Atlantic Division Fan Confidence
The above link is a side by side comparison of the fan confidence polls for the atlantic division teams.
I thought it might be interesting to compare. Flyers and Rangers fans seem to be losing confidence in their teams, meanwhile, Islanders fans seem to be delusional. Penguins fans are always confident, but if you ask me Martin and Michalek can't replace Gonchar, nor will their team be the juggernaut they were a couple years back after having to trade off their core to make cap room. Us Devils supporters have happily become more confident since the free agent signings and Kovalchuk signing. Weigh in with your thoughts below.
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Why don’t you just embed the image for all to see? Would it not fit? I can help with re-sizing if need be (let’s not make this a service, I’m just offering to help here)
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Ah, I figured it out. Use the direct URL link to the picture.
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by John Fischer on Jul 25, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry, I addressed it.
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by John Fischer on Jul 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And the last Flyers fan confidence poll began before the Gagne trade. So it might go further down still. The majority of fans have little confidence in Homer…
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 24, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
To clarify, they have little confidence in Homer now. I was generally happy with Homer’s dealings prior to June 30, when he re-signed Leighton. After that it all went downhill.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 24, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He does seem to have his head-scratching moments… but if I recall correctly the fan confidence was really low a month or so before the season ended (30% ish?) and look how that turned out.
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Martin and Michalek can’t replace Gonchar
Gonchar is a great pp guy, but he’s a negative at EV. I think you’re giving him too much credit.
nor will their team be the juggernot they were a couple years back after having to trade off their core to make cap room.
Which core players did we trade?
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Maybe core was a little excessive, but I was referring to great players that you guys have replaced with lesser options, such as malone, satan, fedetenko, whitney, scuderi, gill, eaton, sykora, now gonchar, maybe guerin, ponikarovsky is looking like he’s going to walk.
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I guess we can quibble over semantics all day long, but I wouldn’t those any of those players “part of the core” or “great.” Considering that we’ve lost that group over a 3 year span, I don’t think it’s any different than any other team dealing with cap management problems.
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Martin and Michalek can’t replace Gonchar
Actually, I believe Paul Martin on his own will be a more-than-adequate replacement for Gonchar. The Pens will lose a little bit offensively, but I imagine Paul Martin will finally receive recognition for his offensive talents that would never come while he was in New Jersey. When you add Michalek into the equation, I think the Penguins defense is deeper and more talented than it was last year. Remember that Sergei Gonchar is 36 years old, so it was reasonable to build in some level of decline considering his advanced age if he did stick around the Steel City.
There’s certainly a valid question as to who will skate on the wings with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal and what will be gotten out of them. I imagine the answer will be to find some combination budget veterans and prospects as the first attempt, and to start churning the mix if that doesn’t work out. They don’t necessarily have the depth that other teams have as far as high-quality forwards, but their core is so good that they can manage.
I see no particular reason why the Penguins won’t be challenging for an Atlantic Division title again this season, short of a glut of injuries. Their question mark is the depth of scoring, particularly on the wings, whereas the Devils still have to figure out how to squeeze under the cap (assuming the Kovy contract or something resembling it is uphed) and where they will find offense back at the blue line.
The one thing Martin doesn’t more than replace in Gonchar (aside from pure offense, though I agree with your sentiment about his numbers in their system likely improving) is QBing the PP.
Their PP was pretty bad last year even when Gonchar was in the lineup, but was even worse when he wasn’t. I believe they got rid of their PP coach this off-season, and their poor showing could have just been in part an anomaly as it’s hard to believe a PP with the players they put out on it can maintain that level of suckitude, but Gonchar was a big part of what success they did have, and I question Martin’s ability to even approach replacing him in that.
Michalek I don’t know enough about to guess.
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We were actually a very good power play when Gonchar was in the lineup.
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I wouldn’t classify 19.4% as “very good”, but perhaps it’s not fair to say it was “pretty bad”. It’s not really worth arguing the semantics.
My point was the PP was better with him than without him, and I have reservations that Martin is the guy to replace him in that respect.
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I’m hoping that even though Martin doesn’t have the same PP potential, we might be able to adjust the system or see an increase in everyone else to make up for Gonchar’s loss.
Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
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Did you guys change special teams coaches? That may have some effect as well.
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The Penguins split up coaching duties for the PK and PP. One asst coach takes the forwards and the PK and the other takes the defensemen and the PP. Mike Yeo was our PP and D coach, but he left for a head coaching job in the AHL. We’ll see if that has any effect this year.
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That’s the guy. I recall him being the scapegoat of many a Penguins fan.
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that’s an insane difference. especially on the road. in my mind, Gonchar is one of the best in the league, but NOT the best.
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That’s definitely correct. The problem is that people forget he spends more time at EV, in which he’s not very good.
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Michalek is more of a defensive defenseman.
The Pens have Letang to QB the PP I guess.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking. Michalek and Martin were signed to keep pucks away from Fleury. Last year he sucked because the Pens D was injured for alot of the season, and they didn’t have Gill and Scuderi blocking shots in front of him. Michalek fills the void of the shot blocking ace the Pens need.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Michalek is very strong in that respect, but he also never had the opportunity to do anything else in PHX. He played on a terrible team with no one around him, so it’s like he’d put up some ridiculous numbers. I’m hoping that regular shifts with the Crosby or Malkin line will help him up his offensive game.
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When Michalek was on the ice, his teammates were not only terrible according to QTEAM and Corsi QoT, but they were the worst PHX had to offer.
I didn’t call PHX’s defense terrible though.
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Yet somehow his coaches kept putting him out there against the best competition in the league?
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We had crappy wings in 2009 when we won the Cup. Nobody cared about it that year, but last year when we got kicked in the second this year (even though the Pens team won in every other parallel universe), then everybody brings that up as a concern. We’re thinking about moving Jordan Staal up to 2C and switching Malkin to his wing. All we need is a good replacement 3C and we’re set to make some noise.
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I’m trying to get past the Juggernot comment. They are probably approaching that status.
But Juggernot they are not.
