Reports: NHL to Approve Ilya Kovalchuk Contract with New Jersey Devils
by John Fischer on Sep 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT
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If you wanted to see Ilya Kovalchuk re-signed as a New Jersey Devil or at least an end to this summer-long saga of the Devils and Kovalchuk trying to work out a contract the NHL would approve, then today may be your lucky day. Reports are coming out that the NHL will accept the $100 million, 15 year contract between the New Jersey Devils and Ilya Kovalchuk.
There are multiple reports, here are a few. First, Darren Dreger of TSN has reported that the NHL will accept the contract as part of a larger agreement between the NHL and NHLPA about CBA negotiations. Second, even ESPN has a short blurb reporting the same news. Third, Sportsnet has went a little further, with a big graphic along with the year-by-year breakdown of the contract. Fourth, Tom Gulitti also reports that the deal will be accepted, along with the reminder that the Devils now have to get underneath the salary cap.
Nothing is official from the NHL just yet; but given that major hockey media outlets and reporters are confident enough to report it, I'm confident enough to join in - hoping there aren't any more surprises. There will definitely be more details later, especially about what amendments to the CBA will be made; so expect this post to be updated later today.
And before anyone asks, here are my thoughts on who the Devils should to trade away to get underneath the salary cap. Posted back in mid-July, you know, when the Devils made the first signing. It's still applicable today unless something goes horribly awry before 5 PM. Either way, good luck to Lou for going to have make some deals in less than a month. But for now, Lou, Jeff Vanderbeek, Ilya Kovalchuk, Jay Grossman, the players, the coaches, the marketing staff, and the many Devils fans all around the world can breathe a little easier.
UPDATE #6: From kellyn in the comments, Gulitti is now hearing 9 PM EDT as the new deadline. This would be deadline #4 at this point. You know, I'm going to stop updating these until there's some actual, more solid news than just "The NHL and PA need more time." This is ridiculous.
UPDATE #5: Per njss4 in the comments to this post, Dan Rosen just tweeted that the deadline is now 8 PM EDT. In a word: Sigh. Who is Dan Rosen? A writer at NHL.com, so it's good. What's not good? Tom Gulitti hearing that the Devils could still be penalized for the first Kovalchuk contractt - the one that Richard Bloch ruled that the Devils did not act in bad faith. The one that was ruled on nearly a month ago, and rejected weeks before then. Thanks to kellyn in the comments for finding that.
UPDATE #4: While we await the paperwork to be officially done (Gulitti tweeted there may be another extension into this evening to finish it), Darren Dreger wrote up this article at TSN regarding the new amendments to the CBA. They only deal with any contract longer than 5 years. It's more meaty than his earlier tweets, so do read it.
Basically, any cap hit for years past age 41 will count for the full value - they won't be included in the average annual value used prior. Plus, the average annual value for players from age 36 through 40 can't be lower than $1 million. These rules won't affect current contracts or the Kovalchuk deal, but future ones (e.g. Zach Parise's extension).
Lastly, I've moved Update #1 and #2 beyond the jump for historical purposes. Once this is made official, I'll update the larger text accordingly while moving other updates beyond the jump. Thanks for your patience.
UPDATE #3: NHL.com announced that the deadline was extended...to 7 PM EDT. So in less than 30 minutes, there should be something official. Finally.
Darren Dreger of TSN has tweeted some regulations - what a long-term deal is, what defines actual value for said long-term deals, the minimum AAV for players aged 36-40, and what this effects.
UPDATE #2: From user kellyn in the comments, Darren Dreger has this disappointing tweet:
The NHL and NHLPA have extended the 5pm deadline to finalize agreement.
I hope, I hope, I hope this is just for formal purposes. After all of the reports, anything more would be ridiculous.
UPDATE #1: ESPN has updated their story with this crucial line from the AP.
Jay Grossman, Kovalchuk's agent, confirmed the agreement in an e-mail, The Associated Press reported.
I think it's happening. Here's a second bit. With respect to CBA amendments, normally the NHLPA has to vote on it and get 20 out of 30 votes for approval. Tom Gulitti reported that's not needed in this tweet:
Correctiion. NHLPA board gave pre-authorization to negotiators to make this deal, so no vote will be needed.
I really think it's happening now. Speaking of CBA changes, Larry Brooks tweeted this take, saying the amendment move is a "victory" for other clubs. Not sure what the amendment exactly is, but per this tweet by Nick Kypreos, it appears that contracts won't use years beyond age 40 for the player to reduce the cap hit of a contract. If that's true, then based on Brooks' tweet, it's probably a stepping stone for hard term limits for the next CBA in 2012 - so teams, get your guys locked up long term in 2011! More later.
