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Colin White is a Pretty Good #3 Defensive Defenseman: An Analysis

It's time to take a closer look at the big man from New Glasgow, Nova Scotia: Colin White  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

I feel bad for defensive players in general.  Goaltenders can pull off outstanding and important saves that catch everyone's eye.  Offensive players can set up scoring chances, create chances of their own, and, of course, score goals that gets everyone's attention in the arena.  Energy guys and goons are fan favorites for being physical. Defensive players often get the short end of the stick since their main job is to prevent opportunities from happening, to get "stops" on the opposition, and often times that's all about being in the right position and being patient rather than throwing an impressive hit or stealing the puck away.

Basically, if no one notices that you made a mistake, then some may see you as "invisible" in the game in spite of the work you put in.  If you make a mistake, then some people will remember you as the Guy Who Makes Mistakes and will want you dumped as soon as possible.    It goes double for defensemen since they're generally not going to be getting forward and taking part on offense regularly; there's a reason why they are defensive defensemen.  At least Jay Pandolfo can rush up ice and make people falsely believe he can make something happen on a counter-attack.

This leads me to Colin White.  He's been a New Jersey Devil for his entire career; but I get the sense that he's persona non grata among some Devils fans.   Sure, no one will ever confuse him for being a point machine, but he's been a steady defenseman in the past decade.  Yet, you make one point about something positive about White and immediately someone's got to bring up how he's not good anymore.

Well, let's look at the past 3 seasons then.  Let's see how White measures up within his own team and the league in those three seasons, see where he rates.   Instead of relying on confirmation bias like "Oh, I always see him making errors," let's see whether the opposition is pounding the Devils whenever he's on the ice. Let's see what level of competition White has seen.   I can only do the last 3 seasons since that's what Behind the Net has, but it's a lot better than sticking to stupid.

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What is Colin White's Role?

Before jumping into his performance, let's establish what role he was on the team.  Here's White's average time on ice and even strength time on ice for the last three seasons, along with his rank on the team (which is in parentheses) from NHL.com.  I've also added his quality of competition (with team rankings) and net zone starts (defensive starts minus offensive starts, and without team rankings) at 5-on-5 hockey from Behind the Net. This will provide context to the minutes White's played.

Colin White ES TOI Avg. TOI 5-on-5 Qual Comp Net Zone Starts
07-08 Season 16:15 (2) 19:40 (3) 0.088 (1) -2
08-09 Season 15:50 (5) 19:01 (4) 0.028 (t-2) 24
09-10 Season 17:32 (5) 20:04 (5) 0.036 (1) 118

 

Incidentally, for the ice time rankings, I've ignored players who joined the Devils late in the season: Bryce Salvador in 2007-08, Niclas Havelid in 2008-09. They played so few games that I didn't want their high ice time averages bringing down those who were with the team all season.  Also, in 2009-10, two of the people ahead of White in both ice time categories was Johnny Oduya, who was injured early and then later traded in February, and Paul Martin, who missed a large chunk of the season with an arm injury. 

Speaking of, in 07-08, only Bryce Salvador, he of 8 games with the Devils, had a higher quality of competition, which included his time in St. Louis.  In 08-09, only Paul Martin had a higher quality of competition, and White was tied with Oduya. 

Nevertheless, White's ice time is consistent for a second-pairing defenseman.  It's about 19-20 minutes, he's not leading the team at either even strength or overall (which makes sense as White isn't on a PP unit).  When you consider quality of competition and his zone starts, it's clearer that his job has been difficult.  He has faced strong relative competition among his teammates, and with each passing season, he's been starting far more in his own zone than in the attacking zone (last season was highlighted here).

To me, it's clear that Colin White is a second-pairing defenseman who faces difficult competition, which is consistent with being a defensive defenseman.  And, now, a difficult question:

If White was really affected by the eye injury or if he was regressing as a player, then why would Brent Sutter increase White's defensive zone starts whilst facing strong competition while lessening his time?  Why would Jacques Lemaire then come in and really utilize him as a defensive stopper and increase his ice time?  

Hold on to your answers, for now. Let's see how White stacked up with his performance in each of those seasons.

How Has Colin White Performed?

