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Sharper New Jersey Devils Win First Game of Season, 4-2 Over Carolina Hurricanes

On Saturday night, the New Jersey Devils began their regular season chasing their opponents, misfiring on more passes than making them, and getting pounded.  Their opponents, the Philadelphia Flyers, played their first game two days prior and showed few, if any, signs of rust.  The Devils, on the other hand, looked as rusty as a steel pipe left out in a downpour.   Their problems spiraled and so they looked like garbage in a 3-0 loss.

Today, the Devils hosted the Carolina Hurricanes.  With the experience of having an actual NHL game at NHL speed that counted in the NHL standings under their collective belt, they looked a million times better.  Right from the puck drop, the Devils were hustling, passes were more on-point, and the skaters were playing off each other.  They definitely got their "legs" back and they were pumping for 60 minutes.  The first 4 minutes, in particular, was straight-up Devils domination.  Carolina was pinned back and the Devils just kept rolling on them for shift after shift until the Devils scored the game's (and their season's) first goal.

It would have been nice if it continued, but the Hurricanes - as the Capitals will tell you - don't go down easily without some resistance.  The Devils also shot themselves in the foot a few times.  Fortunately, the vast improvement in skating and puck movement ensured that those shots didn't kill them in this game.  The Canes did hang with the Devils almost until the very end, as a matter of fact. I think that makes the Devils' 4-2 victory this afternoon even sweeter.  They had a strong start, they were forced to ward off a pesky Canes squad, and they came out of it with two points.  A definite confidence booster going into Wednesday's Thursday's game against Los Angeles. 

As usual, I have a lot more to say about this game - both good and bad.  If you would like opposition's side point of view, then please check out Bob Wage's recap of this game at Canes Country.  Please continue on after the jump to check out my additional thoughts.

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The Stats: The NHL.com Game Summary | The NHL.com Event Summary | The NHL.com Play by Play | The Time on Ice Shift Charts | The Time on Ice Even Strength Corsi Charts

The Highlights: From NHL.com, here are the video highlights of today's game. Check out all of those goals scored by New Jersey. All four of them, in fact.

The Dominance of the Devils' Hot Start: Six shots on net, all four lines having time in Carolina's end of the rink, and it ends with a sweet tic-tac-toe play.  Petr Sykora to Patrik Elias to Zach Parise torching Jay Harrison and re-directing Elias' shot past Cam Ward.  It was not only successful on the scoreboard, but on the ice.  The Devils looked like they had a point to prove and they, well, did just that.   The only positive the Canes had was that they won all of the faceoffs; but they were small victories.

Give the Canes credit, they "woke up" after that goal.  Granted, Jacob Josefson helped them out by grabbing Alexei Ponikarovsky along the boards, which the refs saw.  From my vantage point, I thought it was Nick Palmieri, but whatever.  The Canes moved the puck well on that power play, put up 2 shots on net, and just missed 2 others.  The game became, well, a game. 

Technically, Discipline Was Better Today:  The Devils gifted the Flyers 8 power plays on Saturday.  That's unacceptable. Today, they improved by only giving the Canes 5 opportunities.  That's technically an improvement.   It's not much of one. What was shocking was that of the 7 total penalties they took today, 6 were by skill players. In order:  Josefson, Mattias Tedenby, Sykora, Dainius Zubrus, Nick Palmieri, and Patrik Elias. Two of those were holding calls, three were tripping calls (one negated because Jussi Jokinen embellished acted unsportingly), and there was a goaltender interference call.  Those are frustrating to watch because those are avoidable calls.  One could make a case that the tripping call on Palmieri was ticky-tacky; but the Devils played with fire in giving Carolina that many opportunities to get back into the game.  Especially with the latter two coming so close together in the third period, which gave the Canes 44 seconds of 5-on-3 to work with.   Fortunately, they didn't get burned.

Penalty Kill Dynamos: The Devils have yet to allow a power play goal despite all of their efforts at giving the opposition chances to do so in their first two games.  Unlike the Philadelphia game, the Devils were more in control on the PK.  They only yielded 6 shots on net (none of the 5-on-3, their one attempt was blocked by Andy Greene); they forced 2 shots on net shorthanded (and could have had more); and were just massive early in the third period during the 5-on-3 and following 5-on-4 situation.   The Canes were wise to move the puck around the perimeter, but the Devils made sure to get in their way when they attempted to get inside.  I'd like to point out in particular Zach Parise, Andy Greene, and Anton Volchenkov for staying composed in that 5-on-3 situation and in other PK work during the game.  They were great.   I also felt Dainius Zubrus (4:18 of PK time), Henrik Tallinder, Mark Fayne and even Brad Mills were effective as well.   Now, if the team can cut down on the penalties, that would help out this unit - and the team - in the long run.

