Melted in Sunrise: New Jersey Devils Blow 3 Goal Lead to Florida Panthers in 4-3 Loss
In the course of an 82 game season, a team will encounter all kinds of games. There will be wins: blowout wins, decisive wins, close wins, and wins in games they shouldn't have won. There will also be losses as well: blowout losses, decisive losses, close losses, and losses in games they should have won. Tonight, the New Jersey Devils experienced a loss in that last category. A heartbreaker of a game thanks to the Devils' performance as they blew a three goal lead in a 4-3 loss to the Florida Panthers.
The Panthers play in Sunrise, Florida and as time went on, it was if the sun was shining on them more and more. It almost started immediately, when the Panthers nearly struck early on two opportunities within the game's first minute. Martin Brodeur had to be big early (and often) tonight. Not long after that rush, Anton Volchenkov was knocked out of the game by Shawn Matthias, Ilya Kovalchuk went after a Matthias, and during the penalty kill for Kovalchuk's roughing minor, Bryce Salvador took an interference call. It wasn't even 5 minutes into the game and the Devils were in penalty trouble. The Devils killed it all and then they started to right the ship. Then the Devils really shocked the Panthers. 3 goals in 3:32. Two off rebounds, the third off a lovely one-timer, and the BankAtlantic Center was silent. The Devils rolled on in the first period and all seemed good for the visitors. Surely, Peter DeBoer had to have been pleased that the Devils rose above that rocky start.
Florida head coach Kevin Dineen didn't panic, but whatever he said, got the Panthers back in believing themselves. Down 3-0, you would have expected Florida to turn up the offense. They got rewarded at 5:28 into the second when Kris Versteeg fired a loose puck amid traffic to make it 3-1. No big deal, right? The Devils responded with some offense of their own. Then during a shift, a clearance got blocked, Versteeg was alone behind Mark Fayne and Brodeur. Versteeg's shot was nearly blocked but it bounced in and it's 3-2. The Panthers smelled blood and proceeded to really up the tempo, totaling 15 shots to New Jersey's 9 in the second period. The Devils escaped the second period 3-2. Devils fans were concerned, they didn't want to see Florida complete the comeback. They wanted more control from New Jersey.
Instead, they got more sloppiness and stupidity. The Devils were clearly missing Anton Volchenkov and it really didn't help matters that the forwards' backchecking wasn't very good. The trio of Tomas Fleischmann, Stephen Weiss, and Versteeg gave the Devils fits and ultimately scored the goals to complete the comeback. During a 4-on-3 power play, Patrik Elias got beat at the point and Weiss scored off a rush that we're used to seeing the Devils get on PKs. That tied up the game. The ensuing power plays were garbage so any hope of re-taking the game flickered out. The Devils' offense in the third was so bad, their best chances were Petr Sykora missing the net from the slot multiple times and Adam Henrique hitting a post off a takeaway. Martin Brodeur did his best to single-handedly keep this game tied. Late in the game, a broken stick by Greene led to another breakdown in front, Fleischmann was able to get wide and beat Brodeur. A late 6-on-5 effort yielded nothing and so was the game.
A well-played first period was followed by two periods of dreck. It's one thing to lose a game while getting beaten on like the Boston game last week, it's another to watch what should be a definitive lead slip away. While going 3-2 on 5-game road trip against some tough teams isn't bad at all, tonight's bitter loss stings.
It's understandable to be upset. I'm certainly not happy by it; no Devil fan should be. The sad reality is that it happens in every season, though. If you think it's the worst loss ever or the worst since 2009, then you're not really thinking all that hard. As bad as this one is, I'd argue that it's not even the worst one this season. So be angry, be upset, be unhappy, but let's not lose perspective. Plus, the sun will come up tomorrow. Regardless, I think we can all agree the Devils need to bounce back in the next few game; that they should at least get leads and keep them.
As usual, I have a few more thoughts on tonight's game after the jump. For the opposition's take, please go check out Ryan Meier's recap over at Litter Box Cats.
