No Decision: NHL and PA Extend Deadline on Ilya Kovalchuk Contract to Friday
Last Friday, the New Jersey Devils submitted a contract with Ilya Kovalchuk to the NHL offices. According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, in Article 11.5(d), the NHL has 5 days to approve or reject the contract. I've discussed this yesterday, and there was discussion and anticipation all day today, hockey fans were awaiting some kind of conclusion. Today would be the fifth day. The decision was essentially simple for the NHL: accept the contract or reject the contract. Yes or no.
I'll be brief: This is garbage. It's just about excremental as it just stinks all the way around.
Let's me ask some difficult questions.
First, the NHL took a whopping one day to reject the first contract the Devils submitted in July. One day. Maybe not even 24 hours. Still, it was a pretty quick decision. Ergo, it's not like it takes a while for contracts to be reviewed for acceptance or rejection. What makes this deal that much more difficult to decide upon?
Second, Bill Daly was willing to tell me of all people that they made it clear to the clubs what they would allow in future registered comments. Surely, if the league made it clear to the clubs what would and would not be accepted, then a decision should be easy to make, right? So what's the hold up? Did this deal do something the NHL didn't even consider? Or did the NHL never really made it all that clear to begin with, and Daly was just blowing smoke?
Third, the union decided to lie down for the league in allowing this extension. I'm presuming they could have said no to an extension, and forced a decision. Why would the union do this at all? What does the PA get out of extending the deadline? How is one of their constituents, much less the entire New Jersey Devils squad, helped by having to wait even longer for a decision to be made?
In fact: Why the NHL even needs this much time? Are they still looking for something to "catch" the Devils or Kovalchuk on in this contract to justify a rejection? Are they honestly divided upon what to do with the deal? Are they just making a point other that the NHL is more than willing to be publicly petulant and bush-league? Are they even aware that a lot of Devils fans now justifiably feel that the league has it in for them in that they aren't doing anything like this to other teams who have similar contracts?
At least Lou is confident, given this statement from the official website. But I can't imagine he's happy either.
There better be something incredibly valid to force the league to sit on this deal for a whole week. I have a feeling we will all be disappointed (and outraged) when the reasoning is revealed - if it is ever revealed.
For a situation that required a yes or a no, the NHL chose to stretch this out. Why? I couldn't tell you. I'd love to tell you an answer but there isn't one at the moment. I'd be honestly surprised if I get an answer to any of these questions. Admittedly, I'm further sick of rumors and speculation and rationalization and reports from "sources" and other news that turned out to be mistaken. We were supposed to have something today and at the end, the NHL chose to wait some more. We're now supposed to get a decision by Friday; but honestly, I don't know why I should put faith in the league making one by then.
Thanks for reading all the same. Please leave your thoughts in the comments, remember the rules are in effect, and someone let me know when the excuses start rolling in from the league and/or the union.
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The NHL needs circus music backing up their pressers from now on.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
I think the Benny Hill theme would be quite fitting for pretty much all of their front office decisions.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Sep 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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by FrankG929 on Sep 1, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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I wish I were surprised....
But I’m not.
You can’t make this stuff up, because no one would believe you.
Well, at least it sounds like...
when all this nonsense is over Kovalchuk will be a devil for a cap hit the devils can deal with.. that part is at least encouraging.
The NHL is a farce
Im waiting for Friday to come around and hear from the NHL that the deal is rejected with information they came across from now until Friday 5pm. How can a deadline be extended when the contract itself CANNOT be adjusted in any way shape or form from what was submitted Friday? Seems to me that this extension means the NHL really wants to reject this contract, has yet to find a valid enough reason, and cringes at the thought of being ‘forced’ to reject previously registered contracts of others such as Luongo, Hossa and Pronger.
I for one, am fed up. I’m going back to VHS tapes of the Devils 1995 Stanley Cup run.
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello
Seriously, I think they’ve always had something against us. But anyone who has written it off as pure conspiracy should take a hard look at this entire situation. Given everything that’s happened and the way that it’s happened, it’s not out of line to think they just don’t want such a high profile player on a team that isn’t the Penguins, Blackhawks, Rangers, or Red Wings.
This entire situation is already a gigantic crap salad. To sprinkle on the bacon bits of convincing the NHLPA to push a legally binding deadline back two days is enough, but to then reject the contract after all of this would vault this situation into some brand new level of insane that would seriously make me question how this is allowed to be reality.
Dear Brian Rolston, please waive your no trade clause and leave New Jersey. Love, everyone.
We will approve it but............
I think the league has a minor problem with something in the contract, however they are willing to let the parties (Kovy/Devs) rework it. If PA forces the NHL’s hand today they would reject it and thus start arbitration at which the Devs do not have the time to do with camp in 16 days. THe NHL is willing to let them fix minor problem. I really do not believe the NHL wants to lose KOVY to KHL.