Technically, the Power Play was Better Today Too:  The Carolina Hurricanes took their own fair share of dumb penalties. Their most costly was Alexei Ponikarovsky hitting Patrik Elias away from the play when the Canes were trying to get a late equalizer. While they pulled their goalie after winning the faceoff, they couldn't maintain control, Ilya Kovalchuk chipped it up to Zach Parise, and Parise iced the game with a power play empty net goal.   Yes, the Devils' first power play goal was into an empty net.

In more seriousness, the Devils did manage more shots on net on their five power plays.  Make that three, since two of them were very short odd-man situations (15 seconds at 5-on-3, 23 at 4-on-3).  They registered 6 shots on net and their problems didn't stem from setting up.  It was in maintaining control once they got into the zone.  The Devils could have benefited with a little more selfishness.  I noticed several incidents where a player (e.g. Elias) had a shooting lane on the side and decided to force a pass to the middle or across the zone in the hopes for a more dangerous one.  While I respect those sorts of decisions, they often led to Carolina clearing the puck in some form.  It's still improvement of sorts.

Mooooooooooooooooose: Johan Hedberg started today's game and had a fine outing.  He made 24 saves, he only got bumped outside of the net which led to the sole fright outside of the net, and his glove was in full effect today.  The two that got past Hedberg really can't be blamed on him, in my opinion.

The first Carolina goal wasn't totally unlike Parise's first goal.  Bryan Allen set up Tim Gleason at the point, he fired a shot that Alexei Ponikarovsky re-directed in the slot.  What was different from Parise's goal was that A) Ponikarovsky did so in the slot and B) the puck took a second deflection off of Greene's skates.  Greene was covering Brent Sutter, who was screening Hedberg.  The puck trickled past the outstretched left leg of Hedberg and into the net.  It was truly a bad bounce.

The second Carolina goal was a little more odd.  Jeff Skinner found Chad LaRose rushing through the neutral zone and hit him with a leading pass.  For some reason, while both Tallinder and Fayne were back, Tallinder was caught off guard somehow.  Instead of skating backwards, he was turned and didn't seem to be balanced.  LaRose fired either a perfect shot to the top right corner himself or he got the perfect angle on Tallinder's stick to deflect it past a surprised Hedberg.    If Tallinder had better body position, then maybe LaRose doesn't even attempt a shot.  Nevertheless, the puck had a small window to get through to get in the net, and LaRose made it happen. 

The Canes' Ferocious First Line:  I wish Vic Ferrari's game Corsi scripts were up, but it wouldn't surprise me if Carolina's first line was their best in possession today.    The trio of LaRose, Skinner, and Eric Staal each attempted at least 6 shots on net.  LaRose put up a team-leading 5 shots on net, including his goal.  Skinner had 3 on net, 2 blocked, and 2 misses.  Staal only got 2 on net, had 1 blocked, and missed the net 3 times.  Those three accounted for 19 of Carolina' 44 total shooting attempts. That's a good outing from what could be an impressive unit for Carolina.  Thankfully, they succeeded in scoring only once.

The Tepid Tuomo Ruutu: Believe it or not, but Tuomo Ruutu played in this game.  He got 14:33 of ice time, no shots on net, and most notably shoved Kovalchuk after he scored his goal.  Punk.

The Faulk Sectoin: OK, so you're Justin Faulk. You're a 19 year old defenseman who's now in the NHL after one season at the University of Minnesota-Duluth.  You're trying to impress Paul Maurice and make a stake on the roster.  It's 4-2 with less than a minute in the game.  Do you try to work hard despite knowing that the game is lost? Do you focus on trying to make it look interesting late?  No, what you do is blind-side Adam Henrique in the head.   Your day ends with a double-minor to go with your "over the glass" minor in the second, Brad Mills wanting to punch your face in, and possibly a call from the league.  Why? I guess it's because you're a jerk, among other terms.   (And maybe he was following Eric "Spearing Larsson" Staal's lead. I really don't know.)

This Rookie Did Well and Didn't Try to Hurt Anyone: Adam Larsson is making me look dumber and dumber by the game.  Yes, I was the one who said back in the summer that going back to the SEL would be better for him.  When that wasn't happening, I kept stressing how his ELC shouldn't be burnt and he could develop just fine in Albany.  Yet, as in preseason, Peter DeBoer keeps giving him big minutes and Larsson is, well, justifying them so far.  Sure, he got a load of power play time, but he also led the team in even strength minutes at 18:30 (Greene was close behind at 18:10). A rookie's not going to get that kind of ice time unless he's deserving to a degree. I'd love to know the Corsi of the Greene-Larsson pairing was in this game, but I thought those two worked well together today.  Should this continue, I'm just going to have own up to being wrong about Larsson and enjoy what he's bringing to the table.