Juggernaut
Minor pet peeve, and I’m not picking on anyone here, but if we’re going to keep using the term, can we spell it correctly? Pretty please?
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I don’t think the Islanders fans are delusional at all. They know and recognize that they’re 3 or 4 years into a rebuilding process, but they also know that their club has done a pretty good job sticking with the plan.
They’ve stockpiled quite a bit of young talent in Tavares and Okposo and Bailey, etc., and found perhaps a real gem in Moulson. They’ve got a very underrated Mark Streit leading an, albeit, mediocre defense, but they’ve taken real strides in the past few years and it’s reasonable to expect to make the playoffs as a lower seed in year 4 of a rebuild, even if they don’t go anywhere. Besides, they always play the rest of the division tough, so it’s not a stretch to think they might hold their own in the divisional race.
Whether or not it happens is a different story, but I don’t think it’s delusional to expect it at this point.
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Well they can’t be delusional.. They had a great draft in getting Nino, Kabanov (If he matures), and Nelson. If you watched their little skills competition they had, Petrov looks great, Marcinko is fast, and Kohn looks promising. If I was an Isles fan I would be pretty happy with the offseason adding Eaton, Jurcina, Konopka, Parenteau, and losing Biron.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Think of how confident the Islander fans could be if they were only to add a seasoned and experienced right wing, one that could help sheppard the newbies along for a season or two. And imagine if that same forward (wink, wink) could play the point on the power play. And if he had a cap hit in the 5 million range he could help bring them up to the cap floor. I only wish, for the Islanders sake, that such an individual was available.
They already have Nino as a RW.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they add Frolov though. Think of a Frolov-Bailey-Niederreiter line. Thats a great line following a Tavares and Okposo line.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What would have really given more confidence is if they were able to pull Paul Martin to the Island.
Seriously, they’re a solid defensive core away from really making some playoff noise in a few years. Maybe even this year if they get some breaks a la the 09-10 Colorado Avalanche.
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by John Fischer on Jul 25, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
But Martin is to worried about how the arena looks since he’ll be out for 2/3 of the season next year and watching the games from the press box. Ha ha. But seriously if they add another puck moving offenseman going with Streit, they could get very scary pending good goaltending from Roloson and maybe DiPietro.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Isles
I think the Islander fans have an easier time being confident in the team because there is little pressure right now to actually produce a Playoff team. I think the Fan Confidence would plummet if the team were to rise this season (close to Playoff berth) and then regress (back to Oilers point totals) the following year.
But for now, even Im confident in what the Isles are doing. I think they need to strengthen their back end in order to be competitive, however, I do believe the Atlantic will be the strongest division this season.
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Atlantic got much better and the Southeast div. too.
NJ adds Volchenkov, Tallinder, Hedberg, Kovalchuk (likely).
PIT adds Martin, Michalek, Craig, and Potter
PHI adds Zherdev, Meszaros, Shelley, O’Donnel, Walker
NYR adds Boogard, Biron, and Eminger
NYI adds Jurcina, Eaton, Parenteau, and Konopka.
SE Divison additions-
WASH adds Fahey
TB adds Gagne, Clark, Kubina, Ellis, and Pouliot
CAR adds Corvo
FL adds Wideman, Reasoner, Bernier, Higgins, Grabner, Paetsch
ATL adds Buff, Sopel, Eager, Ladd, and Mason
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Atlantic retooled whereas the SE actually improved. To a degree.
Atlanta and TB can be potentially far better than they were last year (of course they both had a lot of room for improvement); Florida seems like it filled out a bit, but keep in mind they also lost Horton; Carolina didn’t make many changes and have seemingly fully committed to a full-on youth movement, and who can predict how that will turn out?
If it were up for vote, I’d vote the SE the “Most Improved” division, but it’s all relative to their starting points so who knows how that will all pan out as far as team success?
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The Islanders will finish above the Rangers next year, you can take that to the bank.
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by slackdog_rm on Jul 25, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That would probably come to the surprise of no one. Even rational Rangers’ fans (an oxymoron, I know – but they exist, I’ve even seen them on BSB!) are cognizant that they’re not a playoff team as currently constituted.
It would make Islanders fans extremely happy though.
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+1
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s likely what’s going to happen. Young talent ready to break out vs old overpaid players.
I’m just hoping the Isles don’t get too good over the next few years…
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Old overpaid players?
Who besides Drury, Redden, and Rozsival fits that description? The Rangers team is actually pretty young when you look at it, and will likely be infusing more youth again this year. We played 6 different rookies last year (Gilroy, Anisimov, Del Zotto, Sanguinetti, Heikkenen, and Byers)
The reason, IMO, that the Rangers confidence is down is because most sane fans realize that the team is in a rebuild (as much as Dolan would allow a rebuild), and expectations shouldn’t be that high.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The real problem with the Rangers is a distinct lack of roster flexibility — what you see is what you get. Looking over their payroll, I don’t see where they can make major changes short of trading problem-for-problem, or burying salary in the Minors. The latter is certainly possible, but isn’t desirable (and is one of the loopholes I’d look to expunge in the next CBA negotiations, personally).
We’ve already seen the impact of the cap situation on this year’s free agent market. The Rangers haven’t been significant players, and they’ve still got a key RFA unsigned. It doesn’t appear to get any better for 2011-2012, considering the RFAs coming up. I suspect some difficult decisions will have to be made regarding Callahan, Dubinsky, Gilroy, Anisimov, etc.
The Rangers will have to decide what they are. If they are a rebuilding team, it might make sense to try and move Drury, Gaborik, et al, and take what you can get for them even if it isn’t much more than cap relief. If they’re a veteran-laden club pushing for the playoffs — which the Dolans likely want considering the Knicks have been putrid for a decade — they need to find a way to bring in budget veterans to fill in, and perhaps move some of the “kids” whose contract issues can hamstring the cap down the line.
