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The New Jersey Devils & Adjusted Corsi: Where Colin White Does (A Lot of) Work

Back in May, I wrote extensively about the free agents the New Jersey Devils could sign, how Paul Martin (example) and Ilya Kovalchuk (example) in particular compared to those other unrestricted free agents.   I utilized a number of advanced statistics from Behind the Net to explain my own reasoning on what the Devils should do and what players were more desirable than others.   One of those stats was adjusted Corsi, or a player's Corsi value modified by their net zone starts. 

As a quick aside, I'd like to thank Derek Zona for explaining the formulation to me, and incidentially, he's got a post on how last season's Edmonton Oilers look by those stats up at Copper & Blue.    I'm doing something similar here for the 2009-10 New Jersey Devils as well as the newcomers to next season's team.

Before continuing, let me explain a few terms.  Corsi is a counting stat for being on the ice when a shot is attempted (either on net, blocked, or missed).  If you're on the ice when your team attempts a shot, that's +1 Corsi; if you're on the ice when the other team attempts a shot, that's -1 Corsi.   It's generally used for skaters as a measure of puck possession and control, since teams usually attempt shots when they force their opposition back into their own zone.  At even strength, 5-on-5 play, this value is telling of who's really having a positive impact for their team.  Zone starts note where a player has started their shift; and per the mathematical work of JLikens, zone start definitely influences a player's Corsi (easier to get it if you start on offense) and so he has come up with a correction factor of 0.8 at even strength.    A good resource that records both Corsi rates and zone start counts is Behind the Net, so I have used that to come up with the following chart.

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A few quick notes:

1) Yes, some of the numbers are a bit different from my original posts on Kovalchuk, Martin, etc.  It appears some of the Corsi On and TOI/60 numbers were modified a bit, so they're not exact matches.  They haven't changed so much that it should affect

2) The players highlighted in gray are players who are no longer with the team or remain unsigned.  I made two exceptions. I didn't include Martin Skoula since he was traded to the Devils and only played a part of the season with the team.  I included Ilya Kovalchuk in the "newly acquired" section since he was once signed here; and instead of the original list for the same reasons as Skoula.  Should he be re-signed a second time, then his numbers are there.

Now moving on to the numbers themselves; the zone start numbers are especially instructive.  Notice that most of the entire roster last season have a negative zone start differential.  When coming up with the zone start count to adjust Corsi, neutral zone faceoffs aren't factored in.  Only defensive zone starts and offensive zone starts do; and apparently, most of the team made a point of attacking last season.   Therefore, the adjusted Corsi rates for the New Jersey Devils were often lower than their base rates.  

It's easy to look at a high negative differential like Andy Greene and conclude that Jacques Lemaire was "protecting him" by putting him on farther away from his own zone more often than not.  In this case, I think context is in order.  Greene played a lot at even strength, and he was utilized on more than 600 starts.  To me, Lemaire put him out so much more for offensive zone starts probably because he was the best offensive defenseman on the roster when Paul Martin was injured.   When you're able to start in the opposition's zone, you'd want to put offensive players when you can; hence, Greene, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, etc. were starting there more than in their own end.

 

It would be more fair to say that players like Mark Fraser, Anssi Salmela, Andrew Peters, Ilkka Pikkarainen, Rod Pelley, etc. were "protected" by having more starts in their own end. They didn't get nearly as many minutes, their quality of competition were low, and they were often on the bottom six or the third pairing.   Lemaire wanted to avoid putting them in bad positions and bad match-ups; and that's understandable.  I'd even include Vladimir Zharkov in this group since he was also often on the bottom two lines.  That said, his adjusted Corsi was still massive (and leads the team).  It cannot be denied even if he was "protected" to some degree.

Defensive-minded players will likely be used in their own end. Here's where Colin White really shined  last season.  He started in his own end a ridiculous amount of times last season.    Only a handful of defensemen in the entire NHL had a smaller proportion of offensive zone starts and had more defensive zone starts last season: Greg Zanon, Barrett Jackman, Roman Polak.  Lemaire loved to use the Mottau-White pairing for starts in New Jersey's end and as tough as it was, they came up out fairly well.  White will never be confused with a two-way defenseman or any kind of offensive defenseman, so falling just below 0 on base Corsi rates is quite impressive while having more work to do to get the puck up-ice.   In other words, it was harder for White than most of the rest of the team to generate Corsi regardless of his skillset; and he wasn't awful at it like Rob Niedermayer, Andrew Peters, or Ilkka Pikkarainen.