A Few Improved Players from Saturday who Don't Get Their Own Section:  Title is what it is:

Mattias Tedenby - He was moved up to a third line with Zubrus and David Clarkson and he was more active today.  Say what you want about his size, but he's fearless in the corners and behind the net. He's also bold with his stickhandling, which got him out of a few jams.  He only played 9:06, drew a hooking call from Staal, took one silly tripping call, and only got a mere shot on net.  It wasn't the most productive of performances. Yet, I'd like to think that with more performances like today, he'll get more ice time in the future.  I'd also love to see him on a power play unit, too.

Nick Palmieri - He, too, was more active along the boards and with the puck than on Saturday.  Palmieri only got a shot on net, but he picked up two assists and tried a little more on backchecking.  Can't complain about that.

Mark Fayne - He had such a bad night on Saturday that he deserves his due today.  He was much better on the puck and he was more steady in positioning. He looked good and scored his first goal of the season off a sick shot above the right circle.  His only major gaffe was pinching on a power play in the first period, where he didn't succeed and the Canes went off to the races.  Thankfully, Kovalchuk came back and broke up the play to bail Fayne out. That aside, Fayne was quite good.

Dainius Zubrus - Big Z is getting the rust off in a big way.  He imposed himself down low, he registered three shots on net, and racked up significant PK time.  His only misstep was that one penalty, but thankfully Jokinen helped him out by embellishing it. 

Who Didn't Improve: Two players stood out in my mind for not really doing much good today.

David Clarkson - His timing seemed to be off all game long.  He also managed to fall down a few times all on his own.  At least he didn't take any penalties today.

Petr Sykora - Sure, he had an assist on the game's first goal; but what did he really do? I know Elias and Parise are the main men on that first line; but no shots on net? Come on, man.

Kovalchuk Could Use Some Sturdier Sticks: He managed to break two of them on slapshots on the power play.  Both were unfortunate occurrences.  Kovalchuk almost had a blooper moment too. On their last power play of the second period, he cut in just a little too close to Hedberg with the puck, forcing a frantic freeze by Moose.  The fans, understandably, didn't like that. Behind the net, Ilya.  You cut across behind the net on a power play.

Those moments aside, I can't really complain about Kovalchuk's performance today  He wanted to work harder and he did just that.  Early in the game, he pressures a Cane below the dots on defense, curls around as another Devils defender fights him for a puck, and torches past a Cane in the hopes of receiving a leading pass for a breakaway.  It wasn't on target, unfortunately, but it served notice to Carolina that #17 was going to give them problems.   And he did.  He roamed from the point all the way to the corner on offense.  The power plays didn't just focus on him and him alone, which sort of opened up the Devils' power plays.   He turned the puck over fewer times today than he did on Saturday.  He made plays, most notably setting up Fayne's goal with a slick cross-ice pass and chipping the puck up to Parise for the game-icing empty net goal.   Most of all, Kovalchuk scored his first goal - today's game winner.  Josefson chipped it out in front from behind the net, Kovalchuk was down low, forced a pad save by Ward, and fired in his own rebound while warding off a defender.   If this is a hard-working Kovalchuk, then I am all for it.

Captain Makes Due:  Patrik Elias had a fine game with 4 shots and 2 other attempts. He could have had more.  Yet, the real star on that first line was #9.  Zach Parise had a game that showcased why he is so highly regarded.  He didn't do much last season, missing most of it due to injury.  Today, he showed the Devils, the fans at the Rock, the Hurricanes, and the hockey world that he is that good.  He was constantly in motion, almost to a point where he down low in one moment, right in front of the crease in a second moment, and suddenly hustling back to help out on D.  He managed four shots on net, two goals, and two misses.  Parise will only get better as the season rolls on and I'm looking forward to it.

One Final Note: One aspect of today's performance that I cannot stress enough is that the Devils didn't let a bad event ruin their day.  When the Canes tied them up the first time, they got a quick goal in response.  When the Canes tied them up a second time, they didn't panic or freak out. They kept calm and carried on.  When the Canes got a 5-on-3 power play early in the third, they maintained their composure and got a big kill out of it.  Minutes later, the Devils go up 3-2.  When the Canes tried to fight back, the Devils really put a clamp on the game and actually got offensive pressure as the third died down.  Even when it was 4-2, the Devils made an honest effort on their final power play of the game to score, forcing a big glove save from Ward.    This kind of resiliency by the team is admirable; and it's something that I hope continues as the season goes on.  L.A. will provide a good test of that on Wednesday Thursday.

Now that you know my extended thoughts on today's game, what are yours?  Who impressed you in today's game?  Likewise, who didn't really impress you in this game? What about the Devils' or Hurricanes' performance stood out to you the most? Do you think the Devils will take fewer penalties in a game any time soon? Do you think they'll get better on special teams in general? Does this win make you feel much better after Saturday's game? (And if not, why not?)  Do you think the Devils will build on this victory?  Please leave your answers and other thoughts on today's game in the comments. Thanks to everyone who read and commented in the Gamethread; and thank you for reading.