One more thing: Thanks to Matt in the comments for finding this: Sovietsky Sport's Pavel Lysenkov just called Kovalchuk and tweeted:
Just phoned Kovalchuk. "Ilya, can I congratulate you?" Contract approved? " - "Yes, true. Thank you," - Kovalchuk confirmed.
It's so close, you can taste it.
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Who makes it official first?
Do you think the NHL, the NHLPA, the Devils, or Grossman/Kovalchuk will make this official first?
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The good question now is..
What are those provisions are for the over 35/40yo contracts?
i mean, What are those provisions for the over 35/40yo contracts?
by vincent enrique on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s one of the things that have yet to be released yet.
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All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
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All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
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YAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!
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Are we allowed to discuss how this signing, if it does indeed happen, will affect the Devils roster going forward?
It’s Kovalchuk related so I don’t see why not under the ILWT Draconian Topic Adherence Rule.
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Okay. Well, I was going to ask how the rest of you think this will affect the signing of Zach Parise moving forward.
It wont
Zach will sign a deal next year for the same approximate Cap hit, IMO.
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I hope you’re right. I only ask because a lot of other people are of the opinion that Kovalchuk’s contract, if accepted, will negatively impact the Devils ability to re-sign Zach Parise.
It takes about five minutes on capgeek to show that not to be the case. Those who have that opinion tend to be those who would like for that to happen.
Besides, it’s difficult to imagine Lou lacks that kind of foresight. He went through all of this in trying to get a lower cap hit for IK specifically to maintain the teams core.
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Tough to say.
Had things progressed normally, regardless of whether IK was signed or not, I’d have thought Lou would then turn his attention to signing Zach to an extension… but with limited time to get cap compliant and some time needed to absorb the unknown rule(s) changes just passed, it might be a while.
As far as monetarily, I don’t think it affects it at all. The only things that might be affected are the length of the contract and/or terms involved, or Parise’s willingness to remain with the team.
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You know I just found this hammer magically appear to my left
I wonder if I should use it…
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KOVY
I will wait to cheer until it is in writing by the clowns in the League office !
roster moves
salvador will be the first one lou is able to move, he will be waived to albany if lou can’t find any NHL taker for him, unfortunately for the devils zubrus might also have to go, i’m hoping that either another NHL team takes him or he is ‘loaned’ to the KHL, i like him too much to find out that he has to go to albany and ride the bus…
by don in central jersey on Sep 3, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
It's likely that 10 years down the road
the Devils will regret the signing at the time. But if it gets them a Cup or two in Marty’s final seasons, I would say it’s 100 percent worth the contract.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
Well hello Founder
I hate to agree here, but when Kovy can no longer put up 40+ goal seasons, $6.67M will seem like a lot of money. But Id bet on him being a 30+ goal-scorer for as long as he is in the NHL.
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I wouldn’t write off Kovalchuk so quickly; but if the Devils can continue being a successful organization, then you better believe it’ll be worth it.
Just like Hossa was to Chicago.
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I guess now that the big boss is Happy, everyone’s happy.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be much happier in June
if my team is sipping from a silver chalice and Kovy proves all the haters wrong.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm... speechless...
It’s… it’s over? It’s finally over? We got Kovy?
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Kovalchuk Army!!!!
Unite!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Poll Question:
Will Ilya Kovalchuk top Brian Gionta’s goal mark at 48?
YES
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
SORT OF RELATED ASIDE
I wonder what Brian Burke’s reaction is right now?
Honestly, I think he’s happy that he’s getting whatever the CBA will be changed.
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He’ll sign his player to a 17 year deal and then complain about this one.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Acquitted!
Apparently Lou has been acquitted of the ‘crime’ he had committed.
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He's being arraigned with Roger now.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets just hope he’s not planning something Truculent for Kovy.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy confirms
Just phoned Kovalchuk. “Ilya, can I congratulate you?” Contract approved? " – “Yes, true. Thank you,” – Kovalchuk confirmed.
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Added!
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So Kovy said "Yes, True, Thank you"?
And hung up? lol
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
UPDATED
ESPN’s story has an update from the AP saying Jay Grossman confirms that the deal has been accepted.
I’ll drop the Reports in the title when the NHL says it, to be fair.
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So NHL fans all around should be thanking Lou, Jeff, Kovy and Co for saving the NHL/NHLPA from another lockout?