I like...
I am not one to say much on here but I do agree with Devils63. We are all trying to figure out some unknown reason for such a delay.
We (the devils faithful) are obviously (and justifiably) upset with this delay, mostly because we are sick of all the false rumors and the waiting. It is easy to understand why we would jump out and say that the league has got it out for us. If the league did delay this result for the sole purpose of costing the Devils more time to figure out the rest of their offseason moves the NHLPA would explode. Im thinking they too want this whole mess out of the way (not to mention Kovy staying in the NHL) and they have been having their “secret meetings” with the NJDs to just make sure any issues with the contract are completely ironed out before it is submitted. Perhaps they noticed a little issue and gave the NJDs a chance to fix it. Am I thinking right or is this another unicorn?
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by MikePelusoTears on Sep 1, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a unicorn per se, but I don’t think the NHL can ask for changes even if they wanted them. They have to accept or reject the contract submitted. It’s that simple, hence, my frustration.
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Perhaps....
…. ESPN would like to give Bettman, Bill Daly, et al a one-hour block of time from 4 PM to 5 PM on Friday afternoon, so that we can have the proper showcase with which to end this drama. Bettman can announce that “he’s taking his talents to South Beach”, Scott Burnside or some other suck-up can do a fluff interview, and the world can give a collective yawn before going back to sleep. Maybe they could even let the NHL sell the advertising for the hour, and donate the collective $4.42 to some (un)worthy cause.
Alright, I’ll put a stop to the over-the-top sarcsasm now.
Devils63 may be right. I want to scream out in anger, but should probably take a few deep breaths. My only concern with this idea is why the anouncement wouldn’t simply state that time was needed to reqork the deal. I think this is another bad omen for the NHLPA. Fehr was involved in the arbitration case and he is officially acting now and it still seems like the PA is incredibly weak.
John, I’ll be quick as well: this is ABSOLUTELY asinine. The league is making themselves out to be a JOKE. Management is an absolute disgrace to its players, owners and managers. They clearly don’t need another two days to read the 11-page contract, hell, if that was my job, if I was assigned to the Kovalchuk contract, I would have it done within 5 days, I guarantee that.
Aside from the obvious, I just can’t figure out what this means. If the league truly wanted to stall the Devils and didn’t care about their “power,” and it doesn’t seem like they care about anything, then they would have REJECTED this contract with absolutely no reason given whatsoever, and then LOST the arbitration hearing.
So, NHL, what’s next? Reject the contract on Friday? WHAT POINT are they trying to get across? That they have lazy, pathetic people managing the National Hockey League? Is that what they’re trying to prove? You know what’s even MORE pathetic? The state of the NHLPA. What are they thinking extending this decision? They need to step up and take a stand, because the league is absolutely dominating the union right now.
Yankees in baseball, Giants in football and Devils in hockey. It's that simple. I have no off-season.
A few thoughts...
What if the league and the NHLPA need the extension to work on rule changes to make contracts such as this illegal?
The NHLPA wants this and previous contracts to be approved/upheld, and the NHL wants to prevent future contracts from becoming even more egregious and completely destroying the point of a cap.
What if the league and NHLPA are working out an agreement that would set term limits, prevent front-loading on future contracts, but would grandfather in the previous contracts (including Kovalchuk’s). In a sense, the NHL would be saying, “We’ll approve this contract and drop all these other investigations, if you agree to such and such set of rules limiting term length and front-loading contracts”
In this case, the extra 2 days would be to work out the specifics of the new rules.
I may be wrong, but for the life of me I can’t think of any other way the NHLPA would benefit from agreeing to extend the decision.
Listen, whatever hasn’t been worked out by now is either not getting worked out or will be addressed in the next CBA.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OUTRAGE
This is a prime example of why people laugh at me when I say, ‘I don’t like baseball, I am a hockey fan." This summer has demonstrated the worst case of free agent brouhaha I have ever witnessed. I had a long discussion with a friend about how LeBron James’ free agent circus was perpetrated not by James, but by ESPN and the NBA, who relished in their sport being the center of attention for as many weeks. I would have been willing to argue that this Kovalchuk saga was a similar ploy to steal ratings and interest in a down time for sports. I am now willing to refrain from those comments. The newest twist in this long sad tale leaves me feeling stupid and outraged! How could all of the parties involved allow this to occur? At the beginning of free agency it was discussed that Ilya Kovalchuk could be “Arguably the most valuable unrestricted free agent in NHL history — especially when you account for age and talent …” The ensuing months saw less than a handful of NHL teams interested in adding Kovalchuk. When an NHL team finally submitted a deal for this amazing player, the NHL rejected it. These results lead me to believe that Kovalchuk has become the poor monkey in the middle between the NHL and the NHLPA. It appears that the NHL and Lou Lamorillo have targeted Kovalchuk as the measuring stick that will determine what should be a legal contract in the NHL in the coming years. It’s not right, it’s not fair, and I wouldn’t blame Kovalchuk for saying to the Devils and especially the NHL, “To hell with you guys, I’m going to Russia.”