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Of course, just after I post this

I see Zach Parise just made what could be the most inadvertently disturbing quote of the season. From Gulitti:

"I’ve got to give Travis a call," said Parise, referring to the injured Travis Zajac. "It seems I’m taking all his minutes and I’m getting gassed. You know what? Killing is fun. You never want to sit on the bench for two or three minutes. I guess when the time is right it’s always fun to go out and kill a little bit and keep your legs going and stay in the game."

Or as it’ll be quoted later:

You know what? Killing is fun.

I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

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by John Fischer on Oct 10, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

[Quote] I guess when the time is right it’s always fun to go out and kill a little bit…[/quote]
This isn’t much better either.

by SonicJoe on Oct 10, 2011 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oops, forgot what the quote tag was. Should’ve looked like this:

I guess when the time is right it’s always fun to go out and kill a little bit…

by SonicJoe on Oct 10, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what? Killing is fun.

Zach must have went to the Tom Bertuzzi school of hockey.

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by slackdog_rm on Oct 10, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Todd Bertuzzi…. grumble grumble grumble

There is nothing quite as satisfying as out running security after you've punched out a Flyers fan!
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by slackdog_rm on Oct 10, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can’t disagree with any of your take here. I didn’t see most of Saturday’s game, but they came out much better today. I even liked some of what Nick Palmieri was doing. The Tedenby-Clarkson-Zubrus line, while not getting a ton of scoring chances, were really excellent at keeping the puck down low. That’s going to be a line to watch.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I liked what Tedenby did in limited ice time. He’s still such a lightweight that a little bump sends him off balance and so he’s not able to make the plays he wants to, but he’s been drawing a lot of penalties and he’ll eventually find ways to truly break free of his checks and start getting shots and assists.

Palmieri was better today. I’m not convinced he’s the right man for the job, but he was far more involved in the play today and complemented his linemates instead of getting in their way.

by dr(d)evil on Oct 11, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

  • Larsson’s move to keep the puck in the offensive zone on a PP wowed me.
  • Hey, Fayne’s not that bad finally… A few more of these goals and I’ll turn in a “Fayne’s got a shot” believer.
  • It’s definitely a part of his game but Kovy’s taking too much risk with the puck. Help yourself buddy.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 10, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

It lives!!

I spent the game in the penalty box, er, I mean cubicle. Sounds like a great time, though. I’m that much more pumped for Thursday night now.

Larsson’s ability to eat huge minutes right out of the gate is astonishing.

Very pleased by this win.

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by bergenline on Oct 10, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Larsson is playing incredibly solid hockey right now, and the scary thing is (for opponents that is) is that he’s likely to only get better.

I agree with the Teddy to 2nd PP unit/higher line sentiment. IMO, I feel a Kovy – JJ – Teddy line could work well.

by skly27 on Oct 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

-Larsson is awesome. I loved the nifty little move he did to keep the puck in on one of the powerplays.

-Tedenby played a really awesome game. I kept saying all game that he deserved to score. It’s too bad every time he schooled a defender he passed the puck off to Clarkson who proceeded to just skate around and eventually give the puck up.

-Speaking of Clarkson, I wonder if the Hurricanes all go to the same skating coach as him, because they still seem incapable of staying on their feet. It is truly pathetic how often they dive, and it is MUCH more apparent in person than on TV (today was my first time seeing them in person).

-All in all, fun game, and a decent crowd considering the circumstances.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It is truly pathetic how often they dive

until the refs in the league figure this out, it’s going to continue. they haven’t figured it out yet.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It shouldn’t be up to the ref. Shanny should review every penalty call and if he sees a dive, he should fine/suspend a guy based on the number of times the guy has been caught. You’ll see diving go away in a hurry.

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by slackdog_rm on Oct 10, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanahan has to do with player safety, this has nothing to do with it.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Oct 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

His job is safety and discipline, if someone shoves a linesman or ref Shanny would be the one to lower the boom.

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by slackdog_rm on Oct 11, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

they did receive a diving penalty today. It was off the Zubrus trip.

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by joshd12 on Oct 10, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved the lines today- DeBoer made some good adjustments from last game. Seems the players listened and followed with what he wants done on the ice.

Tedenby was awesome. Josefson was good in his own end. Palms was great in the 3rd. Tallinder was probably the worst player, which isn’t saying much. If Sykora keeps playing the way he is and Tedenby the same, I can see them switching places. I guess Sykora can play LW with Clarkson and Zubrus.

One thing that John missed – Salvador had a great game today. He was physical, his stick was in good position, and his position on the ice was great (ie. he didn’t look slow).

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 10, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I was actually thinking about a possible Sykora/Clarkson swap. I know we wouldn’t want to hold down Parise and Elias with Clarkson’s shenanigans, but I would like to see Tedenby play with Sykora a little.

