The NHL-Rejected Ilya Kovalchuk Contract with the New Jersey Devils & Article 50 of the NHL CBA
On Wednesday, I called for calm with respect to the aftermath of the NHL rejecting the New Jersey Devils' contract with Ilya Kovalchuk worth $102 million over 17 years. Given the mixture of emotions surrounding the rejection, a statement as simple as "take a deep breath" was something I felt was necessary The comments to that post were mostly civil and in some ways enlightening given that some users actually cited the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) to back up what they would say.
I'm still no closer to seeing on what grounds Ilya Kovalchuk contract should be rejected. In fact, I don't believe this, or the Marian Hossa, Roberto Luongo, Henrik Zetterberg, or Vincent Lecavalier contracts (among others - all deals are from at CapGeek) were/are exploiting any loophole either.
Don't mistake me; I'm not crazy or being childishly difficult. Article 50 of the NHL CBA, the Team Payroll Range System, which has the provisions that regulate how a team must be under the salary cap and how a standard player's contract (SPC) is regulated. There's going to be a lot of explanation and citation, but I assure you, it will all tie together and will make my argument much clearer.
Here's a link to the NHL CBA in a 6+ MB .PDF format from the NHL's own site. Please feel free to use it while following along with this post, or look through it to see if there's something else at play. There's quite a bit to read, so resist the urge to comment without reading (always a bad idea on this site, really). If you're interested, take a deep breath and continue after the jump.
Citing Article 50 of the NHL CBA
Let's start with Article 50.5, which explains how a teams' Averaged Club Salary must be within the defined Lower Limit (a.k.a. the salary cap floor) and the Upper Limit (a.k.a. the salary cap ceiling). Article 50.5.(a) is an overview of the article; and for the sake of brevity, here's what that states:
(a) Overview of Operation of TeamPayroll Range. The Team Payroll Range created by this Agreement consists of a Lower Limit and an Upper Limit during each League Year for permissible spending by each Club based on its Averaged Club Salary. The Team Payroll Range provisions do not permit Clubs to have Averaged Club Salary that is below the Lower Limit. Nor does the Team Payroll Range permit Clubs to have Averaged Club Salary that is above the Upper Limit, except for two (2) limited exceptions provided in this Agreement, with respect to bona fide, long-term Player injuries or illnesses, as set forth in Section 50.10(d), and with respect to the "Performance Bonus Cushion," as set forth in Section 50.5(h).
For purposes of calculating any Club's "Payroll Room" at a given point in time, the Upper Limit for such League Year shall be measured against the Club's "Averaged Club Salary," as defined below. Any Club with an Averaged Club Salary that is less than the Upper Limit has available Payroll Room in the amount of the difference between the Averaged Club Salary and the Upper Limit. As set forth below, if a Club has Payroll Room during a League Year, the Club may use such Payroll Room to contract for or otherwise acquire additional Player Salaries and Bonuses. A Club may contract for or otherwise acquire additional Player Salaries and Bonuses only to the extent of its Payroll Room, subject, however, to certain limited exceptions as set forth herein.
The requirements for the Upper and Lower Limits are explicitly stated in Article 50.5.(b), though. Further clauses in (b) specifically go over how both limits are determined among other regulations. Article 50.5.(c) states clearly that a team cannot be below the Lower Limit at any point of the season (see 50.5.(c).(i)) and a team must be below the Upper Limit at any point during the season. The only exception is in the offseason, defined as July 1 through the end of training camp, where teams can go above the Upper Limit by 10 percent. This is called out in Article 50.5.(c).(ii).(B):
(B) Nevertheless, in order to ensure that Clubs may have sufficient time and flexibility to plan their rosters during the off-season, the Upper Limit shall be temporarily raised by ten (10) percent to permit Clubs additional flexibility with their Averaged Club Salaries during the period from July 1 until and including the last day of Training Camp. On the day following the last day of Training Camp, the Upper Limit shall again be lowered to the level as calculated in Section 50.5(b), and all Clubs must once again be in compliance with the Upper Limit from the day following the last day of Training Camp until and including June 30.
Let's move onto the player contracts. Take a look at Article 50.5.(d). Section (i) explicitly defines how Averaged Club Salary is determined; and section (ii) explicitly states that multi-year contracts will be calculated towards the teams' Averaged Club Salary by the Average Amount of the contract. Here's the opening section, quoted for emphasis.