Youth in and of itself is not a virtue. A lot of really lousy teams have a tendency to play a lot of “kids” in prominent roles to try and find out what they have and how it might fit in the future. About six weeks ago, I brought up the question of the Devils drafting and development in the context of asking if it was time to break everything down and start from scratch. It becomes much easier to build a young club when you accumulate several very high draft picks. The Devils haven’t had that opportunity for an extremely long time…. and the Rangers draft history doesn’t look too terribly terrific, even when they have had Top 10 picks.
The Rangers’ ability to paper over their mistakes in piles of cash was a strength in the pre-cap era. Now that there’s a salary cap, it comes down to draft and development combined with shrewd trades. This might just be the Devils fan in me speaking, but I don’t see how the Rangers will dramatically improve with what they’ve got right now. I see a team that could easily spend a few years floating around the 6-12 range in the East…. good enough to compete for a playoff spot, perhaps even make it there with the odd break or two, but nothing says they’ll rise to become an elite team as presently constituted.
The real problem with the Rangers is a distinct lack of roster flexibility — what you see is what you get. Looking over their payroll, I don’t see where they can make major changes short of trading problem-for-problem, or burying salary in the Minors.
Absolutely correct, that’s the big issue. Drury has a NMC, so he goes nowhere, but there’s hope in Ranger land that they can unload Rozsival (whose $5m cap number only comes with $7m in salary for two years) and demote Redden’s money.
The Rangers haven’t been significant players, and they’ve still got a key RFA unsigned. It doesn’t appear to get any better for 2011-2012, considering the RFAs coming up. I suspect some difficult decisions will have to be made regarding Callahan, Dubinsky, Gilroy, Anisimov, etc.
This years FA class wasn’t exactly monstrous. Besides Kovalchuk, what big impact guy was there to get on offense? They were some defenders, sure, but there’s no room at the inn for them b/c of the mistakes. They did sure up the backup goalie spot, they re-signed Prospal as a stop-gap, they re-signed Prust, Christensen and Girardi, who are solid role players if unspectacular. They also added the reigning MVP from the SEL in the Norwegian Hobbit (Mats Zuccarello-Aasen). So while they haven’t made their typical big splash, they’ve done well to bring in some pieces.
Staal not signed is a problem, but one that will be resolved one way or another. As for the decisions…I expect Callahan, Dubinsky, and Anisimov re-signed. They’re not going to command massive raises (barring a breakout), so the contracts of Brashear Eminger and Prospal coming off the books ($4.6m) should be more than enough to cover the extra money needed for them (figure $1m each on average). I also expect Gilroy to be shed. The team has plenty of D prospects that will step in for Gilroy, without the unnecessary $1.75m cap hit. That’s all in the worst case where they don’t actually send Redden to Hartford, if he goes, everything is easier.
and the Rangers draft history doesn’t look too terribly terrific, even when they have had Top 10 picks.
You have to isolate the Sather draft era from the Gordie Clark era. Clark has brought in Del Zotto already, and in the last two years drafted Grachev, Werek, Kreider, Stepan, Weise, Pashnin, and McIlrath, who are all expected to play roles on this team…plus the acquisitions of McDonagh and Valentenko from MTL in the Gomez deal.
Now..are they all superstars? Of course not.. They do give enough hope that you can live with the next two years of cap inflexibility and tempered (at best) expectations. We have the key pieces..the superstar scorer (Gaborik), the shut down defenseman (Staal), the ‘gritty’ 20 goal guys with Dubinsky/Callahan, a PP QB (Del Zotto) and the star goalie. The key will be to properly fit the pieces in around them. The x-factor is Anisimov, if he doesn’t become a #1C (too early to tell), then there’s a weakness that has to be addressed.
This might just be the Devils fan in me speaking, but I don’t see how the Rangers will dramatically improve with what they’ve got right now. I see a team that could easily spend a few years floating around the 6-12 range in the East…. good enough to compete for a playoff spot, perhaps even make it there with the odd break or two, but nothing says they’ll rise to become an elite team as presently constituted.
First…papering over the mistakes with cash never worked, even pre-cap. But that was a Neil Smith thing more than a Sather thing anyway. Sather had his share of atrocities ($9m for a 3rd line center in Holik?), but it’s gotten better over time.
I agree…this current team is blech, and will be until we really get all of the kids we think up and stabilized, which could be 5 years. Sather made many mistakes, and continues to do so in UFA, overpaying to make sure he gets the guy he wants, rather than realizing there’s a cost for that role and you have to stay within even if it means getting your 2nd choice. They’re cleaning it up slowly, it’s a process and everything you mentioned has slowed it down further. Thus, that explains why fan confidence is down right now, because it’s based on current expectations, of which fans shouldn’t have many.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’ve lurked for a while, wanted to chime in on the Kovy stuff, but stupid 1 day waiting period made everything I wanted to say obsolete.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Callahan
I could see him commanding a lot of money on the market if he gets that far, even as an RFA. To me, Callahan looks like David Clarkson with a more refined offensive game, and his ceiling looks like “high-end power forward”. A nice mix of offensive ability and sandpaper — in short, the type of guy Brian Burke up in Toronto loves.
His cap hit is at $2.3 million now, and David Clarkson just signed for 3 years and $8 million. Based on that, I could see Callahan north of $3 million easy, maybe even $4 million if he decides to try and maximize what he can get.
Funny, you sound like the Rangers fan base.
Cally gets all the publicity, but Dubinsky’s the better talent.
Cally’s only 5’11"-180, he won’t ever he a typical power forward. He is what he is, a 3rd line grinder w/ 2nd line potential. He’ll give you 20 goals, one of the best PKers in the league, but not a really high offensive ceiling.
Dubi’s 6’1"-210 (bigger than Clarkson), coming off a 52 point pace season, and is a year younger. I’m much more worried about him putting up a 25-35-60 season and commanding $4m next year than Ryan.
