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[Updated x2] On Cost Certainty and "Cap Circumvention"

The CBA Trapezoid[1] :

None of the commentary on the contract rejection that I have seen is addressing the issue of the original purpose of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement ("CBA") in the first place. That purpose was to provide "cost certainty," or, in other words, to ensure that all of the teams were competitive by keeping a few teams from accelerating player prices beyond the capabilities of all the rest to stay competitive. Long, spread-out deals do nothing to impact this cost certainty. If you own a home, you'll know exactly what I mean.

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The overwhelming majority of home-owners in the United States have 30-year mortgages on their homes. The price of the average home in my county is about $400,000. Most people do not have the ability to pay the full amount up-front, or even over three or four years. Folks know that they have to write a check for a certain amount every month to keep the house. They, therefore, have "cost certainty." 

Because most people get paid twice a month here, the time frame of the mortgage payments is compatible with their income.

Now, this analogy can be taken a step further. Before the current CBA, teams were literally going bankrupt trying to keep up with the "mortgage payments" that kept getting higher and higher, and those player contract payments bore no relationship to the ticket sales, tv revenue, or other income the team had. A few teams, Philadelphia, the New York Rangers, Montreal, and Toronto could afford this escalation, but even they had their revenue limits. During this timeframe, when most other teams were bought by new owners with the realization they would have to take a loss on the payroll and hope to sell the franchise to make up the profit: they would "flip" the team.

Just like the housing market, the price of player contracts became completely decoupled from revenue (or people's wages) and the system broke down. Owners couldn't rely on a quick sale to recoup their losses.

Here the analogy ends, because the CBA applies a complicated formula of anticipated and actual revenues to adjust the cap, and provides for some revenue sharing. As a result, teams that aren't negligently managed won't go broke. 

Nothing in any of the long-term deals given to Yashin, DiPietro, Pronger, Hossa, or Kovalchuk upsets this formula. The number is less than the maximum player salary, and will not prevent the team from putting a full roster on the lineup. Nor will it impact any teams' ability to make payroll or keep up. It has zero effect on the salary cap this year or any other, because that is measured by revenues.

It very well may be that the Devils are stuck paying a dud contract like Yashin, but that's their problem. And it's not hurting anyone else's ability to compete for players or make a profit.

In addition, the Yashin contract pre-dated the new CBA and I did not hear it gaining any kind of serious mention in the last round of negotiations. If it's so urgent now, it should have been predicted then. People seem to dislike these deals, but I don't see why they think they aren't "fair" when there's nothing but arbitrary line drawing between those that have been allowed and those that aren't—there is nothing in the CBA defining this as "cap circumvention."

For that reason, I am fairly sure that if grieved, the NHLPA will win and the contract will stand. I believe this is more of an opening salvo in the next CBA negotiation than an actual meritorious attack on the Kovalchuk deal.

As a post-script, I would add that as a long-time Devils fan, it is hard not to see this as yet another case of something being fine until the Devils do it. The neutral zone trap was fine for years on end when the Montreal Canadiens did it in the 1970s. Puck handling goalies were great when it was Ron Hextall. Indeed, even the position of goaltender being deemed worthy of interest instead of being marginalized was great in the past. The endless whining about the trap (regardless of the actual offensive output of the Devils, for example, the year they scored the most goals in the league), leading ultimately to rule-changes, the anti-Brodeur trapezoid, and now the selective enforcement of a non-rule make it hard to see this as anything other than yet another case of certain teams being praised for exactly what the Devils are condemned for. Perhaps this is just my limited perspective as a fan, but it's really hard not to see it this way.

[1] ...and that's why I'm calling this the CBA Trapezoid. It's a rule instated after the Devils do it.

UPDATE:

Per request, I'll discuss Article 26 of the CBA. First, while the list in not exhaustive, note that none of the examples of "Circumvention" set forth in Article 26.15 are what we are talking about here, notwithstanding the Yashin deal pre-dating the current CBA.

