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Over/under: Previewing the 2010-11 NJ Devils Season


I like to do this before the start of any training camp or season for sports and teams, so this will be the first year I post this "segment" of mine here.  I hope it catches on quickly, it's a over/under post regarding numbers, stats and predictions for the upcoming season.  Enjoy.

 

OVER or UNDER - 50 wins for the Devils.  I am actually going low on this one, I'll say UNDER, and here's why: the Eastern Conference will be stronger overall, first of all.  Teams like Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and even Florida and the Islanders are improved.  It could be argued that the Rangers and Senators took steps backwards, we'll have to wait and see.  The bottom line is, Martin Brodeur CANNOT play 75+ games anymore.  Even if he had a sub-two goals against average and shutout after shutout, Brodeur absolutely MUST be rested.  As we've pointed out in the past, in seasons where the Devils reach the Eastern Conference Finals in the Brodeur-era (including Stanley Cup finals appearances and wins), Martin Brodeur plays LESS THAN 90% of the team's games.  In seasons where Brodeur exceeds 90% (essentially 72+ games played), the Devils have never reached the conference finals.  He's not getting younger, and even if it costs the Devils a division title, Brodeur should be rested, thus I am going UNDER regarding a 50-win season.

40 goals for Zach Parise- Many people believe that since John MacLean is the new head coach, the Devils will be more offensive and naturally, Zach Parise will score more goals.  Now, that may be true, but consider this, Ilya Kovalchuk (assuming he is signed one way or another by New Jersey) logs a lot of ice time.  He averaged the longest average shift last season (somewhere around 1:05 per shift), and he is a left wing.  That may or may not affect Zach Parise's ice time, and it could also be argued that Kovalchuk on the Devils takes the weight off of Parise's shoulders to carry this team in the goal department.  I am going OVER, but I do not expect more than 40-42 goals.  He might reach 50 someday, but 2010-11 will not be that season.


25 goals from Devils' defense- This is a tricky one.  I have little reason to believe that the Devils' blueliners will have any significant increase in offensive production this season; Tallinder and Volchenkov scored a combined eight goals in 2009-10 (four each).  While Volchenkov has a somewhat heavy shot, and has shown flashes of skating abilities, he usually does not display any offensive skill, he is the shutdown defenseman, and that is his role.  Andy Greene had a breakout season last year, the question is, can he produce 35-40 points this season?  I am going UNDER 25 goals from the defense this year, not by too much, but 25 is a lot to ask of the personnel the team currently has.

70 points for Travis Zajac- In my opinion, the best from Travis Zajac has yet to come.  Last season, he had the same number of goals as Jonathan Toews (25) and finished just one point shy of Toews (67 for Zajac), while taking more shots than Toews.  Zajac has size (6'3") and is an elite two-way forward.  He has truly established himself as a number-one center on the team, and while it doesn't appear that he is ready to reach Nicklas Backstrom numbers offensively, he is still growing as a player.  I expect he will be OVER the 70-point mark this season, and probably close to 30 goals.  If he plays with Parise and Langenbrunner all season, I would think that the 2008-09 magic might come back to them.

100 goals for the Kovalchuk-Arnott-Elias [likely] line combination- I chose 100 as a round number for this trio which assumes 45 goals for Kovalchuk, 25 for Arnott and 30 for Elias.  I believe this is excessive, I am going UNDER for this particular one, and it is for a similar reason that Parise won't score 50 goals.  Ilya Kovalchuk is a shooter, and his two mock-linemates will be looking for him first.  Now he has had linemates succeed greatly with him before, center Marc Savard, but moreso Marian Hossa and Dany Heatley in the goal department.  Kovalchuk might put 50 goals up by himself, but Arnott has lost a step, 20 goals from Arnott would be a nice number assuming he picks up a nice total of assists, and 25 might be a good number for Elias, who needs to stay healthy.  Any way you look at it, 100 is a lot of goals to ask for three players.