The Stats: The NHL.com Game Summary | The NHL.com Event Summary | The NHL.com Play by Play Log | The NHL.com Shot Summary | The Time on Ice Shift Charts | The Time on Ice Head to Head Ice Time Charts | The Time on Ice Corsi ChartsThe Highlights: From NHL.com, here are the rebound-filled highlights of this frustrating loss:
3:32 Goal Rush: What got Devils fans so excited in the first period was how the Devils scored three quick goals on Jose Theodore. Ilya Kovalchuk started a rush up-ice, dropped it off for the trailing Henrik Tallinder, who fired it low. Kovalchuk was in the right spot to hammer the rebound in. A little more than a minute later, Petr Sykora would also score on a rebound. The Elias line was set-up in Florida's end and Sykora threw it to the points. Andy Greene makes a simple pass to Adam Larsson who fires a long shot. Theodore stops it but Sykora bats it out of mid-air and into the net to make it 2-0. The Elias line struck again. After stopping Florida at the blueline, Elias rushed up ice and saw Brian Campbell and Keaton Ellerby focusing on him. Dainius Zubrus went to the net and was all alone. Elias slid a perfectly placed pass to Zubrus, and Big Z killed it on the one-timer. The Devils just shocked the Florida defense on those plays; Theodore had no chance on any of those three goals.
It was a great sequence of events and the Devils really rolled on from there. They ended the first period 13-10 in shots, +9 in Corsi, and 3-0 on the scoreboard. Alas, they did not build on it.
I Hate, Hate, Hate the Power Play: The New Jersey Devils power play reverted to "suck" again tonight. The first one wasn't so bad. The skaters realized that Kovalchuk has a good slapshot and so should try and set that up. They weren't easy ones for Theodore to stop, as Kovalchuk connected twice. The latter two were just abysmal. The Panthers were disciplined tonight except for this sequence. During a Florida power play, Fleischmann takes out Greene into the endboards. That made it 4-on-4. 35 seconds later, Jack Skille dragged his leg into Kovalchuk's leg - another minor penalty. Thankfully, both players were OK after being in some pain. So the Devils got a brief 4-on-3 which would be followed by a 5-on-3 for about minute and then a 5-on-4 for about a minute. That's not a bad situation to be in, especially when the game's 3-2 and Florida's been doing what they can to get an equalizer.
Of course, Elias gets a shot blocked at the point which turns into a rush up ice for Florida. Weiss breaks away from Elias and scores on a breakaway to tie up the game. The ensuing 5-on-3 yields 2 shots on net including a sharp angle try by Kovalchuk. Glenn "Chico" Resch was critical of that decision; but I wasn't. It's not like anyone was moving or trying to open up a lane for an opportunity to score. At least Kovalchuk tried to hit the net. Florida killed the 5-on-4 section with ease and what could have been a big opportunity to re-take the game or at least re-establish control went down the toilet. Instead, the Devils gave up the equalizer and gave Florida more confidence to re-take the game in regulation. I hate the power play.
Let Me Emphasize This: Patrik Elias should remain far, far, far away from any point on a power play. I would be more confident with Salvador at the point at this juncture.
Nick Palmieri Could Have Done That: Before I get into other matters, I just want to say that if tonight was an opportunity for Mattias Tedenby to secure a spot on the team, then he wasted it just like the Devils on a power play.
The third line combined for one shot - one by Tedenby, none by Clarkson or Ryan Carter. They were pounded by the Mike Santorelli unit (Marco Sturm, Skille, Santorelli) among other Panthers in possession amid limited ice time. That's not good. Gee, Palmieri could have had one shot on net. I liked Clarkson's work along the boards, which was probably why when the bench was shortened, he kept getting a few shifts late. The same couldn't be said for Carter or Tedenby.
