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Cap Implications of a 15 yr/$100M contract: Who will go?

There was a lot of discussion on prior FanPosts about which players would be moved to make room for Ilya Kovalchuk's now-rejected 17 yr/$102M contract.  Though many still hold out hope that some daft GM will take Brian Rolston off our hands, the general consensus seemed to be that Bryce Salvador and Dainius Zubrus, as the big contracts without NTCs, were the most likely to go. 

Some argued that if the Devils promoted certain prospects and carried a bare minimum number of players on their roster, they could get away with trading/waiving Salvador only and get under the cap by a hair.  It seems that given the $6,666,667 cap hit of the contract that Kovalchuk and the Devils submitted yesterday for league approval, any possibility of trading Salvador alone to get under the cap is gone.  So how far will the Devils have to go in their salary dump to get under the cap this year, and what additional implications might Kovalchuk's contract have next offseason?

If Kovalchuk's contract is approved by the NHL, the Devils' cap situation would look like:

Player 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013
Ilya Kovalchuk $6,666,667 $6,666,667 $6,666,667
Patrik Elias $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
Brian Rolston $5,062,500 $5,062,500
Jason Arnott $4,500,000 UFA
Travis Zajac $3,887,500 $3,887,500 $3,887,500
Dainius Zubrus $3,400,000 $3,400,000 $3,400,000
Zach Parise $3,125,000 RFA
Jamie Langenbrunner $2,800,000 UFA
David Clarkson $2,666,666 $2,666,666 $2,666,666
Vladimir Zharkov $850,000 RFA
Rod Pelley $550,000 $550,000
P-L Letourneau-Leblond $525,000 $525,000
13th Forward $0
Forward Total $40,033,333
Anton Volchenkov $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000
Henrik Tallinder $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000
Colin White $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Bryce Salvador $2,900,000 $2,900,000
Andy Greene $737,500 UFA
Mark Fraser $500,000 RFA
7th Defenseman $0
Defense Total $14,762,500
Martin Brodeur $5,200,000 $5,200,000
Johan Hedberg $1,500,000 UFA
Goaltender Total $6,700,000
Andrew Peters $166,667 $166,667
Jay Pandolfo $833,333 $833,333
Buyout Total $1,000,000
Total Cap Payroll $62,495,833
Bonuses $740,000
Cap Ceiling 59,400,000
Cap Space -$2,355,833

 

At this point, permit me to make a few assumptions.  First, let me assume that Zach Parise will be re-signed, and will be given a contract comparable to Kovalchuk's, i.e. a $6,666,667 cap hit for a very long time.  There is definitely a possibility that Parise does not want to commit his entire career to the club and will seek a shorter contract (think 3-5 yrs) at a much higher cap hit (potentially $7.5 million or more).  For now, let's keep it at the same cap hit as Kovalchuk.

I will also make the assumption that Andy Greene will be re-signed, and at a cap hit somewhere between Tallinder's and Volchenkov's.  As it currently stands, Greene is our only truly offensive defenseman and may in fact be more valuable than both, but he's really only got one good season under his belt and is not as much of a "known quantity" as Volchenkov is.  For argument's sake let me set his cap hit in 2011-2012 and beyond at $3.75 M, just about halfway between Tallinder and Volchenkov and if you think he should be paid more or less we can consider those possibilities later.

Finally, given the steep raises that need to be given to Parise and Greene, let me assume that Jason Arnott will not be re-signed and that Josefson will be groomed this year to take his place as 2nd line center next year.  Whether you think Tedenby or Henrique will make the team over Josefson is of little consequence to the cap as their cap hits are all within $60,000 of each other.  The bottom line is that the Devils need a skilled prospect to step into a spot in the top-9 forwards in the event that one of the current veteran forwards is traded.