Article 26 begins:

 

Preamble. It is the parties' intention that there be full, accurate and timely disclosure and reporting of all revenues and financial information as required by Article 50, as well as of any and all agreements involving payments to Players, and that such disclosures and agreements be consistent with this Agreement, including but not limited to the provisions of Article 50. This Article 26 is designed to prohibit and prevent conduct that Circumvents the terms of this Agreement, while not deterring or prohibiting conduct permitted by this Agreement, the latter conduct not being a Circumvention.

 

Circumvention is set out further in section 26.3 as

 

[No Club may do or fail to do anything that] has the effect of defeating or Circumventing the provisions of this Agreement or the intention of the parties as reflected by the provisions of this Agreement, including without limitation, provisions with respect to the financial and other reporting obligations of the Clubs and the League, Team Payroll Range, Player Compensation Cost Redistribution System, the Entry Level System and/or Free Agency.

What strikes the reader of this Article is that the fear appears to be hidden revenue or hidden compensation. I think of the kinds of things you hear about going on in the NCAA.

 

What I don't see there is any kind of limit on a player's age, the duration of the contract, or limits on structuring other than the cap itself, the 35 and over cap hit limits, etc.

That is why all of the other contracts were allowed.

This is a line-drawing exercise plain and simple. The NHL drew the line with Kovy, but the NHL cannot interpret the CBA in its sole discretion; that is why there is the arbitration provision. Whether that works out as a practical solution has yet to be seen, but until we know more about exactly what makes this deal different (I doubt there is such information) we won't be able to really judge.

UPDATE II: Because this contract may actually end up being valid in arbitration, how is the Kings statement they would be interested if this falls through not tampering? That statement may affect the player's decision whether or not to arbitrate or negotiate a new deal.

 

 

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Good work

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by Skuba7 on Jul 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 21, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

In my dream life, I’m a player agent. But in my real life I’m a labor lawyer, and I deal with collective bargaining agreements all the time. Things like big league player contracts exist in rarified air, but if this was, say, an agreement with a grocery stores’ employees, I don’t think you’d see this kind of arbitrary dealing standing up.

Of course, the arbitration could take so long here that the hypothetical ruling there may never matter.

It’s my opinion that the league just doesn’t care what the arbitrator will do. It’s making a point first and foremost for the next CBA. Why it needs to make this point, I can’t really say. I don’t see the harm (as expressed above).

If anything, these deals hurt the low- and middle-end players which seems like it would be a bigger issue for the NHLPA!

by stormj on Jul 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strom allow me to speculate what the league means

The NHL does care if it wins or loses the case, and if you think about it they are taking a huge risk. If the NHL wins, they can now say they have presidence against such contracts and try to disuade other teams from submitting these types of contracts untill they can fix the loop hole. If the NHL looses the case, well you can expect a whole lot more of these contracts as teams try to lock up their most valuable players before the labor agreement is up. I think they are sending the shot across the players bow to show them they mean business about shutting the loop hole. I think we should all be prepaird for another work stoppage.

by Late for Dinner on Jul 23, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incredibly well said.

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by slackdog_rm on Jul 21, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Good analogy

Also:

And it’s not hurting anyone else’s ability to compete for players or make a profit.

See, this is why I don’t understand how front-loaded, long-term deals are bad for hockey. How? The Hossa, Luongo, Pronger, etc. deals didn’t stop the Devils from offering one to Kovalchuk. Even if you think it’s stupid and shortsided, so what as long as the Devils remain below the cap ceiling? What teams are hurt by a team spending within the cap?

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by John Fischer on Jul 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

put this on the front page john!

by kewlnsimpguy on Jul 21, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? It was recommended enough so it’s at the very top of the FanPost listing on the front page.

Let me read through Article 50 later and think on it.

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by John Fischer on Jul 21, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

UPDATE

Hey Stormj, like I said, this was good.

Read through Article 26 of the CBA. It’ll provide the proof you need as far whether this was circumvention or not.

Do that, add something to explain that further in this, and it’ll be front paged.

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by John Fischer on Jul 21, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t name names, but there is a smaller market team the Devils met in the playoffs a couple of years ago whose fans seem to believe it’s a clear abuse by larger market teams to skirt the cap and keep the little guy down.

Or something. I lost interest and stopped reading.