Things That Make You Go "YOU MORON": Picking an attacking player behind the net during a penalty kill, throwing the puck clear over the glass in your own end twice in the third period, and putting your stick up around a guy's chest and hands. Those were the four penalties the Devils took tonight outside of Kovalchuk getting all up in Matthias' business for his hit on Volchenkov. All of them were taken by defensemen in a game where the top penalty killer was out injured early on: Bryce Salvador (interference, the second delay of game), Henrik Tallinder (the first delay of game), and Andy Greene (hooking). Yeah, Adam Larsson got his first real taste of the PK this evening. The Panthers put up 8 shots on net and Martin Brodeur was a key reason why the penalty killers were successful all night long.
Martin Brodeur Deserved Better: In terms of shooting attempts, Florida didn't steamroll the Devils like Boston, Buffalo, or Tampa Bay did. The game ended only -3 for New Jersey. Florida put up 36 shots on net, 10 in the first, 15 in the second, and 11 in the third. The Devils offense responded with 13, 9, and 3 (would have been 6 or 7 is Sykora hit the net) respectively. Yeah, the Devils offense did their defense no favors. Given that Florida had every reason to throw caution to the wind after the first period, the Devils' inability to keep the Panthers honest in their own end, much less get an insurance goal, hurt them.
Down a man and with spotty offensive support, the defense was just all over the place. On some shifts, they were tidy and smart. On others, there would be 1 to 3 Panthers in the slot and Brodeur needing to miracle a stop because he got hung out to dry. The Devils really missed Volchenkov as time went on. I felt Bryce Salvador was worked over in his 20:29 of ice time. Andy Greene may have had two assists, but the fact that he didn't get 20+ mintues on a five-man blueline speaks to his performance this evening.
I can understand Versteeg's first goal, that was just a right-place-right-time shot from him. The second however was miserable. Yes, Jason Garisson blocked the clearing attempt by Tallinder and Kovalchuk missed it along the boards. That's not the problem. I know why Brodeur wasn't looking at Versteeg, he had to deal with Jason Garrison's eventual shot. That's not the problem either. Here's the problem: Mark Fayne is completely unaware that Kris Versteeg is right behind him. Fayne almost gets lucky with a block but the puck rolls in. Horrible.
Equally horrible was the game-winner by Fleischmann. Andy Greene's stick breaks behind the net. Adam Larsson goes after the puck carrier but Weiss finds Fleischmann open in the circle. Zach Parise isn't anywhere near him and Zubrus is just entering the zone. Fleischmann has the space to cut in and curl around to the left side. Brodeur slides but Fleischmann was patient enough to slide it in just before he finished. This was Florida's top line tonight and all season - why aren't these guys being covered more tightly?
Seemingly every line and make-shift pairing had some "oops" moments. The original third line had to be broken up because they were constantly hemmed in their own end as indicated by their -10 Corsi. It got so bad that DeBoer moved David Clarkson with Rod Pelley and Brad Mills (and what's more, it wasn't awful). The Henrique line got matched with the Weiss line and while they didn't get dominated, they were soundly beaten. The Elias line had their scares and they were by far the best in Corsi (Elias and Zubrus: +8; and Sykora: +13). Just sloppy and the Devils ultimately paid the price.
The Versteeg combination scored all four goals and Dineen was right to lean on them for 21+ minutes. Martin Brodeur made a lot of big stops - 32 on 36 shots - and it's all for naught because the Devils played dumb hockey for 40 minutes. Watch as someone uses this as evidence that goaltending is killing this team or that it's a sign that Brodeur's losing it. The Devils' lack of offense in response to Florida and their defensive breakdowns let Brodeur down - simple as.
Please Get Well Soon: Anton Volchenkov left the game with facial lacerations due to Shawn Matthias' shoulder catching him in the face. I hope he is OK because the Devils really could have used his presence this evening.
Other Tidbits: Kovalchuk led the team with shots on net with 7; you can't say he didn't make an effort. Sykora could have easily eclipsed that but he had 4 misses to go with his 5 shots on net. They weren't long shots either, I'm talking about misses while in the slot. Henrique attempted 4 shots (2 SOG, 2 misses), hit the post after intercepting the puck during a forecheck, and went 11-for-18 on the dot, which isn't bad. I liked Zach Parise's work on the forecheck, but that's really it from #9.