20 games played for Mattias Tedenby, Matt Corrente and Tyler Eckford- I seperated these three from Josefson, Henrique and Urbom for different reasons.  I believe Josefson will exceed 20 games played, Henrique and Urbom will not, at least at the NHL level.  Tedenby would be most people's first choice as an injury replacement, and I think one of the two: Corrente and Eckford, will make the team out of camp, and the other will be the top injury replacement at the blue line.  For Tedenby, I will say very close to 20 games, and either Eckford or Corrente will be OVER, the other UNDER.

12 starts for Johan Hedberg- Twelve starts for Hedberg means Martin Brodeur will probably be at 70 starts barring injuries to either of them.  I would prefer Hedberg start closer to 15 or so, but realistically, twelve is a good number for Hedberg.  The bottom line is, Brodeur is THE guy in New Jersey, and if he feels good, he will be out there.  I just hope the organization is smart about him, there is no reason for him to play more than 70 games this season, unless the team is struggling to keep a playoff spot late in the season.  I can't emphasize this enough: Rest Brodeur.

191 goals against for the NJ Devils- 191 goals against is the exact total of goals allowed in 2009-10.  Now anyone's initial reaction to this might be that without Jacques Lemaire, a defense-first coach, that the Devils might allow more goals than 191, which captured the Jennings Trophy for the team last season.  Consider this, the last time the Devils allowed more than 209 team goals was 2005-06, the first season out of the lockout, when the team allowed 229 goals.  Even that team won 46 games, but none of those teams had Scott Stevens OR Anton Volchenkov on them.  Last season, allowing 191 goals, Paul Martin missed a majority of the season as well, while Andy Greene assuming #1 duties.  Now the defense has an identity.  Anton Volchenkov is a force, he is a threat, and I hardly mean offensively.  I'm talking about the presencehe brings to the Devils' blue line.  He will punish the opposing sniper if he's caught with his head down, he will block shots from anywhere and eat up big minutes.  The Devils haven't had that kind of presence since Stevens, and now the man this team needs is here.  I am going to be bold and say OVER 191, but less than 209 (highest since 05-06).  That gives me very little margin for error, but I feel confident about how the defense will turn out.

12 sellouts at the Prudential Center...for hockey in 2010-11- Of course most people who go to Devils games want to see sellouts...and then there are the people who like to pick and choose where they sit regardless of where their tickets say.  Assuming you are not the ladder option, this could be a big season for attendance.  I am going OVER 12 sellouts (2009-10 total) for the Devils (not Nets) this season at the Rock, and here's why.  I think Zach Parise and Martin Brodeur are exceptional players, both of them are too valuable to the Devils to measure, HOWEVER, this NHL revolves around 'flashy' scoring superstars.  Jeff Vanderbeek will tell you what Ilya Kovalchuk means to the Devils already.  Eight of the team's 12 sellouts came in Kovalchuk's 27 games as a Devil last season, and most other nights the arena was very close to capacity (17,625).  Vanderbeek has also said that season ticket purchases increased just after announcing the 17-year contract to Kovalchuk before its initial rejection.  Ilya Kovalchuk is the superstar people come out to see, he's absolutely dynamic, he can skate, he can shoot and he can certainly score.  Now, he's not the only reason people will come out to see Devils hockey now: Anton Volchenkov is exciting, Zach Parise has become a superstar in his own right, Jason Arnott is back in New Jersey and John MacLean is the head coach.  This season looks promising from a marketing and business perspective, now Vanderbeek better market this team as much as possible.

Average ice time of 10:00 for the 4th line - Ten minutes is a lot of time to give a fourth line, and while the Devils have been known to roll four lines and distribute ice time somewhat equally, this team is different...by being more like a 'typical NHL team.'  What that means is simply two scoring lines, a checking line and a fourth line.  The Devils' fourth line may consist of any combination of LeBlond, Pelley, Sestito, Zharkov, Vasyunov, etc., but considering the talent of the top two lines, there simply won't be time to roll four lines this season.  The third line may as well be as offensive as possible, and most NHL teams match strength against strength, and that works in the Devils' favor, as the "ZZ Pops" line matches up very well defensively against other top lines.  The Devils' fourth line will be UNDER 10 minutes of average ice time per game.