These assumptions, plus another that the cap ceiling is raised another 5% next season, gives us this situation:

Player 2010-2011 2011-2012 2012-2013
Ilya Kovalchuk $6,666,667 $6,666,667 $6,666,667
Patrik Elias $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
Brian Rolston $5,062,500 $5,062,500
Jason Arnott $4,500,000 $0
Travis Zajac $3,887,500 $3,887,500 $3,887,500
Dainius Zubrus $3,400,000 $3,400,000 $3,400,000
Zach Parise $3,125,000 $6,666,667 $6,666,667
Jamie Langenbrunner $2,800,000 UFA
David Clarkson $2,666,666 $2,666,666 $2,666,666
Jacob Josefson $900,000 $900,000 $900,000
Vladimir Zharkov $850,000 RFA
Rod Pelley $550,000 $550,000
P-L Letourneau-Leblond $525,000 $525,000
Forward Total $40,933,333 $36,325,000
Anton Volchenkov $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000
Henrik Tallinder $3,375,000 $3,375,000 $3,375,000
Colin White $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Bryce Salvador $2,900,000 $2,900,000
Andy Greene $737,500 $3,750,000 $3,750,000
Mark Fraser $500,000 RFA
7th Defenseman $0 $0
Defense Total $14,762,500 $17,275,000
Martin Brodeur $5,200,000 $5,200,000
Johan Hedberg $1,500,000 UFA
Goaltender Total $6,700,000 $5,200,000
Andrew Peters $166,667 $166,667
Jay Pandolfo $833,333 $833,333
Buyout Total $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Total Cap Payroll $63,395,833 $59,800,000
Bonuses $740,000 $0
Cap Ceiling $59,400,000 $62,370,000
Cap Space -$3,255,833 $2,570,000

 

I have kept 2011-2012 bonuses as 0 here because I can't predict whether Zharkov and Hedberg will earn their bonuses and because it's hard to predict which players will make the team in 2011-2012 and what their bonuses will consist of.

In 2010-2011, the Devils need to clear over $3.25 M in cap space even without carrying a 7th defenseman.  If they went with a truly bare minimum lineup consisting of 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalies, they could technically get away with trading only Zubrus, but such a strategy is fraught with risk. Promoting a league-minimum player like Sestito instead of Josefson could earn you enough cap space to carry Eckford or Taormina as a 7th defenseman.  Arguably, that would move Zharkov up to the top-9 and Sestito would play with Pelley and PL3 on the 4th line, but at cost of possibly hindering the development of a player ready for the big time, such as Josefson, Tedenby, Urbom, or Corrente.  It would also leave the Devils with a hole at center, likely forcing them to play Rolston at 3rd line center (eeek) or splitting up Arnott and Elias and having Elias play center again.  Thus it becomes a stretch to think that Josefson WON'T make the team.

Supposing Zubrus is the only one traded, in 2011-2012 the Devils will have $5.97 M in cap space to add 3-4 forwards, 1-2 defensemen, and 1 backup goaltender - a minimum of 5 players.  Supposing that Tedenby and Urbom/Corrente will be 2 of those 5 players, accounting for a $1.745 M cap hit but a $310,000 bonus that can be deferred to 2012-2013, the Devils will have $4.535 M in space for 3 players and a top-9 forward corps consisting of Parise, Kovalchuk, Elias, Rolston, Zajac, Clarkson, Josefson, Tedenby, plus someone else.  In that situation, re-signing Langenbrunner for something close to a $3 M cap hit would leave the Devils with about $1.5M with one forward and one D needing to be signed and no third-line center.  They could certainly let Langenbrunnner walk away and sign a good third-line center for $3 M or less - or even re-sign Arnott, since his cap hit is likely to go down from what it is now.

So all in all, trading away Zubrus alone (or loaning him to, say, the KHL the way Chicago did with Huet) could theoretically do the job, but would leave the Devils in a very precarious situation carrying a 20-man roster for two straight seasons; would be dependent on the progress of top prospects like Josefson, Tedenby, Urbom, and Corrente; and would force the Devils to carry, as part of their bare-minimum 20-man roster in 2011-2012, three near-league-minimum forwards (Pelley, Leblond, and one more - potentially Zharkov if he agrees to it), one cheap Dman (Corrente would fit under the cap if the 12th forward is close to $500K than $750K.