End of the Road Trip (Until the Next One Next Week): If you were to tell me the Devils ended their road trip 3-2, then I would have been fine with that. A realistic run of results given the games were in DC, Boston, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, and Florida. Not a weak team in the bunch. Yet, this really should have been a 4-1 trip. Tonight's loss proved that a quick three goals in the first period can't be sustained over 60 minutes without a good effort at both ends in the following two periods. I really hope the Devils can use this constructively going into the Columbus game on Wednesday.
Those are my thoughts on the game. What are yours? What about the Devils' performance really stuck out as being particularly poor? What bothered you the most? Are there any positives to take out of this game? Please leave your answers and other thoughts on tonight's game in the comments. Thanks to everyone who read and commented in the gamethread, thanks to everyone who followed @InLouWeTrust during the game, and thank you for reading.
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Only caught the third
I’m still new to hockey, but the severe lack of puck possession stuck out. Larsson, legit puck mover, needs to make big strides defensively.
by J-Nasty on Nov 21, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The only positive thing I can think of right now is that: as upset as we are about devils not getting 4-1 road trip. We would be very happy with a 3-2 road trip at this time last year.
It literally does not get any easier as the next
opponent gets to be for a rebound game. Devils need to win their next 4 games.
by Devils_from_Seattle on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
DeBoer
We keep comparing this start to last years start, and by that standard there will almost always be something positive to speak about. But at a certain point, the devils need to eclipse that comparison if this is going to be a playoff team. You simply cannot let points get away from you late in games like they have done against San Jose, Boston, and FL to name a few.
For me, the report card on DeBoer is still very much up in the air. A lot is not up to a coach, but one thing you can hold a coach’s feet to the fire on is getting his team to play for him, complete games, night in and night out. We are at Thanksgiving already and really the LA KINGS game is the only one that stands out in my mind as a 60 minute effort by the Devils. That is something I put on the head coach. There are certain coaches demand effort and ellicit constant motivation and willingness to skate hard shift in and shift out from their players, there are others that simply dont command that respect. This is why i thought an older established coach like a HItchcock would have been a good move for the Devils, because espesially with younger players, a figure like that commands respect and gets effort.
DeBoer hasnt won me over in that department, which to my mind is one area a coach must be strong in to stick around in the NHL. Lets also face it: the Devils might not be an elite squad, but they have considerable talent, and to this point in the season neither Parise or Kovalchuk has gotten that on ice presence and groove (much less consistent goals) going yet under DeBoer. I dont see how the Devils are playoff team without 75 combined from those two. So in terms of effort, 60 minute play, and elliciting top performance from your top end talent, things that I we would agree a coach can be held responsible for to at least some degree, DeBoer has a mixed record to say the least thus far.
The Devils aren’t that good right now. To me, DeBoer is getting total efforts every night, at least with the games I see. A ‘total effort’ is not code for ‘winning by a lot’ like you seem to think it is.
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Im afraid you missed the point entirely.The point is a coach can be fairly judged on the basis of whether he gets cosistent 60 minute efforst out of his team. a terrible team with a bad record might be very well coached, because the coach gets the most out of his players and gets high compete level and a 60 minute effort. DeBoer doesnt get that, hardly at all from the Devils
And I disagree entirely, I have missed a few games but I have not seen any where ‘consistent effort’ wasn’t a part of the game. DeBoer is getting a high ‘compete level’ from a team that right now is not very good down the middle, and has one line it can rely on in the defensive zone.
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DeBoer doesn’t get that? Did we forget the Tampa Bay game that happened on Saturday that quickly? How he called a timeout and the players immediately responded? How he matches lines appropriately at home? Really?
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by John Fischer on Nov 22, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Florida’s strategy was to come at the Devls and get the advantage. But, Marty stymied them, and once the Devils survived the onslaught, they turned the tables and scored the three goals. New Jersey was skating, hitting and shooting putting Florida back on it’s heels. When the second period started it all changed. I looked at the way they were playing, and said to my wife they’re sitting on the lead, and if it continued, they would lose the game. It did, and they did.