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I don’t know about that just yet. Depends on how hard the PA wants to fight the eventual term limits the NHL will demand in 2012. Because that’s the next logical step after the as-of-yet-unconfirmed-amendment.
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There might be another lockout, but alot of GMs will be happy just because these contracts aren’t going to be popping up as much.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So do the Kings rush to give Doughty an extension, somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 years and $80M?
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I’m not so sure about that.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They should.
But will they?
Probably not.
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So I am confused; I thought after 5 today the CBA will be amended and those contracts will not longer be permitted. Unless the Kings wanted to submit a contract in the next 15 minutes its over eh?
Even if the Kings did that, the NHL could simply turn around and reject it. That all these reports refer to Kovalchuk’s contract being “grandfathered” is grounds enough. All that term means is that the Kovy deal doesn’t satisfy the new rules (and might not satisfy the old ones, at least in the League’s eyes), but that the League will let it pass and take no further action on the affair. In short, a giant game of “Let’s Pretend”.
Nope.
The amendment concerns deals over age 40.
Given that Doughty is 20, the Kings can give him a 19 year deal if they want, and all the years go for the cap hit.
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I doubt Doughty would sign something like that anyway. I could see him making near max if not max salary throughout most of his career. His ceiling is almost as a high as Orr.
You think Doughty will be making $11M+ in his next contract? Wow
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Maybe I overstated it but as UFA I could see a team signing him for 10 mill+ unless he takes a home-team discount.
As UFA, I would agree with you, but LA wont be letting him go.
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he is an RFA next year, If he puts up improved numbers I could see him getting some insane offer-sheets.
Thats not going to happen until the NHL has a presser or says its confirmed. You can’t believe Kovy himself?
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to, but there have been so many false starts and stops that I would just like a definitive yes form one or the other. preferably signed in blood by bettman.
lol signed in blood. I’m having a Sideshow Bob flashback.
I’m still a tad nervous that this will:
A. All be a dream and I’ll wake up in bed very angry.
B. False reports snowballing into us believing it.
C. The Matrix, where there is no Kovalchuk… I mean spoon.
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They still will announce it before 5 right?
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Yeah probably
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It’ll be a 2 hour special on VERSUS, but it will be preempted by PBR bull riding.
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WOW
Go away for a few hours and good things happen!!! Now the real hard work (filling out/gutting the roster) begins, but let’s enjoy this today.
Hmmm
Any chance the NHL allows the original deal to go through? $6MM cap hit? Heck, if this is the last one might as well make it a $2MM or $3MM hit….cmon NHL make it happen. (of course, just kidding)
Your kidding right?
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by st.pattysdaymassacre26 on Sep 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go again....
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey it's 5:01 PM EST
I do declare that everything must be good now, right?
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I doooo declare!
I wouldnt have thought of you as a Southerner, hehe
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I’m not. I also spit on stereotypes.
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I was just about to say that
No news from Devils front yet.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Still nothing on NHL.com
Ugh. This needs to be official!
by Devilssection21fan on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone want to bet that Lou already has the deals worked out?
And that as soon as Monday, we’ll be finding out who is Heidi Klummed? You know, who is out and who is in (what, my wife lives for Project Runway).
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
i’d bet against that. it took him until mid september to trade jeff friesen, and it took him until early october to move vladimir malakhov’s deadweight contract.
He doesn’t have the luxury of waiting until mid-September or October.
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After all of this? No, he doesn’t. It’s not just about getting under the cap in time, it’s about the team’s psyche under a new coach.
The subsequent player movement is all a part of this saga and the team needs closure.
Playing Devils' advocate since 1982.
i’m sure the team has been following this much less than we have.
trade values are probably at their lowest now. they start to go up when injuries hit, and they start to hit during training camp. it’s unfortunate to do to the players, but using training camp to evaluate players is probably the best course.
this isn’t saying that i would be surprised if a deal happened before then, but a deal certainly does not have to happen before then.
Remember, he's essentially been sitting on this for
almost two months now. I’m pretty sure he’s had a lot of conversations in the interim in case the deal was approved. If you read a lot of Lou’s quotes it sounds like he’s confident he could do what it took to get under the cap. Maybe I’m just reading between the lines, but that sounds to me that he knows that it will be taken care of.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not Monday, what with the holiday, but I expect we’ll see the hammer fall shortly.
You’re wife. Sure.
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To paraphrase the Macho Man Randy Savage
You call it a “Heidi Klum?”
I don’t even know what that is.
Is it a bird?
Like the dodo bird?
