They Don't Like the New Jersey Devils, We Shouldn't Care
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Tomorrow begins the 2011-12 NHL regular season for the New Jersey Devils. This is not a recap of what happened last time for the Devils. We know what happened. The Devils fell flat on their face for a multitude of reasons, both controllable and uncontrollable. The team was in such a deep hole such that they had a mere 9 wins by Christmas 2010. In fact, those 9 wins weren't even decisive with two coming in overtime and two coming from a shootout. It was that bad. A far superior second half of the season couldn't make up that much of a difference in the standings; and so they missed the playoffs. We know that.
We, the fans, expect better this season. We, the writers of ILWT, predicted that they will and explained why in a week-long preview not too long ago. Yet, outside of here, Driving Play, the Star Ledger, and perhaps a few other places, larger media outlets for hockey see the Devils ending up in the same place again: out of the playoffs. The Hockey News feels the Devils will be back in fourth in the Atlantic and eleventh in the East. Greg Wyshynski of Puck Daddy sees the happening to the Devils in his preview. Scott Burnside wrote a predictably negative preview of the Devils over at ESPN. The Sports Network wired this preview article to various papers, here in the Calgary Herald, that calls for a second straight season without the playoffs. This isn't to say that all who have argued as such are dead wrong and it can't possibly happen. Likewise, this isn't to say they won't be wrong either. But as a fan, you can't help but figure there's just not a lot of respect here.
Of course, there really isn't. Will that change the organization? Of course not. It's something that I think Devils fans should get behind for this season. Let's explore the general lack-of-respect sentiment first before getting into that.
Kevin wrote about this seemingly lack of respect in a post last Tuesday. I see where he's coming from and the reactions from the various users the comments as well. The most poignant one came from Barry G with the following:
First, the Devils play in New Jersey, the home of gasoline tank farms and the Sopranos, a piece of land that happens to lie between New York and Philadelphia. Second, Lou was never warm and fuzzy with the press, so they take it out on him by what they write. Third, while there are four teams in the greater metro area (I'm including Philly) the Devils have been the best team for most of the past decade, embarrassing the other clubs.
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Get used to it guys and gals, the coverage will not change. It's because a team dared to come to New Jersey, and develop into a top notch club while the other three teams, in the "major markets" wallowed in mediocrity or worse. As a transplanted New Yorker who has lived here for many years, I can understand the psyche of the New York, Philly and NHL press. Their teams are always good while our team sucks, until the opposite is proven at the end of the season.
Let's hinge on the second point Barry made before jumping into the other two. Of course, the media wouldn't like Lou very much. Getting any inside information from sources out of New Jersey is incredibly tight. If the Devils make a trade, then it seems to come "out of nowhere," because no one can get a reliable grasp on what is happening behind the scenes. The Devils aren't usually forthcoming with salary information when announcing a new signing. Lou himself usually isn't forthcoming with any information unless it's not something that can be used against him or the Devils. From a management standpoint, this ability to keep everything close and secretive is admirable and advantageous. From a media perspective, it's anathema and so there aren't a lot of friends among reporter and the like. From our perspective as fans, it has it's plusses and minuses.
Even if Lou did a 180 and forced the Devils to become infinitely more open to the press and public, the Devils probably wouldn't get the credit they deserve from the larger media. The other two points Barry raised are important: New Jersey itself does not have a respectable perception. When an organization from said locale succeeds in the faces of larger "big markets" like New York and Philadelphia, those based in those markets aren't pleased.