While the loss of Volchenkov hurt, the rest of the team should have picked up their game to make up for it. Instead, they played as if the road trip was over, and with a 3 goal lead the contest was in the bag. I agree with coach DeBoer, that they stopped playing after 20 minutes. It’s obvious that the team has the talent to win games against top opponents. Going up 3-0 in two successive contests shows that they can score, and score often enough. Watching them not compete was a reminder of how they played too many games in the first half of last season.
They are coming home to face two struggling clubs, Columbus and back-to-back games against the Isles. If the players decide to compete in these games it could be 6 points in the standings, points they will need to get back into the playoffs.
The Devils laid an egg.
Simple as.
They went up early, got energized, but then relaxed, sat back, took stupid penalties, and let it slip away.
These guys are adults and professionals with a great deal of pride and focus. But, they’re imperfect and last night they showed hockey weakness, team weakness, defensive weakness, etc.
They let the Panthers chip away with (some) preventable goals and possession domination. And with stupid, momentum-killing penalties and hapless work to kill their own power plays.
Now, they just need to bounce back against Columbus and the Islanders to not show any weakness or post-panther depression.
by Alan Wright on Nov 22, 2011 6:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well, post-panther passion anyway. I doubt rage does much to inspire or channel their energy as a team. I think I understand what you mean, though. The need to hunker down and show more discipline, integrity, and mental toughness.
If they want to be hard on themselves until they beat a few elite teams, then that’s OK. I hope this loss burns for a little while.
by Alan Wright on Nov 22, 2011 7:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
December 13
It wasn’t to be for Pete, and his desire to avenge himself on his return was cruelly rejected by the Hockey Gods. Lesson learned: if you claim it’s an important game, then you have to back it with motivation to get it done, or you look stupid. (Or just say publicly it’s no big deal up front, and keep your message in the locker room.)
Claude Julien’s criticism is ringing in my ears. Playing out for a 1 goal win, or playing to get to overtime is totally the wrong attitude to go into the last 10 minutes. Please address, Pete.
I also went back to look for Jacques’ comments on our team being out of shape. Please read this report carefully:
http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/12/jacques_lemaire_stresses_again.html
11 months have passed, but we have the exact same problem. What is going on with their conditioning?
December 13th … we are back at that same rink, and hopefully this time we are out for absolute revenge. Nothing less is acceptable. Last time is was about PDB. This time it’s about every Devil and every Devil fan. It’s personal.
Can’t win a game by playing for 10 minutes. The whole thing made me sick, and I was stewing about it all night.
A couple of things I learned from the NFL and the New England Patriots (/spit):
1. Leading a game by 3 scores is good. Leading by 4 scores is better. Leading by 5 scores is better still.
2. Getting a lead and playing prevent defense is a great way to prevent yourself from winning the game. It’s an invitation for the opposing talent to take what you give them, make you look stupid, and all it takes is one mistake to burn you.
If I’m coaching this team, I bust their asses for an hour in practice and abruptly tell them they are done for the day. Only to send them back out onto the ice from the locker room and make them do it two more times to remind them that games are three periods long.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
Good point. I was thinking of that prevent defense analogy during the TB comeback.
But, it’s not just a good point because I agree and have thought about it before. It’s a good principle: don’t take your foot off the gas.
by Alan Wright on Nov 22, 2011 7:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Devils are playing the opposite of prevent defense.
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How’s that? They’ve gotten a lead and sat on it while giving up the neutral zone, hoping to make it to the end not losing, in what…4 games in a row now? Maybe 4 out of 5.
That’s pretty much exaclty what the Prevent is…
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
They’re not doing that. Watch the games, they are sending two guys to pressure the man with the puck. The problem is, they’re not managing to do that very well and opposing teams are getting scoring chances as a result.
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There will also be losses as well: blowout losses, decisive losses, close losses, and losses in games they should have won. Tonight, the New Jersey Devils experienced a loss in that last category
I disagree. The Devils only outplayed the Panthers for only 15 minutes this entire game.
Florida took it to the Devils in the first 5 minutes and had the play in their favor in the 2nd and overwhelming in the 3rd.
