When Will Mike Mottau Get Signed by a NHL Team?
This is a question I'm sure most New Jersey Devils fans aren't asking.
After all, we're waiting to see if the NHL will approve the new Ilya Kovalchuk contract for $100 million over 15 years. If they do, then most Devils fans will be wondering who will be dumped to get the team underneath the salary cap ceiling in time for the 2010-11 season. (Incidentally, I've made my argument here as to who that should be back in July, please don't discuss it here.)
With September coming up, several of the free agents from last year's team have signed elsewhere. Paul Martin signed with Pittsburgh. Rob Niedermayer went to Buffalo. Yann Danis went to Russia and will play for Amur Khabarovsk of the KHL. Martin Skoula also will play in the KHL, but for Avangard Omsk. Andrew Peters and Jay Pandolfo were bought out, and Peters has signed with the Florida Panthers.
Yet, Mike Mottau has not been signed by anyone. He is still available for any team in the league. I find it bizarre (and unfair in a way) that Andrew Peters - yes, the same Andrew Peters whose fists were irrelevant last season - got a contract - a two-way contract, but still - before Mike Mottau got a deal. I know Jay Pandolfo hasn't been signed anywhere either, but he's lost more than just a step in recent seasons. He was a shutdown defensive winger, but as more teams tend to match lines "power for power," Pandolfo's lack of offense really doesn't make him viable. I can see why Pandolfo hasn't been signed, but not a 32-year old defenseman who hasn't really lost anything yet. I don't understand why Mottau is still an unrestricted free agent, and I'll explain why after the jump.
Last season, Mottau was put on shifts in New Jersey's end often (second largest differential behind Colin White); and played a ton of minutes, specifically an average of 22:15 per game (second behind Andy Greene), 19:19 per game at even strength (led the team). Per Behind the Net, Mottau had a good quality of teammates at even strength (0.081), but also faced a good quality of competition (0.033, second most among defensemen).
Back in May, in comparing Paul Martin's advanced stats with his teammates, I found that Mike Mottau actually compared quite well among defensemen in the league in terms of shots against per 60 (an important area to be good at for a defenseman). Plus, as noted in the defensive zone post earlier this month, Mottau managed an unadjusted positive Corsi (meaning, more meaningful puck possession for NJ when he was on the ice) despite not being offensive, playing next to an even-less-offensive Colin White, and having started in his own zone over 80 more times than in other team's end of the rink. That's pretty impressive.
As Tom noted a few days ago, Lemaire utilized Mottau quite a lot on the penalty kill last season; adding to his minutes and responsibilities. Tom wasn't as bullish on Mottau's PK performances, but he wasn't stinking it up on the ice either.
Given that Mottau made all of $762,500 last season, that's getting a lot of bang for your buck.
As much frustration as he caused Devils fans, in the big picture, there's not a lot of evidence to say that Mottau was abysmal. Did he have any special talents to speak of? No. Was he big and physical? No. Was he particularly useful on offense? Not really. Did he make some boneheaded plays at time? Of course, but who hasn't? Mottau is what he is, unimpressive but not at all useless.
My main point is that while Mottau isn't exceptional, but he wasn't a waste of space on the blueline either. The advanced numbers, especially from last season, aren't bad at all. Intuitively, given that Brent Sutter used him regularly and Jacques Lemaire used him heavily, Mottau must have been doing something right in his own end to justify his minutes. He didn't make a lot of money last year and unless he and his representation has set ridiculous demands, he probably could be had for cheap again. Especially now, given that the season is nigh and he'd want to get on a team for their training camp to get acclimated and ready for 2010-11.
He's been on the Devils' #4 spot in the past few seasons, surely a team could use him for a #4 or #5 spot - with the possibility for minutes in spot duty, right?
Now, having said all that, I can think of only one scenario where I would want Mottau back as a Devil. User triumph44 brought it up in the comments to Tom's post about projecting the defensemen on the penalty kill:
if the money’s there for it, i wouldn’t mind seeing mottau back here on a cheap contract playing 3rd pairing minutes and killing penalties. if the devils go with a top four of volchenkov, greene, white, tallinder, with the remaining two being a combo of young players or people like salmela and fraser, i think that’s a mistake. one of those 4 will get hurt and the young kids will get NHL time, but i fear a situation like last year where our 3rd pairing is extremely protected, zone start and QoC wise, and stops playing in the 3rd period. one injury and we’re playing one of those unproven guys 20 minutes a game.