Even if Cally gets $3.3m, that’s still only a $1m raise for him, which is about what I’m figuring he’ll get.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Callahan
Gritty, PK machine, he can shoot the puck, always noticing him on the ice for good things, and he can put 50+ points. Put him on a line with Gaborik and a center and he could pick up 60 points. Dubinsky is interesting. He tries to spark fights but never really follows through with them (excuse my devil bias but he looks like a kid when he is angry and tries to pick a fight). I would be afraid of Burke once Callahan hits the market that Burke will offer him a hefty contract.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cally’s still an RFA..if Burke wants to throw 5m at him, I’ll gladly take the 1-2-3 in compensation. He’s also a RW, as is Gaborik, so it’s not likely they’ll ever play together consistently. He also gets overwhelmed by harder competition, which is not true of Dubinsky. Dubinsky’s issue is only consistency, he’s the better talent.
I just wrote a bunch of stuff on both if you’re really curious (and don’t mind being statistic-ed to death:
http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2010/7/17/1574601/ryan-callahan-a-look-at-his
http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2010/7/22/1575580/brandon-dubinsky-the-man-the-myth
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As for your ‘bias’…yeah, Dubinsky will run his mouth alot but he doesn’t engage much. He will fight though. He absolutely loathes Mike Richards, and two of them are constantly yapping,and occasionally throw down.
Nature of his game…he looks like he’s 5 years old anyway, let alone when he’s angry.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as it is Richards he is going after I am fine with it. lol. I know he’ll fight and has the guts too.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sangs is in Carolina
Gilroy didn’t look good, Anisimov needs to be on the first line with Gaborik, and Del Zotto looks great but flashy at points in the year. I still would’ve drafted Fowler with that 10th pick but they went tough with Mcilroy.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Was more pointing out that they were trying to infuse youth last year. Gilroy was fine early but hit a wall, but his offense never developed, which is the real problem.
Anisimov’s not ready for 1st line competition yet, I agree that he should eventually get to Gaborik’s line though to be most effective.
I would’ve taken Fowler too, I was fairly upset at the time, but after reading through various reports, I’m cool with him. His ceiling is allegedly Shea Weber-like, which is hard to not get excited about.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard about the Weber comparison
I just can’t see the Rangers grooming McIlrath into a Weber “type” player. The thing I hear the most about Dylan is that he likes to fight a lot. Theres only one Weber though. If they get half of Weber it would be a pretty good draft pick but you never know what Fowler and Gormely will produce in the NHL. Although I have to say you guys were very funny on draft day at BSB. I went over there just to read what you guys were saying about the 10th pick and ended up falling off my chair when you picked Dylan.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I went on complete life-tilt, mostly because the draft coverage only focused on his 19 fighting majors.
Once I found out he’s got a bomb of a shot, and he was starting to be groomed to be a PP QB, combined with his size and nastiness..it’s hard not to like.
Gormley-Fowler-McIllrath will forever be tied…it will be interesting. Nostalgic fans are hoping McIlrath becomes the Beukeboom to Del Zotto’s Leetch. I think that’s an insult to the 94 guys, but you have to love the optimism.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Hrmn, you guys seem convinced of this. Im not ready to anoint the Islanders to be a better team or finish higher in the standings than the Rangers. I think so much of it relies on goaltending, and the Rangers are superior in that aspect. And even though the Islanders are up-an-coming, and I like the direction they are headed in, their Defense (Streit, Eaton, Martinek, Jurcina, Gervais, Kohn, MacDonald and Hillen) leaves so much to be desired.
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I guess the thinking goes, “The Islanders are getting better with experience while the Rangers are stagnating, if not declining.”
The Rangers last year finished with 87 points, the Isles only 79, and while the vast goal differential (Rags +4, Isles -42) suggests a wide gap in ability, the simple fact is that the Rangers only won 4 more games than the Islanders. A couple bounces either way and it could have happened already.
The Isles’ players will be playing hungry, with little pressure or expectations on them, and the Rangers’ players will be hurrying to the bank to deposit their exorbitant paychecks.
I’m pretty convinced, yeah… but that’s why they play the games on the ice and not on paper :)
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I guess when I watch the two of them play, I see one team that has to work extremely hard to be viable with the other not consitently playing up to their talent level. While it stands to reason that the younger, lower-paid team will be more willing to keep that work ethic, I have a hard time thinking they can continue that when there is some pressure to do well (make the Playoffs) whereas the Rangers’ talent level can take them further.
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We have a ton of prospects on their way in within 2 years also, assuming Sather doesn’t F it up somehow (big assumption)
Our roster now has some dead weight, and the Booger contract was something worse than moronic. I wouldn’t argue that the Isles could be better this year (I don’t believe so, but I wouldn’t argue it). I think we have as good a future as they do though, and, as you said, we have an elite goaltender to pull through it.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see that either the Rangers or the Islanders has appreciably improved.
Admittedly, the Rangers were one save away from making the playoffs, but their philosophy still seems to be “Pray Henrik Lundqvist pitches a shutout and Marian Gaborik scores a 3rd-period goal”. Our Hated Rivals are swamped by bad contracts — Drury and his NMC, Redden and Roszival with partial NTCs (per CapGeek), Boogard and Brashear simply on Glen Sather’s ineptitude — and don’t have the flexibility to make a dramatic overhaul on the team or dip into the deep end of the free agent pool. Short of bringing up a few kids and having them make a significant impact, I don’t see how they improve. Their goaltending is solid, but “King Henrik” is often very hit-and-miss and is just as often a problem rather than the solution.
The Islanders are a young team on the rise, but I think they are still trying to figure out what they have and who should be there going forward. They can certainly improve themselves based on their ability to absorb bad contracts and be paid handsomely for that, but I don’t see where their talent is significantly stronger than it was last season. Their continued improvement depends on more prospects developing and becoming players they can build around combined with smart pickups from outside the organization. In addition, their goaltending situation is a big question mark…. and a team in that position can end up losing a lot of winnable games.
I don’t see this season playing out all that differently from last, as far as the Atlantic goes. The Devils (with Kovy) and Penguins will scrap for supremacy. The Flyers will hang around, scrap for a playoff berth in the 6-8 range, and be a tough out for whomever they face. The Rangers will start fast before falling apart, hang around in the race for a while, and ultimately miss by a small margin. The Islanders will be pesky, especially within the division, but I don’t know that they have the horses to break through right now…. although their cap space means they could make a splash later in the season if it looks like they are ready to take the next step.