I will always be a fan of the Devils and of the sport of hockey, but why should I support a league that has consistently made bad decisions and has made a mockery of it’s contracts with it’s unionized players?
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by Michael Gianetti on Sep 1, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
You hit the nail on the head there. I really feel for Ilya. He’s been USED by the league, by the union, and by the New Jersey Devils organization. But you know who else has been used in all of this? Devils fans. Hockey fans, and maybe even other GMs. Dean Lombardi threw a contract at Ilya, but that looked like a comic compared to Lou’s lucrative offers.
As a fan, I am angered at the Devils, the league and the union. There is no excuse for this “mockery” EVER. There is a season to be played in a little over a month, and Ilya, who has TRIED time after time to stay in the NHL, would be better off leaving the disgraces behind and going to a different league for a year. You cannot blame Ilya for being greedy and getting out of here. Was he greedy initially for setting the bar so high? Well, maybe, but he tested the waters and things got out of control. Is Jay Grossman to blame? Maybe, but still, Grossman gets deals done, he got two done with NJ already this off-season (Hedberg and A-Train).
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What is also funny is that the NHL chose to bend the rules in that his first contract appeared to circumvent the cap.
Now they want to go outside the rules in waiting until Friday to make a decision. We have already touched on the similar contracts they honored for other teams. What a joke.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth be told, I don’t think you can blame the Devils or Kovalchuk/Grossman here. They worked out a deal with Ilya, was forced to watch it get voided as they could do nothing about the arbitration, and then come up with another one. Ilya wanted money, the Devils were willing to give it to them, and the only one crying foul is the same entity holding all of this up: the NHL.
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I can almost unanimously agree with you John but the fact that the Devils held that ridiculous press conference, and with the comments made by Lou, this all leaves me feeling uneasy about the Devils role in this mess. Kevin Sellathamby wrote this great article in which he asks: “What if Lou intentionally signed the deal knowing it would get rejected?” I say it is a valid point to pursue, because if that did happen to be the case, then Kovalchuk and his fans had been wronged. Not just because the deal was submitted, but also because it was celebrated in the form of a meaningless press conference. The answer to this mystery will likely never be known, but if one would assume that Lou is fighting against front loaded contracts and the inadequacy of the CBA by making one of his own, I for one would not be pleased.
I agree that the NHL has not made this easy for anyone. I would imagine also that the players union has also had a hard time taking firm positions when there is such chaos among it’s leadership. This is the basis of my thesis. These two bodies need to get there act together and stop making a mockery of what should be a simple process, i.e. signing one of your most talented free agents to an NHL contract.
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by Michael Gianetti on Sep 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was trying to make excuses, the bottom line is the league is wrong and the PA is helpless.
I guess Lou must feel humbled, he’s never NOT been able to pull something like this off. It’s unbelievable. Today really looks like a dark day with the CBA expiring relatively soon. It looks more and more unlikely that the PA gets any benefits…
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we really be expected to believe anything else but the fact that the league really DOES have it in for the Devils? This will go down as the most ridiculous contract approval/rejection process in the history of the NHL, and maybe all of professional sports. I was thinking of calling this a “Comedy of Errors”, but then I realized this was never funny.
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Can they do this?
Lets say a player and team dislike a contract, but it has 2 years left. The team wants to make it more cap friendly. The league would not allow them to change the legally binding agreement.
Now the NHL and NHLPA did not like the 5 day time table; does that give them the right to change it just because they both want to?
I don’t think so. The NHL can only decide upon the contract submitted as-is. TG confirmed this on Twitter.
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I honestly question the legality of this move
Doesn’t the CBA have to be ratified by the players themselves? And the CBA specifically documents the approval period. How can the NHLPA even have the authority to extend it?
So that is question 1
The even bigger issue is that there is talk of amending this CBA – again, I ask how is that possible without explicit approval from the players? To me it would be total BS if I were a player whose contract was up next year and suddenly the loophole was closed. How can the PA even do that – wouldn’t they have to bring it to a vote of the players.