 

Feel free to add your own, this can be an open thread for over/unders.  Be reasonable, I personally feel that the numbers I threw out were realistic, at the very least possible.  Anyway, enjoy it.

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50 wins- Under, I’ll say about 48 or 49

40G from Parise- Over, With MacLean’s system like Sutters, I see Zach picking up close to 45.

25G from defense-Under, Greene has never scored 10 goals in a season and theres really no one to score those goals. I see 18 or 19 pending how good Greene actually is.

70P for Zajac- Over/Equal, I’m stuck on this. I think Travis will score atleast 25 but 30 takes away from Parise and Langenbrunner. I think and hope Travis will pick up 70 pts in the “new system” but I see 72-75 pts.

100G from K-A-E- Under, Kovalchuk will probably score 45 healthy, Arnott could put up 20 if were lucky but I see 15 more suitable. Elias maybe 27-30 pending injury.

20G from T-C-E- Tedenby I hope not because that means either Parise or Kovalchuk are injured. No on Mattias. Corrente yes. I think Salvador will be traded and Corrente will take his spot. Ranging from 50-55 games. Eckford I don’t think so. I think he’s first to call up on injury but I hope I don’t see 20 games of him.

12 starts for Moose- Over, Johnny needs to end this era. Every year Marty says when he plays. Its not good for the long run. The Devils almost made it to the 2nd round in 2008 and which I actually saw this team going deep but the defensive collapsed put that to a hault. 15 games for Moose this year.

191 GA for Defense- Under, With the addition of Volchenkov, it limits the shots when he is on the ice. So your talking about 22 minutes of “lesser shot amounts”. It helps Marty out and the entire defense when Android is on the ice.

12 Sellouts for PruCenter- Over, The team has had its best off-season I’ve seen while they were in the Rock. They brought in some key guys people know about (not Pikk and Murphy) and have adressed the fans personally. They have met with them practically everywhere so far and talked about the fans and praised them. I think the fans see that and with the potential Kovalchuks signing, it puts even more people in the stands. I talked to a lot of Devils fans last year and they said if Kovalchuk signed with the team they would buy season tickets. And these are people who never bought season tickets before.

10 minutes Ice Time for 4th line- Equal, I think the Devils have gotten the 4th line better. You got a fighter in Leblond, a gritty center in Pelley or Sestito, and a little finesse if Zharkov makes the 4th line. I see 10-11 minutes a game for those guys.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 29, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

More than 50 wins: Im going under for many of the reasons you said, plus there will be a new system in place so that may take some adjustment time.

40 goals for Parise: Ill go under, but only because Kovy will get a lot of ice time. I do think its possible though depending on how Zajac, Langs, and Parise adjust to the different style of play that is likely to come.

25 goals from D: Im going under because we picked up we were missing, a big tough D man, but we didnt get a goal scorer. Unless Greene has a monster year, I dont see it happening.

70 points for Zajac: Im going under again because I just dont see him getting the assists and goals that he would need. I wont say he wont be close, but I think he will fall short.

100 goals from Kovy line: Thats too high I think. Elias doesnt score like he used to and Arnott has lost some of his old self aswell. Kovy will put up a large number of points along with a decent amount from Arnott/Elias, but they dont get 100 goals.

12 starts for hedberg: Im going to go over because I personally believe that Lou and MacLean will hold to their idea that Hedberg will play. Im going to guess 15-20 for him.

191 goals allowed: Im going over, but not by much. We boosted the D and we still have Brode so in the new system the numbers will go up, but I dont think be much.

by Jacob Shepherd on Aug 29, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, to put in my votes:

50 wins for the Devils — Under. The Devils have made it to 51 once since the lockout, and otherwise have been somewhere in the upper 40s. I don’t buy the argument that the other teams in the conference getting stronger necessarily means the Devils’ win total will dip, but 50 is an awfully hard figure to get to, even with the shootout.