DON'T PANIC.

by elesias on Jul 21, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s exactly the argument that those teams’ owners will be using to close the loophole in the next CBA.

and to be honest, I don’t think it’s an illegitimate one.

cap or no cap, not every team in the league can afford to pay Kovy $100 million over any number of years; if you believe one of the purposes of the cap is to manufacture ‘competitive balance’ between big- and small-market teams, deals like this would certainly get your undergarments all up in a tizzy.

by richer44 on Jul 21, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough. And far more succinctly and less vitriolically put than that previously unmentioned site put it.

How does the league settle these sorts of things when they comes up for discussion… meaning, does it take a majority vote or 2/3rds or something? Just curious because I have to imagine the other side would be the bigger market teams who might feel just the opposite about it.

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by elesias on Jul 21, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know – not to be all history-nerdy about it but it feels a lot like the big-state/small-state stuff that went on during the Constitutional Congress in 1789.

It’s funny, I’ve always seen the Devils as a ‘small-market’ team because at least in terms of press coverage/mindspace we lag so far behind the Rags and Flyers locally, so I feel a bit of sympathy towards our smaller-market brethren.

I haven’t read the article myself, but having spent the week not too far north from their stomping grounds…it is HOT, and hot, sweaty hockey fans can get cranky…

by richer44 on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe in the next CBA go with a strong Luxury tax, similar to MLB, only one that would actually prevent teams from blatantly ignoring it (like the Yankees).

by Marty 4 Prez on Jul 21, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest i’m no fan of the cap.

by KingHellfire on Jul 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please no, there is nothing worse than the MLB’s luxury tax, with teams that have payrolls 3 times higher than the Cap. Think about how much Toronto and New York would have on their payrolls.
I much prefer the NFL’s lead, keep the strict hard cap, but allow for a ‘Franchise’ player that is drafted by that time to be exempt from the Cap. For us obviously, Zach Parise’s contract (as long as he was labeled the Franchise Player each year) would be exempt from the NHL Cap of $59.4M and we could pay him whatever we wanted to. Promotes loyalty from the high end draft pick players, allows team and cap flexibility, and ensures to fans that homegrown players will stick around indefinitely, as its their best chance of getting very highly paid.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re talking about the same blog/post I was reading, there seemed to be a lot of venom directed especially at Lou, despite the fact that he was not the first to use this tactic…

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 21, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ayep.

I go to other team’s sites and expect a certain amount of bad-mouthing and even outright irrational hatred at times, but sometimes, like in this case, I just have to stop reading and go to another page because I’m very tempted to stick my hand into the proverbial bee’s nest and get stung.

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by elesias on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the feeling, I was just there as well. Its like we need to go to a site en masse to speak our minds.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 21, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is.

Agreed.

A lot of the hockey press is cracking jokes on Twitter about how this is “ironic” because it’s Lou.

I’m not sure why that they think matters other than having some sort of a problem with him. Does this mean that different rules apply to the Devils? That seems to be implicit in those remarks.

by stormj on Jul 23, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well said

Rec’d

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by Willgfass on Jul 21, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Just curious....

…. theoretically, isn’t burying a player in the Minors just to get him off your cap “salary cap circumvention”? After all, you’ve still got to pay him, but he doesn’t count against your limits for a particular season. And if this comes down to a large market/small market deal where some teams can afford funny money contracts and the like, doesn’t the ability to hide salary in the AHL benefit the large markets who can afford to pay off their mistakes there?

by acasser on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

technically, I don’t see why not. But it would only violate the CBA if both parties went into the deal knowing that’s where the player was headed. I think. The CBA circumvention addresses the players’s contracts.

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by FrankG929 on Jul 21, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good though acasser. Sounds like Rolston’s destination, hehe

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by Skuba7 on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, except you know that with his age, his cap hit can’t get buried in the minors, right?

by Marty 4 Prez on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I understand that, but burying players in the minors is circumvention regardless of this specific situation.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The salary cap, in terms of competitiveness, is aimed directly at the NHL team being put on the ice in a given season. If a player is sent down to the minors, they do not affect the competitiveness of that team, and whichever players it does have at the NHL level still have to be paid within cap limits. The difference between having a long, front-loaded contract versus burying a player in the minors is that the former allows a team to consist of a group of players that is ‘worth’ more than the salary cap in real dollars (and thus likely has a competitive edge beyond what the cap is meant to allow), whereas the latter does not, as the players in the minors are no longer associated directly the the NHL club in terms of playing.

by SmellOfVictory on Jul 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another opinion

Just to play Devil’s Advocate here…. I’ll make an argument against the point immediately above me. Burying players in the Minors is both a circumvention of the salary cap and impacts the competitiveness of various teams.