Triumph has a good point. Remember that Mark Fraser was heavily protected last season. Lemaire gave him an average of , played him against weak competition (-0.092 was the lowest among all Devils defensemen at even strength), and despite being a physical, defensive-minded defenseman, Lemaire started Fraser 90 more times in the opposition's end of the rink than in his own zone. As a result of this practice, Fraser was brought in slowly; and as fine of an idea that may be, it meant the other four to five defenseman had to pick up even more minutes.
While the Devils have several defensemen prospects who will fight for a roster spot in training camp, I wouldn't get my hopes up on counting on them to pick up the slack. Young defensemen in the NHL aren't common at all for a reason. George St. Ayr wrote a great post at Blueshirt Banter explaining that a young defender can do well only if they are put into good situations. Even so, asking for Alexander Urbom or Matthew Corrente to do more than a 23-year old Mark Fraser last season is asking for quite a lot. In fact, I don't even know how Fraser will respond if John MacLean gives him more minutes and tougher competition in 2010-11.
This is where Mottau can be a positive asset. He can not only "cover" for the younger #6 defenseman on the ice, but give the coaching staff the confidence to give that pairing shifts later in the game and more shifts in general. They're familiar with Mottau as much as Mottau is familiar with them. This way the top 4 doesn't get overworked. Moreover, should someone higher up get hurt, the Devils know that Mottau can be used to fill in that player's spot as a short-term solution. We may not like it, but the past two seasons shown that Mottau can be on a second pairing and not look totally overwhelmed.
There's also a solid intangible I think Mottau can provide: mentoring (in theory, I don't know what he's actually like as a teacher or mentor). He's living proof that persistence plus the right situation can lead to a regular spot on a NHL roster, whether he was in the minors for a 1 season or for 7 seasons like Mottau. That's not a bad lesson to teach to a Devils system with several young defenders, some of who will end up in Albany by the end of October.
Above all that, he can be had for cheap - which will be a vital factor if/when Kovalchuk is officially a New Jersey Devil.
That all said, I don't see how most teams in the league wouldn't benefit in some small way. Do I think the Devils have to sign Mottau? No. I will only be pleased if it's after a contract dumping and he's brought in as a vet for a lower pairing position. Do I think Mottau is a must-sign player? Clearly not, the market has spoken on that one. Do I think Mottau can be an asset? Yes, and a cheap one at that, so I still fail to see how he's still without a team at this point of the offseason.
When will Mike Mottau get signed by a NHL team? For his sake, hopefully soon.
If you want to talk about Ilya Kovalchuk and his contract, do it in this post and not here. Here is where you can answer questions like: When do you think Mottau will sign with a NHL team? Do you think Mottau will get a contract offer in the coming month? Who you do you think should sign Mike Mottau. Please post your thoughts on those questions and on Mike Mottau in the comments. Thanks for reading.
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I have nothing against Mottau, he’s just the unluckiest guy I’ve ever seen. He has so many pucks bounce off him at the strangest angles and it almost always managed to find a way past Brodeur. With the other defensemen we picked up this offseason, I think I’d rather give one of the prospects a shot at the roster than bring him back.
As much as I was disapointed with Mottau last season and years before, he deserves to be signed before Peters does. I don’t get it but I guess Florida needed a fighter and when I say fighter they really got one then a 3rd pairing defenseman.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i think corrente or urbom can definitely do better than mark fraser. fraser was a non-prospect before this season, and it was only dumb luck that he even got into the NHL in the first place. even so, he was probably one of the worst regular defensemen in the league.
how was Fraser not a prospect? we drafted him in 2005 and he’s been working his way toward the NHL since like Eckford and Corrente have.
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by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
by non-prospect, i mean he had no upside. at best he was going to become a 3rd pairing defenseman in the NHL.
okay gotcha. by your definition the fact that he could potentially become an nhl regular makes him a prospect in my eyes but we can agree to disagree there
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by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What a bunch of bull that is. Fraser is going to turn into a very solid second pairing dman. He is going to eventually replace Colin White. He’s not flashy or anything. But he’s very physical. He just needs to get more confidents. I think he’ll have a much better year this year.
I feel like Urbom definitely has more potential than Fraser… we’ll have to see how everything goes this season.
by undersuspicion426 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen Urbom play? No… Has he even played in the NHL yet? No. So don’t solely go on a scouting report.