"King Henrik" is often very hit-and-miss and is just as often a problem rather than the solution.
That’s just incorrect. His quality start% is 62.5%. Not as high as Brodeur (66.7%), but still quite good. Without running every goaltender, I’d bet it’s at least top 10, if not top 5.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Henrik is while he is a great goalie, he is almost a 7 million dollar cap hit on a team loaded with over paid players. Cap difficulties will definantly hold back the Rangers and until Drury comes off the cap 2012 in a couple years and maybe not until 2014 when all the ranger’s current contracts expries it is difficult to see the team making a deep a playoff run.
We’re paying $7.5m for goaltending, you’re paying $6.75m, now yes, $750k isn’t exactly chopped liver, but as you said…the other overpaid players are of much more concern than the extra money we’re paying Hank. At least he performs to the level of his deal.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you here, Henrik Lundqvist is not the problem in NY. I think the Rangers problem is they seem to rely on him. As long as Lundqvist’s confidence remains high, he is one step below elite. The Rangers have to hope though, for all of their collective sake, that he does not waver in that confidence. If he does, the Rangers sink.
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I agree
I like Henrik as an NHL fan but not as a Devils fan. If Henrik played 65-70 games a year, I would be very scared of him down the stretch. But since he gets off to a great start like the past 2 years starting like 12-2 or something and then have a bad to mediocre “middle” season is not good. Look at this year. Fighting to the end and when you run into the Flyers to get into the playoffs it can’t be good. Insult to injury is that Henrik is one of the best or THE best in the SO’s. Now they have Biron which is I guess a “risk”. You either get the Flyer Biron or Islander Biron. Boogard I just don’t get. They make one mistake with Brashear and then add Boogard. Drury is a great 3rd liner with a 1st line salary. But I have something good to say about the Rangers. There prospects look pretty good. Stepan looks great. Grachev sounds like he is good and I saw him play the Devils in the season ticket holders game. And Bourque looked good playing for the US. Am I forgetting anybody?
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I forgetting anybody?
Kreider might be the best of all the forward prospects, and McDonagh (Stepan’s teammate at Wisconsin) could be the final nail in Redden’s NHL career with a strong camp.
Bourque’s actually about 7th or 8th among the promising forwards, he’s already got an injury history.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
O yes Kreider
How can I forget? The thing thats seems weird is that where are you going to put these centers? You have Dubinsky at center for a few years unless they trade him for Brad Richards or something. You have Prospal for 2 years, Drury for 3 years more, Christensen for 3 more years, Anisimov will get a spot, and Prust being a center for 3 more seasons. When do these guys get in?
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of corrections
Torts is convinced Dubinsky is a LW.
We only have Prospal for one year, it’s Christensen we have for 2.
Drury also only has 2 more.
Prust is a wing.
The current roster centers are Christensen-Anisimov-Drury-Boyle. Dubinsky and Prospal will play mostly wing. Boyle will be lucky to hold on to his NHL job.
If all goes to plan…eventually it would be Anisimov-Stepan-Werek-Horak down the middle. That’s a good 4 years away though, if it even came to pass.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I am going by what nhlnumbers has and its hard to read with the contracts go til. I thought Prust was a winger at first but once again it said W. Boyle seems like trade bait for a late draft pick or even a boyout or something. BTW I love your motto. Ha ha
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No prob…don’t expect you to be an expert on the Rangers any more than I’m an expert on the Devs.
For instance…when I see that b/c of Kovy that Zubrus might have to go, my first thought was “who the hell wants 3 years / $10.2 of Zubrus.” After reading through here though, clearly your fan base doesn’t agree.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't
He’s a big body winger who can put up 40 points on a decent 3rd line. I wouldn’t expect anything less then a 3rd round pick for him. Hey if teams like the Islanders or Avs want a good 3rd line guy who can play eveywhere and get to the cap floor (ceiling? idk) why not?
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Right…there’s the obvious disconnect when you don’t follow a team every day, that’s all I’m saying.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
still i don’t believe lundqvist is top 5… when hes on his game? hell yeah hes insane but consistently over a season i dont think so
by kewlnsimpguy on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t have to believe it, but it is true. He doesn’t have any more stinkers than a normal NHL goaltender does.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
I’ve seen Henrik go on multiple 10+ game streaks of a 4.00+ GAA and a sub .900 save percentage.
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He can be streaky, there is no denying that. Most goalies are.
In his defense, he doesn’t have a whole lot to work with. His defense in front of him isn’t exactly anything to write home about, and the Rangers’ offense was among the league’s worst. It is a recipe for failure when you need your goalie to hold the opposition to 1 goal per night just to keep your own team in the game.
I think he’s a good goalie, but not a great goalie (or even an elite goalie). When your record is 35-37 over a full season (I’m counting OT and shootout losses as losses, not “ties”), that isn’t really getting the job done on a consistent basis.
Lundquist gets a lot of press and a lot of hype, and I suspect some of it comes from playing in New York. If he put up his numbers in Denver, or St. Paul, or Edmonton, or Nashville, I wonder if we’d all think he was a Top 5 goalie and Vezina candidate every single season.
Going back to the quality starts metric.
The Rangers were only 30-15 in games where he had either a .913+ sv%, or .885+ and 2 or fewer goals. Devs were 38-9 in Brodeur’s quality starts.
Perhaps more importantly…in the non quality starts…Devs were 7-22, Rangers 5-22. Even if you give Henrik 1/2 the improvement…He’s 40-32, the team is 43-28, and 5th in the conference.
I get it, I’m fighting a serious uphill battle here trying to convince a Devils fan otherwise, but your hate of Lundqvist is clouding how good he is. He’s not the best in the league (Hiller is honestly), but he’s a top 5 goaltender, and there’s a million ways to argue that case.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll concede Top 10 without an argument. I’d fight Top 5 based on his lack of post-season success, and the lack of team success. The Rangers have missed the playoffs twice since the lockout, including this year, and they’ve never had home ice in a playoff series. It isn’t all his fault, mind you — when the Rangers got swept in 2006 and Jagr hurt himself, the Rangers spent half the series in the penalty box including yielding 11 power players in the opener — but in my mind an elite goalie can steal you a playoff series, and I’ve seen no evidence that he is the kind of goalie who can do so.