A species that doesn’t exist?
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Macho Man Randy Savage references? Punch out references? This board is going to hell in a handbasket.
I love it when things go off topic
at least in the comments. Makes for a more fun community ;-)
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But they won’t go off topic too much.
Ahem.
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So now
the Devils must clear what? 4 mill in cap space and the line up (as of now) looks like this;
(fyi, positions may not be correct, just getting names out)
ZZPops
Kovy-Arnott-Elias
Rolston-Zubrus-Clarkson
Sharky-Pelley-PL3
A-Greene
Salvador-Tallinder
White-Fraser/Salmela
As many have said, Zubrus and Salvador are most likely to go. Which should give us about 2/2.5 in cap space right? Here’s the lineup I would want;
ZZPops
Kovy-Arnott-Elias
Rolston-Jacobson-Clarkson
Tendenby-Pelley-PL3/Sharky
A-Greene
Tallinder-(whichever rookie makes the team)
White-Fraser/Salmela
A couple of points;
-True, Josefson is not acclimated to the NHL rinks. But he did play in the Swiss Elite league on the second line with grown men as an 18 year old. 3rd line duties with 2 defensively responsible players should be okay.
-I put Tallinder with whichever rookie defenseman because he was brought on for a mentor role. He did a great job with Myers getting him used to the NHL. While I don’t think any of our prospects are at that level, playing with an experienced player whose been in that role before will help.
-Tendenby will hopefully make the team, but I do not see him in anything more than a 4th line role, similar to how JVR was brought in on the Flyers last year. If anything, it makes the 4th line more dangerous, and, against more skill oriented opponents (teams lacking a true enforcer), a 4th line of Tendenby-Pelley-Sharky could theoretically do some damage.
And (the following is without Kovy’s 6.67 mill cap hit), we are under the cap with this lineup!
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($3.125m) / Travis Zajac ($3.887m) / Jamie Langenbrunner ($2.800m)
Brian Rolston ($5.062m) / Jason Arnott ($4.500m) / Patrik Elias ($6.000m)
Mattias Tedenby ($0.875m) / Jacob Josefson ($0.900m) / David Clarkson ($2.666m)
/ Rod Pelley ($0.550m) / Vladimir Zharkov ($0.850m)
/ / P-L Letourneau-Leblond ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Anton Volchenkov ($4.250m) / Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m)
Colin White ($3.000m) / Tyler Eckford ($0.550m)
Andy Greene ($0.737m) /
Mark Fraser ($0.500m) /
Anssi Salmela ($0.612m)
GOALTENDERS
Martin Brodeur ($5.200m) /Johan Hedberg ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS: Jay Pandolfo ($0.833m) / Andrew Peters ($0.166m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,466,667; BONUSES: $740,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,673,333
As a side note
some of the players are pushed up or down in the lineup because kovy is not put in. I just wanted to see if such a line up works.
And yes, we have about a million in cap space to sign a veteran or for a deadline trade if needed.
if its just to finish paperwork, i’m fine with it.
it it’s till tomorrow, or even wednesday, i will go to the NHL offices and give them a pen.
Don't tell me there's no ink in the pens??!!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone thought it would be funny to give Bettman an exploding ink pen, and by someone I mean me. It exploded and there was jam everywhere.
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Lou got back at Bettman for this fiasco. Vanderbeek and Lou are like Cheech and Chong on that one.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH. I’ll add it shortly. Thanks.
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John, didn't you call that the deadline will be extended because of paperwork?
Lol. Jinx!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this is out of control. how can a ‘legitimate’ league do something so juvenile.
by Marty'sBetter30 on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Official!
Kovy just signed a 17 year 102 million dollar contract with the LA Kings!
Don't Joke
nothing would surprise me at this point
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by MikePelusoTears on Sep 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude your screen name rules
Might be the best I’ve seen in the network. I’m tempted to change mine to Ken Daneyko’s missing tooth.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Sir
Woulda been a solid name.
"You're next." -Scott Stevens
by MikePelusoTears on Sep 3, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in!
Gary Bettman and Sidney Crosby have been abducted by aliens! lol
Seriously, though, this extension has got to be the last twist of the knife in our side before they pull it out. Just finish it already! Or as Monty Python and the Holy Grail would say: GET ON WITH IT!
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
Its been a nice painful summer
See you guys 15 years from now and do this all over again!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah....
(Feeling like you just went to the dentist and your on the way out and the Doc says see you next week!)