For players not under a “35+” contract, it allows a team to spend beyond the cap, because their salaries are not counted against the spending limits. A good example of this is Wade Redden, who is going to be paid a small fortune to suit up for the Hartford Wolf Pack. The Rangers are going to replace him on their NHL roster with another player (likely Marc Staal), and all it costs them is money. The Rangers might “officially” spend roughly to the $59.4 million line when all is said and done…. but they’ll also have enough money in the Minors to shoot past that, perhaps even past the relaxed Upper Limit of the summer months. I don’t see why that isn’t cap circumvention, because it is a resource that allows the rich clubs to buy their way out of mistakes. Clubs with limited resources can’t afford to ice a competitive NHL product and bury several million dollars of players in the Minors.

Incidentally, Wade Redden’s contract could be seen as “circumventing the cap” in the same way as all the other deals under discussion. If you’ve looked over the salaries, he had two years of $8 million already. He gets $6.5 million this year and next, and $5 million the last two years of his deal. But that is unrelated to my argument.

The other half of my argument is that burying players in the Minors impacts the competitiveness of a team. I imagine if Wade Redden were an unrestricted free agent right now, some team would likely look into acquiring him to bolster their talent and depth. By burying him in central Connecticut, the Rangers are artificially depressing the talent pool by removing someone that would otherwise be there, but is instead “locked away” on their farm team. In addition, I would not be shocked if Redden re-emerged from Hartford at some point — someone could suffer an injury, or the Rangers could simply recall him at a time when the cap restrictions are lifted (as they are for the playoffs). It is a disservice to Redden to send him to Hockey Limbo in this fashion, and it is a disservice to other teams who might be able to use such a player (albeit not at his current wages).

I could see the next CBA changing the rules about burying salaries in the Minors, not just for a situation like Redden but also as a way to prevent teams from burying front-loaded contracts in the AHL.

I also believe the NHL would be wise to implement Brian Burke’s concept of salary retention in the next CBA, as a way around burying players and to facilitate more trades. If you could trade a player but keep some of his cap hit on your books, I imagine certain veterans who might have otherwise outlived their usefulness to a club could find homes elsewhere. For example, Brian Rolston might be easier to trade if the Devils ate $2-3 million of his contract and the receiving club only had to eat the remainder.

by acasser on Jul 28, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree with you on this one acasser. You also brought up something I never thought of. After the entry level contract or say a 23-year old coming from college, or just about to come into his own, the team can front-load a contract (say a structure of $3M, $1M, $500K) while sticking said player in the AHL to “develop,” then bring him up the following season with just a $1.5M Cap hit and again the following season. It certainly would help that team to be able to sign a free agent for a lower Cap hit, the player would get essentially, a very large signing bonus and be more than happy to sign with the team.
The minors does afford another avenue for teams to manipulate the Cap.

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by Skuba7 on Jul 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a totally different kind of cap avoidance, though. With a front-loaded contract you have the ability to ice a team that is better than the cap. If you dump some overpaid boat anchor in the minors, it gives a team room to improve, but assuming there are no front-loaded contracts, the franchise will still only ice a team that is equal to/less than the cap, given the assumption that players tend to be paid equivalent to their skill level.

With a front-loaded contract, a team is simply paying a player what they think that player is worth, but incurring a lower cap hit for it; cap space with a greater amount of ‘room’ for skill. This is money well-spent in the eyes of management. When a player is buried in the minors, the ownership’s money is effectively being thrown away for no benefit other than empty cap space.

by SmellOfVictory on Jul 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a totally different kind of cap avoidance, though.

Avoidance is avoidance. Both moves create cap space the team wouldn’t otherwise normally have.