I hate to blow this up even further, but this whole thing is just un american. We have the rule of law here. This just seems like a dictatorship with three guys deciding how things will be.
by Devilssection21fan on Sep 1, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
question 1
The NHLPA has all the authority. The full title of the document is:
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT
BETWEEN NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE AND
NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE PLAYERS’ ASSOCIATION
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I should have clarified
Yes, of course the NHLPA “in sum” has the authority, but does the Executive Director by themselves. The management of the NHLPA only does the legwork on the contract. The contract itself is only enforceable because the players ratified it. The players did not ratify changing the approval timetable from 5 days to 7 days.
Perhaps the NHLPA governance allows the Exec Director some latitude. But I cannot believe he can amend material terms of the contract without a full player vote.
by Devilssection21fan on Sep 1, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
CBA Circumvention!
7 days does not fit into the pre-approved and negotiated 5-day window. As far as I have understood, when the NHL says nothing about a contract, its registered. As long as this whole saga has been ridiculous, why not continue with status quo, finally allow the contract to be registered, then come back a few days later and either reject it, or come up with a new, agreed-upon rule pertaining to these contracts in the future. Why does this contract need to be held up in order to make those things happen?
"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello
There just looking for something to reject. And they probably will. Why would they wait an entire week just to accept it? I don’t have a good feeling about this one bit. Not to sound like a beaten horse but what if Crosby or Ovechkin were involved with this? The “stars” and it seems only marketable players in the entire league had a low cap hit for 15 years. What would the league do? They would accept it on the 2nd day. This contract though, takes a week to look at AFTER Lou and others took the time and went to the NHL Offices in NY to work out a deal that would fit each others demands. Its complete BS garbage. The NHL needs to be wrong on this instead of always trying to win. The Devils took a higher cap hit and shortened the years. Isn’t that with Bloch wanted? Or do you fellas make up the rules as you go? I would love to hear someone answer those questions from the NHL. Unbelieveable.
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by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 1, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Age?
Kovy will be 44 before the NHL puts their collective asses in gear and approves the contract, or, he will be 44 and enjoying retirement after playing in the KHL. It seems like they want to do the old “2 steps forward, 1 step back” moves…..when they start to gain some credibilty as a sport, they pull a move like this!
If I were Ilya Kovalchuk
I would take a full-page ad out in the Ledger stating
To the Devils Fans, Players and Management.
Thank you for the short time I was in New Jersey. You are a first class organization, with first class facilities, fans, players and management. It was my desire to be a New Jersey Devil for the remember of my career.
Instead the league, aided and assisted by a completely inept Players Association, prevented me from doing such.
So it is with regret, that I must sign a contract with the KHL. I once thought the NHL was the peak of professional hockey. I now know, that why most of the best players in the world play here, the league is run in a Mickey Mouse organization unbecoming its members.
Until that changes, I thank you for your welcome while I was here.
Best wishes
Ilya Kovalchuk.
PS: Hope to see in Sochi in 2014.
I get back and the big news is that the NHL needs another two days?
Ugh.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 1, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome to the party!
That never ends
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 1, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we name it Gary?
He sees the shadow but then rejects it and says 6 more weeks of Ilya!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 1, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec’d.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 1, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
4 rec's thanks guys
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Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 1, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Murray, Bill Daly, hmmmmm
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More like Animal House!
Dean Vernon Wormer-Bettman & Greg Marmalard-Daly have put the Devils on “DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION”…..
This is worse than a soap opera story line. I almost expect the NHL to announce at 4:59 on Friday they have reached a decision. Tune in Monday to find out what it is.
Here’s my proposal. Since the league needed 2 extra days to review the contract, I think it is only fair to give the Devils 2 extra days to get under the salary cap once they get a Kovy contract approved. (And I think they WILL get a Kovy contract. I think Lou is on a mission at this point.)
NHLPA – When the league asks for another extension (which I have no doubt they will), tell them to forget it. I see the league trying to drag this out to the eve of the regular season, approving the contract, and then trying to penalize the Devils for being over the cap after the start of the season. (Beginning to sound like a Florida recount all over again.)
by newjerseydevil on Sep 1, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Naaaaah
Soap operas are scripted. Nobody has the imagination necessary to have written this beforehand.
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Business impact
Overlooked in the length of this situation has been the negative impact on marketing and season ticket sales. After that press conference I thought the organization turned a corner and could start a real marketing effort in regards to having some young marquee players.
Not only is that being delayed (or worse essentially killed by the circus like atmosphere), our ability to construct a roster based on financial composition is being severely jeopardized. Time and desirable solutions are running out. Also, by making this debacle so public, there are positions being taken by teams which may limit the amount of partners willing to do business with us now.
We can’t fight city hall…
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by st.pattysdaymassacre26 on Sep 1, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Why do I doubt that this would happen to Detroit....