I watched him in the Memorial Cup but I wasn’t that excited about him. He looked slow against the Spitfires. Then again they lost 9-3 and in the finals I really didn’t notice him either.
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The only thing that I liked what I saw from Urbom is his shot.
His defense is lacking.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 30, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is signed
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s undoubtedly reasons he hasn’t signed yet. I figure it could be any of the following:
- Mottau has an understanding with Lou, and they’re just waiting for the “other dominos” to fall. Not just the Kovalchuk deal, mind you, but whatever trades have to be made to open up some cap space as well. Certainly possible, maybe even probable.
- Mottau has priced himself out of the market. For all we know, he received a couple of offers in early July and turned them down because he thought he could do better. Now, everything has dried up, and he’s left standing and staring with the music coming to a stop and most of the seats full. I could very easily see this one as well — he wouldn’t be the first guy to have an inflated opinion of his value and cost himself a payday and a roster spot for that reason alone.
- Mottau isn’t drawing any interest whatsoever. Heck, we have two camps on this site regarding Mike Mottau. One believes he unfairly gets a bad rap, that the sabremetrics demonstrate he’s actually a good defenseman (especially for what he was paid), and that he goes out of his way to help old ladies cross the street. The other believes he’s not very good, always around when bad things happen, that Colin White has to clean up after his repeated mistakes, and that he bullies elementary school kids for their lunch money. Getting away from the hyperbole and back to my point, it is possible that other teams think Mottau is nothing more than a product of the Devils’ system, and therefore aren’t particularly interested. Possible, but not incredibly likely…. 29 other teams means someone probably thinks he could help at a reasonable wage.
- Finally, he could be drawing interest only from teams he’s not particularly interested in playing for, and waiting for a call from someone else. Not the wisest idea in a market where the buying teams wield the hammer, but well within his rights. Certainly a risk, because the music stops shortly and there won’t be many chairs left to scramble into.
All the hypothesizing aside, I think there’s a substanial risk of #3 (no interest whatsoever), and has become a cautionary tale in the same vein as Timmy Thomas in Boston. A late-round draft pick who spent an inordinately long time in the Minor Leagues before making the AHL. Even when he made it, it took him some time to establish himself at this level as well.
In the case of Thomas, he established himself, then had one truly spectacular season and signed a contract the Bruins needed less than six months to regret. In the case of Mottau, he might be angling for that one significant payday (a multi-year deal at an increased wage) and nobody is biting on that asking price.
But back to my narrative…. there’s a reason people get drafted really low (or not at all) and then struggle for a considerable period of time to make the NHL. It isn’t because they are good, but that they are persistent and show someone just enough to keep hanging around. Thomas went from Colorado to Edmonton to Boston, with a stop in Finland during the lockout as well. Mottau went from the Rangers to the Flames to the Ducks to the Blues to the Devils, around for cups of coffee at the NHL level with his first two teams and otherwise not making the big time until New Jersey.
I think Mottau can be a serviceable third pairing defenseman, but I wouldn’t want to count on him for more than that. Yes, he played second-pairing minutes the last two years, but that doesn’t mean he should. If he wants a million dollars for next season, I’d rather have two kids out of the AHL for the same money…. in addition, using prospects from the AHL means you can shuttle them down and someone else up very easily if the first prospect doesn’t work out. Mottau undoubtedly would require a one-way contract and you’d be stuck with him for the season if he isn’t working out. The third pairing is an ideal place to work someone in, especially if Colin White is going to be the opposite side — I believe Tallinder/Urbom will be the default choice for the second pairing unless Urbom plays himself out of a job at training camp.
In that scenario, I would play Volchenkov/Greene about 22 minutes a night, all things being equal. Play the second and third pairings roughly 19 minutes a night. If I’m not comfortable with the “kids” on the penalty kill, or late in a close game, than I shorten my defensive rotation and make my second pair Tallinder/White in those situations…. although I’d prefer to at least let the kids “get their feet wet” in such situations and see if they’re going to be capable of handling it. At some point, they’ll have to if they’re to stick long-term at the NHL level.
Finally, the other reason to use prospects and not Mottau is because I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Scott Niedermeyer feels “the itch” around Christmas. Assuming Lou banks a little bit of cap space for that or other trade deadline needs, Niedermeyer could solve just about every one of your blue line issues on his own…. and he’s expressed a willingness to return to NJ.
