NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly Provides Some Clarification on the New "Line in the Sand"
Three days ago, I read the ruling made by arbitrator Richard Bloch to understand his reasoning and it left me with one very important question: What are the limits for future standard player contracts (SPCs); what is the "line in the sand?" We know that a combination of aspects of the now-rejected contract between the New Jersey Devils and Ilya Kovalchuk were unacceptable; but that doesn't clearly state exactly what's wrong. Especially considering that other front-loaded contracts are under NHL investigation and Bloch even called them out in his ruling. At the time, I concluded that it could very well be whatever the NHL says is acceptable. Comments ensued, but ultimately, no real answer came about.
The next day, an important clue came about what that "line" could be. According to Damien Cristodero at TampaBay.com, the NHL had "no issue" with Vincent Lecavalier's contract extension. (Hat-tip: Puck Daddy) A deal, spelled out here at CapGeek, that guaranteed Lecavalier 97% of the total amount of the contract in the first 8 years ($82.5 million) and only $2.5 million total in the final 2 years; a deal that takes him to age 40 but can retire and have the cap hit removed off the books at any point; and has a no movement clause all the way through. This deal was acceptable. Kovalchuk's was not. However, it's still a mystery as to what will and will not be allowed going forward. The answer is likely somewhere in the middle.
Enter Bill Daly. Thanks to Steve Lepore, who interviewed him at Puck the Media earlier this month on media matters that I think you should read, I was able to get in contact with the NHL deputy commissioner and chief legal officer. For all intents and purposes, Daly is the #2 man in the NHL, right behind Gary Bettman. If anyone knows what's going on about this issue, it's him. So I decided to ask Daly about it in the hopes of some clarification; just two questions to clear up the issue. I'd like to thank Mr. Daly for taking time out of his day to answer my questions and for his agreement to let me post this up. My correspondence with him follows after the jump.
The following was exchanged via email earlier today:
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John Fischer: I've read and understand the reasoning of Richard Bloch's ruling that sustained the NHL's rejection of the New Jersey Devils' contract with Ilya Kovalchuk. However, between the ruling (p.15-16 in particular) and the broad view of Article 26.3, it is ambiguous as to what the "line in the sand" is now for future SPCs. What would cause a contract to be unacceptable in the league's view going forward?
I know it was reported two days ago that the league has no issue with Vincent Lecavalier's contract; so the "line" could be somewhere in between the parameters of both SPCs. However, I'd like your or the league's opinion on this issue.
Bill Daly: While we do look (and have looked) at each contract individually, your suggested approach is the right one. There are a number of "guideposts" already out there from which Clubs can guide their conduct. No one factor is determinative, but all are important. How long is the contract, what is the player's age at the time of the contract's "expiration", what is the value of the contract in its "back-end" and how does that compare to its "front-end" and its resulting AAV, what are the other relevant structural elements of the contract? All are relevant questions. And while this may sound subjective and ambiguous, its really not that much so. The Clubs are all very familiar with these considerations and know where we draw the line. Hope that helps.
(Disclosure: I asked a follow-up here but it wasn't really answered - only that I can put this up, so I re-stated it here.)
John Fischer: Excellent, thank you. Before I put anything up; I just want to make sure I have this right: There won't be any public statement of what the limits are; but all the clubs know what they are. Moreover, they consult the league if there is a concern in advance of offering or registering a SPC. Is this correct, or is there something wrong or missing?
Bill Daly: Yes, with one caveat. At this point I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we may further discuss with the Union to see if "bright lines" can be established. Absent those "bright lines," it will be on a case-by-case, with existing guideposts established, the GMs understanding our concerns and sensitivities, and always with the ability of the Clubs to reach out to us to dicuss [sic].
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Again, I would like to thank Bill Daly for taking the time to even answer my questions, much less put them here.
It may seem like he didn't really answer the question, but at the same time, I feel Daly clarified quite a bit. First off, and most important, he did state that the clubs (all 30 teams in the NHL) now know what is and isn't acceptable. I do wish the guidelines were public; but I'm not terribly unhappy about this. To me, it's re-assuring. I can understand why the information may not be public; there's no reason for you and I to know what the parameters are since we're not signing players. But the teams are the ones who need to know what the limits are, and they do know what they are now per Bill Daly. Plus, the parameters the league reviews and has reviewed are varied. Without specific, explicit limits in the CBA, they really can't be much more than just guidelines. Especially since Bloch's ruling was based on a combination of parameters leading to his conclusion of intent of circumvention; singling out one or two may not be feasible at this juncture.