I can’t wait…
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Bettman declines comment and Lou says “Everything is status quo with Mike Mottau”
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Status Quo – in other words: Mike Mottau is not in our plans for the future, but I won’t say that to save Mike’s reputation.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
On the positive side
I really can’t wait to see the Devils top two lines perform this year. They have a true number two center now in Arnott, not a bunch of guys who were playing out of position.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 3, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
I can't wait to go to Opening Night
To think of the lines we had last year and compare them to this years.. Wooo. Big difference. Lou said the team will be re-worked. Job well done.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thinking about A-Train/Android/Anton, whatever you call him, he is just as exciting to think about as a Devil.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its like (enter religious holiday of your choice here" all over again!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Union County? Me too!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It is today.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You scared me lol
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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TG says it could get pushed back even more but it will get done by tonight.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see Gulitti’s post earlier? When he announced the approval, Fire and Ice had so many hits, the site crashed.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That's been happening a lot
I think TG needs to invest in more bandwidth for his site.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
It’s not his site, but North Jersey Media Group’s. As long as Gulitti’s an employee there, NJMG runs the show – not Gulitti.
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Don't bet against Lou trading Rolston
Now, I’m not crazy where I think Lou could send Rolston packing for a 3rd rounder straight up. That simply won’t happen. What the Devils will likely do is throw in Mattias Tedenby. Think about it, left wing should not be an issue in NJ (assuming health) for the next several years, obviously Parise needs to get signed, but once he does, this team has two of the top ten left wings in the game. Lou can afford to move Tedenby, and he probably will. I believe management likes Salvador and Zubrus.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
Scary thought is..
What IF Parise leaves? Its not certain until he signs that he will stay with the team. I would trade Tedenby just to take a contract. Mattias is to good and would make a solid 3rd line with Josefson or Henrique and maybe Zharkov on the right wing. I would either trade Vasyunov or Eckford or both to lose Rolston.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't**
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Vasyunov has no value, and I don’t think Eckford could get it done.
Any team taking Rolston could give us a 2nd rounder, but they would want a TOP flight prospect. I don’t see Lou giving up Josefson or Henrique, and anyone after that is a question mark.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess...
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How did you reply so fast?
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Next week will be very interesting. We’ll see if Lou can get anyone to waive their NTCs. Best case scenario, couldn’t NJ just trade Rolston for “future considerations” aka “nothing”?
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
No one in their right minds would take that albatross of a contract for nothing. Luckily for Lou, there are a lot of General Managers out there who aren’t in their right minds.
True, plus on the Rolston side, he doesn’t want to be buried in the minors, that is embarassing and shatters his chances at another contract beyond 11-12.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Rolston be buried in the minors? His cap hit would still count in that case.
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Oh great, more drama…
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats a good show!
lol. But I don’t think the Devils will be fined.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/TGfireandice/status/22927408171
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that show.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Sep 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You and me both. For lack of anything better to do, I’m watching it right now, and I can feel my brain cells diminishing by the second.
That's exactly what i said
I watched if for 5 minutes and I felt each brain cell die a slow and horrendous death.
Against all odds, against all circumstance were you don't have a shot, you succeed
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
How is that possible?
Bloch ruled the Devils submitted that first contract with no bad intentions (or however it was phrased) and the NHL hadn’t fined NJ yet, so why would they fine NJ now after they’ve accepted the 2nd contract? That makes no sense.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
The NHL technically could, that’s the concern.
I do agree it would make no sense. Like I said, it would be petulance, NHL-style.
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So the NHL had the right to impose punishment throughout August but now when they’ll accept the contract and get the CBA changed to their wishes, THEN they can still do it?
Petulance, NHL-style.
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Deadline extended again to 8pm
/sigh just give us a conclusion already!
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
Yawwwwwn...just woke up from a long nap
What’s all this talk about Ilya Kovalchuk? And why don’t I see Oduya and Bergfors on the roster page? How long was I asleep for? Eh..I’m going back to sleep…wake me up on October 8th when any of this will actually matter.
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by HELLAWAITS on Sep 3, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone have a feeling this may drag on until Tuesday? I sure hope not, but with each hour that passes without a resolution, it seems more and more likely.
See, the NHL is great at setting deadlines. Keeping them, well, they’re like the Edmonton Oilers and winning hockey games in that regard.
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Let’s just hope that all of these single hour incremental pushbacks mean they actually want to finish this today, and not have it looming over their Labor Day weekend.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
The way things are going, that will be there excuse
www.anyonebutcrosby.blogspot.com
devils and stuff...
by Josh Weinstein on Sep 3, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
I don’t even know what to say.