While they didn’t finish the job, he did come damn close to stealing the Washington series.
To get a concession of top 10 from a Devs fan is a win for me, so I’ll just let it go.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 10
Top 10 include in NO particular order
Miller
Brodeur
Lundqvist
Bryzgalov
Rinne
Ward
Vokoun
Kiprusoff
Hiller
and sadly, Luongo.
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I would replace Vokoun with Halak
But thats just me
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 26, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I would replace Luongo with a shooter tutor.
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Luongo replaced with the "Super Scoreo" board
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 26, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Luongo replaced with....
…. how about that sheet of plexiglass I seem to remember behind Mike Richter in some hockey commercial from several years back?
Now Mike Richter I’ll never have a problem with, Ranger or no. He was a Wisconsin Badger, and I’ll root for them unconditionally being a Badger myself.
Apparently this is a G-rated site
So I’ll repost…
Vokoun’s got great save% on really not good teams. Halak got hot for 2 playoff series. There’s no way I’d include him.
Ward also stinks (compared to elite goalies), but he has a Conn Smythe and a Cup, so people think he’s good.
Give me Backstrom over Ward, and I like Skuba’s list.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida goalies are overrated. That franchise has an official scorer who likes to inflate the shot counts of the visiting team as to make his own goalie look better.
I didn’t know that. He’s only had 108 home starts since joining FLA though.
Even if you take 500 shots away from Vokoun’s career totals (roughly 5 shots per home start), his ES SV% is still .926, equal to Henrik and Brodeur, and better than everyone on that list besides Luongo and Hiller.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just notice something
Look at that list and tell me how their teams did in the playoffs this season:
Buffalo – out in the 1st round
Devils – out in the 1st round
Rangers – didn’t make the playoffs
Coyotes – out in the 1st round
Predators – out in the 1st round
Carolina – didn’t make the playoffs
Florida – didn’t make the playoffs
Flames – didn’t make the playoffs
Ducks – didn’t make the playoffs
Vancouver – out in the 2nd round
Who were the two SC goalies? Leighton/Boucher and Niemi, and those two won’t be Vezina contenders anytime soon…
There’s no real point to that, just pointing it out (oh, and all three Vezina nominees were out in the 1st round)
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by DownGoesAvery on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, looks like we had an anomaly this year.
But this is probably why some GM’s are thinking they should not be paying big money to the last line of defense.
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Well it’s a combination of that, and the fact that the separation between most goalies is only about 20-25 goals per season. (3-4 wins)
http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=558
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by George E. Ays on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to post that
But Niemi had a great year with the Hawks. Leighton was good. I don’t think the Flyers would have gotten to the finals with Boucher in goal.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He had 11 games of 4+ GA last year total. Brodeur had 13.
He had 15 the year before, Brodeur only played 30 games but had 7.
Year before that – 12 for Henrik, Brodeur 14.
Look, I get that he’s hated here obviously, but c’mon, don’t just make stuff up.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t saying he had more than 4 goals against for 10+ straight games, I’m saying his GAA was over 4.
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Without stringing a bunch together..it's hard to average over 4.
His worst 10 game stretches by year:
2009-2010 – 3.11
2008-09 – 3.78
2007-08 – 3.53
2006-07 – 3.63
2005-06 – 3.04
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That said..Brodeur’s worst stretches (only going back 3 years, and disregarding him being hurt last year)
3.37, 3.07, 3.22. So yes, there’s a difference in that regard. But GAA is also team dependant, and there’s no one alive (besides some looney tunes) that would argue the Rangers have been better.
SV% would be more telling, but I don’t feel like going through it right now.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see that either the Rangers or the Islanders has appreciably improved.
Awww, come on, Boogaard makes the Rangers Cup favorites.
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Somebody bet Sather “There’s no way you can create a worse contract than Redden’s.” He came awfully close.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey now....
…. Redden’s contract isn’t even close to the worst in the NHL right now. Just off the top of my head, I’d place these contracts in the Top 3 (and in no particular order):
- Brian Rolston, 2 more years at just over $5 million per, plus a full NTC, plus the 35+ rule. He hit the market at the right time, is getting paid for his Minnesota performance, but he seems to have left a lot of his game behind him when he came east. You can’t bury his contract in the Minors, and you probably can’t get much value for him at all… assuming, of course, he’ll even consent to be moved.
- Sheldon Souray. Similar term and per-annum as Rolston, a full NTC, although he doesn’t have the 35+ rule holding him down. His injury history makes him a very dicey bet for an acquiring team…. and the Oilers just passed him through waivers with nary a taker.
- Brian Campbell. Six more years at $7.14m per, for a defenseman who has slid to #4 on their depth chart (at best). An NTC tossed in for good measure. Hands down, I think this might be the worst contract in hockey. Heck, it’s so bad I’m not sure the Rangers would trade Redden for Campbell straight up!
Rolston’s at least coming off a 37 point year. Not good enough for $5m, but you only have two years left of him.
Souray’s only got 2 years left, half of Redden, for $1m less. And when he’s healthy, he’s way more productive, though useless defensively.
Campbell’s not even the worst on his own team (Huet anyone?)
Redden was just paid $6.5m to play no defense and put up 14 points. 14. If we didn’t have two other abysmal contracts in Drury and Rozsival, I’d take Campbell for Redden. Campbell’s at least still productive.
And as I implied..Booger’s contract might be worse than Redden’s. I’m undecided on how bad spending $1.65m for a guy with no offense that will play 400 minutes max this year really is.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We haven’t even seen Boogard play for the Rangers yet.. Who knows. Boogard could explode and be the Steve Downie of the 2010-11 season. But thats a longshot and wishful thinking for a Ranger fan.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be happy if Booger scores his 1st goal in 5 years.