I don't think it's wise to be so tight up against the cap and I think both Salvador and Zubrus must go, but I'm curious what you all think.  Is trading Salvador the ONLY viable option for clearing more space?  How might the Devils fill in the hole on defense if Salvador is traded?  Will the Devils have to make an additional trade in 2011, and what might they be able to do?  Do you think Parise and Greene will make more or less than what was assumed here?

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I would trade Zubrus and Salvador for picks (or “future considerations” if I couldn’t get picks) and add Josefson, Tedenby, Henrique, and Eckford. Fraser is already on the payroll. Replace one of the young forwards I mentioned with Richard Park or Dean McAmmond if they could be signed for about the same amount (roughly $850K). After considering the bonus cushion, this would still leave the Devils with about $450K in cap space and they would have a full roster of 23.

by njdss4 on Aug 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I would agree that Zubrus and Salvador should be the main targets to dump. What makes them viable because they’ll clear up space for the next season, they are useful players, and they can be replaced cheaply. As much as it may pain some people to hear this, dumping Salvador and re-signing someone cheap like Mottau for the #5 spot could work on D (I’ll explain this tomorrow), ditto for cheap forwards.

The more immediate concern is what would else would have to be moved to get a team to take Salvador and/or Zubrus.

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by John Fischer on Aug 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

But would we have to sign a replacement for Salvador?

I mean you have a lot of defensive prospects (i.e. Corrente, Fraser, Urbom, and Eckford) fighting for a roster spot. I mean throw all the “stats” at me, I still think Mottau is a bad defenseman. Thats just my point of view. Corrente culd easily fill Salvs spot or if they want an offensive defenseman on there, they can slot Eckford or Urbom in there. Mottau’s not needed.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I have heard so much about these kids, why not give them a shot. They are only gonna get 3rd pairing minutes, they can’t screw it up that much.

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by slackdog_rm on Aug 28, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd pairing minutes could mean 15 minutes a game. That’s a lot of time to screw up. And if you tried to limit their ice time to 12 minutes a game, that would force your top pair to play about 26 min and your 2nd pair 22 min. Or to have four defensemen play 24 min each….every game for the whole season. That would be a mighty tired bunch by playoff time.

I don’t like Mottau. Never have. There is NO reason to pay Mottau more than the league minimum salary, though, and I would rather have Mottau at $500K than throw in kids who truly aren’t ready and will have their confidence utterly shot by being forced into the lineup.

Having two rookie defensemen in your 3rd pairing is not only playing with fire every time they step on the ice, it increases the burden on the rest of the defense. The only way to properly integrate them into the lineup is to pair them with a veteran who can cover for their mistakes and teach them the game, but they have to be ready to handle those kind of minutes (at least 17+ per game) somewhat capably.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 28, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a good way to handle it. If you have a top pairing of Volchenkov and Greene, you can pair Tallinder with one and White with one (this is assuming Salvador will be traded). Use the veteran as a mentor until its no longer necessary.

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by thejerseydevil on Aug 28, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

mike mottau is worth much, much more than the minimum salary. the defensemen signed for minimum salary this off-season are guys like nick boynton and mark fraser. mottau would be a boon to the devils at 1 million – his play is steady, and he can eat minutes without giving up anything.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm. Why does it seem that every late goal in the 3rd period Mottau is on the ice? I just watched the Ranger Devil game (Idk I just wanted something to do) and there is Mottau standing in front of Marty with Drury right in front untuched. I mean he’s not worth a million dollars. Hell no. League minumim or nothing. We have prospects that can fight for the job.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh right, and when in the game was that goal scored? at the very end? how many other 32 year old defensemen being paid $775,000 were out on the ice consistently at the end of games? i’d bet on zero, myself.

hockey is all about context. mottau was put out on the ice in very difficult situations last season, and while it can’t be said that he played well, he didn’t play poorly either. there are far worse defensemen making far more than $1m.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still wouldn’t give him a million dollars in this tight of cap space. I would rather let Corrente or Eckford get a chance then bring in Mottau. And if the Devils were to sign him, wouldn’t you think Mac will let him 15 minutes on the ice? No thanks. I’ve never liked him.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s almost no chance that corrente or eckford would do better. like john pointed out in his mottau article, most rookie defenders need protection. mottau had anti-protection last season. and even then, he was a plus player.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a plus player because he was on the ice with the Parise or Kovalchuk line. And why can’t you slot Tallinder with a rookie?
Volchenkov-Greene
Tallinder-Eckford
Fraser-Mara
Paul Mara would be the cheapest option. And he is better then Mottau. I loved Mara with the Rangers and was very vocal in the locker room although I am a Devils fan I watch a couple Ranger games. Mottau for a million or Mara for 600,000?