Second, Daly did state that they could address the issue with the NHLPA to actually establish these guidelines to print. I personally would love to see this happen. Everyone would be on the same page until the next CBA, if nothing else.
Did he provide a definitive answer? No. But at least we know more than what was stated, and the NHL hasn't ruled out working with the NHLPA, which could cool the initial concerns surrounding it going forward.
Are you pleased with Daly's answers? What follow up questions would you ask Daly? Isn't it great that the #2 man in the NHL is willing to answer questions just by email? Let me know what you think about this in the comments. Thanks for reading.
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Quite a scoop John
Clearly you have established your credibility with this site! Very exciting.
Well, it’s definitely helpful, but I guess I don’t understand what the hangup is on making this public. As fans, we are still pretty well in the dark in terms of figuring out what the Devils might need to do to get Kovalchuk back. At least I am.
Would you venture a guess as to what the closest we could get to the existing contract is while still passing the test? Would it be as simple as taking off say a year or two and adding the NMC in? Maybe Kovy does not have as much bargaining power as he thought, but I think he still is very interested in the $100 million number.
Regarding the bright lines comment, there is no way in my view this is happening since the NHLPA is clearly not in an organized enough state right now to be able to sign off on that.
Again, great job. Boy I wish we would just know one way or another if this is going to get done.
by Devilssection21fan on Aug 13, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Good work John
Nice to have established contacts. I am not surprised by Mr Daly’s candor. I have met him on two occassions at the NHL Store and both times, Mr Daly was forward and pleasant, actually coming to me to shake my hand. I certainly do not have any clout, but he recognized that I recognized him, and he made the situation easier on me (I was actually nervous upon realizing it was him).
All that being said, I think the most enlightening (and pleasing) aspect of his response was
the GMs understanding our concerns and sensitivities, and always with the ability of the Clubs to reach out to us to dicuss [sic].That sounds to me, as though the Devils can bring a contract to the NHL to pour over and ask, does this meet the standard, before issuing it to Kovalchuk’s team. I think this will help immensely.
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello
That's my opinion as well.
If Lou is able to do this, then there’s no worry that the next restructured deal MAY be rejected……
Just get it done so we can finally end this debacle.
Lou (and everyone else in the league is able to do this)
John Fischer: Excellent, thank you. Before I put anything up; I just want to make sure I have this right: There won’t be any public statement of what the limits are; but all the clubs know what they are. Moreover, they consult the league if there is a concern in advance of offering or registering a SPC. Is this correct, or is there something wrong or missing?
Bill Daly: Yes, with one caveat. At this point I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that we may further discuss with the Union to see if “bright lines” can be established. Absent those “bright lines,” it will be on a case-by-case, with existing guideposts established, the GMs understanding our concerns and sensitivities, and always with the ability of the Clubs to reach out to us to dicuss [sic].
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by John Fischer on Aug 14, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Great work, John, it seems like he has clarified quite a bit.
This has me worried, though, if he’s being truthful. It should not take this long to work out a new deal that complies with the guidelines that the league supposedly has. I think the chances of the Devils keeping Kovalchuk go down incrementally with each passing day that he doesn’t re-up. There’s not going to be any more $100 million offers.
Has he returned from Russia yet? If not, that could be holding things up a bit.
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I think you nailed why this is taking so long. Grossman, Kovalchuk, and the Devils all agreed upon a deal that was rejected by the NHL. Ideally, the parties involved would like a similar deal that could be constructed in an acceptable way for the NHL. Coming up with that along with making everyone happy again is a challenge and will take time. In short, they’re back to square one and it did take close to 3 weeks for the Devils to actually re-sign Kovalchuk to begin with.
Not to mention that Lou also has to concurrently figure out how to dump salary ahead of this since there are other teams who have to do the same this summer too.
Truth be told, I don’t know how involved Kovalchuk is in contract negotiations anyway. If he’s not and all he has to do is say “yes” or “no,” then it may be moot as to whether he’s in Russia or Hoboken.
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by John Fischer on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Great interview, John!
I was surprised anyone was able to get an interview out of Daly on this! It sucks that Lou and the Devils had to be the contract that the NHL came down on, and I’m still aggravated that the league isn’t going to punish most of the other contracts that are pretty much the same, but it’s nice to know that Daly was willing to admit that it took all the elements of the contract in full to find it illegal.
I don’t agree, but at least Daly didn’t clam up and refuse to comment.
"Quite a scoop" Indeed.