40 goals for Parise — Over, but he won’t lead the team in goals scored. A legitimate second line will deflect some attention from Zach, and I think the Devils will have a better power play this year, which leads to the goal scorers scoring more goals. Kovy will lead the team, and I think he could challenge Gionta’s team record if he’s healthy…. but Parise will return to the numbers that had him in the mid-40s two years ago. Especially if Johnny Mac settles on line combinations early on and doesn’t shuffle them every time I get up to fetch a soda.

25 goals for the D — Under. They weren’t there last year, and Paul Martin is now gone. With the Devils’ offensive talent concentrated very heavily up front, and considering the Devils will go with 4 forwards on the PP (maybe even 5 at times), I don’t see how they make it there.

70 points for Zajac — Under. Normally, I’d advocate the other side based on his ascendant growth curve, but he (and ZZ Pops) won’t be relied upon to be the entire offense this year. The presence of a second line will take pressure off him, but it also means he won’t get quite so many opportunities.

100 goals for Elias-Arnott-Kovy — Under. Way under. I think Kovy is good for 45-50 on his own. I just don’t know that Arnott and Elias put together will match that total…. and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one or both of them missed 10-20 games (or more!) with an injury — there’s a history there.

20 games played for Mattias Tedenby, Matt Corrente and Tyler Eckford — I don’t see Mattias Tedenby in the NHL this season, because I don’t see where he’d play even if Zubrus is moved…. so that’s an Under in my book. I think one of Corrente or Eckford will make the team out of training camp and play the requisite number, and one will spend most of the season at Albany. So one is an Under, and one is an Over, but I couldn’t tell you which will be which.

12 Starts for Hedberg — Over. I think the Devils are finally serious about cutting back Marty’s workload a little bit…. and he looked considerably more fresh coming out of the Olympics last year after Luongo supplanted him as Canada’s #1. I think Hedberg starts 15-17 games, and Brodeur is trimmed to 65-67. I hope the Devils even make a point of not starting Brodeur in both ends of a back-to-back.

191 goals against — Over. The blue line is better defensively and physically, but the goalies are a year older. While I think Kovalchuk will buy into the system and the team game and won’t be a goal-hanging liability in the defensive zone, he isn’t as polished and practiced in that part of his game. I worry a little bit about the Devils’ second line (Elias and Arnott with Kovy) and how they’ll be in the defensive zone — we know Elias is good, but I have reservations about the others.

12 sellouts for hockey — Over. Opening night is a lock, and I think you’re all-but-guaranteed to have a half dozen from the Rangers and Flyers games. That leaves six in the remaining 34 home dates, which I think is easy enough to reach…. especially given some teams (Toronto, Montreal) travel very well and bring busloads of fans to games, and the Prudential Center is a terrific place to watch a game. Fan clubs would come here as opposed to going somewhere like Nassau Mausoleum.

Average ice time of 10:00 for the 4th line — Not a snowball’s chance in…. (i.e., Under) I think the top two lines get 18-22 minutes apiece on any given night, which leaves at most 24 minutes. If your third line is Rolston-Anonymous-Clarkson, they’ll get rolled on a regular basis as well. Beyond that, the fourth line isn’t going to play a lot in a game that is weighed down by penalties and whistles — they won’t get PP time, and you’ll have one guy (at most) who draws regular PK duties.

by acasser on Aug 29, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

If your third line is Rolston-Anonymous-Clarkson, they’ll get rolled on a regular basis as well.

I hope it’s Josefson filling that void. Didn’t he play for a “checking” line in the Swiss Elite league? As an 18 year old? It’s a long shot, but Clarkson and Rolston are above average defensively, and since Josefson has described himself more as a set up man, why not pair him with the strongest (albeit seeming less accurate) shot and a guy who’s offensive potential is budding?

by skly27 on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lou has been saying he wants rookies on the team, Josefson makes the most sense. Maybe he won’t be up until December, because he hasn’t played NHL rink-size yet, but I believe he’ll be there sooner than later.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Under 50 wins. It’ll take a while for the team to get used to Johnny Mac’s new style and for all the new players to gel. Probably end up over 45 wins.