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

because eckford isn’t very good? why do people think eckford is good? he’s not. he’s just a name that constantly gets put into the lineup. he’s a year younger than zach parise. he hasn’t shown very much in the AHL. he didn’t show me anything in the NHL. he’s got some skills and he might stick, but odds are he won’t. putting him on a 2nd pairing is lunacy.

paul mara was bad beyond words last season. he was unlucky, but he was also bad.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eckford's bad?

He was an AHL all-star last year and picked up 31 pts in 61 games. He’s a nice two way defenseman who really hasn’t had a significant shot to the roster. I don’t think he is “bad” I mean c’mon you only saw him play 3 games in the NHL season. And you call him bad? The Devils have been stacked with defenseman the past years without room for Eckford. You don’t want Eckford in there then how about Urbom?

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

first off, every AHL team has at least one AHL All-Star. past AHL All-Stars for New Jersey include Jiri Bicek and Petr Vrana.

my point is that eckford is old for a prospect, he turns 25 in a week. he should be doing really, really well in the AHL at his age to be considered an NHL prospect, and i don’t think he’s doing well enough. i don’t think eckford will be an NHL player. i hope he proves me wrong. he’s not a longshot to become one, but i certainly think he’s an underdog.

urbom is good, he seems like a very good prospect, but i am very hesitant to pencil in a guy who’s had little experience playing against men into a top 4 spot.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point. But how old is Fraser? He’s been in the AHL longer then Eckford and finally got a permanent like stint last season. I’ll have to see atleast 15 games from Eck to see what he is going to be like in the NHL. He could be good trade bait too. Zubrus, Salvador, and Eckford to sweeten the pot.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how old is Fraser?

24 in September. Holy smokes, we share a birthday!!! Eckford is almost 1 year older and 65 NHL games behind Fraser.

But anyway, sure Fraser spent more time in the AHL, but the time Eckford was in college, do you think he would have been in the NHL any earlier?

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by FrankG929 on Aug 29, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t consider Eckford too old at 25. He was a forward converted to defense in college, college players typically take a little longer to develop, and there are plenty of late bloomers out there, especially among defensemen. Andy Greene didn’t establish himself as a legit NHL defenseman until age 27 and Brian Rafalski made it into the NHL at age 26. All three were smooth puck-handling defensemen at the college level, and they are all undersized. And your boy Mike Mottau was an AHLer (and not even an AHL All-Star) until he made the Devils at age 29. So let’s not give up on Eckford just yet. He’s got at least 3 yrs to prove himself.

As for Mottau, I’m not saying his value to the Devils doesn’t exceed the league minimum salary. Somehow, he fits OK enough with the Devils to keep his job. I don’t think he’s receiving offers from any other teams, though, so why pay him a million? Or even pay him what he earned last year? I mean, the guy is taking finance classes to prepare him for a job post-hockey.

I think there’s a good chance that Mottau doesn’t get a contract before training camp. If that’s the case, the Devils can take their time, evaluate Eckford, Urbom, and others in camp, and sign Mottau if they feel they need a short-term fix. I certainly hope it’s not for more than a year, though.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 30, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of these players had much better results in the minor leagues, though. it’s eckford being a forward convert that makes me call him an underdog – otherwise he’d be a long shot, there are lots of guys who’ve put up the numbers he has in the AHL and have never come close to the AHL.

mottau was an ahl all-star several times and is not a good comparable anyway.

mottau indicated when he was interviewed by TG that he has had interest from other teams. i imagine he’s had offers, and he’ll have more during training camp, because guys always get hurt and i imagine there’s interest in a guy who played 22 minutes for the best defensive team in the league, and isn’t even all that old.

by Triumph44 on Aug 30, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve had the discussions all summer regarding who could/should be moved. I’m with John’s remark above — Zubrus and Salvador are probably the ones to go. In addition to clearing the necessary cap space, it will reduce the numbers logjam and make space for the prospects. Although…. a third line of Rolston-Zubrus-Clarkson would probably be more talented than the majority of third lines around the league. It just wouldn’t be terribly cost efficient (upwards of $11 million in cap hits for the third line is extravagant).