It's always been a difficult question to properly analyze how someone has done on defense.  Personally, I believe the main job of a defenseman is to prevent the opposition from attacking.   There isn't an end-all, be-all stat for defense (yet), but for now we can utilize on-ice and off-ice stats for shots and goals against.   Behind the Net calculates those values as a per-60 minute rate.   I will be using those for comparison purposes.   I am defining impact on shots against per 60 (SA/60) and goals against per 60 (GA/60) as the difference between off-ice numbers and on-ice numbers, so the higher the number, the better.   I will be using the 5-on-5 situational values since players will play a majority of their game in those situations.

I've also ranked Colin White's values across the league.  Since White's minutes and role has been established, I am comparing him with defensemen who have played a similar amount of ice time.   Therefore, all rankings are among defensemen who have played at least 20 games and had a TOI/60 value of 15 or better.   In 2007-08, 108 defensemen fit that criteria.  In 2008-09, 123 defensemen accomplished both.  In 2009-10, 132 defensemen fit the bill.   If you've done both, chances are that you're one of the top 3 or 4 defensemen on your team; so I think it's fair for White to be compared among his peers.

Here's Colin White's numbers from each season:

Colin White On-Ice SA/60 On-Ice GA/60 SA/60  Impact GA/60 Impact     5-on-5    Qual Comp
07-08 Season 26.6 (t-62) 2.10 (27) -4.5 (106) -0.3 (80) 0.088
08-09 Season 25.0 (19) 2.45 (53) 2.2 (20) -0.51 (103) 0.028
09-10 Season 24.8 (21) 2.32 (t-44) -0.1 (64) -0.42 (108) 0.036

 

I've included the 5-on-5 quality of competition too, but unranked since it's just for context.  So this is how White has stood up in terms of the two key components of a defense: shots against and goals against.   White's has yet to have a good season in terms of on-ice impact on GA/60. That's not so good.  I think that's mitigated by his consistently above average on-ice GA/60, though, as well as the reality that he's faced tough competition in each of these three seasons.   White has had an inconsistent impact on SA/60, going from next-to-next-to-worst to very-good-and-just-behind-Paul-Martin to above-average-and-having-a-slightly-negative-impact.  But again, this inconsistency is mitigated by his solid on-ice SA/60 as well as level of competition.

What is good is that his on-ice SA/60 has fallen from season to season, even though he's started in his own zone more often in each of these three seasons. To me, that's more impressive than his excellent on-ice impact on SA/60 in 2008-09.

Still, the summary is simple: when White steps on the ice, the rate of goals against increased; however, his actual on-ice stats for both shots and goals against rate has remained solidly low relative to most of the rest of the league. I wouldn't say that White is great, I think some of these numbers are influenced by the fact that he comes on after the first pairing (Martin-Oduya, Greene-Salvador) and generally tough situations.   Short of White playing fantastically great all season long, the shots against and goals against are likely to increase for most defensemen. Overall, I would conclude that White has played well relative to his peers, but that's really it.

Without numbers from before the lockout as well as the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons, I can't really compare pre-eye injury White with post-eye injury White.  I don't know how one can solidly conclude whether White was playing better before; that if it never happened, then he'd be even better.  Maybe he would have been, maybe he didn't, but based on the available information, White's definitely not a waste of a roster spot.

Conclusions

Through this closer look at Colin White's performance in the last three seasons, I hope it should be clearer as to what we can reasonably expect and demand from this defenseman.  

He's an 18-20 minute-per-night defenseman because he's been given those kind of minutes in the last 3 seasons. White has not averaged more ice time than the top pairing since he wasn't actually on it.

White has been and will continue to be a defensive defenseman who plays against tough competition and tends to start in his own zone, which makes for even more difficult situations.  This has been justified by his increased proportion of zone starts in his zone from season to season and his relative quality of competition to the rest of his team. Both are in some level of control by the team's head coach, so White's been given this confidence from two different coaches in the last 3 seasons.

Partially because of his talent and partially because of the situations he faced from night-to-night, White did not have a positive impact on goals against per 60 or a consistent impact on shots against per 60, ranging from terrible to exemplary to above-average.   That said, White did enjoy solid on-ice SA/60 and GA/60 values, so even a negative impact didn't lead to White being a sieve among his peers in the league.

Colin White's only hit the 20 point plateau once, in the 2000-01 season. He's not going to develop an offensive game, he's not going to become a solid puck mover like Andy Greene or the now-departed Paul Martin, he's not going to develop a sweet move that will make all the fans go "Oooh" every night, and he's not even a stud defender.  (Aside: He's also not a penalty machine, as I shown last summer, do note he only put up 46 PIM last season.) I feel it is justifiable to say that White is a solid #3 defenseman.  He'll take on the opposition's best players and generally come out well, as he has done in recent seasons.