Anyone notice how Detroit is the only team with two of these contracts that the NHL despises, and yet is the only team with a front loaded contract that isn’t being investigated. This is bush league mickey mouse crap. They say don’t criticize unless you can do better, well I know, with my complete lack of professional experience in the field that I could do a better job than the NHL or the NHLPA if you would allow me to hire a team of chimpanzees to help with the public relations department.
And why did the Players union consent to give the NHL two more days? My only guess could be that the NHL threatened to reject the contract right then if they didn’t let the NHL ignore the deadline in the CBA. The NHLPA should hire the head of the electrical workers union for some pointers…
Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it seems like playing the rules to the edge is fine for other teams until the Devils do it. The trap, the trapezoid, Ilya’s contract, we weren’t the first team to do any of the conduct that bothered the NHL, but they never jump into action until we do and succeed as we so often do.
by SlimJims on Sep 1, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NHLPA complicit?
John – as much as I agree with the vitriol toward the league I also have to wonder if the PA is doing the process a disservice. I can see a situation where the PA wants the investigations into the other deals (Hossa et al) completed and the league is using these investigations as leverage against the PA in the current negotiation.
While this really should be an up or down vote on the Kovalchuk contract, it has morphed into something akin to a US Congress spending bill where other amendments are tacked on to the main bill.
For instance. in additon to Kovy’s contract, the PA as I stated above wants to end the investigations of Hossa et al. It also wants clarity that the league won’t fine the player or agent for the first contract.
The league does not want to allow an open interpretation of what makes a legal contract and wants to have it explicitly stated in the CBA, perhaps through an amendment. This issue is one that I suspect has much debate.
Both sides have taken this situation with Kovy and allowed it to mushroom into something much larger. Its a shame. The league’s assets go home to their families each night. If the league doesn’t respect that, then the teams comprising the league and the league itself will suffer diminished value.
by section 110 on Sep 1, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is garbage
What if the devils organization just said “5 days is up, Kovy’s a devil now?”
Once again, this is garbage.
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As lovely and defiant that may be, it’s not up to NJ at this point. The ball has been in the NHL’s court since last Friday.
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by John Fischer on Sep 1, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sucks
I more familiar with football and the powers of the commish there, but doesn’t the commissioner ultimately serve the teams, and by extension the owners?
I’m sure there’s a lot of owners who wish they could put the ixnay on Bettman right now.
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Trash...
The NHL has just proved why it remains to be one of the biggest piss poor run leagues in the country. They cant even handle the monster that they themselves have created by letting deals like Pronger and Hossa go by without question. I will tell you the reason why those contracts went by without all the crap they are putting the devil through now is because they all play in big market cities and are EXTREMELY marketable. If Chris Pronger or Marian Hossa played on different teams that were not the same 6-8 teams that play on NBC every week, NBC would lose ratings. So in a way the NHL created this “cap circumvention” monster to try to get ratings.
It feels like the NHL is making a big deal over nothing. These long term deals hardly hurt the league. So what if a team frees up a couple million. Chicago, Vancouver, and Philly are all struggling to get under the cap. The Devils will also struggle to get under the cap. The NHL suits are all morons.
That's a really good point.
If anything, it’s something the NHL can’t use for a reason to reject the contract.
Per CapGeek , the Devils have $3,698,334 in cap space. The cap hit per year on Kovalchuk’s contract is $6,666,667 (or 15yrs/$100m). That would put the Devils at $-2,968,333. That would put Devils ahead of Vancouver and Boston in cap space, who have $-3,658,333 and $-3,087,771 respectively, and they would be sixth team to have a negative cap space.
If the contract is rejected, I really want the reasons why to be released.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 2, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Some theories...
1) There was a typo on page 8.
2) The Devils are on double secret probation for the Kowalski, the trap, and the goalie trapezoid incidents.
3) Easier to make an example and penalize a mid-sized market team than upset the big market teams who the NHL will need for support in the next CBA.
They don’t count the cover, it’s page 7.
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I am greeted by the warm hug of that blazing ball of fire in the sky, e’er determined to turn my flesh to ash. Or at least i would be if I wasn’t in my lovely, institutional blue-grey cubicle before it crested the horizon this morning. Having had some time to simmer down and give a bit of thought to the whole thing, I think the delay is a good thing, even though I was giddy with anticipation of a resolution in the whole matter. Allow me to explain, try to follow along. It’s still early, and I may start rambling.
Since the whole thing started, we recognized that there was a clarity issue in the CBA in regards to lifetime contracts, and these invisible lines, arbitrary limits, reluctant precedents, and so on. Several people brought up the desire, and more importantly, the need to open the CBA, at least in principle and correct these problems. However, at the time, the NHLPA was crippled by internal disorder and lack of leadership. Contract 1 denied. Arbitration upheld the decision, likely due to speculated poor representation at the arbitration hearings by the NHLPA. Oh, and since the decision was upheld, the NHL has given at least lip-service to the investigation of other similar, long term contracts.