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Saving Private Ryan time. Pass up the long wait….. Of an hour.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The beginning and ending is sad
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 and Yes
Great all around.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So its 15 years 100 million for 6.6 salary cap?
Cool.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Breakdown of: 6, 6, 11, 11.3, 11.3, 11.6, 11.8, 10, 7, 4, 1, 1, 1, 3, 4.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a NMC in the contract.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is interesting..
If the Kovalchuk contract was placed under these new rules Dreger put up, his cap hit for the first 13 years would be $7,153,846, then $3m year 14, then $4m year 15. That’s only an increase of $487,179 per year (almost a minimum contract per year). Then savings of $3,666,667 and $2,666,667 then next two seasons.
Is this better to anyone else?
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s too late. The settlement was for the Kovy contract to be accepted via old terms, that was the negotiations made by the useless PA.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...my point is
That this contract under the new rules aren’t that bad at all, it’s even better. If the NHL is trying to enforce a higher cap for contracts like these, this isn’t a good way mathematically. It almost encourages teams to sign players til their 42 or 43, with low salaries their last 2 or 3 years.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Update: Gulitti says 6.8M
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh nos we lose the 6.66 contract.. I’m sooo disapointed….
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we don’t, but IF this deal had been approved via the rule change, it would. The league is not doing us a favor, but they can say that they are.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a "what if" number, not actual
TG’s tweet is IF the contract was affected by the new rules. The cap hit will still be 6.667M/yr
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
Kovalchuk deal is still under old rules
6.8 would be under new rules; but that’s not in play here.
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I stand corrected
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth, it’s technically 6.67M until you dig into the numbers.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but its like the last number.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, he turns 41 in his 14th season. I guess it has to be his age when the season starts?
So as Gulitti said, It would be even better! An increase of only $190,476 for the first 14 seasons, then a savings of $2.667m the last year.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else think this benefits teams rather then penalize them for contracts like this one? I know this contract isn’t under the new rules; I’m using it as an example. An increase of under $200k for a huge savings the year he’s going to retire.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, for those concerned about penalties for the Devils, and as Greg Wyshynski put it, “Kamp Kovalchuk,” the league hasn’t ruled out penalties, says TG.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
Awesome. Way to read the post you’ve been commenting on.
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You’re saying that has already been posted?
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit up the page, yes it was.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
My apologizes to all negatively affected by the re-post of the potential penalties.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, the league DID NOT pass anything that would keep the cap hit on the deal even if Kovy retires at 35?
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
10pm… must be the most amount of work these guys have done in a day in years.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
They’re hardly working, they’re sitting around a table fooling around and laughing at the PA.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Huhhh
When I wake up they will still probably be delaying it. I guess Staples still isn’t opened…
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just thinking about the possibilties of such a thing: http://twitter.com/HockeyJoePHT/status/22933755335
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
Because Brian Rolston signed his contract when he was over the age of 35, the Devils would still have to pay his cap hit if they buried him in the minors.
I knew I was forgetting something obvious. Maybe Lou would still rather send him to Albany to make a point?!
Who are we kidding??
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
by DownGoesAvery on Sep 3, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so. I think the highest draft pick the Devils ever had was Scott Niedermayer, and that was a pick the Devils got from trading down to pick Martin Brodeur 20th overall in the draft the year before. One of the pitfalls to perennially making the playoffs is that you don’t draft high. Not that the Devils are hurting because of it. Am I the only one who thinks the #1 overall pick should go to the Stanley Cup Champion? It’s easy to take a nose dive in the standings to draft high. Winning is hard, and I think it should be rewarded.
3:00 a.m.: The NHL and NHLPA have extended the Deadline on the Kovalchuk ruling to 4:00 a.m.
Marc R.
In what YEAR will these “extensions” finally end? And why do they continue to call the “deadlines” if they keep working past them??
When the new CBA gets put in..
So we got 2 years left!
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And why do they continue to call the "deadlines" if they keep working past them??
At the risk of going off-topic and getting nerfed for it…. anyone remember the healthcare bill’s odyssey through Congress last year? How the Congressional leaders and President kept setting out deadlines by which the bill would be passed, over and over? That little fiasco took more than a year start-to-finish. In comparison, our 65-day hostage crisis is a blink of an eye.
But the thing about the bill is that it was forced down congress’ throats. To bad that hasn’t happened yet. But getting back on topic, its just time before this finnaly ends. And BTW, 10pm has passed.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My point was that most deadlines don’t have a whole lot of weight behind them. They’re simply arbitrary, easily fudged, and don’t mean all that much when it comes down to it. Heck, consider how many trades we hear about after the “deadline” on trade deadline day, because there is one delay or another.