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by elesias on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The issue I take is not with the cap space, it’s with the ability to have a better-than-cap-level team via financial shenanigans.

by SmellOfVictory on Aug 1, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a couple reasons why that issue still applies. Let’s say a player like Wade Redden gets put into the minors, the Rangers are able to sign Marc Staal to a contract because they are fully aware they have $$$ off their Cap sitting in the Minors. Without Redden being put in the Minors, there may not be room to sign Staal.
Second, with Redden sitting in the Minors, the Rangers call up a rookie or prospect Defenseman to play during the season. Thirty games in, and said Defenseman gets injured for a handful of games, and the Rangers can call up Redden for those handful of games and then send him back down to Hartford once the prospect heals.
In both scenarios, the Rangers are able to add (at least) 1 player they would not have been able to had they been forced to honor Redden’s contract $$$ towards the Cap.

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by Skuba7 on Aug 1, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether or not they can call up Redden in mid-season depends on how much cap room they have at the time. I believe the interpretation of the cap rules is that they’d only be able to recall Redden if they wouldn’t exceed the cap assuming he was on the NHL roster the remainder of the season — this is why teams can absorb bigger contracts at the trade deadline than they can earlier in the season.

Personally, I’d like to see the Rangers try burying Redden at Hartford and then recalling him later on. Some team with cap space to waste and a need on defense (even if for a guy to play the third pair) would pick him up on re-entry waivers just to spite the Rangers, and then the Rangers are stuck with the $3.25 million/season bill for the rest of that contract. Based on that risk alone, I suspect Redden is at Hartford for the duration.

by acasser on Aug 1, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may be right about that “remainder of the season” issue. But if that was the case, how come the Flames couldnt ice an entire roster on some nights, but were able to on other nights? Seems those players being brought up couldnt be kept ‘for the remainder’ of the season as they were immediately sent back down. Hrmn, going to have to find this answer.

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by Skuba7 on Aug 2, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a different means to the same ends.

The “financial shenanigans” both allow a team to do the same thing: create cap space to do with as they please.

One might actually argue that burying salary in the minors is even more questionable an ethical practice because a presumably capable NHL player is being forced to wile away in the minors just because he had the audacity to sign a contract a GM offered him.

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by elesias on Aug 2, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite. I’d love to see a link to something indicating that the Kings said anything.

Once that’s there, then a front page may see this tomorrow.

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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

Look at @helenenothelen or at the LA Times.

by stormj on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

p.s.

I think he meant the original last paragraph, not the updated one.

See below for more on the Kings.

by stormj on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed I was

Referring to the paragraph about the anti-Devils bias.

Once again, the league popped a cap in our metaphorical ass.

by Jago on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

asdf

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nhl-kovalchuk-20100722,0,4820847.story

It comes from a “source” not authorized to comment publicly.

That means they planted this story with their go to gal Not Helen. Does this mean I have proof? No. But I think it sounds like it’s worth an investigation. I wonder what people would say under oath about these shenanigans.

Ask the St. Louis Blues whether the Devils take these cases seriously.

by stormj on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Kovalchuk is not under contract right now. It isn’t tampering.

by Nut on Jul 31, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Superb Article!

I must say that your post was written in a fashion that made it easy for the average non seasoned fan to understand. The housing analogy really help me put this whole Kovy contract thing in perspective and has given me a point of understanding from which to confidently explore this issue further. Based on what I have gathered from fan posts and relevant aspects of the NHL CBA itself, Kovy should take the matter to arbitration if he is serious about playing with the Devils. However, could it be that Kovy is using the Devils to push the Kings to reconsider thier stance?

As a post-script, I would add that as a long-time Devils fan, it is hard not to see this as yet another case of something being fine until the Devils do it. The neutral zone trap was fine for years on end when the Montreal Canadiens did it in the 1970s. Puck handling goalies were great when it was Ron Hextall. Indeed, even the position of goaltender being deemed worthy of interest instead of being marginalized was great in the past. The endless whining about the trap (regardless of the actual offensive output of the Devils, for example, the year they scored the most goals in the league), leading ultimately to rule-changes, the anti-Brodeur trapezoid, and now the selective enforcement of a non-rule make it hard to see this as anything other than yet another case of certain teams being praised for exactly what the Devils are condemned for. Perhaps this is just my limited perspective as a fan, but it’s really hard not to see it this way.