What was unbelivable was Florida’s hitting. I would like to see stats, the Panthers seemed to have a lot of fun just skating hard and running into Devils. The Devils seemed to be bracing for them all game.
As the 3rd period went on, Florida’s skating and hustle became even more apparent.
It’s enough for me to ask if the Devils are running out of gas in 3rd periods because they’re out of shape. The 2nd used to be the Achilles’ Heel, now it’s the 3rd.
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.
It’s still a game they should have won. Any time you go up 3-0 and still lead after 2 periods (they were 4-0 when leading after two going into the game), it’s a game you should win.
Their play, or lack of consistency, or defensive meltdown or however one wishes to categorize it doesn’t change that it’s a game they should have won.
2 Things Frustrate Me Most in This Game
1. Sykora shooting the puck 5 feet over the net every time he had open looks in the slot.
2. Our point man on the PP shooting directly into the defense to have it blocked and rushed up the ice for yet another shorthanded goal against. I’M SICK OF THIS HAPPENING!!! Especially during a 4 on 3. With only 3 defenders you’d think you’d be able to miss one of them! I feel like these shorthanded goals are a video stuck on loop. UGH!
"Everyone loves a comeback."
You wanna stop blowing leads in the 3rd period Pete ? Call-up Zharkov, send Janssen down and give the 4 th line more than 3 minutes of ice time per game since opening night ! Half of the team looked gassed, for the defensemen at least, that’s quite understandable.
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Nov 22, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions
Frustrating loss, but not undeserved. This team’s inability to hold onto leads is disturbing. They lost one against Boston, got away with it in Buffalo and Tampa, but it came back to bite them again last night.
Losing Volchenkov certainly didn’t help, but that was only a part of it. He played in the other games to similar results.
At this point one has to believe it’s systemic. They seem to play better from behind or when the score is tied. It’s hard to tell if they sit back with a lead or just wilt under additional pressure when the other teams press, but if they don’t figure it out soon they’re going to be in trouble.
The problem is that they are not sitting back in the third period. DeBoer is still sending two guys deep, and it’s not working.
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The problem is that while the other team makes adjustments at a minimum between periods, PDB is not reacting to them until the next game, and that’s a little too late.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
Since the Boston game when I noticed them not forecheck at about the 5 minute mark and Julien may or may not have made a backhanded comment about the Devils playing for the tie I’ve been watching how they play in those situations and while I’ll agree they haven’t been sitting back in the traditional sense, they’re definitely not nearly as aggressive and I typically only count 1 forechecker.
Conditioning?
In the last four games (including Buffalo where we made it very interesting) and five of the last six, we’ve been severely outplayed in the third period. I get that we lost A Train last night, but it just seems like we’re running out of gas late and holding on for dear life. We weren’t having this issue early in the season. I wonder if we’re in good enough condition as a team to play a full 60.
I’m also worried about Kovy. He’s scoring again, but the bursts of speed don’t seem to be there. I hope he’s not trying to play through his injury.
You might be onto something here, at least as far as team conditioning is concerned: the Devils have given you four consecutive subpar third periods.
I’ll give Kovalchuk a little bit of a pass. Not just because of the injury (which I am not fully convinced is 100% healed), but because he’s still contributing more than a number of other players. These underwhelming efforts aren’t his fault.
….
If I were the head coach of the Devils, I’d be this close to the dreaded bag skate this morning. Only two reasons I’d hold off, too: the lengthy road trip just concluded, and three games in three and a half days starting tomorrow night. But if the third period issues don’t get solved in a hurry, there’s a three-day break after the home-and-home with the Islanders….
The bag skate? What kind of sense does this make? The team isn’t out of shape, it’s just not all that good right now. DeBoer has to fix the neutral zone problems, because right now they are getting killed there.
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A bag skate now would serve to remind the boys that the game is three periods long.