The NJ Devils have since gone through the ruling (explaining the rather lengthy period of time between rejection of contract 1 and the submission of contract 2) issue by issue, word by word and developed a structure that addressed the foundation and substance of the arbiter’s decision. Framework was discussed with NHL. Contract 2 submitted.
The NHL does not like Contract 2. It is still the type of contract that this whole kovalsaga is intended to stop. There is a really big UFA year coming in July 2011, and the NHL does not want this to happen again, because it is disruptive to the operations of jsut about every team, and it makes them look crappy. They know that, but some things are more important to them at this point than appearances, and I can respect that to a certain degree.
However, the NHL cannot find reason to reject Contract 2, since it does address the specific concerns of Bloch and the previous ruling, which would surely play an evidencial purpose in a second greivance resolution. Perhaps the NHL believes that it will not be successful in another arbitration, and maybe, just maybe, they aren’t interested in dragging this process out longer than it has to be since we’re only 2 weeks away from the beginning of training camp. Significant delays and actions at this point are even more disruptive to their product, and let’s be honest here, they aren’t converting any new fans because of this, and may very well be driving some away.
Now, after defining those assumptions, we can begin to hypothesize about the nature of the extension and what it means for Mr Kovalchuk and the Devils, as well as the league as a whole. Given that the League is concerned with stemming the tide of long term, lifetime contracts, but has limited (if any) interest in actually penalizing the contracts currnetly being “investigated,” it seems logical that these contracts could see their investigations closed and declared valid in accordance with the CBA as it was written. The NHLPA and the League then work out actually defining the line such that the FA period in 2011 is guided by actual guidelines, rather than undefined, poorly communicated limits that may or may not change at the whim of the League or are open to interpretation. I think that’s what this extension is for; the definition of the lines and where contracts will be accepted and where they won’t.
My expectations for friday, realistically, and not through the glasses of a Devils fan, but rather a fan of hockey (perhaps naively hoping that the best interests of the game are the concern here…)
1. Kovalchuck contract accepted – there is much rejoicing.
2. Kovalchuk contract immediately placed “under investigation.” – A formality due to language written into an Annex of the CBA
3. All investigations of SPCs or SPC Extensions are hereby closed in accordance with the terms set forth in Annex K of the CBA. League officially recognizes that these contracts are “legal,” but structures such as theirs were not intended, and they are reluctantly accepted. For this reason, NHL has worked diligently with the NHLPA to clearly define the term and salary limits on SPCs that will or will not be viewed as circumventional.
4. All future SPCs must conform to term and salary conditions as clarified in Annex K of the CBA.
This simply and effectively deals with precedent contracts, the Kovy contract that addresses the substance of Bloch’s ruling, and the potential flood of lifetime contracts in the 2011 FA period prior to CBA renegotiation.
by Murdoc on Sep 2, 2010 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i can’t tell if this comment is aware of the supposed ultimatum that the league gave the NHLPA, according to brooks, which includes two major points:
for contracts that extend past the age of 40, the years past 40 would not be calculated in a cap hit.
contracts that are longer than 5 years will have a cap hit that includes the 5 highest years.
and all current contracts would be grandfathered in, including kovalchuk’s.
otherwise, the league will reject the kovalchuk contract, move to void luongo’s, and start investigating hossa’s more seriously. this is just brilliant strategizing by the NHL league office in my view. the league knows it has a tough battle with the kovalchuk contract – hence it throws luongo’s in there, which is probably a slam dunk win for the NHL under the bloch ruling. does the NHLPA really want to take this risk? over contracts that only 1% of the league would end up with? the legal battles could be endless.
if the NHLPA were a group of rational individuals, i would say that this gets done quickly, and that maybe the NHLPA gets a tiny giveback from the NHL. since the NHLPA are not a group of rational individuals, all bets are off.
I agree with what the NHL is trying to do
i just don’t know if the NHLPA is going to give in to them. The NHLPA has looked incredibly weak throughout this whole mess, but now with Fehr supposedly taking on the Directorship, I would imagine he is looking to change that image.
Personally I think these terms are reasonable, I just don’t know if Fehr will see accepting an ultimatum from the league, regardless of the terms, as a good first step for his new regime.
but what does fehr have to fight back with? the problem is that if he fights, he probably loses anyway. and he doesn’t gain anything at all by losing. according to brooks, fehr was not much interested in this fight when the NHLPA filed a grievance for kovalchuk’s contract. it’s not a very big fight, all things considered. the only thing that is the fight is of course the NHL unilaterally demanding stuff.
nominating a system arbitrator under these circumstances would probably take months instead of weeks. and this does not set contract limits, it just revises the rules. note how the rules are so aimed at taking down the kovalchuk contract – the league sees that if the kovalchuk contract gets through, thornton, parise, b. richards, chara, all receive similar things next off-season.