Over 40 goals for Zach. New style of play, including a better powerplay with Adam Oates running it, should result in more points for Zach.

Under 25 goals for the defense. Greene will be the only player that even has the potential to score more than 10 goals and we don’t know if he will. Too many stay at home defensemen on the team.

Over 70 points for Zajac. Increased production from Parise lends itself to increasing the point total for anyone on the ice with him.

Under 100 goals for Arnott-Elias-Kovalchuk. Kovy should have at least 40, especially good powerplay numbers, but Arnott is getting old and Elias hasn’t played a full season in a while. I think 80-90 is what we can expect.

Under 20 games for all of them unless there is a big injury on the team. Fraser seems more likely to get the last spot on the defense.

Over 12 starts for Hedberg. People believe that Hedberg is a great backup, so I don’t see anyone feeling nervous about letting him get his starts. I say Hedberg gets at least 15 starts.

Over 191 goals allowed. The new style will require some getting used to, and more aggressive play may result in a few mistakes and more allowed. I still think the gap between goals allowed and goals scored will widen since it looks like the offense will be better.

Over 12 sellouts. Kovalchuk + more goals scored = more ticket sales/sellouts.

Under 10 minutes for the 4th line. The only place I could see the 4th line getting extra time would be on the penalty kill to let the top lines rest, but that’s only if they prove they can handle the job.

by njdss4 on Aug 30, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

50 wins- Barely under. They’ve only cracked 50 wins once since the lockout, despite superb regular seasons. I think they’ll get off to a slow start as they integrate a lot of new faces to the lineup.

40G from Parise- Over. I think without Kovalchuk, he just reaches 40. With Kovalchuk, defenses will be less able to focus on Parise. I see 45 goals for Zach and better assist numbers this season as Zajac continues to develop – I think he has a real shot at hitting the 100pt mark.

25G from defense – Under, but I think some of these defensemen might have better offensive years than they’re used to. The opposition’s focus on our wingers will open up opportunities for the defensemen to step in and score.

70P for Zajac- Barely over. I think he notches 50 assists and in the low 20s for goals.

100G from K-A-E- Under, mostly because I don’t think the odds are great that Arnott and Elias manage to go injury-free.

20GP from T-C-E- Over. I think the only way one of Corrente or Eckford don’t make the team is if Urbom beats them out of camp, and they’ll certainly be the first callups in case of injury. I think Tedenby also gets called up for injury. I’d actually expect 40+ combined from these three guys. Injuries are just inevitable.

12 starts for Moose- Under. I’ll see it when I believe it. There’s also always the possibility that Moose gets injured.

191 GA for Defense- Over. I think the team will take more chances offensively, I think the loss of Paul Martin hurts a lot, and I think the defense doesn’t really jell until the second half of the season.

12 Sellouts for PruCenter- Over. This team is sexier with Kovalchuk and Volchenkov, and I think the team will market Parise and Kovalchuk more heavily than we’ve ever seen in the Lamoriello era.

10 minutes Ice Time for 4th line- Under. This team will have a lot of scoring depth on the top 3 lines. I think the drop-off in talent when you go from the 3rd line to the 4th line is huge. You’re going from Rolston-Zubrus/Josefson-Clarkson to PL3-Pelley-Zharkov. If the lines shake out the way a lot of us think they do, I think ZZPops gets 18-19 a night with PP and PK time, KAE also gets 18-19 with lots of PP time, the 3rd line gets 15-16 min with PK time, and the 4th line gets 7-8 min a night.

by dr(d)evil on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

50 Wins – Under. Yeah, we’ve gotten better. Even splitting with the Penguins puts them at 45 over last season.

Parise 40 goals – Over, not even close. Everybody expects Kovy to be the goal scoring leader. Nope, Zach will threaten the club record.

25 G from D – Under. 15 G would have been a more challenging threshold.

Zajac 70 points – Over. He’ll benefit from Parise’s lighting it up.

K-A-E 100 Goals – Under. I don’t think they’ll spend the whole season together. Things are too fluid, injury possibilities, etc.