The neutral zone problems could be addressed by being as physical there as they are on the forecheck (when they are “trying”). For 50 minutes last night, it was far too much “Ole!” bullsh&% in the Neutral Zone as they just kinda watched the pucks go by them, soon to be followed by a Panther.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
Yeah well the whole defense played at least 20 minutes last night and Parise and Elias are getting way more ice time than they have in their careers – let’s bag skate the players, that must be the problem.
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Then perhaps it’s time to put together a 4th line that can do something other than “provide some energy,” maybe one that could eat 9-10 minutes each without losing the game.
I’m not going to lie to you. It felt good and I’m going to do whatever is in my power possible to stay there as long as I can. - Petr Sykora on playing on a line with Elias and Parise.
Yeah it’s not only giving the 4th line a more respectable ice-time but to put together some guys able to spend some time in the offensive zone.
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
right now the devils barely have a third line capable of doing that.
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This club has allowed multiple third-period goals in four consecutive games (and five of the last seven). Some of it certainly is desperation on behalf of the opposite team trying to rally from substantial deficits, but it is a very worrisome trend in my eyes.
To me, there are only two conceivable explanations:
- The first is that this team is tired and perhaps out-of-shape. It isn’t as if the Devils’ schedule has been particularly onerous — there have been relatively few back-to-back situations, and while the Devils’ have already had two “extended” roadtrips, this last one wasn’t grueling from a travel perspective.
- The second is that the issue lies with the coach. He’s too quick to lean on a small core of players for minutes beyond what they can provide on a regular basis. He’s too quick to shorten his bench to three or even two lines. While I recognize that the fourth line isn’t very good, giving them (and the third line) a little extra ice time at the expense of the stars can very well be better for the long run.
One way or another, this situation cannot be allowed to remain. Something has to give…. and I don’t really care how the team gets through this issue, so long as they do.
So which is it?
The third, which you don’t mention, is that while the Devils are giving up third-period goals, things like this don’t last forever and there’s a few minor changes that need to be made. Travis Zajac returning would be enormous, for instance.
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Here’s a fourth point: the Devils are finally getting some leads going into the third period. Before this road trip, they’ve had exactly 2 games where they were winning as they’re entering the third period. Because of the score, the opposition – which has been at home in recent games, not coincidentally – has reason to up their intensity and attack. As such, the Devils get pinned back and when the neutral zone play suffers and they’re constantly in their own end, then they just get into a cycle that benefits the opposing offense further and further. Short of the Devils playing very well in their own end, they get broken down (notice that plenty of them come off missed coverages) and the opposition scores. A bag skate will do nothing to fix this unless they magically improve awareness and focus in their own end.
With respect to the notion of the team being out of shape, this team was skating Buffalo out of their building until they were up 4-1 right after their most grueling game of the season in Boston the night before. That happened last week. I don’t think they got out of shape in less than a week.
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by John Fischer on Nov 22, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
To my eye, they clearly looked gassed in the 3rd period, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s coming from their conditioning. It looks like they stopped playing hockey after the 3-0 lead, they threw themselves off their game. On the other hand, things could’ve ended better if we weren’t missing our best shut-down player.
This loss is not a big deal, but they must learn from their mistakes.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Nov 23, 2011 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
Disturbing Statistics
- 25 goals allowed in third periods this season, roughly 47.2% of the total goals allowed by this team. (53 goals, plus 1 “shootout” goal reaches the total of 54 GA listed in the standings)
- Multiple third-period goals allowed 10 times in 19 games.
- In only four of those ten games did the Devils carry a lead into the third period. Admittedly, three of those four occasions have come in the Devils’ last three contests.
- To be fair, seven of these ten occasions have taken place on the road.
Conclusions:
This isn’t a recent problem, this is an ongoing concern and has been happening since the start of the season. The distribution of these contests being more heavily concentrated on the road suggests it might be a matchup issue.
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The past two seasons, this club’s particular stumbling block has been the second period, partially documented by these three articles. This year, it’s the third period.
The team still isn’t playing a full 60 minutes on a consistent basis. If the problem is the third period, however, where does the blame lie? The long change can no longer be used as a crutch…. so is it a lack of effort, a lack of conditioning, poor coaching, or something else?