I agree with most of what you're saying
But the bigger, long-term issue is how this would handicap the NHLPA in the next round of labor negotiations. Negotiations always come down to who has the upper hand, and right now, it’s very clear the NHL has the upper hand. If the perception in the PA is that they are folding to the NHL’s every whim, they may be reluctant to agree to such terms, purely from the stand point it gives the NHL too much power.
Can you link to what it is you’re referring to?
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by John Fischer on Sep 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NHL's "Do what I say, not what I do"
They are threatening to punish teams that have any of these “cap circumventing” contracts, and NJ for even submitting Kovy’s contract, if the NHLPA doesn’t give in to the NHL’s demands. This is the ultimate power trip. Don’t bother going to the NHLPA with a reasonable negotiation with exactly the same terms, just threaten them with your power and don’t take no for an answer.
Good luck destroying the league in 2012. Wait, I think I just figured it out. Gary Bettman is the reason the world ends in 2012. His massive ego crushes the world.
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NHL swinging for the fences
This could turn ugly. If the PA fights this, the biggest loser would be the Devil’s (Kovy can get $100 mil from the KHL so what does he care about nhl penalties). Funny thing is, by itself, not counting the last two years of Kovy’s contract would lower the cap hit. Of course there is the whole weighting the top 5 years part, curious what the weights would be.
This seems like a substantial change to the CBA, wouldn’t the NHLPA want/need to get the players to vote on this?
Ugh, I’d have to go back and check the CBA, but documents such as these usually have multiple options for modification depending on the term of the change, the scope of the change or even in some cases which part of the agreement is changed. I’ve seen things as simple as both named parties (in this case the NHL and the NHLPA) simply agreeing to the change for X period of time, all the way to requiring an entire re-write of the document.
I have to think there is language in the CBA that will allow this sort of modification with maybe just the NHL and the PA agreeing, maybe the player Rep board, otherwise it would jsut be wheel-spinning since a full rewrite or full membership vote would take far too long to enforce for the coming season. Maybe the fact that it will only be in place for a short period of time before the whole thing is renogotiated could be a time saver, but I’m not sure.
This was written pre-awareness
I eventually got to the Post article after composing the TL:DR manifesto here.
IMO, the ultimatum, if true (given the source) is the only way this thing gets settled in a timely fashion. We’re long past the talking about it like civilized adults.
I would be upset by the ulimatum if it were unreasonable. But it isn’t. At all.
If I’m a disinterested third party, it’s reasonable. But if I’m the NHLPA, I disagree (technically I’m neither of these). The NHL wants to fundamentally change the CBA and is inserting conditions that would likely reduce all contracts to no more than 5 yrs (can’t know for sure without the weightings, but the cap advantage to longer term deals begins to evaporate). With this on the books, no player is getting a $75 + million contract. Negotiating that type of change is reasonable, but two days to do so is not.
That’s where our differences are. I don’t think it’s a big deal. The CBA is due for renegotiation, this is a stop gap measure that will affect one FA period. Existing contracts will not be affected.
1. That the cap hit on future multi-year contracts will not count any seasons that end with the player over 40 years of age. The cap hit would be calculated on the average of the salary up through age 40 only.
2. That the cap hit on future contracts longer than five years will be calculated under a formula granting additional weight to the five years with the highest salary.
Future contracts. Until the next CBA. Maybe the language stays the same. Maybe not. Guys in their 20s can still get lifetime contracts if they want, tails past 40 won’t count, but tails to 40 are fine. And the second bullet encourages a more level compensation scale.
I jsut don;t agree that it’s a “fundamental change” since there has been a contract rejected that both these points address and arbitration held up that rejection. That’s clear indication that the “spirit of the CBA” already deals with this, just not in the crystal clear language that should be there. In practive, all this does is add it.
I get the feeling that the NHL sees this as more than a one year fix.
I have no idea how the rank and file players feel and what they would have proposed in the next CBA negotiation without any of this, but player’s salaries are a major portion of the CBA and it’s the primary reason the NFL may have a work stoppage next year. The NBA is also staring at a possible work stoppage, all related to details of player contracts (how much, how long, etc). While the NHL may be offering a reasonable stop gap, 1) it’s their own fault for creating the loopholes and allowing the other contracts, and 2) I just think a two day long ultimatum is unreasonable.
Having said all that, I still don’t understand why there is this whole salary averaging anyway. I’d be happy with making the cap hit the players actual salary for that year (works in the nfl and nba).