I was thinking the same thing about Salvador. I like the idea of the “shutdown pair” of him and Volchenkov. It also really makes things easier on the PK because their shifts are already synchronized. They might be an expensive pairing for what they bring, but their presence makes it easier for the skill players on other lines matchup wise.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallinder was probably the worst player

Tallinder bailed out Fayne big time when he laid out on the ice to smother Eric Staal’s 2-on-1 chance. The puck was turned up ice and led to Fayne’s goal. Also, though LaRose got Tallinder turned around on his goal, it was Fayne’s poor outlet pass that gave the Canes the puck and allowed LaRose to step into the Devils’ zone with a head of steam. Fayne still looked a little jittery in game #2 and he’s lucky he has Tallinder as a partner.

by dr(d)evil on Oct 11, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The puck got through Tallinder on that play. Yeah, he delayed him enough that the centering pass wasn’t very good, but Tallinder is completely out of the play now. But Skinner was right on top of Moose. Do you know who tied up Skinner and got in better position so Moose could knock it away? It was Fayne. He skated his butt back for secondary help, then skating his heart out the other way to score that goal.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 11, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and the next game is Thursday night ; )

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 10, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Blast! I am foiled!

I’ll go correct it all accordingly. Thanks.

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by John Fischer on Oct 10, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, they were sharper, smarter and faster today. Zach Parise and Mattias Tedenby really stood out. I’d like to see Tedenby and Palmieri swap lines, because I think Tedenby would bring another offensive element to that line.

I am impressed with what a difference one game makes. They weren’t perfect: they still took a lot of penalties and could have been smarter with some offensive chances, but they were much better all-around. I’m very satisfied personally.

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by DownGoesAvery on Oct 10, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think DeBoer would put together a Kovalchuk-Josefson-Tedenby line. Too much of a risk defensively, and no one to go deep and dig the puck out of corners effectively.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today’s game was my first regular season game as a season ticket holder (bought the Black partial plan). Missing a half day of work to go watch the Devils play = heavenly sweetness.

My thoughts from what I saw: Yeah, I agree with the sturdier stick comment. I saw waaaay too many broken sticks and it wasn’t just Kovy. These companies need to put out a better product if they’re going to charge $250 for a stick (I know the players don’t pay for them, but I do!)

2 really stupid mistakes: Elias skating headlong into Ward to take the goalie interference call. I know Ward was out of the crease but Elias just bowled him over. Then there’s Kovy trying to win Dangle Nasty award of the year… and inexplicably trying to do it in the crease of Hedberg. Good presence of mind by Hedberg to stop it.

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by DrWho720 on Oct 10, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve really disliked Palmieri so far this season, and didn’t understand why he was on this team

With that being said, after he got his first assist, he played amazing…guess the adrenaline got to him.

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by Marty's Better #30 on Oct 10, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, all he was doing in the second half of the game was carrying the puck deep into the offensive zone. Once he gets there he can win battles with most defensemen and at least jar the puck towards the front of the net which is exactly the type of play that led to Kovy’s goal. If he keeps his game simple like that he can certainly be a contributor.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I don’t get this criticism.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Discipline

The 8 power plays given to the Flyers number is a bit misleading, seeing as how, let’s see… 5 of them were in the third period.

that being said, the basic point that discipline is poor so far certainly stands. In two games so far, Elias (3), Sykora (2), Mills (1), Josefson (1), Tedenby (1) Zubrius (1), and Palmieri (1) have all taken poor discipline penalties (hooking, holding, tripping, etc…). That’s just horrible, and is something that DeBoer needs to address yesterday.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They played much better this afternoon. The refs are calling everything so they need to play smarter and cut down on the penalties…… Parise was flying all over the ice, Kovalchuk aside from almost putting in a goal against Hedberg played well and the defense and goalkeeping was good. The attendance wasn’t bad for a Holiday afternoon game. Overall; Good Effort!

by Mayden on Oct 10, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Fayne

That aside, Fayne was quite good.

I knew that this was going to be said this evening (he scored a goal after all), and I wanted to jump in and say that I disagree.

I noticed not only the play where he was beaten while pinching on the power play, but several others that occurred during even strength play as well. The big difference between today’s game and Saturday’s was that Tallinder hung back and covered Fayne.

I’m convinced that this kid doesn’t belong on the NHL roster. He’s not a total disaster, but he shouldn’t be starting. I’d much rather see Frasier for now, and Fayne can be sent down to Albany to learn from his experience.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Stats from last year, say Fayne is a very capable NHL player, just saying.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Oct 10, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

which stats? 14 points (4 goals, 10 assists)?
Keep in mind that he’s a defenseman… if he’s constantly getting torched by opposition forwards, then he’s doing more harm than good.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Advanced stats, shown in other posts in the past. One that comes to mind is that for Tallinder to be carrying Fayne, he would have had to play like Niklas Lidstrom. That’s enough said right there.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Oct 10, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

One that comes to mind is that for Tallinder to be carrying Fayne, he would have had to play like Niklas Lidstrom

… I don’t follow.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

tallinder played extremely well when being paired with fayne last season. if fayne is bad, that means that tallinder has to be really, really good. which i don’t think he is.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time will tell, I guess. Tallinder is a good player, but from what I’ve noticed so far this season Fayne is only holding him back.

what stats, specifically, are you guys looking at though? Corsi?