20 Games for TCE – Over on all three counts. The Devils will need quite a few smaller salaried players with Kovy on board.

Hedberg 12 starts – Over. This will be the year that the “Marty won’t play every game” actually happens.

191 GA – Under. Teams will definitely have a hard time keeping the puck in the Devils zone.

12 sellouts – Over. 3 reasons. Ko, Val, and Chuk.

4th line 10 minutes – Over. The Devils had 12 forwards with over 10 minutes with 40 or more games last season according to behindthenet. 4 of which spent significant time on the 4th line. No reason to believe that will change.

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by FrankG929 on Aug 30, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Over 50 wins. The Devils will be the best team in the East next year.

Parise will be over 40 goals

Under 25 goals for the D

Zajac will be over 70 pts for sure. He’ll probably have around 50 assists next year

I think Kovy Arnott and Elias will be slighty under 100 goals together.

Hedberg will be over 12 games probably around 15

Slighty over 191 goals probably somewhere between 200-210

Over 12 sellouts

The 4th line will be over 10 mins. Probably no higher than 11 mins per game though

by C.J. Richey on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

50 Wins – Under but not by much. We have a good team put together but the Atlantic is stronger; east in general is stronger.

Parise 40 goals – Over, had it not been for the Olympic break and Kovy coming and causing Lemaire to mess around with lines Parise could have easily put up 40+. This season he is entering his prime and I could very well see 45 goals.

25 goals from D – Under, unless Scott Niedermayer returns, 25 is too high. I could see the D putting up 20 though.

K-A-E – 100 goals. Under. I can see Kovy putting up around 45 goals. Elias and Arnott matching that.

Zajac 70 points – Over. Quality 2 way player on the rise. Last year he showed he could put up numbers without haven’t to play every minute with Parise. This year I could see him putting up 75 points.

T-C-E 20 games- Tedenby – under he is too small for the 3rd line and I think a year in Albany subbing in occasionally will do him good. Corrente – over, I think that he will make the team. He has a great point shot and is a great skater. E – Under I don’t think that their is room on the roster for him yet but he will fill in for some games.

Moose 12 starts – Over. Marty is the best goaltender of all time but he is aging and I would rather see him at his top come playoff time and see the Moose play a few games.

191 GA – Over. We don’t have one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time coaching anymore. Although I see more goals scored than last year being greater than the goals let in.

12 sellouts – Over. There has been a lot of interest sparked with the Devils over the off season. Kovy is bound to bring in crowds.

10 min. for 4rth line. Under I see the First and second line eating up a lot of time. And then the third taking up much of the remainder.

by devsfan9 on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

50 WINS – UNDER. Despite some of the dominant teams they’ve put on the ice over the years, they’ve only won more than 49 games in a season once. Only a few teams each year manage to win more than 50 games and they’re rarely in the Atlantic Division — the last team to do it was the Devils two years ago, and the previous team in the division to do it was the 93-94 Rangers (and that includes calculating the 94-95 Flyers out to a full 82 games).

ZP 40G – OVER. 45 two years ago and 38 last year. With an improved second line (regardless of the outcome with Kovalchuk) to help alleviate some of the defensive pressure on him, and it being a contract year, I think he breaks 40.

25G FROM D – UNDER. Greene is the best offensive dman the team has, and his breakout year was 6 goals. As currently constituted, 25 is a lot to ask.

TZ 70 POINTS – OVER. He had a bit of a sophomore slump, but he’s gotten better every year he’s been in the league and his growing point totals reflect that. He was just shy of 70 points last season under Lemaire, and there’s no reason to believe he’s at his ceiling just yet. Plus, I think the PP will be better this season and he’ll benefit.

100 GOALS FOR KAE LINE – UNDER. Distinctly possible, but I’m wary that as of this writing Kovalchuk isn’t even on the team. Add in the possibility of injuries (Arnott has a history of concussions and Elias has missed at least a handful of games every year since 03-04), and I think 100 is a reach.