(ii) "Averaged Amount." For any multi-year SPC, for purposes of calculating the Club's Averaged Club Salary in any League Year, the Averaged Amount of such SPC shall be used. That is, the Player Salary and Bonuses for all League Years shall be "averaged" over the length of the entire term of the SPC, using the stated amount, by dividing the aggregate stated amount of all Player Salary and Bonuses to be paid during the term of the SPC by the number of League Years in the SPC
Incidentally, there is a maximum salary a player can receive on a contract. That's defined in Article 50.6.(a). Note that the allowable maximum player salary is based on what the maximum is at the time when the contract was signed.
(a) No SPC may provide for a total aggregate Player Salary and Bonuses that is in excess of twenty (20) percent of the Upper Limit for any League Year (the "Maximum Player Salary and Bonuses"). For a Player signing a multi-year SPC pursuant to which he receives the Maximum Player Salary and Bonuses in any League Year during the term of such SPC, the Maximum Player Salary and Bonuses for every League Year covered by the multi-year SPC shall be based upon the Upper Limit at the time the SPC was signed.
With respect to multi-year contracts, there is a separate part of Article 50 that are an additional set of regulations: Article 50.7. The CBA refers to this as the "100 Percent Rule." Thanks to LangerMonk for pointing this out on Wednesday.
50.7 "100 Percent Rule" for Multi-Year SPCs. The difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League Years of an SPC cannot exceed the amount of the lower of the two League Years. Thereafter, in all subsequent League Years of the SPC, (i) any increase in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed the amount of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, that same amount); and (ii) any decrease in Player Salary and Bonuses from one League Year to another may not exceed 50 percent of the Player Salary and Bonuses of the lower of the first two League Years of the SPC (or, if such amounts are the same, 50 percent of that same amount).
Jumping back within Article 50, I'd like to point out Article 50.2.(b).(i), which governs bonuses in a contract. As far as I know, Ilya Kovalchuk's contract doesn't have any performance bonuses. In fact, there can't be any performance bonuses in Kovalchuk's contract. There is something in that section that is vitally important for all to understand. Starting from Article 50.2.(b).(i).(C) (the bolded text is by me):
(C) "Performance Bonuses."
(1) "Performance Bonuses" means any Bonuses set forth in a Player's SPC, the payment of which is contingent on the Player's achievement of some agreed-upon benchmark(s) related to his performance as a Player or his Club's performance during a particular League Year.
(2) Performance Bonuses shall be allowable under this Agreement only for: (i) Players with Entry Level SPCs under Article 9 of this Agreement; (ii) Players aged 35 or older as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective, who have signed a one-year SPC for that League Year; and (iii) Players who are "400-plus game Players" for pension purposes, and who: (i) in the last year of their most recent SPC, spent 100 days or more on the injured reserve list; and (ii) have signed a one-year SPC for the current or upcoming League Year.
As to paragraphs (C)(2)(ii) and (C)(2)(iii), such Players are not limited in the length of an SPC they may sign, but in the event any such Player signs an SPC with a term of longer than one (1) year, the SPC shall not be permitted to contain Performance Bonuses.
Thanks to LangerMonk and drhgzang for citing this back in the post on Wednesday.
UPDATE #1: And this is where I make an error - I've used this to justify that this is an explicit statement that there is no limit on the length of the SPC. I erred by not noting this is explicitly stated for players over 35 or were recently injured veterans. Triumph44 brought this up and he is right.
Now, that just means that there isn't an explicit statement in Article 50 for no limit on SPCs. There is no explicit statement for a maximum limit on SPCs, either. I couldn't find it in Article 50; what's more, based on what Ian Pulver said in Michael Traikos' article in the National Post, the NHL wanted to have limits but failed in those negotiations - so there are no limits in the CBA. Still, I will strike the word "explicit," "specific" in reference to this to not mislead. End Update #1
Based on these sections of Article 50 that I've referenced and/or quoted, and assuming I am not missing or misunderstanding anything, let me get this straight:
Per the CBA, there is an explicit statement that says that there is no limit to how long a contract can be for a player per Article 50.2.(b).(i). there are no limits on the length of SPCs cited anywhere. The cost to the team's salary cap for a multi-year contract is based on its averaged value and said team must be underneath the salary cap, per provisions in Article 50.5. A multi-year contract must be compliant with the year-to-year breakdown of salary defined Section 50.7 and no yearly salary can exceed the maximum allowed at the time of signing per Article 50.6.