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. fayne’s corsi is excellent. he’s a good player.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, Fraser’s corsi was 7.7 last year, tied for third with Fayne’s.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i do know that. i also know that fraser played against easier competition and had easier ice time.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just about anyone playing with Tallinder is going to get good ice time. Tallinder is an all-star caliber defensemen.

I want to see something that shows that Fayne is a good defenseman in his own right. Pointing to Tallinder with some cryptic remark about him needing to play like a HOF’er doesn’t mean anything.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

tallinder isn’t an all star caliber defenseman.

nothing will show that fayne is a good defenseman in his own right because he spent a huge amount of time with tallinder.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

tallinder isn’t an all star caliber defenseman.
That raised an eyebrow. I’ve been reading your other comments for a while now and I respect your opinion (a lot), but… clearly, we’re not on the same wavelength here.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that 12 defensemen are considered “all stars” every season, there is no way Tallinder is all star caliber. Would you really place him in the top 12 in the entire league? I like him a lot and I would say he’s definitely underrated, but no way he’s top 10 or 20 in the league.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

with 2 points in 26 games….

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re both defensemen.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

they’re firstly hockey players…

Even a defensive minded coach like Lemaire admitted it last year, Defensemen have to be pts producers nowadays…

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 10, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and gvt. Tallinder had the 2nd highest defensive gvt in the league last year. Fayne’s defensive gvt was remarkably high for a rookie who only played part of the season. Now a lot of things factored in to those numbers (Devils goaltending was statistically horrible last year), but all in all considering the ridiculously awesome defensive play by the Tallinder-Fayne pairing, and the team as a whole after the New Year, it’s really not that off base.

In conclusion. Fayne is pretty good.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fayne is better defensively than Fraser and exponentially better offensively. At least with Fayne if he makes a stupid play he can potentially make up for it with a great play, like he did today. With Fraser if he messes up that’s basically it. He has no other redeeming qualities really.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, humm… that’s not my perception.
Fraser is more of a stay at home defenseman though, which may explain your perception somewhat. I guess that I just don’t see his (Fayne’s) potential offensive contributions as making up for deficiencies in his primary responsibilities.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fayne’s just a better package overall. Better skater, better shot, better passer, and honestly he’s just as good if not better physically. Sure he has some parts of his game to iron out but he most definitely has the potential to be a nice 17-18 minute all situations defenseman who faces above average competition. In fact, many here would argue he’s already that. I, like yourself, am not totally convinced that Fayne will be a long term contributor, but I do like his chances.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the “better skater” point (the better shot and better passer are true, though).

He is only 24 (Frasier is only 25, but he has slightly more NHL experience). Honestly, I’d bring up someone from Albany to give them a look, but Frasier is already on the NHL roster, so… shrug

I wouldn’t give up on Fayne at all. If it were me, he’d certainly be coming back, but for now he’d be headed to Albany for some coaching and practice. The kid just can’t quite read the opposition defensively right now. Some no pressure time to practice and to think about his nearly 60 games of experience so far would do him good.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

fayne is a much better skater and much better player. fayne’s not going to albany, the devils clearly are willing to use him in all situations.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 10, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I clearly disagree (about Fayne’s level of play).
Realistically, I doubt that Fayne is going to be benched (especially, and he’s a young kid so he should be getting ice time anyway), and I doubt that he’ll be sent down. I just think that he doesn’t deserve the ice time that he’s getting, is all.

by ohms law on Oct 10, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you say Fraser is better. Fraser was put on waivers and CLEARED. Fayne would not clear waivers, not at all.

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by slackdog_rm on Oct 10, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

well thank god your not coach because, Fayne> Fraser.

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by Rory B. Bellows on Oct 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

coaches are making rosters for the first weeks from what they see in preseason, Fayne was good, Fraser was terrible.

And Fraser has already had his chances in the NHL, but he doesn’t improve, and he’s not a smart player.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 10, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Tedenby should play in front of the net on the first unit. Some people like big guys that can screen, but I think it makes more sense to have the player that can maneuver the best in a small tight area play in front, like Gionta used to. Or at least dynamically switch off and on with Parise.

by wolfcaster on Oct 10, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe against some teams but against other teams he would be destroyed. Gionta was only really effective in front of the net in 05-06 when you couldn’t touch anyone in front of your goalie. Now that the rules have relaxed a bit, it is much more difficult for a smaller player to make a living in front of the net.