Of course, Mottau also looks better by this measure; but he's not signed so he's not in the headline.  Why he's not getting contract offers is beyond me.  I understand he's in his mid-30s and he's not particularly impressive; but he'd do quite well as a bargain #4 / #5 defenseman for a team.  Should someone get hurt, he can fill in for big minutes for a few games.  Since the Devils added Henrik Tallinder and Anton Volchenkov, though, there's no need to bring back Mottau here.   Given their own adjusted Corsi and that they are used to taking more defensive zone starts, I think they'll be fine by that measure.  If anything, they may give White a break from being the go-to guy for defensive zone starts in 2010-11.

Going back to the incoming players list; I would like to re-iterate that it's OK to get excited for Jason Arnott.  Arnott was used evenly between both zones, so his very solid Corsi rate of 7.4 remained the same in Nashville.  Kovalchuk is more interesting because he was put out there for over 300 defensive zone starts.  Behind the Net uses a player's whole season, there is no breakdown between teams; but given that he played most of last season as a Thrasher, Atlanta decided it was smart to put their sniper in their own zone often.   I don't understand that, to be honest, and I hope John MacLean doesn't follow suit in 2010-11 should Kovalchuk get re-signed here.

Now, adjusted Corsi isn't an end-all, be-all stat.  All it does is account for a player's Corsi given where they started their shifts.  It provides additional context to Corsi and to a player's performance, as it does for White.  He had a relatively tougher job than all of the other defensemen in this regard.  However, looking at the zone starts and Corsi itself still requires context to fully understand; as can be seen with Greene and Parise seeing big drops in their adjusted Corsi but it's not a result of Lemaire wanting to protect them as you could say for Peters, Pelley, Leblond, and so forth. 

Nevertheless, the New Jersey Devils didn't have to do as much work as the Oilers to attempt shots, and as a result, most of the team's Corsi adjustments are negative.  That speaks to the talent of the team and Jacques Lemaire's in-game management, in my opinion.   Please let me know your thoughts about these findings in the comments, and thank you for reading.

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It would be interesting to know where other defensemen making $3M +/- 10% fall in adjusted corsi and DZ-OZ too I guess. Perhaps Colin isn’t so far overpaid as some might think.

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by FrankG929 on Aug 14, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t accept that Colin White is still of any use to the Devils, or has been for years. For a long time I used to go see the Devils every year (living in California, seeing Kings/Ducks vs. NJ). Every single game I went to from 2001-2007, Colin White screwed up and cost NJ a goal against. Whether it was getting caught out of position and getting skated around, or standing in “no man’s land” screening Brodeur without pressuring the opponent, he was always messing up.

Even my mother, who knows very little about hockey, couldn’t understand why Colin White was paid to play this game. He needs to be replaced by any of the numerous youngsters trying to make the Devils roster. They’d also be cheaper, and that’s a big deal right now.

by njdss4 on Aug 15, 2010 4:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Learn to accept it. The numbers don’t lie.

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by elesias on Aug 15, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they do

All my personal experience points to him being an awful defenseman getting way overpaid. I will never accept otherwise. BTW, if you read Brodeur’s book you’ll notice that one of the key goals that led to Colorado coming back to beat NJ in the 2001 Finals was White’s fault. Even Marty said it. His history of bringing the team down goes back to the beginning of his career.

by njdss4 on Aug 16, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

One mistake (from 2001)and you’re scarred for life?

Talk about confirmation bias.

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by John Fischer on Aug 16, 2010 7:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In all fairness, I saw the movie Jaws in the late ’70s and am still scared to swim in the ocean.

But at least I’m willing to admit my perspective is irrational.

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by elesias on Aug 16, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, they don’t.

People can misuse numbers to mislead or otherwise attempt to skew someone’s perspective, but the numbers themselves are a far better measure of a player’s performance than memory and emotionally charged interpretations by themselves.

To say that you have an opinion and nothing will ever change your mind suggests closed-mindedness bordering on deliberate ignorance… neither of which will earn you much but ridicule and a quick dismissal around here.