This is the system the NHL and the PA agreed upon back in 2005. As far as I can tell, the New Jersey Devils' contract with Ilya Kovalchuk is fully compliant with all of these regulations. Let's review with Kovalchuk's contract in mind:
Per Article 50.2.(b).(i) Given the lack of limits on contract length in Article 50, a team can certainly offer a contract of 2, 3, 12, 15, 17, 20, 40, or even 100,000 years long to a player. As explicitly stated in CBA, there is no limit. Whether it's extreme or never been done before or rare that any player ever played in the NHL for that long does not matter at all, per the CBA. 17 years is a valid contract length.
Per Article 50.5, the Average Amount of the contract will determine how much this will go against the team's Average Club Salary and as long as the team remains below the Upper Limit by the time the training camp ends, there's no issue. There's no actual, legitimate circumvention of the salary cap ceiling until then, unless it's above 10% of the ceiling amount. The Devils are within that 10% buffer with the original contract at approximately $1.8 million over the Upper Limit. As long as they get under the Upper Limit by the end of September, there's no issue here.
Per Article 50.6, the contract offered can't exceed the maximum player salary, which for 2010-11 would be 20% of $59.6 million, or $11.92 million. The peak salary Kovalchuk would get in the contract would be $11.5 million. The largest increase in salary is less than the lowest of the first two years of the deal at $5.5 million; and the largest decrease in salary is half of the lowest of the first two years of the deal at $3 million. The salary breakdown of Kovalchuk's contract does not violate Article 50.7.
Unless there's something huge that I'm missing here, the Kovalchuk contract as originally announced is not violating Article 50.
Commentary
When Lou Lamoriello restated that this deal is legal under the CBA on Wednesday, he was not saying it to be defiant. He said it because it's, well, true.
You may think it's dumb, stupid, ridiculous, risky, outrageous, unreasonable, terrible for the NHL, and so forth. You can keep coming up with extreme scenarios and whine about all of this until you're blue in the face. You may feel that any team should not commit a large amount of money to any player for a period of time defined as "extremely long." You can think this should be prevented in the next CBA.
That's fine - that's just your opinion, though; as the written rules in Article 50 allow for this sort of contract. This serves as another reminder that dumb, stupid, ridiculous, risky, outrageous, terrible for the NHL, etc. was not, is not, and will not be the same as illegal.
Let me take it a step further. New Jersey, and by extension Calgary, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Tampa Bay, and Philadelphia, did not exploit a loophole in the rules for front-loaded long-term deals in my opinion given these facts. They were not and are not "artificially" reducing the cap hit on a contract; the cap hit is quite real per Article 50.5. They are still held to the limits defined in Article 50.5. Quite frankly, they worked within the system agreed upon by the NHL and PA back in 2005. I repeat: the system allows for this, not some exception or vagueness in a single rule.
Therefore, I do not see how the Kovalchuk contract, the Pronger contract, the Hossa contract, the Lecavalier contract, the Kiprusoff extension, or the Luongo contract are "circumventing" anything. They're all within the provisions of Article 50 of the CBA and the team's Average Club Salary are still required to be within the Upper and Lower Limits. Teams can definitely come up with long-term, front-loaded contracts and be compliant with Article 50; I openly wonder why some teams aren't willing to do this.
Let me take another, more forceful step: The NHL didn't come up with Articles 50.6 and 50.7 just to make contract rules more complex; they were regulations on SPCs given they were going with Average Amount to determine a team's cap hit. The NHL wanted to add limits on contract lengths; but per player-agent and CBA author Ian Pulver, they were unsuccessful as reported by Michael Traikos of the National Post. What other reason could there be to want to add regulations except to limit what teams could do with contracts? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilty that someone knew about the potential for long-term, front-loaded contracts given how Article 50 was written and tried to get these limits in there. They didn't full succeed so the potential has been realized multiple times for multiple players by multiple teams prior to the New Jersey Devils signing with Kovalchuk.