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

^This. Gionta benefited a huge amount from the post-lockout confusion over the new lines for obstruction/interference penalties. It won’t work for a small player unless they start cracking down on that stuff again.

by SonicJoe on Oct 10, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gionta had a special talent for knocking in rebounds, as well as getting deflections. So does Parise. Tedenby, thus far, hasn’t shown that aptitude yet. He’s not strong enough to do this. He’s best in the corner, where Parise plays on the 1st unit.

by dr(d)evil on Oct 11, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to the free preview of Center Ice on Direct TV I actually got to see this game. This being the first time I’ve been able to see Larsson all I can say is WOW. I don’t want to get too excited but its hard to believe he’s an 18 year old rookie he looks like the real deal. His mother looked more nervous being interviewed then he did on the ice. Seems we hit the jackpot. Zach and Kovy both looked driven today, a good thing their going to need to be for this team to succeed. that said this game showed some promise. There’s bound to be some ups and downs as the youngsters go through the usual growing pains. Overall I’m encouraged and looking forward to a better season then last.

by cjboyd on Oct 10, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Its hard to believe which is more incredible, that the Devils won the draft lottery or that Larsson was still available at #4. Still, I don’t want to get too excited yet. The season’s young, and there is still a lot of time for him to show his age. For all we know, he could just be on a hot streak right now and his game might cool off. 4 preseason games and 2 regular season games do not make for full impressions. I hope I’m wrong and his game only gets stronger, and he gets a 15 year contract extension, but time will tell.

by SonicJoe on Oct 10, 2011 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

...too early

is it too early to dub the top line of Elias, Sykora, Parise the ‘ESP’ line?

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by leed's 13th child on Oct 10, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Does that mean that a Parise-Mills-Sykora line will be the “PMS” line?

by dkball7 on Oct 10, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can dig it.

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by leed's 13th child on Oct 10, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

PESt line fits as well. I have a feeling whoever is with Elias and Parise is going to generate offense. I kind of want to see what Teddy has to offer there. His work along the boards were great tonight.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 10, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer “A Line 2.0”

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by slackdog_rm on Oct 10, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Let’s wait until Sykora contributes more.

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by John Fischer on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really need to continue the trend of putting together some name for a line? The Crash Line made some sense, but now we just go off of initials now…EGG, ZZPops, ZIP…

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by Marty 4 Prez on Oct 11, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Time on Ice Even Strength Corsi scripts are up. Devils vs. Canes (Flyers game as well)

Devils netted an even 0 today (About right I guess). They were minus-9 against the Flyers (duhh)

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 10, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Cool. Let me go add the link to the Corsi chart in this recap.

They were minus-9 against the Flyers (duhh)

Given that they were losing 3-0, you can substitute “duhh” with “ugggggh.”

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by John Fischer on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALSO: Larsson was a +2 and Greene was at 0. Very good considering they got a ton of minutes in a game that was back-and-forth with respect to score.

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by John Fischer on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha…If I had to guess, I bet the Corsi after two periods was minus-2 or minus-3. The 3rd period was probably where the Flyers pulled away.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 10, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing worse than what Kovy did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygi2SUWwk98

Seriously, could you imagine if that went in? That video would be on every blog and sports-related publication and sports shows for days.

by Dr. Witticism on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t take this comment the wrong way. Kovalchuk was super totally awesome amazing tonight. I just thought that one play was pretty funny.

by Dr. Witticism on Oct 11, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a reckless and a stupid move, But Moose’s been his teammate for years, he knew Kovy would do that.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 11, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find it amazing how many people can watch two games, one against a team with a game under it’s belt while the Devils were playing their first after a six day rest, and draw such emphatic conclusions.

Hey guys and gals it is only two games in. Give it a break.

The coach is finally getting to see what he has as the team plays under game conditions. Just because the Flyers looked to be in mid-season form doesn’t mean that every team is in the same situation. Rust has to be shaken off, chemistry has to develop between players who haven’t played together, timing has to improve and the accuracy of shots has to improve. I think that it’s better to sit back and watch the first couple of weeks before we start drawing any conclusions about the personnel on the ice and behind the bench.

That said, I was glad to see the Zach is back. He’s still rusty but that should disappear shortly. I think he played a more complete game today than he ever did. Not only was he a presence on offense, but a solid performer on defense. I think with his work ethic he should be selected as the team captain. Oh, he was.

It looks as if Lou has found another gem in Adam Larsson. He plays the game as if he is a veteran with years in the league. The other players very quickly picked up on how solid he plays and you can see that the rest of the team trusts him to do the right things. I know it’s early in his career but I think he has the temperament and the mind set to succeed.