Also, let us not go overboard projecting all these “kids” into the lineup. Sure, we all have great expectations for Tedenby, Josefson, Urbom, et al, but there’s no guarantee that they are ready to step into a lineup now, that they’ll be ready in a year, or that they’ll ever be ready for that matter. The most reasonable thing to do (in my opinion) is to give them every chance in training camp to earn the job, but to also bring in a couple of “budget” veterans on a tryout basis or a two-way contract. If someone like Matt Corrente demonstrates he’s capable of holding down a regular job on defense, that’s wonderful…. if not, you’ll have someone like Mike Mottau around (not that I think he’d be keen to come back on a tryout basis, mind you, just throwing an example of the kind of guy I have in mind out there) who can step in and play the necessary part for the league minimum or something close to it.

And just to throw the idea out there…. perhaps Lou would be willing to go with the prospects early in the season to conserve cap space for later on and see who can play up to the necessary level. If it doesn’t work out, a specific amount of cap space goes a little further the later you get into the season ($1 million in cap space means you could take on a $2 million annual cap hit after 41 games in that slot), which opens up more options. Scott Niedermeyer said as much that he’d have considered a return to NJ if he played this year. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s had the itch after the season is partially gone…. perhaps he’s a “Plan B” if the blue line needs help in mid-season?

by acasser on Aug 28, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well if your going to call a tryout..

Then why not call a better defenseman to fill that void? Maybe Paul Mara or Garnett Exelby? Paul Mara was in the discussion to be the Rangers captain a few years ago and was touted as the Rangers best defensive defenseman. With Montreal, he did get a shot but the Habs are loaded with defensemen. Exelby’s only 29 and had a bad season last year picking up 4 pts in 51 games. But Exelby’s not an offensive defenseman either. He could do well at the 3rd pairing spot with Fraser or White. But I think there are much better options then Mike Mottau right now. And I to agree he would come on a tryout either.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't**

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exelby’s horrible. He might be cheap, but i’d rather have Mottau over him.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 28, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying sign him now, just give him a tryout and see how it works out. And yes Exelby was horrible with the Leafs last year. But c’mon its the Maple Leafs.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 28, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not advocating for Mike Mottau. Believe me, he annoyed me as much as many of you. I was simply mentioning him as the type of guy you might be able to get on a tryout basis once camps open — at that point, many veterans will scramble for the few guaranteed jobs and will also be open to the idea of a two-way deal as opposed to nothing at all.

by acasser on Aug 28, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t see any need to sign anyone before training camp. we have several prospects who could fill the roster. If no one proves themselves in training camp im sure there will be depths players left that we can sign

by C.J. Richey on Aug 28, 2010 6:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thats what I'm saying

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 28, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. We’ve talked for so long about getting these prospects into the lineup, let’s see them earn their spots now. If none of them have shown they’re ready, a veteran depth player would work but the kids need to be given every shot before that happens.

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by thejerseydevil on Aug 28, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like i should change my SB Nation handle to re-entry waive rolston. that to me is the best option. the devils can get away with disposing of rolston through re-entry waivers and throwing salvador off. if you notice, most of the guys who’ve been signed lately are left wings – i think there’s still demand for left wings. next season, they may have to get rid of zubrus, but that’s next season – it depends on how greene does and how someone like taormina looks. i would not pay 3.75 million for andy greene’s performance last season – he was helped out by a favorable zone start and hasn’t shown himself as anything better than average on the power play.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure because he signed his deal when he was older than 35, the only way to get him off our books is via trade. Even if someone claims him we’d still have to pay him. I could be wrong but that’s how I understand it.