Unless the NHL and the PA both agree to some kind of change via addendum, this won't be formally addressed until the next CBA talks come up in 2012. If the NHL doesn't like the Kovalchuk contract (and it's clear they didn't since they rejected it outright), they have no one to blame but themselves for writing and agreeing to a CBA that defines cap hits by average amounts of the contract and specifically states that where there are no limits on the length of the contract. They tried to limit that and they failed. To try and establish a "line in the sand" based on the "spirit" of the rules and not the actual written rules after agreeing upon said rules, to me, is beyond Mickey Mouse, it's just plain Goofy.
When the Kovalchuk signing was confirmed on Monday, I addressed those complaining about the contract itself with this simple and incredibly apt phrase: Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Your Take & What's Next
If I have missed or misunderstood something, then please let me know in the comments. If I am wrong, then I want to know what I'm wrong about, why I was wrong, and how to correct it so everyone reading this can get wiser. If you're going to argue against my arguments here, fine, but please use actual facts and please cite the CBA. I'm not interested in conjecture or popular opinion at this point, and I doubt many who are following this issue are interested anymore either.
The next post will deal with the on-going procedures now that NHL rejected the Devils' contract with Kovalchuk. If you must, call this Part 1 of 2, since the two are connected. So don't discuss that in the comments here, do it in that post when it comes up. Here's a tease; as stated in Article 50.9.(b):
(b) Accounting for New SPCs in Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary. For any newly executed SPC agreed to between a Club and a Player, the averaged Amount of Player Salary and Bonuses provided for in such SPC shall commence counting against a Club's Averaged Club Salary upon the approval and registration of the SPC with the League. For purposes of determining a Club's Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary, a rejected or de-registered SPC shall be treated in accordance with Article 11 of this Agreement.
Yep, Article 11. You'll see what I mean later tonight if you haven't put the pieces together yet. All the same, thank you for reading.
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P.S.
I’ve added a link to my initial thoughts on the Kovalchuk signing as that was the first place I responded to critics of the deal: Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
I wasn’t being cute, I was serious. Given all that I cited, I think that’s clear.
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This is what the NHL are going to argue
(b) The System Arbitrator may find a Circumvention has occurred based on
direct or circumstantial evidence, including without limitation, evidence that an SPC or
any provision of an SPC cannot reasonably be explained in the absence of conduct
prohibited by this Article 26.
Circumstantial evidence can be almost anything. Including a point I made in the last post about the fact that the league minimum can’t resonably be expected to be that low in 12-17 years time. And they can say it’s circumvention even with “the absence of conduct
prohibited by this Article 26” so even though it follows the individual rules it can still be ruled as a bad contract.
Not saying it will definitely get turned down just that it can go either way once a third party gets ahold of it
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This will be addressed in the next post.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The last two years of Chris Prongers contract are both 450,000k. I don’t about the other similar contracts. But that is not the league minimum now.
Humm, Two different sites have two different numbers.
another site says 525k….
not sure what it is
Wish I could edit
The thing to remember is that Pronger’s contract is even more fraudulent
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Probably, but it is also a +35 contract, so he can’t just retire out of it. The NHL got the Flyers on that one.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 23, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Untill the Flyers trade his contract 10 minutes before he retires to some southern team looking to hit the cap floor with out actually spending money.
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Which is a whole different kettle of fish
that shouldn’t be allowed but probably would be.
Although I don’t really see what would be in it for the other team unless they package him with some good draft picks.
No one knows why, but second only to eating the brains of the living, the dead love affordable pre-fab furniture.
For a team like the Islanders who need ~$9m to reach the cap floor, taking on a contract like that would give them $4.9m toward reaching the floor, but only cost them $550k of actual cash.
For a smaller market team without a lot of cash but a need to reach the floor, a contract like that is a boon.
Playing Devils' advocate since 1982.
I heard the 525 number
which is either at or just above the current cap. His last years are also only 4 years in the future if I remember correctly making the difference to the minimum less and therefore the adjustment to the cap much less.
Not saying Prongers should have been approved just that his approval doesn’t mean that this one is automatically approved as well. Especially since his is a 35+ contract
No one knows why, but second only to eating the brains of the living, the dead love affordable pre-fab furniture.
Current minimum salary is 500K, as it is for 10-11. It goes up to 525K in 11-12 per section 11.12(a) of the CBA (page 49). Both capgeek ans nhlnumbers have Pronger’s last 2 seasons at 525K.
If the maximums apply for the life of the contract based on what they were at the commencement of said contract, why wouldn’t minimums be acceptable? I looked through the CBA and could find nothing indicating what is done if a future salary which is at or above the current or even final year of the CBA’s minimum, becomes less than that year’s minimum. My guess is it would be grandfathered since it isn’t addressed.
