s tweet when he announced Eaton to the Isles up a few paragraphs.

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What in the world is your problem with twitter? You follow the people who you want news from and it all shows up in an easy to see stream of information.

Stop being old fogeys.

by Zelepukin on Jul 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

old fogeys. haha Havent heard that in a while.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get off my lawn!

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you whippersnappers

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go take a nap pops

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea, nap time

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are being crazy hooligans with all of your elderly talk.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Douglas Adams said it best:

1) everything that’s already in the world when you’re born is just normal;

2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it;

3) anything that gets invented after you’re thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until it’s been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.

Apply this list to movies, rock music, word processors and mobile phones to work out how old you are.

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im at the cutoff, but I find twitter annoying, and worse yet, foursquare. But Im on Facebook, haha

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What in the world is your problem with twitter?

Well, I can’t speak for others, but for me it comes down to:

  • I think it is a medium for the ADHD world out there, the people who lose interest after two lines.
  • I think it (and other forms of media such as FaceBook and MySpace) are for those people who feel the need to have a community of “virtual” friends who they are always updating on every little thing they do. I have a cousin whose wife just gave birth, and from what my siblings (who do use Twitter) tell me, she’s updating everyone on every little thing, such as the newborn making a mess in her diaper.

I’m not asking for feature-length articles — I understand the nature of the immediate news cycle, and that you can’t get much length out of these reports. Still, is something that at least resembles journalism too much to ask for? A paragraph, even?

Stop being old fogeys.

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When you find a cure for old age, please feel free to let me know. I’m not getting any younger, you know.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn I need to change my name if Kovy signs elsewhere… Any thoughts?

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

RolliePollieVoly (volchenkov)

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it, maybe A-Train

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

PennStationA-Train

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something with A-Train..

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peanut butter and jelly is really good. You could just change it to that.

by undersuspicion426 on Jul 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peanutbutter and Jelly A-Train

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Soviet Russia, the A-Train ride YOU!

Too long?

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by elesias on Jul 2, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha. Russian jokes. :)

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drgao?

I still think he reminds me of the famed rocky 4 villian

by Devilman3030 on Jul 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then Zubrus gets traded? ha ha

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody can get traded (see: Gretzky, Wayne).

If it helps, Lou will probably only trade Zubes if it is to clear cap space for Kovalchuk :-)

by DrWhizBang on Jul 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. But with my luck they will but it doesn’t matter now.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Volchenkov

was my favorite player in Ottawa for a couple seasons, and I made the mistake of not getting his jersey knowing he was about to be let go at this seasons’s end. I regret that decision now.
Anyone think Arnott will take Number 7 like when he broke in with the Oil?

by Skuba7 on Jul 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

prob sticking with 25
maybe a Dman who might come up this year gets number7 or a free agent (morrison#7, 3rd line center?)

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by J-camps on Jul 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be weird seeing Arnott’s name in the number 7. He should take 25. I am going to get my Volchenkov jersey in a couple weeks!! Once Salvador gets traded he can wear number 24. I am changing my name to A-Train offically.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

How about....

….RolliePollieRolston. It isn’t like we’re expecting Brian Rolston to be anything other than a Devil (a fabulously compensated one, especially for the returns) for the next two years.

by acasser on Jul 2, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

NIce. That’s a rec’in

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know you still can’t have a second account.

But if you want to change your name, please email support.

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Idk if this is good or bad.

    @Real_ESPNLeBrun Asked Lamoriello if he was still in it, he replied again, ``There’s nothing new, that’s all I’m going to say."