20GP for MT, MC & TE – UNDER, OVER, UNDER. I don’t think Tedenby and Eckford are ready. Corrente is closer to being ready, has some NHL experience already and is more of what the team needs… and so I think would be called up sooner for spot duty than either of the other two.

12 STARTS FOR JH – PUSH. I think he gets exactly 12, meaning he’ll earn $125k per start.

191 GA – OVER. The new system, rookie coach, player turnover, new rule promoting teams to finish a game before it goes to the SO and the general improvement of some of the bottom feeders within the conference lead me to believe more goals will be scored against the team this season.

12 SELLOUTS – OVER? Complete guess at this one. I figure the 6 home games against the Rangers and Flyers are guaranteed sellouts; and between promotions and matinee games they can manage another 6.

10TOI 4TH LINE – UNDER. You go to the energy line when the team needs a spark or to give everyone else a rest. I think that the team has the depth to roll three lines, thus reducing the need for either of those things. There may be games here and there where they get more than 10 minutes, but on the season I think it will be less.

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

If I recall, I saw something (maybe on here) saying the Devils have sold out ONE Flyers game since the Rock opened…Opening Night last year.

Last season however, the Nashville game sold out, most Islander games sell out, Buffalo sold out last year…

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about 1 game. You have a majority of Devils fans coming to a rivalry game mostly on Fridays or weekend games and you have Flyers fans coming up. Unless most Devils Flyers games were on Tuesdays or Wednesdays I think they sold out more then one.

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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not 100% sure about that, but if I had to bet, I would say it was pretty low.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was one. October 3rd.

Of note, however, is that one of the three home games against Philly was amid that massive snowstorm we had in February and only 5580 people showed up.

By my count there were 15 sellouts last season. 6 were BK (Before Kovalchuk); one was a Rags game, the other five were against Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Montreal and LA.

There were also four games BK that were within about 100 people of selling out, so I think 12 is doable considering the increased effort by the NJD marketing department.

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to the Devils’ website (it might have been NJ.com or Fire and Ice), there were four sellouts before the Kovy trade (the Montreal game was not sold out and neither was LA), and eight after the trade.

Twelve is simply the total number of sellouts according to attendance trackers on NHL.com. That’s why I said over/under: 12.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What accounts for the discrepancy and which is more reliable?

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I don’t know which is a science, but I do remember checking the box score after both Montreal games – neither was packed. The first game was a weekday, and it was around 13,000 people. The second one was a weekend and closer to 16,500 or something like that, the LA game was a late afternoon I believe and was close to capacity, but not quite.

I wasn’t at either of those games, but I was at the Nashville game, and that game was stuffed. So off the top of my mind, I can think of two out of three NYI games were sold out, all three Ranger games, one Flyers game, ALL three Penguins games, the Nashville game and I think the Toronto game (Ilya’s NJ debut) was sold out, plus the last game of the season against Buffalo. That makes 12 exactly. I’m not saying I got all of them right (I was at both Boston games, they were close to sold out if not sold out as well), but I think that’s pretty close.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to NHL.com

there were 15 games with 17,625 tickets sold. Bold post-Kovy

Apr 11 ’10 BUF
Apr 10 ’10 NYI
Apr 02 ’10 CHI
Mar 25 ’10 NYR
Mar 20 ’10 STL
Mar 17 ’10 PIT
Mar 12 ’10 PIT
Mar 10 ’10 NYR
Feb 12 ’10 NSH

Jan 31 ’10 LAK
Jan 22 ’10 MTL
Dec 30 ’09 PIT
Dec 05 ’09 DET
Oct 05 ’09 NYR
Oct 03 ’09 PHI

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by FrankG929 on Aug 31, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t know that. Figured the proximity would lend itself to invaders filling out the arena.

Well, at the least, there might be more people interested in seeing some potential revenge this year.