In the coming season, he may not even face the toughest competition given the arrival of defensive defenseman Anton Volchenkov, but the Devils definitely have someone who can do the job when Volchenkov comes off - also justifiable based on the last 3 seasons.  We can quibble about whether this is all worth $3 million, but the notion that White is a third-pairing defender now or that he should be moved is, to me, silly.  He's good, but not great.  Above-average if you want to be pickier, but he's definitely not dead weight on the ice.

Your Take

Now that you have read my whole take on Colin White, I want to know what you think.  What's your take on Colin White?  Do you think he's doing to the job he's capable of doing?  If you don't agree with the notion that White's not bad, then why do you think White is bad?  Do you even agree with the methodology; did I get something wrong? Please leave all your answers and other Colin White-related thoughts in the comments. Thanks for reading.

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Last year White played more key minutes than expected with Mottau due to injuries to Martin. White and his salary is not going anywhere and he will be ok with the second pair and great with the third pair. He gives us size but needs a better partner to increase his value to the team.

by Old Puck 1 on Aug 17, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the negative opinions toward White (including my own) come from the fact that since his injury, the physical aspect of his game is almost nearly gone. It’s understandable if you’re in his position, but I know for me, if you take the physical part of his game away, he brings no special skill to the table, he’s just competent. I also think he was far better when not paired with Mottau than he was with him. Many times when the two were paired together Mottau would be out of position or not covering very well, leaving White in a bad position. When Lemaire broke that pairing up, I saw the real White come out, and he was a perfectly functioning 2nd/3rd pairing defenseman.

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by thejerseydevil on Aug 17, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, I ignored Mottau completely in this because I wanted this to be about White and not whether Mottau was holding him down. Plus, Mottau suited up next to White for most of these past 3 seasons, so I don’t suspect that Mottau being poor dragged White into the proverbial mud.

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by John Fischer on Aug 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have hit on it exactly. Before the injury we could count on him for a big hit or scrap, and now he just can’t risk it.

I am eager to see him away from Mottau and I intend to watch him closely during home games for glimpses of the old White. It will be interesting to see how the pairings shake out.

As far as the money, he probably is within the appropriate range for what he brings and his seniority in the league and on our team in particular.

He will be pushing 35 when this contract is done and I dont see him playing after that, but I’m sure Lou will keep him in some role with the team.

by pepe22 on Aug 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure Lou will keep him in some role with the team.

Optometrist?

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by elesias on Aug 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cute.

I imagine he’ll probably be offered Tommy Albelin’s role as a roving coach for the defense.

by acasser on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

the NHL’s hit statistic is certainly dubious, but white’s down from around 2 hits a game pre-injury to 1.75 hits a game post-injury. the effect that the eye injury has on his game seems to me way overblown by devils fans.

by Triumph44 on Aug 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the last point you make about Volchenkov’s arrival is key. The guy has been brought in to play against the opposition’s top line as well as bring a physical presence that will make life harder on opposing forwards. Lou intended to make a strong pitch to Volchenkov even before Martin walked away, which tells you that Lou felt that was an area of weakness for the team. Lou’s actions speak louder than any of our words possibly could.

My prediction is that White ranks 5th on the team in even-strength ice time this season and 4th in total ice time, the difference occurring because the Devils will rarely have more than one defenseman out there for powerplays. I think one of the kids will surprise us and earn a lot of ice time. And by the time White’s contract expires, I don’t think there will be any room left for him on the roster.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t think people realize how hard it is to be as good as colin white, even with all of this evidence that john has very nicely presented here. the last devils rookie defenseman to come in and play at that high a level was probably scott niedermayer. paul martin had basically exactly the same amount of ice time in his rookie year, but there were injuries to stevens and rafalski that season. rafalski technically wasn’t a rookie, but didn’t even get 20 minutes his first season. i understand that past results mean little toward the future, etc., but the chances that someone comes in and outplays colin white – it’s very, very unlikely.

by Triumph44 on Aug 17, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i do think white was great his rookie season. i think most ppl would point to the eye injury and say he hasn’t been the same since. whether it’s the eye or the post-lockout rules, he hasn’t been as effective. additionally, it’s one thing to let scott stevens handle the opposition’s best line and be paired with scott niedermayer. it’s another to try to be the shutdown man himself, and with mike mottau as a partner at that.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 18, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proof is always better than whatever most people would point to or think about, to be quite honest.