You lost me at Niedermayer. I just don’t see him coming out of retirement just for a half of a season. If it was like a Shanahan case then I wouldn’t doubt it but Nieds seems happily retired. But you never know and I would welcome Nieds back on the Devils.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
google chrome ate my long reply to this, so you get the short version.
i think among your options up there, it’s mostly 1, 3, and 4 – if you read this article by TG in July, it sure seems like there’s the possibility of mottau returning. mottau also interned at some bond trading desk or something either during the olympic break or before last off-season, so the guy has at least looked into a post-playing career. he’s also been living on minor league money for 6 years. i don’t think he’s holding out for a huge payday.
wrt mottau and persistence – you’re begging the question by saying that it’s just persistence. tim thomas actually was excellent – it’s just that he’s also 35 and players who are 35 tend to decline. mottau was probably a league average or slightly below league average defender the last three years. he was probably not given a shot because of his skating speed, which is poor, but he’s clearly established the fact that he is an NHL-caliber player.
wrt mottau and rookies, i don’t think that rookies have a good chance of being as good as mottau. and if mottau himself isn’t good, he won’t be hard to dispose of. teams are always looking for defensemen during the season when injuries hit. i have little doubt that someone would take mottau on if they got hit by the injury bug.
wrt niedermayer, that’s a pipe dream scenario and not worth planning around. if lou banks trade deadline money that’s fine, but tell me the last guy who’s come in at the trade deadline and looked good? i’m tired of thinking that things can be solved on defense at the trade deadline – whoever comes in immediately becomes everyone’s least favorite player.
Mike Mottau is no spring chicken (he’s 32 now). And if the perception is that he is a “league average defender” (as you put it), I think he won’t get many offers until the end of training camp. Most teams would prefer to see if their own prospects can fill a bottom pairing or even 2nd pairing role before they dip into the free agency pool for a veteran to stopgap them. Even if you assume rookies aren’t going to be as good as Mottau, many teams would just as soon start the NHL development process now, and take lesser returns in the immediate future for the hopes that the curve will give them superior returns down the line. The only teams that might think otherwise are those on the cusp of a championship, when one has to maximize every possible aspect of a roster.
With regards to Niedermeyer, I don’t think it is a likely scenario, but I’m not placing it in the realm of a unicorn deal, either. There are a gazillion athletes out there who don’t know when to hang it up and stay away…. and Niedermeyer is among those who have sat out training camp and part of the season and then felt like returning. Admittedly, it has been a few years since he last pulled this particular stunt, and the Vancouver Olympiad is in the rearview mirror, but I still wouldn’t be shocked if he felt the urge to play come Christmas and had his agent call around to contenders to gauge the interest.
With regards to “fixing the defense” at the trade deadline, I’m with you. Teams always look at Deadline Day as if it were the panacea for all that ails them. You can tinker around the edges and add a little bit, but not a whole lot more. It is the rare team that makes a sizable trade and goes on to win it all. Generally, a good team should be looking to address a particular need and fit it into their system (think the Devils needing another scorer in 2000 and nabbing Mogilny).
niedermayer has accomplished almost everything an athlete in this sport can accomplish. he’s won 4 stanley cups, a norris trophy, a conn smythe, and 2 gold medals. and to me there were more than a handful of nights where it looked like he didn’t feel much like playing. the devils won’t have any money under the cap, and niedermayer didn’t have to retire since he wasn’t under contract, he could’ve just pulled a shanahan and waited. i think he’s done.
you see teams going on to win it all after sizable trades – and there are lots of examples – but in general, i don’t like it for defense. you think back to all the guys the devils have gotten at the deadline, and they usually got at least one guy – that guy was not what we thought he would be. that’s why i want mottau. and i think mottau’s waiting around for NJ. forget all this drivel about a puck moving defenseman, whatever that is, we’ve got 3 injury prone guys in our top 4, someone’s going to have to take on major minutes, and i don’t want it to be a rookie.
Bad 1st, Good 2nd...
If I remember correctly, Mottau had a pretty terrible 1st half of the season (while the rest of the team did amazing) and an average to above average 2nd half of the season (when everyone else was slumping collectively). No doubt once this Illya dilemma is finally resolved and we have confirmation on his whereabouts, the variable that is Mike Mottau will finally have its place. As you’ve stated, the guy is on the cheap and he had a resurgence in the 2nd half of the season. I wouldn’t mind bringing him back as a 3rd line defender.