I had to read it twice, but as soon as I realized you had essentially interviewed one of the few people who could explain this best I was very eager to read the writing after the jump.
Anyway,
No one factor is determinative, but all are important. How long is the contract, what is the player’s age at the time of the contract’s “expiration”, what is the value of the contract in its “back-end” and how does that compare to its “front-end” and its resulting AAV, what are the other relevant structural elements of the contract?
This is what angers/confuses Devil’s fans (And perhaps other teams and their fans whose contracts may be re-opened soon). The Team’s cap hit should be the player’s salary that year, and there will be no problems like this one.
Go Devils!
Numbers don't lie, Martin Brodeur
I agree that a lack of specifics is frustrating, but given the breadth of what a contract could be, it’s not simple to come up with a hard and fast rule on certain provisions to prevent intent to circumvent without throwing other deals under the bus, without consulting the union, etc. Besides, since he did say that the teams now know what is and isn’t allowed, and ultimately that’s important.
Don’t mistake me, I think it would be great if it was transparent so we all know what’s involved and we can discuss contracts more legitimately; but at the end of the day, you and I aren’t signing players and the NHL really only has a responsibility to let the clubs know what the guidelines are.
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by John Fischer on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Well said John. Excellent work with Mr. Daly as well. Except….
…. that I think it is in everyone’s best interest to define those “broad lines” (as Daly put it) and make it public knowledge. There are too many people out there, from idiot reporters to idiiot bloggers to idiot random fans (such as myself) who are sitting around, trying to figure out what a revised Kovalchuk contract will look like, or who might get the next similar deal and how it might be structured to get around the rather nebulous rules. Some of them just become board posts here, but some of them become professional “rumours” and establish a life of their own as if in a huge game of “Telephone”. However, if everyone knows where the bounds are, that will put a stop to much of this silliness. There’s enough misinformation — whether accidental or deliberate — out there, and this would be a way to help clear the fog of war.
Would Devils even be able to consider Kovy if that were case?
If the Devils had to take a $10+ million cap hit in any year, which they would under the contract, then I don’t think he would even be in the discussion.
Granted, the contract might have never been designed that way, but Kovy does want some 10 million years in there. The average salary thing is actually what is making this palatable for the Devils
by Devilssection21fan on Aug 14, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
That’s the point of the salary cap, to prevent teams like us that already have an expensive line up from signing a player that wants 10 mil.
Go Devils!
Numbers don't lie, Martin Brodeur
Which I think is wrong in general… but, within this CBA, I feel you are correct sir
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello
Wait, what?
Which I think is wrong in general
The point of the salary cap?
Go Devils!
Numbers don't lie, Martin Brodeur
Maybe he doesn’t like hard salary caps in general. I know I don’t
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by Ed Van Chimp on Aug 15, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its wrong in general that because we (or any other team) have a great lineup already in place, that we cannot add more pieces as long as we stay under the Cap. I think there should be some manipulation within the confines of the Cap. Not as ‘loose’ as a luxury tax, but something should be in place to allow teams to fit in superstars, that’s what the fans need to see to create those Nielsen numbers we all like so much.
I hold on to having a ‘Franchise’ tag for one ‘howegrown’ talent on each team.
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello
How about....
…. a process by which a player under contract and his team can go to arbitration to modify a contract? For example, the Rangers are choking on Wade Redden at $6.5 million per…. but if there was a way to reduce that number in return for a guarantee that he won’t be sent to the Minors, perhaps something could be made to work?
…. implementing Brian Burke’s proposal that teams can retain salary in trades to facilitate more player movement. For example, Sheldon Souray just went unclaimed on waivers from the Oilers…. but perhaps there would be a trade out there for him if Edmonton offered to eat half his contract in terms of a cap hit (but not necessarily any dollars, similar to re-entry waivers)?
I like the thought of being able to renegotiate, much like arbitration rights, I would hope that it would only be once per career. But, arbitration worries me in that both sides end up getting hurt it seems. Perhaps arbitration can be seperated as to which one side presents a case, then, at a different time altogether, the other side presents their case. Hopefully they can resolve beforehand, leave a window of a week or so to renegotiate on good faith.
The 2nd idea of paying parts of salaries I believe puts us in danger of the larger market team having the marquee players and ‘manipulating’ the Cap. I think we would have to extrapolate further on it to make sure no one took advantage of that. Perhaps no more than a certain number of players on ‘re-entry’ trades, or a monetary Cap for those players. I dont know, but a safeguard seems necessary.
But I like these thoughts.
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello

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