For those of you unaware, let me explain why New Jersey, the state, has such a poor perception. Even though there are millions of people from so many different backgrounds, there have been general stereotypes about the state of New Jersey. They've propagated and mutated for decades. After living here for a little bit (or a while), you just tend to roll your eyes at them all. In the interest of brevity, I would like to combine the many stereotypes I've heard about this state and its denizens. This is a fly-over/drive-through state known for highways, gas farms, pollution, and traffic congestion. The women have big hair, the men have big attitudes, the youngsters (or people who think they're young) are have tans like Hulk Hogan and rule the shore every summer, the mob lurks in the shadows in some parts with gangs in the other, and everyone's got a big mouth. The state is really mostly comprised of either suburbs of New York City or Philadelphia. Any cities within the state - Newark, Camden, Trenton - are really small and shouldn't be visited on the count of being too dangerous or depressed. This leads some to lump New Jerseyans as essentially either being New Yorkers or Philadelphians - especially to the media since those are the markets - yet but no one from either city really wants them associated with their city. The most famous New Jerseyans not named Bruce Springsteen - whose most famous album was about leaving New Jersey - or Jon Bon Jovi are people playing characters; even on the "reality" shows. And, of course, everyone in New Jersey loves Springsteen & Jovi. None of these are considered to be compliments.
In terms of sports, New Jersey even looks worse. No one apparently cares enough to fill stadiums outside of the NFL, and any success by a team here has to be down to one or two simple truths that don't quite explain it all. For the Devils, that would be the neutral zone trap along with a fanatical devotion to defense. For the Nets earlier in the 2000s, that would be Jason Kidd carrying a roster. For Rutgers in 2006, that would be Ray Rice (even though he truly destroyed in 2007) and a weak schedule. The former two apparently still play in a swamp and it's a common error for people to forget Rutgers plays in Piscataway. Sports have furthered the "just suburb of NYC" image with the NY Giants, NY Jets, and NY Red Bulls all playing and practicing in New Jersey and not in the city/state they represent. Even the Women's Professional Soccer franchise that plays on Yurcak Field in Piscataway doesn't even call out that they're in New Jersey - they're just Sky Blue FC. When Jeff Vanderbeek was espousing that the Devils are truly Jersey's team, he wasn't wrong. With the Nets jumping to Brooklyn, the Devils will be the sole major professional sports team to state they are from New Jersey. Considering what many believe about the state as a whole, what franchise wants to represent New Jersey, an unrespectable place as a whole?
I understand that stereotypes, by their definition, do hold some truth to them. North Jersey is dominated by the NYC media market to a point where the state is just considered a part of the New York Metropolitan area; and south Jersey is similarly dominated by the Philadelphia media market. The pollution, gas farms, and traffic congestion are real. There are women with big hair, there are men with big attitudes, and some of us really do have big mouths. I could go on further, but the larger point is that the outside sentiment of New Jersey is set in stone, it's not very good, and there's very little we can do about it. We can pretend not to be New Jerseyans, but that would be living a lie. We could be indignant about it, but that's only going to add "whiny" to the laundry list of New Jersey stereotypes. Besides, whoever already believes in all of the above isn't likely to be dissuaded unless they actually want to be, so it's a waste of time. I don't know about you, but my own voice can't override television or popular culture. Therefore, I've resigned to it to a point after living here for 28 years, with one compromise. If outsiders want to think New Jersey has an attitude, then I got their attitude right here: if you don't like us, we don't care.
Of course, Lou Lamoriello - born and raised in Rhode Island - understood that a lot faster before some of these stereotypes even existed. More importantly, he lived it and implemented this sentiment into the organization.
I understand and appreciate that fans have been tired of the same lack of respect the Devils get. They're tired of the Flyers and Rangers getting much of the spotlight despite the fact that the recent championships that have come to this part of the country were won by the Devils. They're unhappy that despite the advances of coverage and communication that the larger media doesn't (or can't?) follow the league nearly as closely as the fans who are truly passionate about the team or the league or the sport to a point that they'll delve into detailed analysis to figure out who's succeeding and failing beyond a narrative. The Devils have been written into a narrative (e.g. "boring people with the neutral zone trap") and so they will remain unless they can be denigrated further. Therefore, larger media sees a team that flopped on their face last year and figure it's likely to happen again either because it's an easier conclusion than trying to figure out what went wrong and whether it's likely to happen again. They don't care as much as we do, and it shows. Unfortunately, it's not going to change any more than the larger stereotypes of New Jersey will be erased. Fortunately, it doesn't take away from the actual victories they have achieved.