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by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

from everything i’ve seen, it’s not true. if the devils expose rolston to re-entry waivers, and he gets taken, he would be another team’s property. this removes us from the 35+ burden. we would still be responsible for half of his salary.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 35-and-Older Clause:

•When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team’s salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up.
•If the player is sent to the minor leagues, his cap hit is reduced by $100,000.

I don’t know if that is all true but I don’t think you can put a 35+ age players on re-entry waivers.

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Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is absolutely nothing in the CBA that forbids it. i’ve read the clause 100 times. i read the entire section on waivers. TG himself mentioned the possibility long ago – now TG’s not perfect on CBA issues by any stretch, but he is able to find people who can interpret it for him.

by Triumph44 on Aug 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see anything that forbids waivers and re-entry waivers on a 35+ deal. Most teams won’t think about doing it, because there’s no cap space to be gained by waiving such a player and sending him to the AHL …. but doing it towards the end of a handshake deal where the player will get claimed on re-entry waivers, it certainly makes sense.

I’m all for such a deal, if it can be worked out. That’s the $64,000 question, however.

by acasser on Aug 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem I see is that Rolston is likely worth a little more than 1/2 his current salary in terms of ability and waiving him would only take 1/2 off the cap. So would it really be worth loosing him for 2.5 mill cap space?

by devsfan9 on Aug 29, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If salary were based on current performance, Rolston would make $1 million tops, considering his only real skill—his point shot—hits the next approximately 1 out of every 6 times. His salary is not his fault, but it’s preventing us from doing a lot of things, like being able to keep Kovalchuk, Zubrus, AND Salvador.

But the short answer is yes, it is worth it. He’s paid way too much and only proves he’s worth that much money a few games a year.

Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.

by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

His salary is not his fault

So he was forced to sign that contract and play well under it’s value?

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by FrankG929 on Aug 29, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Lou vastly overpaid for him. Even when he was coming off of a 30+ goal season, 5 mil a year was a little much for him. Obviously he was smart to sign it, but what I meant was the fact that he’s getting paid so much to do so little has less to do with him than it does with Lou for offering that contract to him.

Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.

by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps true, but if not Lou, Rolston would still probably be playing SOMEWHERE at close to a $5M cap hit. As many have said before, that’s what the market was for him when he was a UFA.

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by FrankG929 on Aug 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston was going to get 5 million from a team

His rights were traded to th Lightning and they wanted to sign him. Maybe their offer was 4.5 million or even 5 but he took Lou’s offer to come back to NJ. It just happened to be a bust. Every team has it. Just be lucky that Glen Sather doesn’t run the team.

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you could ask whether “losing Rolston” is worth the 2.5 million in wasted space. I think it’s also important to consider who would be brought into the top-9 forwards to replace him. If the top-9 include the following 7 guys: Parise, Kovalchuk, Zajac, Elias, Langenbrunner, Arnott, and Clarkson and getting rid of Rolston allows you to keep Zubrus, then the 9th forward could conceivably be one of Zharkov, Tedenby, Josefson, or Palmieri. All have a cap hit between 800-900K, and only Zharkov’s contract expires before Rolston’s does.

Therefore, replacing Rolston with a prospect would save the Devils $1.6-1.7M, and a MAX of $2M if you replace him with a league-minimum salary. The question, to me, is “Is it better to have Rolston or to have one of the prospects plus $1.6-1.7M in cap space?” Tough call.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 30, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s only a tough call if you’re looking at money. If you’re speaking in terms of hockey, it’s definitely worth it. At least you know if nothing else, one of the above mentioned prospects will bring speed and energy to the table, in addition to the various skills they have. Rolston has only one real skill anymore, and he hardly hits the net as it is.

Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.

by thejerseydevil on Aug 30, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe I’ve already proven that Rolston isn’t as bad as all of us think at hitting the net.

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by FrankG929 on Aug 30, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree he also has one of the hardest shots in the league. Give time on the pp he is a solid 20 goal score. Replacing him is not going to be a prospect or a league min salary. That leaves little room saved if he is waived, and that is only if a team even claims him and that’s a big if.

by devsfan9 on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were all those stats from Islander Devil games? Its like everytime we play them he scores like 2 from the slot or point.

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

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