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by John Fischer on Aug 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: white in general – i think there should be some adjustment for his shots against because the new jersey scorer undercounts shots on goal against. so we can look at his ES SV% against and think that perhaps he is getting somewhat unlucky over this stretch, but some of it may be the NJ scorer miscounting.

either way, excellent breakdown. you won’t get the haters to admit it, though.

by Triumph44 on Aug 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as being worth $3M

I used nhlnumbers player comparison capability and pulled all the defensemen who will make between 2.75M and 3.25M in 2010-11. Pretty good company. Perhaps seeing where Colin ranks among his monetary peers might finally quiet some of his critics (among which I do not number).

Edler, Alexander
Robidas, Stephane
Seidenberg, Dennis
Wisniewski, James
Coburn, Braydon
Allen, Bryan
Barker, Cam
Gleason, Tim
Leopold, Jordan
Lydman, Toni
Quincey, Kyle
Tyutin, Fedor
White, Colin
White, Ian
Klesla, Rostislav
Salvador, Bryce
Vlasic, Marc-Edouard
Greene, Matt
Morris, Derek

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by FrankG929 on Aug 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll go through the numbers later on that, as most of those defensemen fit the same 20 GP, 15 TOI/60 criteria I used initially.

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by John Fischer on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

My personal experiences watching him screw up in key moments in games I’ve personally attended will always leave more of a mark than complicated stats and numbers. You wrote a very good article here, John, but it can’t overcome the sheer amount of boneheaded mistakes I’ve seen him make. These weren’t just any goals, they were game tying or tie breaking goals that he would screw up on and it resulted in me walking out of a southern California arena disappointed for 8 consecutive years and almost a dozen games.

I think that there are many young defensemen in the Devils’ system that could take over White’s role at a smaller cap hit, skate faster, and help the team not just keep the puck out of their own net, but get up the ice faster and get one at the other end. Let Eckford, Fraser, Urbom, or any number of other youngsters have a go. White’s contract can’t end soon enough.

by njdss4 on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

fraser has almost no chance of being as good as colin white. he was terrible last season. eckford is very unlikely to ever be as good as colin white at even strength.

by Triumph44 on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

My personal experiences watching him screw up in key moments in games I’ve personally attended will always leave more of a mark than complicated stats and numbers.

My personal experience watching Jaws in a key time in my childhood development will always leave more of a mark than countless informative documentaries I’ve watched since.

It’s called being irrational.

You wrote a very good article here, John, but it can’t overcome the sheer amount of boneheaded mistakes I’ve seen him make.

And that’s the very definition of confirmation bias.

There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing or having your own opinion, but denying facts because they don’t jive with your perceptions from an admitted small sample size is just plain stupid.

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by elesias on Aug 18, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And posting just to insult me won’t get you anywhere. I stand by my opinion, whatever you may define it as. Maybe you should come up with a better reason why you disagree with me than “you’re stupid”.

by njdss4 on Aug 18, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t say you were stupid. Just that it’s stupid to rely on self-fulfilling perceptions from a small sample size.

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by John Fischer on Aug 18, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed, though your continued bristly stubbornness makes it difficult to abstain from doing so.

Maybe you should come up with a better reason why you disagree with me than "you’re stupid".

Ignoring the absurdity of such a statement in the comment section underneath a post that does exactly that (!), I believe Russell’s Teapot applies here: the burden of proof is not upon the skeptic, but on the claimant.

If you want to think Colin White is the worst defenseman around, so be it, but don’t post that opinion when it’s been shown to be otherwise and not expect to have to prove it.

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by elesias on Aug 18, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work John. It’s impossible to calculate prevented opportunities, so quality defensive defensemen are hard to rate. My favorite line, without a doubt, is “it’s a lot better than sticking to stupid.”

by NJHockey8 on Aug 17, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you whole-heartedly John

I fear the problem is that many people were hoping that White could replace Scott Stevens when he retired. Unfortunately, the eye injury didn’t help, and quite frankly, I don’t know if he ever would’ve gotten there. He’s no top-pairing defenseman, but he’s a serviceable second-line defenseman, and, as you say, a terrific third-pairing defenseman.