It definitely seems that way. It is a shame that this kind of talk cannot be sanctioned in this forum due to “libel” issues but based on the above paragraph quoted from your post, one would be inclined to believ that the Devils seem to be one of the blacksheep of the league.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 5:32 AM EDT reply actions  

The question of tampering

how is the Kings statement they would be interested if this falls through not tampering?

Here’s the way I defend that statement if I’m Dean Lombardi: The contract is currently invalid, and has been thrown out. While the NHLPA reserves the right to appeal, and the timeframe for that decision has not yet expired, the NHLPA has yet to exercise that particular option. Until they do so, the contract is null-and-void, which means Ilya Kovalchuk is a free agent. As he is a free agent, he is not the property of the Devils or any other team, therefore there cannot be any tampering with him.

If you want to build a related argument, I’d go with the case of RFAs. An RFA is free to speak with any team if he does not sign his qualifying offer or elect arbitration. Once he does one of those two, he is property of his original team and loses the right to negotiate contract with the other 29 clubs and even sign an offer sheet. After all, if he elects to use the arbitration process, he is considered “signed” even though there is no contract in place.

Ask the St. Louis Blues whether the Devils take these cases seriously.

Everyone tampers, and a lot more often than even most of us cynics think. Occam’s Razor tells me that teams and players and agents have to be talking before 12:01 to explain a flurry of not-simple deals done as soon as free agency begins.

The difference is, the Blues were so stupid that they left the rope lying around that caught and hung them. I imagine if more teams were dumb enough to leave evidence where it could be found, there’d be punishment for the League Office to hand down.

by acasser on Jul 23, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Isnt signing the contract he intended to play for akin to accepting a qualifying offer? At least until the NHL (and NHLPA and arbiter et al) has officially deemed this contract a failure?
He is not the property of the Devils, that I agree, but in the sense that it is not official that he is property of the Devils, much like a qualified RFA.
Either way, I cannot see another team even wanting to step in now, outside of the KHL.
Just playing Devil’s advocate here

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by Skuba7 on Jul 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This could just be my having an opinion completely unsupported by the facts here. But the way I see it is that the NHL has rejected the contract, and the NHLPA as of now has not appealed that decision. Therefore, as of this moment, there is no contract between the Devils and Ilya Kovalchuk, and his status reverts to what it was at the moment before the contract he signed was filed. In this case, that would be Unrestricted Free Agency.

I imagine most NHL teams will stay away from the situation for one reason or another. I imagine Kovalchuk and his agent won’t even entertain other NHL teams because of how bad Ilya would appear after his comments at the press conference, whether or not said comments were the least bit genuine. There’s the convienent little fiction that players will (almost) never say “It was solely about the money”, even if that was the only reason they signed where they did and everyone knows it. The rules of the game go something like “Say the right thing, even if it is a bald-faced lie, and we won’t vilify you for it…. but you are obliged to keep the smile on your face, tell us how wonderful your team is (on and off the field), plus not demand your trade/release for a certain period of time.” Based on the rules of this particular game, Kovalchuk is effectively backed into a corner and obliged to re-up with the Devils no matter how this process concludes to save face for all the parties involved…. unless the NHL as the follow-up to an arbitration victory / negotiated compromise forbids the franchise from signing him to any contract.

This doesn’t prevent a stupid GM or an egomaniacal owner from making the attempt. Fortunately for the NHL, we don’t have the latter to throw things off.

by acasser on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying, and I guess in this case, its a place there is no precedent to lean on. There isnt a comparable to my knowledge, but in my head, its because he signed a contract with a team, that means he is that teams property. The NHL is saying right now its not valid, but the contract, until it is deemed by an arbiter, or agreed upon between the NHL and NHLPA, remains.
But I dont think the two of us, or any of us not in the NHL or NHLPA, can state definitively one way or another.
I do agree with you that no other NHL team will make an attempt to sign Kovalchuk at this point in time. Maybe the KHL, but…

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by Skuba7 on Jul 24, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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