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Circumstantial evidence can be almost anything. Including a point I made in the last post about the fact that the league minimum can’t resonably be expected to be that low in 12-17 years time.
That’s not evidence, that’s an opinion.
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I heard he puts on a cape and a wig and fights crime in various New Jersey communities... :O
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by Tim G on Jul 23, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sleep. It seems he spends the rest of his day running the site :-)
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You’re not too far off.
Today: Wake up with little sleep thanks to getting back late from bringing the noise in 101 at Red Bull Arena; go to work all day; come home and say hi to people; eat some dinner; bang out Article 50 post; go through some emails; mentally outline structure of next post; write next post; post next post; respond to this comment; and I’m going to bed.
Tomorrow: Well, no thanks to this rejection, I have to watch 30+ goals against for Sunday’s post. Wonder what to do tomorrow for post.
But for now: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish....
…. we didn’t all have to be lawyers to be fans right now. Think about it: we’ve spent far more time this week dissecting the CBA, the arbitration process, and how we’d present our arguments before a judge than we have anything remotely related to the game on the ice or other roster moves the Devils might wish to make.
Otherwise, I don’t really have anything to add that hasn’t already been said, so I’ll move along now.
The sad part is...
we seem to be doing a better job at it then Gary Bettman…
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Im glad you brought up this point. I am not a lawyer, or the general manager of a pro hockey team. Im not going read the CBA or probe the history of past contracts with a fine tooth comb.
From the articles I have read on ESPN and TSN and reading the papers, it sounds like the Devils are working to restructure Kovy’s deal. I did read John’s summations and based on his findings, I would find it plausible that Lou is willing to let this go to an arbiter.
It seems to me that if the Devils knew the contract would be rejected, but still went through with the press conference, then the Devils are sending a message: Ilya Kovalchuk will be a Devil. It doesnt matter what it takes, Kovy is here for the long haul.
The only person this may affect is Zach Parise. If a front loaded contract is now taboo, and the Devils have to take a larger hit for Kovy, then signing Parise WILL become more difficult than most have projected. Time will tell. Patience and breathing are my only recommendations.
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by Michael Gianetti on Jul 23, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kovalchuk stays even for the current $6 million cap hit, then players who will be dumped to make cap space will definitely be affected. As will prospects who would otherwise make the team, but make too much to fit under what space would be left.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As to paragraphs ©(2)(ii) and ©(2)(iii), such Players are not limited in the length of an SPC they may sign, but in the event any such Player signs an SPC with a term of longer than one (1) year, the SPC shall not be permitted to contain Performance Bonuses.
John, the crux of this argument cannot rely on this paragraph, as this only applies to players who were injured or 35+ who would be eligible for performance bonuses. It says that players eligible for performance bonuses cannot have their contracts limited, but that if their contract is more than 1 year, their contract cannot have a performance bonus. Article 11’s where you want to be looking, but you know that already.
sorry, i should be more precise with my posts, i’m used to posting on sites that allow post editing:
It says that players eligible for performance bonuses cannot have their contracts limited, but that if their contract is more than 1 year, their contract cannot have a performance bonus.
when i said this, i meant that the CBA permits contracts of any length being given to players who were injured for the majority of the season or who are 35+, but that a contract in excess of 1 year cannot contain performance bonuses.
Really.
That is a good point, actually. I’ll look through Article 50 once more to see there is something else.
Though it would be weird if the only ones to sign contracts without no limit are those who have been injured or over 35+, no?
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, but it still doesn’t say that you can’t sign someone to 17 years and you would think if there was a limit it would say what that limit is.
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I don't think the issue is the length
it’s the steep and long drop off at the end.
Ovechkin’s contract isn’t brought up since his is basically the same each year.
I know that the dropoff is legal given the verbage but they could still kill it
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If its legal how can you justify killing it?
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This is the part of the CBA that lets them
(b) The System Arbitrator may find a Circumvention has occurred based on
direct or circumstantial evidence, including without limitation, evidence that an SPC or
any provision of an SPC cannot reasonably be explained in the absence of conduct
prohibited by this Article 26.
It’s words like circumstantial evidence and resonably be explained that give them the loopholes they need. An arbitrator can feel that the terms of the contract can’t “resonably be explained” and then kill it if he wants and not even provide any more explanation.