Therefore, why not take a page from the Devils? I think I speak for all fans that this season is about redemption. However, it's not redemption on the media's terms or other people's terms. It's about getting back to where the Devils have been for the most part since 1993. It's about getting back to the playoffs and hoping to go deep because that's the goal for this season. It's about continuing to succeed with what we call Devils Hockey. For the uninitiated, that means defense is every player's responsibility, that discipline and professionalism are paramount, and a high work ethic is necessary. These concepts were in place as far back as then as they are now, and they won't be thrown away just because they didn't make the playoff last season - just like they didn't after 1996. The goal is to win as this is a results-oriented business; not to get the approval and respect of the larger media world. The hockey and general sports media has not liked Devils Hockey succeeding in the past and they won't like it now. They don't really want to see New Jersey succeed, especially in the faces of other larger markets. We shouldn't care because we should be focused on the team's success. Let's hope it begins starting tomorrow night with Philadelphia.
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Honestly, I could care less what so many uneducated people say about New Jersey, and especially the Devils
Many of my friends who are rangers fans have all said to me, enjoy parise, he’s going to a winner at the trade deadline. I promptly ask them when’s the last time they won a cup, and it promptly shuts them up. Same goes for flyers fans. its like they don’t understand why I am a devils fan, and this article said it best. Because they play IN new jersey, FOR new jersey. No pretending to be from new york, no jumping ship to BROOKLYN. Just a well-run consistent team that has no off-ice nonsense. That’s why I’m a devils fan
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Other teams fans don’t understand that being a Devils fan brings a unique culture. It’s a culture that breeds respect for the organization and the goals of the organization. This very blog is a part of that culture. Even though the title pay’s homage to the team’s architect, I think that Lamoreillo would prefer “In the Organization We Trust.” This is a culture that he has worked to instill, along with the support of ownership, for almost two decades.
The Rangers culture is one of spending exorbitant amounts of money and still coming up short. It’s a tradition of all New York teams (excluding the Yankees who spend exorbitant amounts of money and periodically win championships).
The Flyers culture is one that focuses on the individual, whether or not it’s Eric Lindros, Ron Hextall, Bobby Clarke, John Leclair, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Chris Pronger, or so on and so forth. The Philadelphia media and fans need to latch on to individual players. Michael Vick. Roy Halladay. Allen Iverson. You get the idea.
Even the Islanders and Penguins, our remaining division rivals, have very different cultures. The Islanders culture used to be similar to the Rangers. The dynasty of the 80s never would have existed in a Salary Cap era with so many great players. Today’s Islander’s team under Garth Snow is beginning to resemble something closer to the Devils culture, but it has a long way to go. Still, I have to commend them for creating a team first culture when it comes to bringing up their own players through development and letting guys like Nabokov sit on the sidelines until they’re ready to play by the rules. The Penguins are a ravenous fanbase but not unlike the Flyers culture they focus on individual players and not the team. Pittsburgh fans in general are an eclectic bunch and well accustomed to both failure (The Pirates) and success (The Steelers).
In the end I’m proud to be a fan of a team with such a rich history and such a strong cultural identity. Any team that identifies itself with success across the board should be revered. Unfortunately it is not.
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If us fans fill the arena
Alot of the anti-Devils stuff from the media will go away.
Try to attend more games everyone and bring friends, family and co-workers to games to try to get them hooked on Devils hockey, it works.
I love New Jersey and know the real truth about our great state.
The Devils have won more titles than all Philly pro sports teams combined in the last 25 years
by Real Big Devils Fan on Oct 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
I wish this were true but I don’t think selling out the Rock more would change the media’s opinion of the Devils. The very nature of the organization makes them a bit media unfriendly. Even if the team wins the Stanley Cup this season (which I hope they do) the media will find a way to blame it on the rest of the league.
If Brodeur wins the Vezina it will be because Lundqvist and Miller played too many games and were exhausted at the end of the season.