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might…. if the start time for Devils-Flyers games were 7:30 start times. If you assume that most fans are still working stiffs, and desperate to keep their jobs, it probably is very difficult to ask your boss to take off an hour early to drive to Newark for a hockey game. Even if you can get it, do you wish to cash in your “brownie points” for that when you might really need them down the line? (say, for a family emergency)

I’ve driven from Newark (ok, Livingston/Roseland/Short Hills) to central Philadelphia several times in the course of my work. When there isn’t a lot of traffic to worry about, it is still pretty close to a two hour drive. Add in rush hour around Philly, and the mess that is trying to drive and park in Newark on a busy game night, and I imagine it becomes two and a half hours, maybe three. Even if you sneak out the side door of work near Philly at 4:50, you’re still going to miss a good chunk of the first period. With prices being what they are for hockey tickets, I don’t know that you could then justify paying that (and parking, and concessions, and tolls) for less than the full sixty.

by acasser on Aug 31, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

One is a Saturday matinee, one is on a Thursday @ 7pm and the other a Friday @ 7pm.

The Matinees usually do well to begin with, as parents can take their kids (though I don’t know who’d want to ruin their experience and take their kids to be around a bunch of Flyers fans), and the Friday night games usually do pretty well also.

Not everyone has a 9-5 schedule, or a Monday-Friday workweek for that matter; and many have understanding bosses or flexible schedules or lots of vacation time. Regardless, only one of the three sold out last year (though one was all but snowed out), so it’s probably unrealistic to expect all three to sell out this year (at least being rounded out by Flyers fans).

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The direct Philly to Penn Station rail line should alter some of those numbers as well. I have friends from Philly, and they came up last year for a Devils/Flyers game. Problem is at 11pm, there was no direct rail back during the week, they had to train to Newark and board a new train (strange I know). But if the rail line extends to late night during the week, you will see more Flyers fans at The Rock this season.
Also, the more people recognize that the arena in Newark isnt ‘that bad’ of an area, the more outsiders will travel to get to it.

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by Skuba7 on Aug 31, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly fans still ruin the experience for me haha

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t go to Rangers games for that reason.

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you won’t, who will?

Take a group, make a day of it. I try to do that, although I haven’t been to a Rangers-Devils game in a few years.

We should gather an In Lou We Trust group with friends and anyone we can put a Devils jersey on to those games. If we don’t put those tickets on sale (i.e. stubhub), Ranger and Flyers fans can’t get it.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea

How about we all chip in 500 bucks and buy 2/3 of the arena when we play the Rangers and Flyers??!!!
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by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 31, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should clarify I guess… I would on my own or with a buddy or whatever, but I wouldn’t take my wife again or expose my children to that. It ruins the experience.

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by elesias on Aug 31, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know…I’m just saying…

My point is, once those tickets get re-sold, they’re anyone’s tickets. The good news is even though Kovy isn’t signed yet, season ticket sales are up according to Vanderbeek, and if things get rolling, then advertising opportunities open up, Devils get more air time if they are viewed at as a “flashy” offense, and the wheel keeps rolling.

Sounds simple, doesn’t it?! I’m looking forward to seeing Vanderbeek’s idea for the hotel on the Penn Station side of the PruCenter.

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by DownGoesAvery on Aug 31, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, taking children wearing Devils merchandise at MSG is a no-no. For me, I go to MSG to watch the Rangers play any team I have a jersey for (pretty much all of them) with my Ranger friends and tick everyone off. Its fun for me, but I enjoy antagonizing Ranger fans. I certainly wouldnt suggest it for most people.

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by Skuba7 on Sep 1, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Devils fans need to be there. After all, it is very close, plus Devils fans take over the dump over in LI three times a year, why not the Garden?!

Maybe the Rangers fall back, which they just might this year, and the Devils win the season series for 9 straight years again (after losing the season series decisively in 07-08, the Devils were 3-3-0 in 08-09 and 3-2-1 in 09-10). What I bet many people forget (or maybe not) is that the Devils lead the all-time series…

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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 1, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Devils are 76-66-21-7 (W-L-T-OTL/SOL) all-time against the Rangers, however the Devils have scored 527 goals against NYR while allowing 543.

In New Jersey, the Devils lead 55-37-4-3, while bearing a 33-45-17-4 record at MSG.

These stats are al via speakingofthedevils.com

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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 1, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

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