Earlier Kovy confirmed himself that it’s done. I slept because that was 4am in the morning here.
I wake up 6 hours later (it’s 1045 now here) to find out it’s not yet done? I think I just teared up.
by vincent enrique on Sep 3, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
lol
Where are you from?
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
O
Keep posting. I’m going to sleep now..
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
this seems like deadline circumvention to me. they never intended it to be done at any of their deadlines.
Yea its 11 and the deadline was at 10.
Did they forfeit or something?
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish. i would like to go back to summer before its over and school starts again…
my guess is they maybe are just trying to tie up the last ends?
by Kyle Hamelin on Sep 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
I just remember… Reading that Paul Martin will be “our top priority” when summer began. Reading that he is “close” to a deal with the Penguins.. Thinking oh my god here we go again. 10 minutes later Tallinder is a Devil. Then a half hour later, Volchenkov’s a Devil. Then it was July 1st and my summer was ahead of me with two great free agent and the Devils talking to Kovalchuk.. Boom Johan Hedberg when I wake up and check out the news. Then my birthday, Fraser signs a day after and still talking to Kovalchuk.. It’s kind of depressing when I talk about it. Now back to work with the great summer of 2010 behind me. Sadly….
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by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but all this is sure making me pumped for the season coming! i feel good about the future. Im feelin lou’s grove.
by Kyle Hamelin on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, Dan Rosen says 1 AM is the new deadline…confirmed by TG, go figure…
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 4, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If they had been working this hard to the night since Friday, then they wouldn’t have needed any extension! They would’ve approved the contract anyways. Just announce the CBA revision days later in light of the approved contract. They could just tell us to standby for the completion of the renegotiated rules or something.
It makes no sense to turn back what seems to be an approved contract anyways.
by vincent enrique on Sep 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
That would make sense. Shh.
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by John Fischer on Sep 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re probably playing NHL 11 and after there battle for the cup is over then they will continue because clearly they are not efficient workers
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by joshd12 on Sep 3, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
For each game, they are betting on a certain aspect of the rule changes, CBA/contract/infractions/etc..
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
“If Hossa scores we take his contract away!” says Bettman. I would love to hear that Xbox Live Party.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 3, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
One is probably the Rangers and the other is the Flyers. I think that makes sense considering they hate the Devils.
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by joshd12 on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me ask an annoying question
Are we done?
Seriously, it’s nearly midnight, the last “deadline” was at 10 PM EST, and Dan Rosen last tweeted:
Don’t read into the fact that no other extension was announced after 10 p.m. ET. As far as I know the sides are still working on something.
I don’t think Dan understands how this works – if we’re past the deadline, then the contract’s accepted by default. Of course, the NHL can just pop up and say, “Er, yeah, uh…we’re extending this deadline to (some date)” and this would be moot. I suppose my complaint is really about media coverage dropping ball in probing whether or not there’s yet another extension rather than the extension itself.
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Nevermind I got an answer
Per Dan Rosen of NHL.com who just tweeted
Don’t kill the messenger, but I have been told the deadline has been extended until 1 am.
…
Yeah. I’m going to bed soon. Hopefully when I wake up, I can change “Reports” to “Official.” Though, I might as well make a whole new post saying that.
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by John Fischer on Sep 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t count on it, John. This has “after the weekend” written all over it. Face it, the league doesn’t want this saga to end and the saga doesn’t want this saga to end.
That leaves everyone else praying it would end…
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 4, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know the fact that they are still working on it this late seems as if they don’t want to wait till after the weekend
If this contract does not apply with the new CBA amendment, can’t they approve this deal and then work out the rest? Maybe they’re discussing penalties to NJ from the first contract? TG says that is a possibility…
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 4, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I got home from work a half hour ago and have no idea what is going on. When the contract gets passed is it gonna be held under the guidelines of what the NHL and NHLPA are working on right now? Or is it gonna be the last one before these new rule changes are put in.
Kovalchuk’s contract will be held to the rules we’re used to, the current rules. This deal is being “grandfathered” in. Only future contracts will be held to the new rules. Kovalchuk’s cap hit will be $6.67M/yr and when he retires, it goes away. All will be good as soon as the approval becomes official (which it isn’t because the NHL/NHLPA is still working on the new rule changes, they’ll finalize everything at once).
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"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
This is a joke
Honestly, just accept the contract and solve the other differences later on.