If Parise wins the Hart it will be because Ovechkin, Malkin, Sedin(s) and Perry all had off years.
If Larsson wins the Calder it will be… okay the media apparently seems okay with this one.
If DeBoer wins the Adams then Scott Burnside’s head will actually explode.
Come Say Hello! Section 231 - Row 2 - Seat 20
from the “Hockey Specialists” a year ago we were supposed to be a cup contender team . We all know how disappointing that season was.
With almost the same line-up, the addition of Adam Larsson and our prospects getting a bit more of experience….We’re now predicted to be in the bottom of the EC standings.
Ok I got it
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Oct 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
A year ago all of the “Hockey Specialists” had us back in the playoffs because they were just extrapolating the results of the previous few seasons. None of them would acknowledge why they felt this way. Burnside predicted failure as usual.
This season they’re just going off of last season’s results. The media doesn’t understand this organization and never will.
Come Say Hello! Section 231 - Row 2 - Seat 20
I don’t think it is a case of the media not understanding the Devils. It is more of a case of them resenting what they represented as an organization.
When the Devils won the Cup in 1995 instituting the neutral zone trap, some “experts” saw that as the downfall of hockey’s popularity. Instead of seeing other aspects of the game evolving such as player conditioning, the size of the goalie equipment, and the cookie cutter butterfly goaltending style, the writers simply chalked up the lack of scoring to the Devils style of play infecting the rest of the league.
Did the Devils play cut down on the number of opportunities and chances? Absolutely. But by no means was it the sole cause of the lack of scoring in the NHL during the mid-late ’90s. Add the fact that Gretzky was winding down his career, and Lemieux was hit with Hodgkins, and that half the ’95 season games were canceled, and the Devils ’95 Cup winning team did not have a chance to be popular with the fans nor the writers.
Now add the fact that Lamoriello did not openly market his team nor his players individually. Add in the lack of popularity and sell outs even after the team won the Cup in 95, 2000, 2003. Add in the fact that they were one of only four teams from 1995-2003 to win the Cup.
However, it begins and ends with “the trap”. The fact that I still see Ranger fans, and yes even actual writers associate the current Devil teams with the trap is a sign that the neither party was able to cope with their resentment from 1995.
by DiffuseTheBob on Oct 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen
I’ve lived out of the state for a good 5 years and I’ve heard it all (from the very witty up in Cuse to the very hateful down in Georgia). Back in the day, I’d argue my heart out for this state and team. But you’re right. It’s getting old…I’m tired of it. It’s the easy thing to do when people hear New Jersey and the Devils. Things I hear now are nothing I never heard before (the jokes are watered down and unoriginal..it’s almost funny). But I don’t care anymore. I know why those three Stanley Cup banners are up in the rafters.. I know why 3, 4, soon to be 27 and eventually 26 and 30 are next to those banners. I know why I sit below a number of division and conference championship banners. We all do…all New Jerseyians..all Devils fans. We are great people and we take a lot of crap but has that ever stopped us from being who we are?
So what…the mob is everyone..pollution is bad…crime is horrible, tanned idiots control the shore (that shore I grew up in). Forget those people and forget those people that make fun of it and exploit it.
I’m going to eat a porkroll (or taylor ham) egg and cheese sandwich…eat some jersey fresh tomatoes and corn…go to the boardwalk and play the 25 cent candy wheel…and watch the Devils tear up the NHL…I don’t expect outsiders to understand and you won’t until you lived hear.
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I can’t stand that everyone seems to forget that most of those tanned idiots are from Long Island.
I think it was said best that in order to stop this media hate we need to start filling the arena. Ticket sales are up this year. 1700+ new season ticket holders I believe was the last number we saw and single game sales are up. More people are becoming hockey fans everyday. I have turned a few of my friends onto it by taking them to one game. If you can afford to go to a game(even if it’s the worst seat in the arena) just go. That’s the best way to support the team. If we can get to a point where every game is sold out by time the puck drops not only will it provide a great experience for all the fans in attendance, but it will give the team more energy. Teams like washington and pittsburg get all the attention not only because of crosby and ovi, but because they sell out every game. They know that enough people care to want to hear about them. If people don’t want to give credit to the Devils let’s make them. I know this is a far-fetched idea, but it’s the only way that it will ever happen.