On to the rest of the season.

by Barry G on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

First Cane's Goal = Referee's Fault

I happen to be watching a late night replay right now, and you all might remember that Larsson was flying toward the opposition’s blue line with another Devil breaking down the middle, only to have the linesman trip Larsson and send him flying. But more unfortunate than this lost opportunity was the fact that the puck landed right on a Cane’s stick and they were now breaking into our zone half a second later. Now it takes maybe 45 seconds for the goal to happen, but what’s important is that the Canes got into the zone because the linesman tripped Larsson, and since the Devils couldn’t get the puck out until the Canes finally scored, it was all still part of the same play that simply began with the trippy turnover.

Good thing it didn’t matter in the end. This team looked so, so fast tonight. Kovy, Parise, Elias, Tedenby, Sykora, and Josefson (to a somewhat lesser extent) were all flying tonight. And I still can’t believe how aggressive the team is. This is great if Deboer can instill a more offensive-minded style of play in the players. As this game showed, such a style does not necessarily require sacrificing defensive ability.

by Dr. Witticism on Oct 11, 2011 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh and Larsson has somehow managed to exceed my expectations already. It’s not like he’s lighting the lamp or something, but that’s not the most important thing to see in an 18 year old defenseman playing in his first two ever NHL games. What’s important and, more importantly, what he does so amazingly well, is positioning, hockey sense, and playing all roles. But it’s his positioning so far that really stands out to me. I haven’t seen him caught way out of position even once. He always seems to know exactly where to be. It seems like it’s easy for him to know when to pinch, when to stay back, and when to do just about everything else.

It’s amazing to see this kind of play from any rookie, but an 18 year old defenseman? Are you kidding me? I haven’t seen a single “rookie mistake,” which every rookie usually makes. If I didn’t know who he was and I watched tonight’s game, I would have guess he had been in the league for at least three years.

Oh, and one last thing: Andy Greene is invisible. He’s a great magician though — making $3,000,000 disappear is quite a feat.

by Dr. Witticism on Oct 11, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greene’s job isn’t to be noticed. He’s the 83rd highest paid defenseman in the NHL. He’ll get between 25 and 35 points, depending on how much power play time he gets, and he’ll make the smart play most of the time.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 11, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second line Right Wing NEED IT!!

Devils had a great second game however I think that Palmieri and Josefson will have hard time this season.You cannot leave a guy like Kovalchuk play with these rookies! He deserved better linemates! Palmieri has been terrible so far…

Devils should look for another right wing.JP-Dumont that still a free agent would be a perfect fit.

Here’s other reasons why he would be a good fit:

- We NEED right wingers

- He would not cost allot of money and he could play on the first 2 lines. He struggle last season due to injuries and problems with his coach however here’s his stats from previous season:
 07-08 80 games played and 72pts
 08-09 82 games played and 65pts
 09-10 70 games played and 45 pts/played on 3rd and fourth line!

- Was really good with Lindy Ruff/the Sabres under a defensive system.

- When Zajac would come back we could make with him play with Dumont and Parise while Kovy play with Elias and Sykora.

- To succed this season Devils needs more offensive depth.

Let me know your thoughts!

by kovalchuk007 on Oct 11, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

is Dumont still a free agent because his skills have declined? Is he looking for too much money ? Is he happy accepting his buyout money and doesn’t care? I dont know why he is still a free agentbut he only scored 19 points last year and any of those reasons are troubling to me. If he was willing to play for a good value and he still had decent skills , he would be on an NHL roster right now. I personally would not want to see the Devils go in the direction of signing an overpaid aging wing on the downside of his career just to fill a spot on the right.

by JTdevs on Oct 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that sounded like irony, but we signed Sykora at a low price.

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by Marty 4 Prez on Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah yeah good thing I added “overpaid” otherwise it would have fit to a T. The price was right with Sykora so imo it made sense to make one such move with a player the organization is familiar with.

by JTdevs on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch the Fayne goal again – having a right handed shot streaking down the right side with Kovalchuk is big. Defensemen and goalies have to respect Kovalchuk’s shot and it opens things up on the other side of the ice. Leaving aside the fact that Dumont’s NHL career is probably over because his speed is gone, he’s a lefty shot. It’s much harder for a lefty to take advantage of that situation.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you started it up again kovalchuk007…..here come all the he is 33 to old to play comments. We just had this same conversation about Sykora.

Never the less JTdevs questions are about the same I have. Why does this guy not have a contract?

by NJDOhio on Oct 11, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

players age at different rates. one dimensional scorer types tend to age ‘faster’, since if they’re not burying their shots, they’re taking up space. dumont had a tryout with montreal but couldn’t make the team.

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by Triumph44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, was he too tall?

by elesias on Oct 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i loled

I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.

by Murdoc on Oct 11, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

????

@ NJDOhio

I’m not starting again and never had same conversation about Sykora cause I just join this forum today,First Post…

by kovalchuk007 on Oct 11, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic. Wasn’t faulting you for your post. It was just similar to conversations here regarding Sykora.

by NJDOhio on Oct 11, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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