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

im starting to think that he doesnt want to sign kovy and that “theres nothing new” could mean I dont want to talk about it (pissed off type feeling)

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by J-camps on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I can find about it, it seems like he is angry, but L.A. is reporting the same thing so maybe Kovy is trying to make a decision.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

he should make the smart choice and stay with the devils :D

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by J-camps on Jul 2, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems like the best choice to me. haha We fixed the D hopefully and it looks like we brought in the right coaches to help the offensive spark. I think he could do great things here. He will atleast make us more dangerous cause if we have shut down D and then we can feed him/Elias/Parise the puck on a quick turn around we would be dangerous I think.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kovalchuk Update from TG


Just got off the phone with Lamoriello. He does not anticipate anything happening today with Kovalchuk.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm…hey lets drag this out another day. Build the anticipation.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lou sounds frustrated. Kovalchuk is probably disappointed with the lack of money available.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 2, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

10-12 years 10mill is unrealistic amounts of money. If he really wants that then I think he will end up in the KHL.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe the report that he’s looking for that kind of money. No team can pay him that much and remain a contender. If he was looking for that much money, he could have just stayed in Atlanta. No player in the league makes that much money. Only one player has a cap hit over 9 a year (Ovechkin), and only three are between 8-9 (Crosby, Malkin, Staal). Only 13 more have a cap hit over 7, and only six of them have not been on the trading block (Nash, Chara, Heatley, Gaborik, Thornton, Iginla). The rest (Richards, Lecavalier, Gomez, Campbell, Vanek, Drury, Spezza) are pretty terrible contracts.

If there’s any truth to it, it’s that he’s looking to be paid a salary of 10 million for a few years on a front-loaded deal that would pay him early but end up with a cap hit of 8 million or less.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 2, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More to the point, if Kovalchuk really just wanted that much, well, Atlanta offered that to him back in February. He could have taken it then. So unless he wants his cake and eats it too, I’m skeptical if that’s his true demand.

And if it really is that high, why isn’t some GM yelling from the rooftops, “This is what he wants! I’ll never pay it! What a fool!”, if only to kill Kovalchuk’s leverage?

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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall

The day the initial trade for Kovalchuk was made, Gulitti was reporting the same thing, then around 5-6 pm, Dreger, MacKenzie and Cullen all said “there will be a trade tonight…to an Eastern team not named NY or PHI.”

I think Kovy will wait another day to see if any other NHL teams throw their names into the hat, but unless it’s the Isles or Leafs, and that seems unlikely for now, it’s down to us and them (LA).

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what is the max that you guys think the Devs should pay Kovy a season?

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

7.5 million. Kovy knows what he is going to get, Lou added Volch, Tallinder, and Moose (Kovy’s friend), and his family won’t be swamped with media. Ilya’s a smart guy and will pick the team that fits him the most and the team that has a better chance in winning this year and years upcoming. I would go to NJ but I’m a Devils fan. If he wants more money and a life in LA with tons of media following him around and a slight chance in winning this year then so be it. If he goes the Hossa way for less money and a better chance in winning with guys he already knew (Hossa didn’t know anyone) with NJ than good for him. But it his and his family’s decision on where he will go.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 2, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense. Earlier on when he moved to NJ there were reports that his family loved NJ, so maybe that is a step in the right direction for us. I hope it is atleast.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see LA giving him too much flexibility

In my opinion, LA needs to make this a shorter signing, due to who they need to keep in the coming years, and you can’t assume their current roster won’t change again at some point, I have heard from sources not named Eklund that LA doesn’t want to exceed $7M, in which case, we can waive them goodbye. Lou is SUPPOSEDLY setting his limit at $8.5M, but again, nothing about that is confirmed, and it may change anyway.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Im not 100% sure on how it would affect us, but I could easily be ok with 7.5-8mill for a long term deal, but I dont think he will lower his price on a long deal. I could see lowering the price for a 4 or less year deal if he thinks he can win a cup.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 2, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what does that mean?

Does Kovalchuk want “real money” now and then take a year of minimum salary at the end of the deal to balance the cap or is he saying that $8-10M has to be the average salary per season? I would expect a Hossa-like deal to go down with someone at some point, but it’s really tough to figure anything at this point.

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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 2, 2010 6:23 PM EDT