If he’s Downie, I…I’m not sure how ridiculous a non-binding statement I can make of what I’d do.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta give you guys something to think positively to think about. lol
Just ask Hawk fans what they did when Eager scored that playoff goal. Or how Mike Rupp scored a hat trick against you guys. I still can’t believe that.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 25, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wild were 8-1 last year when Booger fought. There’s a silver lining. Or something. (they were 21-19-1 before last year)
There are reasons to be positive..just not for the 2010-2011 season, IMO.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 25, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the positive for the Rangers is the potential breakouts of a handful of players that havent shown what they can do yet (Krieder, Stepan, Grachev, Anisimov, McDonagh)
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In order to justify giving an enforcer $1.65 million he would have to get into 50 fights a season and basically be Brock Lesnar on skates.
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by slackdog_rm on Jul 25, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Campbell’s not even the worst on his own team (Huet anyone?)
Huet only has two years at $5.625 million left. A whopper of a price tag for a backup, but his term and money isn’t much worse than Rolston, Souray, et al. The ‘Hawks can move him if necessary, or they could simply bury him in the AHL. It isn’t like Tim Thomas, who has a similar contract but also that pesky 35+ rule.
I still believe Campbell has the worst contract in the league, unless you want to submit another candidate.
Well maybe that’s a disconnect in my argument…I’m more looking at performance versus the dollars paid. Redden and Huet give you close to zero return this year.
I think you’re looking at the “movability” of the contract. In that case I wouldn’t argue anything you’ve said, Campbell’s got one shitty deal.
Still, you have to wonder why a team with cap space (cough cough Isles cough cough) isn’t telling Chicago, “we’ll take Campbell, but you have to give us 2 firsts and a prospect too”. Not sure what they give back (something, not nothing), but finding a taker for Campbell alone should be enough to make Chicago say “I guess we have to”
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh..didn’t even notice the NTC for Campbell. Jesus.
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by George E. Ays on Jul 26, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The concept of paying the Islanders (or Colorado, or Atlanta, all of whom I believe are at or below the salary floor) to take Campbell is certainly viable, unless the player makes it clear he will not consent to such a move and can use a no-trade to block it.
In the specific case of the Islanders, I don’t see why they’d be interested in Campbell unless they were getting paid really well. In our discussions here at ILWT around the topic — we’ve been looking at where we might dump Salvador and Zubrus for a while to make room for Kovalchuk’s deal — the consensus seems to be that the Islanders are relatively deep on defense and probably don’t need to bring in anyone on the blue line. I think they might do so only if it were an offensively-minded guy to take some of the load off of Mark Streit, but otherwise I think they’re alright there.
Colorado might be more of a possibility, if the price were right. We had an Avs fan drop in and make mention that their blue line doesn’t have much “beef” to it, so a physical guy like Campbell might fit the bill.
What about Rick DiPietro. While he is under 35 and their is no ntc, nmc it has 11 more years with a 4.5 million cap hit and it seems like he may never play consistantly agian. (That being said it is also possible for him to recover.) Even if you move him to your injury reserve list the Islanders are already a team with limited funds. (I believe they have internal cap in place) and thats a lot of money for a long team and it’s Added to Yashin buyout costs.
by Dylan Sudek on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Shawn Horcoff, although Brian Campbell comes close.
5 years remaining on a Cap Hit of $5.5M.
Full NMC for 3 years, NTC for 1 year, and a reprieve the final year.
He put up 36 points last season.
Yikes.
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Looks like a player who got fat and happy after signing a big contract before last season. I’ll concede that his contract is pretty awful, although I still think Campbell’s is worse when you combine term, cap hit, and distribution of money.
I wonder…. if the League wins a grievance in the Kovy issue and throws out that contract (and perhaps a couple of other front-loaded ones), does Horcoff’s deal get thrown up as an example of cap circumvention for the same reason?
And you may be right about Brian Campbell, who in the blue hell decided Brian Campbell was the Most Valuable Defenseman in the League (related to his Cap Hit) for the next 8 years?!?!
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A lot of GMs went crazy that summer, especially over defensemen on the UFA market. Campbell was the top option, and he got 8 years and roughly $57 million for his services. RangerSmurf can lament about the great Glen Sather dishing out $39 million to Redden and $20 million to Roszival the same summer. As for us Devils’ fans, that was the summer of Brian Rolston. Chicago also gave Cristobal Huet his money that summer, seeing him as their future #1 even though Khabibulin had a year left on his deal (and beat Huet out for the #1 job anyhow).
Needless to say, those kinds of years and dollars have not beenlavished on as many players after that. Outside of Kovy, did anyone see a real monster of a deal given out on this year’s market?
Chicago saw themselves as a team on the rise that summer, needing a few more pieces to make the jump to the elite — the number 1 D-Man (Campbell) and a bonafide #1 goalie (Huet, even though Montreal had dumped him on Washington in order to play a rookie that year while in the midst of the playoff chase). They didn’t anticipate that Campbell was overrated and overpaid, or that their defensive prospects (Keith, Seabrook, et al) were ready to step up and be players. They thought Huet was better, although he was beaten out first by Khabibulin and then by Niemi. Combine that with the Hossa signing before last season, a foul-up with RFAs that obliged them to overpay to keep some players off the market, and then the need to give monster extensions to Keith, Toews, and Kane…. and you have the genesis of how the Blackhawks got into their salary cap nightmare.
It serves as a cautionary tale about using free agency to build your team. If you don’t leave money to re-sign your own rising stars, you get into a jam. If you try and use free agency to do the major building on your team, you risk bringing in players who don’t fit the system, or who are beaten out by “low budget” kids from the Minors. Niemi and Huet makes for a good example, as does Tim Thomas and Tuuka Rask in Boston. (Alas for the Bruins, Thomas’ contract falls under the 35+ rule, so it is harder to deal with him. Chicago can bury Huet in the Minors if necessary.)