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I wonder if we’ll ever see a free agent situation like this ever again. The fact that Ilya was a free agent this year at this point in his career played into it for sure…then there’s the league.
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 4, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/TGfireandice/status/22950014917
^ that sums up this week.
Something IS wrong.
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Out of everything that was posted about this whole situation, this comment is so appropriate, not just for the final hours, but the whole ordeal. Sums it all up.
Go Devils
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Okay, I don’t know if I’m the only one left on here, but as of 1:01 am ET, there is nothing new, except Gulitti’s report of the 2 am deadline, which will be pushed back again likely. It is concerning that it is over ten hours since the deal was supposedly approved. Either way, hopefully there is good news in a few hours when we awake again.
"Potential means you ain't done it yet" - Bill Parcells
Yea I am calling it also. Hopefully when I wake up tomorrow I will find an Ilya Kovalchuk under the Christmas tree.
I don’t know who said this, but it made TG feel better apparently.
I lied, I’m still up. But this time, I’m probably done.
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by DownGoesAvery on Sep 4, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It continues!!! 2:20am, jeez guys get this done already!
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
By the way
NHL doesn’t consider Kovalchuk deal approved yet.
"Everything is status quo." - Lou Lamoriello
"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
If it’s on NHL.com, it’s OFFICIAL! It’s finally over! /collapses of fatigue and stress
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"*Heavy groan*" - The Entirety of Devils Nation
Let's also hope
that the article saying the NHL has stopped investigating all other contracts and basically letting bygones be bygones means the Devils will not face any penalties for the first contract.
Also, Bill Daly seemed to mirror his comments in that email to John Fischer here when he said “We’re pleased to be able to establish bright line rules for these contracts…”
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This is truly exciting
a few random thoughts as I wake up at 7:30
1) What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. Hardcore Devils fans went through alot but I think we are all going to be that much more psyched about this season after the perseverance
2) If nothing else, this continues to demonstrate we have a world class GM. To me Lou comes out of this looking quite solid. He basically forced the league to give the GMs clarity on this. I think the other GMs owe him to be honest
3) We also have ownership committed to trying to bring in talent and address problems. Who knows how this will actually work out but at least the team is trying
4) I will actually now probably go to the preseason opener after all this.
5) Kovalchuk’s cap hit is barely more than Wade Redden’s :-)
by Devilssection21fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions
5) Kovalchuk’s cap hit is exactly the same as Dan Boyle’s and less than players like Backstrom, Datsyuk, Kopitar, Marleau, Iginla, Spezza, and 17 others.
Go Devils
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Finally!
I can’t believe this is finally over. I have been glued to Twitter since July 1 and followed this saga into the early morning hours – hitting refresh every five minutes in anticipation of seeing TGFIREANDICE and the 10 or so other accounts i ultimately ended up following on this deal. Guliotti really did a great job covering this story and set himself apart. The guy deserves a vacation.
It’s too early to start with the cap issues and who has to go. For me it’s time to reflect on a masterful summer by Lou, not only landing the biggest free agent to ever hit the market (and if Vegas took bets on that a year ago, you would have made a bundle), but also, in case we forget, putting Volchenkov, Tallinder, Arnott and Moose in the fold and signing Clarkson. Add to it the prospects the team has developed that are NHL ready, and this is not just a ho hum new season, it is a whole new team. This is the future – this is exciting and Lou and Jeff should be congratulated and rewarded.
Yes, there will likely be some short term pain doing what needs to be done to get under the cap, and some reconfiguring of talent to balance the lines, but ultimately, I feel very good about this team. No, I feel great about this team. I have been watching this team since they showed up in NJ (Dad got season tickets the first year) and every fall I think “how is anyone ever going to beat this team?”. Hope springs eternal I guess. The only thing I miss is the days when training camp was wide open to the public. I used to bring a lunch and sit in the steel stands at South Mountain with Chere and the scouts and the other handful of fans. I recall seeing Colin White the first time thinking – geez this dude is huge!.
Ah – September. Time for the rookies to report! This saga made a usually quiet hockey summer fly by, and I am glad it ended on an up note and let’s get it going!.
YES
I wake up and here great news to start my day. Truly awesome. An they really extended the deadline from 5 to 2am? Wow.
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Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ITS OVER, ITS FINALLY OVER, I CAN ACTUALLY LIVE MY LIFE NOW!!!!!
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A little headline is up. Use that as the open thread for today. Celebrate Devils Army!!!
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by Matthew Ventolo on Sep 4, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
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