People could at least attack us on legitimate things, like living in a state with a stupid high cost of living and insane property taxes, or being corrupt, or toxicity, or stuff like that
Assuming everyone is Italian and a Springsteen fan? Jeez.
All right, I'm pumped.
Love my state.
Love my team.
Quest for #4 begins tomorrow night.
LET’S GO DEVILS.
by JoeyV on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good read.
Being from Staten Island I get a lot of “how can you root for a Jersey team?”
Its almost always from someone who’s a big Jets or Giants fan. My response is easy.
In a lot of ways Staten Island has the same stereotypes against it as Jersey. I couldn’t care less. I’m proud to live in between the biggest city in the world, and New Jersey. And to me, one of the awesome things about NJ is that its between NYC and Philly. Most people aren’t close to one big city, much less 2. How could that be a negative?
I’m a season ticket holder, and I get to the arena in 20 minutes when there’s no traffic. I’m proud to be from SI, and I’m damn proud to be a Devils fan.
I also hope Mayor Booker finds a way to get an NBA team to the Rock permantely. Hopefully the Kings franchise. Newark Knights anyone?
na-na-na-na HEY! You SUCK!!
Give it a couple of months.
Pundits gonna pop off. It’s what they do. But his year is not last year. Or the first 1/2 of last year. If the first 1/2 of the season and the 2nd strained equally at the yoke, then the Devils would have made the playoffs and had an impact last year in shaping Eastern Conference picture. Prediction: The pundits will shut their gobs within 30 days and realize that this team will most likely challenge for a playoff spot.
With the shuffle up and additions this year, things look promising. I like this new coach and the fact that he’s shown commitment to a merit-based system for playing time, and I have high hopes for this year’s team.
Well Said John. This is all about redemption. The Bruins didn’t pout after they got humiliated a few seasons back by Phailadelphia. They put that behind them and they won the cup. One incident doesn’t mean the team sucks. The team should know that and they should be ready to win.
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That's it. I'm sending you to El Paso to live with your real parents.
by Kevin Sellathamby on Oct 7, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
I am looking forward to this season more more so then I can remember. In a long time. Not sure exactly why. Probably because I’m hoping for redemption. Like mentioned.
It has driven me crazy the lack of respect and outrageous predictions the team has gotten in the past. But honestly for this year. A prediction of just falling short of the playoffs is not that far fetched. So it honestly hasn’t bothered me when I’ve read them.
Your preachin to the choir John, none of us care. We know how deadly this team can be.
Bleed Black & Red
by Goblechuk on Oct 8, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Media Perceptions
The fact that I have to continue to read Henrik Lundqvist’s name associated with the term “All-World” is downright laughable. How can a goalie be called “All-World” when he has never been past the 2nd round of the NHL playoffs? He’s never won a Cup, he’s never won a Vezina.
Imagine if Martin Brodeur played for the New York Rangers and accomplished exactly what he did in New Jersey.
Every game would be a tribute to his career. Each commercial would be about his potential final year.
He would be one of the biggest stars in the entire country, not just for the NHL, in all of sports.
To boost your spirits for the forthcoming season; if the Devils had a “normal” year last year they not only would have made the playoffs, but they would have bumped the Rangers out of a post-season slot. This is the same Rangers team (now with the latest “second coming” in Brad Richards) that the experts pick for 5th or 6th in the conference and the Devils picked for 11th or 12th.