That’s why picking the arbitrator is going to take forever.
No one knows why, but second only to eating the brains of the living, the dead love affordable pre-fab furniture.
Again, that’s going to be covered in the next post. Let’s focus this post on Article 50.
Is there anything in Article 50 that covers this issue?
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
he asked why it could be killed so I responded with my reasoning I’ll try and make it back later for the next post
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Lou said the contract was legit.
Why waste the time drawing it up if you know it is going to be rejected?
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by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 23, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is the length. The last 5 seasons specifically. Its all about it ending when he is 44.
If Kovalchuk was 23 Instead of 27 and it would end when he is 40. I don’t think there is a stink over it.
For that matter. If Say a 20 year old rookie signs a similar deal and no one would make a stink.
Its all about the age.
At the risk
of going too far off topic again I tend to disagree. If he was at 1 or 1.5 mil those last five years I don’t think it would have been rejected.
But hey everyone can play the what if game so who knows.
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OK
I’ll take a fresh look at Article 50 tomorrow.
If true, I’ll update this post accordingly. Thanks Triumph44. That is a distinction that shouldn’t be too lost.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
AND SO IT IS UPDATED
Again, thanks Triumph. I’ve crossed out the errors and made clarifications where need be.
I hope it helps.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Get this man a suit and a briefcase
John, I believe you should be in arbitration court right now arguing these facts on the Devils behalf! Great work, an excellent journalistic investigation.
Marc R.
Interesting portion of Section 11
which deals with the arbitration process. It breaks contract violations into two types, those rejected “(A) because it results in the signing Club exceeding the Upper Limit, or (B) because it does not comply with the Maximum Player Salary or C) because it is or involves a Circumvention of either the Club’s Upper Limit or the Maximum Player Salary” (11.6.a.i) and then, as a separate category, everything else. Now, I don’t believe that Kovy contract violates any of the specifically listed conditions, does it?
If the Arbitrator upholds the league rejection due to any of the listed conditions in section (i), then the contract is null and void. (11.6.a.iii) HOWEVER — and this is the interesting part — for rejections on conditions not listed in subsection (i), the Arbitrator must “reform” the contract to make it conform to the CBA without modifying the term (length) or the total compensation (11.6.a.iv). This contract is then considered valid unless player and team come up with another contract that is compliant within 3 days.
This seems to me to say that if the league does not choose one of A, B, or C as violations, then the contract will ultimately be approved by the Arbitrator (even if he modifies it) with no change to the salary, length, or cap hit.
Can someone disprove this analysis or tell me that I’m reading this wrong?
the league specifically stated that the reason for the rejection of the contract was “circumvention” of the salary cap, which falls under subsection (i), so all proceedings with arbitration follow that path rather than the much more benign-sounding subsection (ii) arbitration.
But was it for the Club’s upper limit or the maximum player salary? Those are the only two options listed.
it was the “because we felt like it” option. As John has seemed to prove, the contract does not circumvent the cap based on what is actually in the CBA.
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Sigh.
The next post will deal with the on-going procedures now that NHL rejected the Devils’ contract with Kovalchuk. If you must, call this Part 1 of 2, since the two are connected. So don’t discuss that in the comments here, do it in that post when it comes up. Here’s a tease; as stated in Article 50.9.(b):
SIGH.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re welcome for the assists in reading the CBA. You’ve spelled out in greater detail than I certainly have time for how the contract is valid under article 50.
As to SPC length – I searched the CBA; there is no other phrase or clause that mentions length of contract in years. The CBA does not limit how many years a player can sign for.
I look forward to your post on Article 11 and 26, and how they are in fact different things.
Quisp’s already come up with a response to this.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 23, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he focuses entirely on whether or not there is a limit to how many years a SPC can be for, and says that the CBA does not explicitly say there is a limit.
That part is right: it does not explicitly say there is a limit to how long a SPC can be. Unfortunately for him, this is a Collective Bargaining Agreement. If there is no explicit bar to contract length, there is no bar to contract length.
The League can’t say tomorrow there is suddenly a limit without the NHLPA agreeing to modify the CBA.
+1 Ditto
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I don’t want to start a blood fued between ILWT and JFtC but Quisp really needs to stop e-stalking this site.