How is strong-arming the PA, and stringing up the Devils so the NHL can implement changes to the CBA that they couldn’t put in 2005 reasonable?
How is it reasonable to limit long term contracts at all? I have yet to read or hear someone explain how this is actually bad for the league.
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by John Fischer on Sep 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the devils aren’t the only ones being strung up, and the devils have gotten off rather light. they could have been hit with circumvention penalties, had the league felt that way. second, if the brooks article is correct, the rules the NHL would like to put in place are not rules that would have been in the previous CBA.
it’s bad for the league in several ways – first, it limits the league from tightening the screws on the salary cap unless it gets givebacks from the players, which it probably won’t get. these deals not only go through one collective bargaining session, they go through 2, and many of them will still be valid then. two, it messes with the league’s revenue structure by taking money out of escrow and never putting it back in with the yo-yoing salary within the cap hit.
to me it feels like a tragedy of the commons situation, where the league feels that while it’s in every big-revenue team’s best interest to have these contracts, it’s not in the interest of the entire league to have them. overall, these contracts will end up stealing millions out of the pockets of the rank and file.
Well I have two words for league in those cases: too bad. Here’s three more: deal with it.
The NHL ownership wanted a salary cap – they got one in 2005. They linked it to revenue, they allowed for escrow, but apparently that’s not enough for them 5 years later and they want to change things before the next CBA. And I’m supposed to just accept this and find this as “reasonable?” Because owners who don’t or won’t actually use the massive amount of chap space they have? That’s the big difference here, not big-revenue and little-revenue teams.
If the rank-and-file don’t like the system they created, it’s OK for them to change it whilst holding one their club members up in limbo? That’s garbage.
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by John Fischer on Sep 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are you supposed to find the idea that players who’ve made tens of millions of dollars in their NHL playing careers will be playing under contracts that have enormous cap hits but tiny payouts, until ages where the vast majority of NHL players have retired, reasonable?
the NHL handled this wrong – they almost certainly should have gone after the hossa contract. however, they didn’t. and thankfully for them, the CBA grants them enormously broad powers to go after contracts long after they’ve been registered, so the NHL really didn’t have to worry about that. they can de-register a contract at any time if they deem a circumvention has occurred.
Actually, yes. I’ve been arguing from day 1 that this deal, the Hossa deal, the Luongo deal, etc are perfectly fine under the rules. But now the NHL can do whatever they want apparently.
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by John Fischer on Sep 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
technically, yes
Because there is nothing in the CBA that explicitly prevents it. Of course we all know it would have an infinitesimal chance of concluding, but if it was a 23 year contract at a flat $6M to $6.5M per year, there could be no way the league could deny it under the current rules of the CBA. But then we’ve all been through this about a dozen times…
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When I can come up with a clear and polite way where he has to provide some detail to ask that, I will.
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by John Fischer on Sep 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I only call it reasonable because in my opinion, it is. Given what they could be doing…voiding other contracts under investigation, taking multiple other teams to arbitration, imposing penalties and fines, deregistering the Hossa deal, etc., it isn’t that extreme. It’s actually on the low side of what they could be doing.
Maybe I’m a simple man, or jsut too naive to see it, but it seems to me like their proposal is a written version of the vague, “magic number in my head” crap that we’ve heard since the Bloch ruling. It’s clear they have their own way of evaluating a contract for circumvention, and it looks to be that they are looking for deals that don’t take a guy past 40 (a ripe old age for the VAST majority of hockey players), and they’d really rather you spread out the payment rather than have something so “spikey.”
I call it reasonable because without the resolution in the CBA now, we are, as hockey fans, doomed to another FA period that could very well be held hostage by somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen arbitrations if owners want to try their luck at long termers with the number of young, quality guys going to hit the market next summer. If the League is going to give those contracts hell and apply their magic formuale for validity, why not just get it ironed out now, added to CBA now, clarified now, in exchange for dropping investigations and releasing the Devils and these other teams from the specter of invalidation and potential penalty.
I’ve always thought that these types of contracts are valid according to the CBA. It’s also obvious to me that the intent of these contracts isn’t to ensure your star will retre with the team, it’s for no other reason whatsoever than to make a high value player in his prime affordable to your team under the salary cap. By doing so, you open yourself up to tremedous risk in a player getting hurt, not performing as expect, and so on. But you accept that risk for a lower cap hit. It’s cap strategy in my mind.
Unfortunately, the Bloch ruling interprets the structure differently. And in doing so, he basically gave the League Carte Blanche to actively persue the contracts under investigation. The League was probably waiting for something as ludicrus as Kovy I, just to get that arbitration ruling in their favor. It’s up to the NHLPA now to decide if a fight now is worth the trouble, or if they “suck it up” for a year and start swinging during the next negotiation.

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