Let the games begin. Go Devils.
i have an idea that will solve this problem
Let’s move the Devils to Seattle :)
by Devils_from_Seattle on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 AM EDT reply actions
surprising forecasts
personally, i think we are going to win the Cup in the next season, or 2. why?
brodeur/hedberg – set in net
volchenkov/tallinder/salvador/greene/larsson/fayne/fraser/etc. – this is the best defense we have iced in a long time. salvador is excellent in his own end, larsson looks more than competent already, and i expect volchenkov and tallinder to play well. greene-eh. the youth looks promising, as well.
parise/kovy/elias – the big 3. try and stop them all. if we can get elias on the wing, even better. zajac/zubrus/sykora as the supporting vets, and the next wave – palmieri/josefson/teddenby/henrique. clarkson is the x-factor, hopefully he shows up. we could use a top-2 C, but that’s about it. this lineup can score.
do any of these experts remember the will and the play of this team down the stretch last season? led by elias and kovy at forward and volchenkov and tallinder on defense, we were a point machine with a real coach and some health. add in parise, salvador, larsson… and some expected improvement from returning players, and i don’t see too many holes. prepare to be pleasantly surprised this season
taste my blintzkrieg!
the 3-man rush is an admission of lunacy, cowardice, and defeat-please stop.
For those of you
who keep saying “We need to fill the arena”, the Devils have to give us good reasons to fill it. They miss the playoffs last year and they had the audacity to jack up prices in a number of sections on top of the “status quo” crap. The product on the ice has to justify the costs. Not only they have to be good to very good, they almost have to be downright exciting night after night. Like it or not a high-tempo, offensive game tends to get the crowd more involved. Washington and Pittsburgh are examples.
that's crap
I have no desire to watch a star-crossed goal-filled game night after night. There’s nothing wrong with the way the Devils play hockey, except for when MacFail was behind the bench. The ticket prices are about economics, it’s always easy for us to just point at this or that and say its unfair.
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Be honest
Is the casual fan(or even a few hardcore fans) willing to shell out $60 to sit upstairs to watch the Florida Panthers, Lightning or Islanders on a weeknight? That’s too much, especially for a team who hasn’t done anything on the ice recently.
I thought Devils fans go to Devils games to see the Devils play?
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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 8, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They do. But it's a fringe league
with the exception of a few markets. If a rival or a box-office draw isn’t in town, or if it’s not an important game there needs to be “incentives” for more fans to come out, ie the team playing good to great hockey and good marketing(discounts/lower prices).
That’s why the Devils implemented the Premium, Classic and Special variable pricing. Here’s the Devils schedule . You can sit center ice in the 200s for $30. That’s an incredible deal.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
For just 10 games?
Weren’t they in the $20s not too long ago? Don’t care about premiere games because they should all sellout or come close anyway(but wouldn’t be shocked if they don’t).
It’s called inflation. Prices go up. The team has to make money too to pay Kovy, Elias, Parise, Marty, etc etc. This is a business. Revenue – Expenses, you get it.
10 games is fine. Over 24% of home games is pretty good. There aren’t a lot of weekday games against “unimportant teams” either. In fact I have the numbers – There’s been 18 or 19 home games each season on weekdays (Mon to Thurs) since Prudential Center opened. So that’s over 50% of weekday games with better incentives to go to games. What more do you want? These are lame excuses.
Promotional schedules attract more fans as well. Since the rock opened – There’s a 2.7% increase in attendance when there’s a promotion. A 3.7% increase on weekdays (again Mon to Thurs). The schedule hasn’t been released yet (a big problem I have). About 32.5% of games have had promotions.
I’m a college student. I make most of my money during the summers (I’m a shore kid). I"m a STH for the first time and the discounts were awesome. I couldn’t say no. I know some people can’t afford it. I’m barely getting by now with my purchase. I understand that. It’s not going to work for everyone. But that’s why they did this flex thing to attract people on weekdays on a bit of the cheap. Thart’s why they have all these different all star plans, payment schedules, flex plans, variable pricing. I think they are doing a great job on that part. But it’s never enough I guess. There’s a difference between wanting incentives and being greedy and/or being too lazy to go games.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 8, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Last year showed us that ALL the games are important games. A couple more early wins and the season could have ended way differently due to how hot they were down the stretch. And I echo Matt’s sentiment. Me, I’m a Devils fan. I go when I can (hey, being out of work for a year is hard to catch back up from) to see them play. Most of the time it doesn’t usually matter who they’re playing, the timing of the game according to my schedule is more important than the opponent.