What’s most frustrating is that these are games we should be winning. We we’re outplaying the Caps at the Rock until the third. We were holding our own against Boston and almost pulled out at least one point. We should have coasted to a win last night. That’s five points we could have had against really good teams. As inconsistently as we’ve played, these points would have us as the top of the standings against a very tough early schedule and a lot of injuries.
I hope these don’t come back to bite us, but I think they’re going to.
Defensive Turnovers!
Everyone seems to be pointing at all kinds of different things. None of which I think have any relevance.
No body is pointing to the fact that they still HAVE TO MANY TURNOVERS IN THEIR OWN ZONE. Its mostly the defenseman.
I’m not going to discredit everything Florida or some of these other teams are doing. They are making nice plays to. But time and time again it is much worse because the Devils keep coughing the puck up.
Not getting the puck out of their end is what is killing them. They either pass it to nobody, pass/chip it to the other team. Particularly last night chip it out of the rink. The D has been awful.
Offensively last night in the 2nd and 3rd when they had chances. I don’t feel they played that bad. But when you spend the majority of the time in your own end. Yeah the stats for shots and other things are going to be horrid.
I’ve watched them all do it. But to me over all Green, Fayne and A-train have been playing well. Larsson has just been ok. But gets a pass.(Don’t think I need to explain) Tallinder and Salvador have been horrible.
It’s not quite so simple as to say it’s this or that. That’s definitely part of it, but their struggles in their own zone are symptoms of larger problems that are not so easily fixed.
I wasn’t trying to blame one specific thing. But more of a generalized poor effort breaking out of their own end.
and no I think that the turnovers are the larger problem causing other symptoms. I’m not even saying they always lead to goals. Wasn’t expecting to shut out Florida last night. Only one of their goals was the direct result of a turnover. One could say they lost the game because they failed to score one or two goals of their own in the last two periods. Rather then blame the goals they gave up.
You can’t spend the majority of the time in your own end of the rink and expect to be successful. It happened last night. It happened in Boston and at least one other time earlier in the year I remember. The other team came back to tie us in regulation.
They aren’t getting beat along the boards or even that often out of position. Its poor pass decisions/execution breaking out. Which is leading to more time in your own end and less time attacking. Which is leading to opposing coaches saying your playing for the tie. etc
On any given night something different could be a bigger problem. I just feel this has been a glaring fault and not that they are tired or haven’t been giving it 100%
Right, but why are they making the turnovers?
Is it a personnel issue where A) the wrong people are on the ice at the wrong time or B) the team as a whole struggles with knowing to whom and/or when and/or how to pass properly C) the players lack focus and get lazy? Is it a system issue where they’re too predictable and other teams know what to expect or the team becomes too passive at certain points? Is it a fatigue issue where the team loses steam as the game wears on?
It could be one, none, all or some of the above but consistent turnovers in the defensive end is, I believe, symptomatic of the problem, not the root cause.
This is a difficult loss to swallow. The forwards were able to pull the team ahead early on in, but defensive lapses and questionable goaltending was what ultimately did them in. Unlike in past years, the Devils simply cannot afford to go up by a significant lead and let Marty sit on it. back checking in their own zone and being more clutch in pressure situations is crucial, and the past several game’s 3rd periods are proof that the Devils still need to work on protecting the puck in their own zone.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle
How often does Salvador toss it out?
It seems like every time I see someone throw it over the boards, it’s Bryce Salvador. Don’t suppose anyone has stats on how many times he’s done this over the past couple years?
veterans
Im suspect of DeBoer not getting a high compete level from his team game in and game out. But the veterans, espesially elias, and the captain, who hasnt exactly played well, need to take some blame for not instilling and demanding a more consistent 60 minute performance from their teammates, espesially the younger players. They played for about 10 minutes last night, and skated the rest of the game away.
Overlooked in all the (deserved) negative criticism and concern for blowing leads is the fact that the Devils have been scoring more goals recently than they were at the start of the season.
With some tightening up defensively, the 3+ goals they’ve been scoring per game of late should typically be enough to win games.

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