I think the Devils and Pens fan confidence is pretty reasonable. Both teams have made moves this off-season to get better. The Pens seem to have holes offensively but with centers like Crosby, Malkin, and Staal you don’t really need all star wings.
I can also understand the Rags fans lack of confidence because they haven’t improved at all this offseason. The Flyers fans seem to be a little harsh on themselves. They’ve kept the majority of their Finals team together. They improved on defense and have stayed pretty much the same on offense. I really don’t think losing Gagne will effect them that much next season.
I guess it’s nice that the Isles fans are hopeful. Their team seems to be banking on their young players improving next season. They did make moves to improve the defense which is good. I think they are on the right track.
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I think the Islanders confidence is partly because they see that the disasterous management of Mike Milbury is behind them.
Now they have a great core young players as previously mentioned and a large amount of cap room to add in a couple FAs.
Although with uncertantly on Rick DiPietro’s future (who has a cap hit of $4,500,000 for the next 11 years) and making the playoffs still a streach the islander fans are still a bit overconfident.
I would have to agree though that for a franchise who has not had success in 25 years (except for maybe miracle of 1993) brighter days are ahead and Islander fans should have some confidence.
Pittsburgh is going to be more of a 1-2 line team next year rather than rolling four lines. If the Malkin to wing experiment works out for him, then you’re talking about a Malkin-Crosby line, and no matter who plays RW (assuming Malkin plays LW, it doesn’t matter), that will be a top-5 line in the league (unless you somehow throw Andrew Peters with them). Defensively, they are deeper. Gonchar was the power play quarterback, and Martin and Michalek will never replace him there, but they are gaining quantity for sure. I guess a lot depends on Fleury. He was not consistent last year and well, it cost them in the playoffs.
I would say, considering how thin they are at wingers, they are around where they were last year, maybe they crack 100 points in 2010-11.
The Islanders are another year older, and they made perhaps the biggest free agent splash, signing…Zenon Konopka. The Isles made a huge statement there: they needed penalty minutes (unless they pay Konopka $10M to reach the salary floor). I don’t see them making the playoffs, but maybe they inch closer to .500 this season, that would be an improvement for them.
The Rangers are talking with Frolov right now, and depending on who you believe, he may be signed very soon. Other than that and adding a legitimate backup to Lundqvist, the Rangers are a similar team again this year, and I really can’t find a reason to believe that they will be much of a threat in the East, but then again, as Philly showed us all, all you have to do is get in the show some April…with that said, the Rangers are just hoping Redden and Roszival have miracle seasons.
Philly lost Gagne, did not sign Hamhuis and added Matt Walker on defense. They have failed to sign a goalie so far, with Nabokov snubbing them for the KHL. With that said, last year’s Flyers should have been better in the regular season, but they were a mess for the first three quarters of the season or so, changing coaches and having so many goalie injuries that their ECHL team used forwards to play between the pipes (not really in case anyone is wondering…). I would venture a guess that Philly will have a better regular season than last year, maybe not considerably better, but more consistent.
Then there’s the Devils. The Devils wasted no time this off-season, stealing Jason Arnott for practically nothing from Nashville, signing Volchenkov and Tallinder on the first day of free agency, not to mention a better backup than we’re used to in Hedberg (also considered a tremendous teammate). Assuming the Devils sign Kovalchuk officially one way or the other, this year’s Devils look like a very deep offensive lineup with a prescence on the blue line in A-Train and a lot more solid. The Devils will likely be younger, yet more physical and the coaching change means a more up-tempo style. For the record, this is the fifth coaching change in the Atlantic Division since the Islanders hired Scott Gordon, and yes, as MSG likes to remind us, Scott is the longest tenured coach in the division…
Yankees in baseball, Giants in football and Devils in hockey. It's that simple. I have no off-season.
Now wait....
Pittsburgh has 2 great centers and 2 underated centers in Staal and Kennedy. The Pens have Kunitz, Jeffrey, Tangradi, Cooke, and other wingers going into the season. They upgraded their defense with Martin, Michalek, and Potter. They lost Gonchar though. Theres no doubt the Pens will atleast get 95+ points unless Fleury gets injured or Crosby and Malkin are subpar.
The Islanders have had an ok off-season. They had an excellent draft, drafting Nino, Nelson, and Kabonov. They upgraded on defense with Jurcina and Eaton. They added grit and toughness with Konopka. They signed Parenteau who can fill in a roster spot if an injury happens or he makes the team out if camp. They could get a healthy DiPietro back this season. They have a TON of cap space. So they could take on some heavy salary and still have room for more contracts. I think the Islanders won’t make the playoffs this year but if they can add a Markov or Kaberle in the off-season next year in which they can, the Islanders can certainly get into the playoffs.
Ahh the Rangers… Well they are about to sign Frolov for a year. They signed Biron which is an upgrade from Auld. If they get the Philly Biron then its a win. If they get the Islander Biron then it won’t be good for Ranger fans. If they can somehow unload Redden’s and Rozival’s contract then it would be a BIG off-season win for the Rangers. Boogard is an eye opener but we don’t know how that will turn out. I think Sather laid low this off-season because he is trying to get the youth up. I didn’t expect much from them though.
Your view on Philly is kind of wrong. You only say the bad stuff about their off-season but don’t say anything good about their off-season. They added Mesaros for draft pick. They added O’Donnell and Walker. They took a gamble on Zherdev but it’s only 1 year and maybe they can straighten out his work ethic problems. Yeah they lost Gagne but they needed to unload cap space. Matt Walker is an ok defenseman. Yeah they didn’t add a goaltender but Turco is still out there along with Theodore. But they can just go with Leighton and Boucher.
The Devils. I’ll just add on what you missed. We lost our PP puck moving defenseman in Martin to a divison rival. We traded another prospect for a year of Arnott. I mean thats it. I love Volchenkov and Tallinder. Hedberg is really going to solidify that backup goalie spot. Were likely going to add Kovalchuk, But then we are going to have to trade a roster player like Zubrus, Rolston, or Salvador.
" I don't go to work.... I go to a game" - Bob Sheppard RIP
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