Go Devils
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Need to lose weight?
Washington and Pittsburgh are examples of losing teams that hit the jackpot in the NHL lottery.
Washington was able to add Alexander Ovechkin and Nik Backstrom through the draft process.
Pittsburgh was able to add Marc-Andre Fleury, Evgeni Malkin, Sidney Crosby, and Jordan Staal due to years of losing.
The Devils finally benefited from a pick above the 15th slot since 1993 last season when they drafted Larsson.
Let’s not think the Devils are all of a sudden going to change their team philosophy, start playing high-tempo offense, and then start losing perennially to grab top 5 picks. None of this will happen.
We have Martin Brodeur, arguably the greatest goalie of all-time. We have Zach Parise, the current best American hockey player. We also have Ilya Kovalchuk, who is one of the top 5 goal scorers in the entire league.
The fans should be pleased with the current team, and be glad we’re not living on Long Island, where they have won one playoff series since 1993.
by DiffuseTheBob on Oct 8, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, the only reason those teams are exciting is because they drafted the best offensive players in the world. It’s not the style they play but the players they have that put people in the seats. If you don’t think there is enough incentive to go watch devil games, your insane, The years of success didn’t exactly sell out either, so that theory goes out the window.
And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?
We as Devils fans should embrace the defensive game we are known for. When I see a good back check, a clear out of the zone on the PK, or a solid one-on-one defensive play – I cheer. We all should. It wins games. As John said:
It’s about continuing to succeed with what we call Devils Hockey. For the uninitiated, that means defense is every player’s responsibility, that discipline and professionalism are paramount, and a high work ethic is necessary.
I think the boring factor is a crap excuse now – with players like Parise, Kovy, and Elias. Season ticket sales went up, individual tickets were going at a faster rate. And this season is about getting back to where we belong. I’ve said for a while that missing the playoffs may be a blessing in disguise. The fans went nuts in the last home game against Boston last year – cheered the team for a solid second half season. If the Devils go back to their usual ways, I think this is the year we see attendance numbers go way up. 16k+ average would be the highest since 98-99. We even saw a preseason record this year.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For those of you who keep saying "We need to fill the arena", the Devils have to give us good reasons to fill it.
Perennial success, a living legend in net, the potential to watch a star defenseman blossom and at least two of the most exciting forwards in the entire League are not reasons? How about to support the team, the players, the area and local businesses? How about the state of the art arena that dwarfs the other local arenas one would have to pay to attend a game in?
They miss the playoffs last year and they had the audacity to jack up prices in a number of sections…
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but the price of pretty much everything has gone up, including the salary cap and player salaries. That money has to come from somewhere.
…on top of the "status quo" crap.
By this I’m guessing you’re referring to Lou’s tight-lippedness, in which case I’m not exactly sure why you’d be upset about it now. It’s been that way since he took over.
The product on the ice has to justify the costs.
Don’t tell that to Winnipegians or Torontonians.
Wait, are you proposing a sliding scale for ticket prices based on recent performance?
Not only they have to be good to very good, they almost have to be downright exciting night after night.
What’s more exciting than hockey?
Excitement is what you make of it. Right now, for example, I have a lot of friends going on and on about how exciting the MLB postseason has been and how they just can’t understand how someone couldn’t get amped up for it. I watched a half an inning last night and fell asleep.
Point is, excitement is different things for different people. Back-and-forth run-and-gun offenses are great for ESPN, and perhaps for drawing in some casual fans, but it’s not what hockey is about any more than a home run derby is what baseball is about, and it’s almost certainly not a recipe for success in the NHL.
Like it or not a high-tempo, offensive game tends to get the crowd more involved.
Like it or not, a defensive game tends to get the team more wins.