Personally, I’m quite happy with our defense as it currently stands. We’ll see what ends up happening with the Kovy mess, and if a defensemen (probably Salvador) ends up getting moved as a result, but I think a defensive lineup as follows could work out very well for us:

Volchenkov Greene
White Tallinder
Salmela (when healthy) Salvador (if he doesn’t get traded)

with young guys like Eckford, Urbom, and/or Corrente filling in the 3rd line spots and for injuries as need be.

by hocke26 on Aug 18, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I like that Volchenkov/Greene pairing. Our defense historically works best when a defensive d-man was paired with an offensive one, instead of putting two of the same kind together as Lemaire or Sutter often did. If you look back to the championship teams, the pairings often looked like Stevens/Rafalski, Niedermayer/Daneyko, etc.

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by thejerseydevil on Aug 18, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he’s a serviceable second-line defenseman, and, as you say, a terrific third-pairing defenseman.

Thanks, but he’s not at all a third-pairing defenseman. He’s a #3 defenseman, right on the second-pairing.

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by John Fischer on Aug 18, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

John, I agree very much with your argument and article — Colin White is a solid #3 defenseman and would help on the 2nd pairing. However, I still believe the best thing for the Devils is to put him on the third pairing, Tallinder on the second pairing, and have each one partnered with one of the “kids” who makes the team. Two particular reasons why:

1. Making White and Tallinder your second pair, followed by two of the kids will lead to a situation where the third pairing will get limited ice time in certain spots, to “protect” both kids. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind seeing White and Tallinder out there together, especially on the PK or in the last minute of a game, but I also don’t want to see last year’s situation where a pairing of two neophytes on the third pair led to them getting very low ice time, and the Top 4 being asked to play 25-30 minutes a night. Doing so is a really good way to burn them out similar to how we worry about Marty playing 75 games in a season, and increases the risk of an injury as well.

2. I also think Colin White and Henrik Tallinder would make an excellent mentor and veteran “anchor” for a “kid” learning the ropes at the NHL level. It can be easy to forget how Scott Stevens did this so well for incoming rookies — he was the first defense partner for Paul Martin, for Brian Rafalski, even for Scott Niedermeyer — playing the “stay at home” role and helping to cover up for mistakes and bursts of adventurism and allowing his partner to take some offensive chances because he was there to correct some things. And while Colin White will never be Scott Stevens, I think he can reprise this particular part rather well, allowing his partner to show some offensive flourish and learn the art of playing at the NHL level while having a steady veteran who can compensate for some deficiencies and then explain those things from an at-the-time, on-ice perspective. You don’t get the same situation if you pair two of the rookies together.

This is what I’d like to see for the upcoming season.

Volchenkov-Greene / Tallinder-(rookie) / White-(rookie) …. where (rookie) could be anyone out of the group of Corrente, Eckford, Urbom, Salmela, Fraser, and someone who explodes onto the scene at training camp and in the preseason and magically makes the roster. If you have three pairings like this, you can try and keep the minutes for the Top 4 down some, say a 21/21/18 split of sixty minutes at even-strength. By all means, put White and Tallinder together on the PK — and keep the rookies off the ice if you don’t think they are ready for that responsibility — and at the end of a game while protecting a one-goal lead, but otherwise take advantage of having steady veterans to bring along the youngsters we’re depending on to fill out the roster.

by acasser on Aug 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

the minutes for the top 4 are going to be down anyway. only greene will play on the power play, and he won’t play on the penalty kill. your panic scenario about minutes doesn’t make much sense. also, when you have 3 defensemen who can take tough zone starts and do well with them, you should do that, and use your 3rd pairing as an offensive zone pairing primarily. that’s what jacques did last season. i wouldn’t mind signing a vet like hnidy or something to play on the 3rd pairing once salvador gets dealt and instead make fraser waiver bait. but a 3rd pairing of fraser-corrente getting easy minutes would really be just fine with me.

as with many pre-season concerns, these things rarely take into account injuries – plenty of young players will get a shot this season.

by Triumph44 on Aug 19, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

colin white

he is who he is and by that i mean that he is a decent stay-at-home second pairing NHL defenseman…the problem as i see it is the devils have more than enough players who can fill that role and need some more mobile puck moving defenders but that will be for lou and john mclean to figure out in training camp as we reach labor day and training camp…salvador may be the odd man out, partaiculary if kovalchuk is signed and the team needs to clear cap space

by don in central jersey on Aug 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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