If you doubt the sources or proper perspective of the numbers presented here and in other places that show that White is actually a pretty effective defenseman, look them up yourself… and if you’re going to dispute their validity you’re going to need more than “my personal experience” and a paraphrased excerpt from an autobiography.

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by elesias on Aug 16, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stashing Colin White in Albany is certainly one way the Devils could make cap space, but I don’t advocate doing so unless there is literally no other option — I find the practice of putting players who would otherwise be in the NHL save for the money at the AHL level abhorrent, and I worry that the teams who do it will have greater problems signing free agents down the line. How a franchise treats its players says a lot about how they are run and the professionalism of the club, and that’s always been a selling point the Devils have used for free agents and trade acquisitions alike.

I respect the numbers, even if trying to wrap my mind around them hurts at times. I also think he got put in a lot of bad spots trying to cover for Mike Mottau last year…. and both of them got asked to do significantly more than they might otherwise have done (or really been capable of on a regular basis) because of the injuries to Martin and Oduya. Colin White is a steady #4/#5 defenseman at this point, and I’d rather have him there than a rookie who might feel the urge to make himself “known” (whether on offense or by trying for a big hit) to keep his roster spot. White isn’t spectacular, but he’s steady and he won’t embarass himself or the team.

Finally, consider what Colin White’s role on this club likely will be next year. I surmise he will be on the third defense pairing (Volchenkov-Greene and Tallinder-Urbom/Corrente/Eckford make sense as the first two pairings) playing a stay-at-home role for Anssi Salmela (when healthy), contributing on the penalty kill, and providing the steady, quiet leadership he has for several years (he doesn’t get to wear the “A” by accident, or asked to wear the “C” when Langenbrunner is out of the lineup for no reason). Would it be nice if he didn’t have two years at a cap hit of $3 million left and a full NTC? Sure it would…. but that’s the reality we’re living with. Considering his injury history and the comparables that went on the free agent market July 1st, he’d be hard enough to deal without the NTC…. and there are more fruitful pursuits for Lou to undertake.

by acasser on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

colin white has an NMC, not an NTC. that’s item one. item two is that colin white is far better than a #5 defenseman, and is certainly better than urbom, corrente, or eckford – did you look at these numbers? do you really think that a rookie defenseman is going to have that kind of corsi going up against top NHL competition? not to mention that i think he would definitely get taken on waivers were we to waive him.

by Triumph44 on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colin White does not have, by any source I can find, a No Movement Clause. Where did you get that?

I’m prone to agree that he is better than a 3rd pairing defenseman. I think he’s perfectly capable on the 2nd pairing and could fill in on the top pairing in a pinch.

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by elesias on Aug 16, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

We just dont want him playing 24 minutes, or with Mike Mottau, hehe. If he plays 18-20 minutes, as a 2nd pairing defenseman, Im a happy camper.

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by Skuba7 on Aug 16, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was pretty sure he had a no-move, and i’m pretty sure i can find confirmation of that ‘fact’ on njdevs. capgeek keeps changing who has a no-trade and who has a no-move, e.g. bryce salvador was listed as having a no-trade in early july. , now that’s gone.

by Triumph44 on Aug 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

your correct it is not a nmc it is indeed a ntc.

by KingHellfire on Aug 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s funny to me how much devils fans kill colin white and mike mottau and how much context affects what they see. people think that colin white had a bad season last year. people think mike mottau doesn’t belong in the league. it amazes me. likewise people think that mark fraser is good, when he clearly is not.

wrt zharkov – i am impressed by his territorial play, but there are two caveats – A: his strength of competition, which was undoubtedly weak, and B: his average shot distance was exceptionally long, according to behindthenet. thus while corsi is supposed to measure territorial play, when someone’s shooting from outside the circles a lot and going up against weak competition, it’s not exactly going to tell the whole story. i still think zharkov should be on the 3rd line next season as well as the penalty kill, he has excellent instincts for the puck.

anyway this is great work, i considered doing it myself but i am lazy.

by Triumph44 on Aug 15, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

also re: kovalchuk’s ZS – atlanta is a negative corsi team, so 50% zone start is actually somewhat high for them.

by Triumph44 on Aug 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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