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Would you rather have less articulate and more hateful fans from other teams here with no interest beyond trolling? The Kings fans have mostly been civil, even if we completely disagree with their opinions. I don’t know that followers from Our Hated Rivals or blood brothers to the Honorless Captain would be the same.
And of course the Kings fans are watching us closely. They don’t really have anything of significance going on for their club at this point in the summer, plus they were the “other woman” in this whole Kovalchuk saga.
I have no problem with the Kings fans commenting on the site, but if someone has a problem with something that is posted here then argue it here. Don’t go running back to your own site so all your little friends can agree with you. Be a man about it.
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I will never have a problem with fans of other teams here as long as they play by the same rules. If you do, you will quickly find yourself banned.
Seriously, I have no beef with Quisp or anyone who disagrees. Neither should you. If you think someone’s being foolish, just leave them alone and ignore them. Talking behind their back or worrying about them is just petty. There’s no value of worrying about what others on other sites think of you.
I mean, if I cared about what others thought, do you think I would post long posts on things I’m interested in going through at length that I don’t know if everyone who comments actually reads?
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
John, that's funny. We were writing more or less the same thing at the same time.
I would add that if you think I’m being foolish, or just wrong even, lay down the facts. I’m frequently wrong, as anyone who reads the Kings blog knows.
Wait till this year.
That’s nice.
In about 10 minutes, he or she will have something else to chew on.
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by John Fischer on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love you John
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Frustrating
to read the Kings articles and comment boards. It seems to me while they say they dont care what happens, or have problems with us or our site, they spend the majority (literally, check the number of stories about Kovy and how many of them are Vs ILWT) of their time bashing not only what we have to say, but what we believe the CBA says.
I joined the JFTC site before the Free Agency period, as I like watching the Kings play, and saw that Fischer often mentioned Quisp’s articles as a good read.
After what Ive seen over the last month or so, I certainly do not feel the same way.
Moderator Fischer, did you actually ban Quisp from this site (as it seems he says has indeed happened, and of course the readers jump on that to assert more of their dislike of us)?
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So don’t go there.
Clearly there’s little there for a visitor unless they want 24/7 Kovalchuk coverage or sycophancy, so just avoid it. Maybe once all this dies down they’ll get back to, you know, actually covering their own team like the other 29 SBN blogs and it’ll be worth revisiting.
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Im even hoping there is more here about other Devils news. The CBA legalese, while I understand is necessary, drones, and seems between those of us who understand the NHL has no leg to stand on, and those who understand that the NHL does have ‘two legs’ to stand on, to be inconclusive. The issue is tiresome to argue back and forth.
How about something whimsical, something light which pertains to the Devils, but not about the CBA.
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What does this have to do with this topic? Is this worth discussing?
Actually, since it keeps coming up, I’m making an exception and not removing this. I want to publicly state that these posts are not the place to discuss how any blog says I, you, or we are terrible; and it’s not the place to bash other blogs or whathaveyou. To echo elesias, ignore what you think is foolish and discuss the actual topic of the post on this site.
Moreover, what I do to other users is of none of your or any user but the one in question’s concern. If you follow the rules, then no problem. If you don’t, I warn/ban and you. It’s that simple and it’s not a democratic or public issue to discuss, as I am essentially the benevolent dictator whose iron hand can quickly become an iron fist.
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by John Fischer on Jul 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy.
Why hasn’t he filed a grievance yet? I am starting to wonder how come he hasn’t done anything. I know he has till Monday but is he saying something to the Devils organization or the team if he doesn’t file. That kind of shows this was his only option and had to take it. Just my take on it.
P.S. John, great article like every other article on here!
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The NHLPA has until 5 PM on Monday to file said grievance. And it appears that they are going to do precisely that.
There’s no particular need to rush, so long as the grievance is filed by the deadline. For starters, there is no arbitrator at present, so the need to find one that all parties can live with is likely to take at least a little bit of time. Also, all parties may be talking behind the scenes looking for some kind of resolution, and they’re just keeping it under wraps better than all the Kovy-to-LA rumours.
There isn’t anything else Lou and the Devils can do at this point, short of re-working the contract with Kovy and Jay Grossman on their own. There is no mechanism within the CBA for the team to protest the NHL’s rejection of this contract, just for the player to do so through the union. I imagine they’ll file late Monday afternoon if another solution isn’t found before then, but it isn’t like the clock is almost expired (yet).

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