The trick is finding the right balance of the two.
Washington and Pittsburgh are examples.
Washington and Pittsburgh are examples of teams who’ve become more and more defensive minded, and benefit from generational offensive talents.
Perennial success
Not recently.
a living legend in net, the potential to watch a star defenseman blossom and at least two of the most exciting forwards in the entire League are not reasons?Whom all should be well-marketed. There was a Brook Lopez billboard behind one of the skyscrapers in Downtown Newark. Put one for Kovy. Put Capt. Zach on billboards along the highways. Harp on the fact this could be Marty’s last season. Advertise.
Been a fan since 92 so I am used to it; doesn’t mean i have to like it as well as other fans who deserve to know what’s going on with their own team.
By this I’m guessing you’re referring to Lou’s tight-lippedness, in which case I’m not exactly sure why you’d be upset about it now. It’s been that way since he took over.
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but the price of pretty much everything has gone up, including the salary cap and player salaries. That money has to come from somewhere.The Devils aren’t in any position to jack prices to the level comparable to the Flyers, Habs, Leafs, Canucks, etc. which leads me to
Don’t tell that to Winnipegians or Torontonians.I knew someone would bring this up. Do NOT compare our situation to hockey-crazed Canada.
Not at the expense of offense in the new NHL. They were last in the league in scoring with Kovy. Coach’s fault or not that’s still pathetic. Kinda agree with “balance”.
Like it or not, a defensive game tends to get the team more wins.
Not recently.
Missing the playoffs once doesn’t undo the past decade plus.
Whom all should be well-marketed. There was a Brook Lopez billboard behind one of the skyscrapers in Downtown Newark. Put one for Kovy. Put Capt. Zach on billboards along the highways. Harp on the fact this could be Marty’s last season. Advertise.
What does that have to do with giving fans a reason to fill the arena? I listed several reasons, and I’m sure others could come up with a few more if required, for fans to go to games. An issue with how the team is marketed is an entirely different can of worms, and one, I might add, that you’re not alone in feeling that way about.
Been a fan since 92 so I am used to it; doesn’t mean i have to like it as well as other fans who deserve to know what’s going on with their own team.
What do you expect, transparency in dealing with free agents and public disclosure of financial records? Lou’s not exactly warm and fuzzy but other than tell the beat reporters that he’s working on a deal with Parise or whatever, what more can you honestly expect?
The Devils aren’t in any position to jack prices to the level comparable to the Flyers, Habs, Leafs, Canucks, etc. which leads me to
Have they?
I knew someone would bring this up. Do NOT compare our situation to hockey-crazed Canada.
You mean where 3 of the 4 teams you just listed to make your last point play?
Fine. How about St Louis, Buffalo, NYR and Minnesota instead?
Point remains: the product on the ice should justify the cost, but in many areas, particularly in one as densely populated as this area is, it doesn’t always have to.
Not at the expense of offense in the new NHL. They were last in the league in scoring with Kovy. Coach’s fault or not that’s still pathetic. Kinda agree with "balance".
Yeah, it was pathetic, but what’s your point? The reasons have been covered pretty extensively and there’s good reason for optimism that this year won’t be as bad as last year.
For the record, the “New NHL” has had a decrease in goals scored every year since the lockout except one, and last year the League was down 935 goals from where it was in 05-06. It’s why teams like the two you listed, Pittsburgh and Washington, made concerted efforts to get away from one-dimensional offensive play and started paying attention to defense.
They actually cut prices for the 2009-2010 season
They slightly raised them in certain areas of the arena for 2010-2011 season.
And they raised and discounted prices in certain areas for this season.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Oct 8, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta blockquote one more
fans who deserve to know what’s going on with their own team.
When you buy some of the 47% that JV just got back from Brick City, THEN you can talk about your own team. No team has to share what goes on behind the scenes with their fans just because they’re fans. I’d rather 13 of 14 winning seasons of not knowing business (or lots of other) details than wide open management. They tell us their secrets, guess what, the competition gets it too.
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