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No, he was actually very solid in the early half of the seaon..actually i think he was pretty much the same all season long. From the Rink even did a statistical breakdown using advanced stats that ranked Mottau the #6 defensive D-man in the NHL as of early December. His pairing partner, Colin White was #7…which would easily at that point rank them the best defensive pairing the league.
Most fans tend to remember the bonehead moves and not the long stretches of time when defensive D-men are doing their job, a job that’s hard to really notice. I think Mottau is a pretty effective D-man, especially as a bottom pairing guy… similar to say Lyle Odelin way back when. He is well worth a slot as a #5 guy especially if he signs on for between 500k-1mil. I’d rather have him than Salvador.
Interesting. Perhaps I noticed less errors being made by Mottau during the second half of the season as opposed to the first. I distinctly recall an article written on this website named “The Resurrection of Mike Mottau” during the 2nd half of the season as well, a bright light in an otherwise dreary point from February onward. Either way, he played pretty well and he wasn’t deserving of the scapegoat label that he seemed to receive for any defensive lapses as the season progressed. I agree that I would take him over Salvador anyday.
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I second that. I would rather have Mottau then Salvador as well.
by KingHellfire on Aug 31, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Noooo
I thought Salvs was one of our best defensive defenseman.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 31, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I say we give the young guys every chance they can to have the job & then worry about bringing someone with experience to fill the hole if we half to. I personally don’t want them to go back to Mottau. It seems that he doesn’t have one real decsent asset. He’s not big enough, he gets pushed around too much in his end, he doesn’t do much offensively, & then there he is using minutes that the young guys could be using. I think that Fraser will be more prepared this year to play more & can step into his role. At laest he’s big & play’s more of a physical game. Plus who knows, maybe Eckford, Corrente, or Urbom will step in & handle things just fine. I think if you pair one young guy with a veteran to show them the ropes they sould be fine. e.g. White with Fraser, & Tallinder with Corrente/Urbom.
mottau
i agree with you completely and i also think that fraser having a one-way contract for the league minimum shows a tacit agreement with his agent that if they don’t have a spot for him on the devils—which is a real possibility if some of their young players can skate and move the puck better than fraser—than lou will make a deal for him so he can play in the NHL the way he did with sheldon brookbank…it isn’t so much that mottau is so awful, it is just that the devils have some young players at albany who have a much high ceiling that will probably show in training camp next month why they deserve a shot at making the team
by don in central jersey on Aug 29, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Mottau's one great asset is..
he’s able to do a little of everything. He’s a valuable bottom pairing D-man, especially if there are injuries.
If there comes a point where Mottau can come back
on the cheap and on the third pairing, why not have him back?
I don’t see salvador staying, so that leaves our NHL players as A, Tallinder, Greene, White, and possibly Salmela and Fraser.
A top 6 as
A- Greene
Tallinder-White
Mottau- Salmela/Fraser/Rookie
makes me feel better than
A-Greene
Tallinder-White
Salmela/Fraser-Rookie
Volchenkov
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by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad, I didn’t realize thats what you meant by A.
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by thejerseydevil on Aug 29, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When do you think Mottau will sign with a NHL team?
24-48 hours after a) the Kovalchuck signing is approved and b) Lou dumps whatever salary he needs to in order to get under the cap.
Do you think Mottau will get a contract offer in the coming month?
No. As acasser inferred in his first point above, I believe he already has an offer from Lou but they are holding off announcing it. Consider this – would dumping Salvador’s salary be easier or harder if the rest of the league knew we already had someone to take his roster spot?
Who you do you think should sign Mike Mottau.
Not necessarily should, but for all the reasons you mentioned, the Devils will, again, after the Kovy mess is cleaned up. And considering who is above him on the depth chart, it wouldn’t be a bad move, he’d be #5 at best and more likely #6.
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I keep forgetting Salmela exists...
but yeah, I don’t think Mottau is nearly as bad as most people seem to think. I actually kinda like him.
by undersuspicion426 on Aug 30, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
Well if I remember not to many complained about Mottau during and immediately after the 08-09 season. Not to mention a combined plus 28 the last two seasons he must be doing something right.
Glad to see i’m not the only one recognizing Mottau’s contributions to the team.
by KingHellfire on Aug 31, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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