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No Comeback Today: New Jersey Devils Fall to Montreal Canadiens 2-1

There would be no third period meltdowns for Montreal today; as they put up 2-0 lead in the third period and only allowed one to the New Jersey Devils. Oh, the Devils certainly made it interesting. Nick Palmieri got on the board off a loose puck in the slot with 6:26 left to play. New Jersey tried to drive forward, earned a power play to end the game, and proceeded to generate a goal-mouth scrambled that resulted in Josh Gorges covering up the puck. That means a penalty shot and the Habs faithful at the Rock were terrified. Stricken with horror that the Devils could tie this game up, in a situation not unlike a shootout - something the Candiens and Price has struggled at this season. Zach Parise, a near-perfect 6-for-7 in shootuts this season, stepped up. He made his move to his right, he got Price stretched out, and it was denied.

The Canadiens PK wisened up after the missed penalty shot attempt, they got clearances in a 6-on-4 situation and so held on. The Devils couldn't steal the point and Parise, among others, was notably frustrated.

To be fair, I'm not pinning the loss on Parise not scoring on a penalty shot. This wasn't a game where you can easily pin the loss on a player or a particular aspect of the game. The Devils came out strong in the first period and out-shot the Canadiens 13-7. Even in the second period The Devils out-shot the Canadiens at even strength in the first two periods and overall 23-15. The Devils were superior in possession, as indicated by the team's +11 in Corsi. Martin Brodeur played well in net, just as he did on Tuesday and as he normally does against Montreal.

One could point to penalties, as Montreal had 5 power plays. As they have been all season, Montreal was successful in generating shots on net as they got 9 across all five of them. They even scored on one of them, when an uncovered Max Pacioretty fired a rocket to the top corner from the slot. I will agree the first three calls were ones the Devils should have avoided; particularly the third one where Adam Henrique knocked a puck over the glass near the end of a minor penalty to Dainius Zubrus. That one turned out to be costly. I felt the boarding call on Ilya Kovalchuk was a weak one from the refs; and I didn't mind Mattias Tedenby's second penalty as it may have prevented a scoring chance. Even so, the Devils didn't lose the game from being on the PK so much. They only allowed the one goal and even with the penalties, the Devils managed to out-shoot their opposition in the first two periods, where they took four of the five calls.

One could also point out to the third period performance. The Devils struggled against Montreal's trap and so only got 4 shots on net at even strength compared to Montreal's 8. They also allowed a goal. Mark Fayne made a soft clearance to the point that Tomas Kaberle picked off. He goes in, fires it to Mathieu Darche, Darche gets the rebound and fires it to Erik Cole, who was behind Fayne. I'm not sure if Cole actually got it or if it re-directed off Fayne's skate; but the point's all the same. Another open man, another loose puck in front of the net, and it ends up in the back of the net. Even if Brodeur didn't dive out for the puck, I doubt he would have stopped Cole at the post. So the Devils are down 2-0 and not really getting much in attack. Yet, Palmieri did score a goal to make the game possible, the Devils' attack didn't disappear, they drew a call and even a chance to tie it up. So it may have hurt, but it didn't destroy their chances.

Ultimately, I'm not too upset with the loss. Sure, I'm not happy; but it's not like the Devils were so abjectly bad that they deserved to lose. They did quite a bit right and that shouldn't be forgotten just because the team adds one to the "L" column. A little bit of a luck, some fewer errors on defense, and some more SOGs by the Devils in the third, and they could have won this one handedly. Just like Parise's penalty shot, it just didn't happen. And that happens over a season.

I have a few more thoughts on today's game after the jump. For the opposition's point of view, please check out Habs Eyes on the Prize and Hockey Inside/Out later on.

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The Stats: The NHL.com Game Summary | The NHL.com Event Summary | The NHL.com Play by Play Log | The NHL.com Shot Summary | The Time on Ice Shift Charts | The Time on Ice Head to Head Ice Time Charts | The Time on Ice Corsi Charts

The Highlights: There were highlights of this game. Here they are from NHL.com:

The Devils Out-Shot and Out-Attempted The Canadiens Consistently: Yet, they didn't play 60 minutes.

Call me stupid, but what does that even mean to play 60 minutes? To straight up dominate the opposition? That can't be it, since very few teams get to do that a few times within a season - much less consistently. Opposing teams rarely lay down when they're losing by a score or two. Is it to out-possess the other team? The Devils did that today, even the third period didn't bring them down anywhere near zero. Plus, score effects usually reign in that regard. Is it to never make a mistake or have a bad shift? Please, that's impossible even when during a blowout. Nobody's perfect. Is it when a team wins a game? Well, that can't be it because Montreal played nowhere near 60 minutes and they won today.

The reality is that teams make adjustments from period to period and not every adjustment can be properly responded to in time. Even if the coach figures it out, the guy on the ice skating may not. The Canadiens sat in a trap for most of the third period. If anyone should know how difficult that is to play against, it should be New Jersey. Even so, the Devils still pulled a goal back and put Montreal on their heels for most of the last five minutes of the game. Is constantly pinning a team back meaning you're playing 60 minutes? I guess so; but how often does the other team get blanketed without some fight back? Very rarely.

Basically, it's a topic worthy of more discussion for another day. All the same, I don't think it's the particular reason why the Devils lost today - but that's just my opinion.

Something About a Goaltender: Martin Brodeur played well. He made several important stops; not the least of whic was that he bailed out an Adam Larsson turnover in the second period. As usual, he was excellent on the PK and he (or any other goaltender) had no real chance on Pacioretty's shot.

Of course, since the Devils lost, people are going to spit fire about the second goal against and claim that Brodeur's done and/or that Hedberg should play. The latter point is arguable; but today's game really didn't present any evidence for it. Since I'm expecting heat from the second goal against, let me devote some details to it. I don't believe he had a chance on the rebound be it from Darche or Cole. No, he did not have bad rebound control on Darche's shot. Darche fired a one-timer in the slot. Since it hit Brodeur in the pad, he's not really in a position to control where the puck goes. It was a hard shot, it was a point-blank save, and so the puck is going to go wherever it does. It doesn't matter if it's Brodeur, Moose, or Tim Thomas; goaltenders aren't going to be in control of those situations. It's why their main job is to stop the shot and it's why the defense's job is to clean up any loose pucks afterward. If you want to point a finger at someone, point it at Fayne. His "clearance" went right to Kaberle and you can even hear Chico groan as it happens in the highlight video. Moreover, he didn't have his stick on the ice nor make an attempt at the puck after the save despite being in the area. That allowed Darche/Cole to do what they did. While Fayne had a bad shift then, he wasn't like that all game long. But since he's not a goaltender or old or Kovalchuk, he's probably not going to get the blame for the GA.

Power? Play?: I didn't think the Devils power play units had such a bad afternoon. On the one hand, they only got four shots on net across three opportunities. Given that the Devils were losing during each of them, that's not good. On the other hand, the Devils did a good job keeping the puck in and trying to set up shots. Since the Devils have had problems in allowing shots and goals against during a man advantage, that's good. We can say they drew a penalty shot, so they weren't useless. Plus, Montreal has been great at killing penalties. Yet, the Devils' power play had chances to get something going and ultimately didn't. That's a bit of a disappointment.

Rookies on the Blueline: Adam Larsson had his regular Horrible Giveaway in the second period and from then on was mostly OK. He finished positive in Corsi with a +4, which is rather impressive given his most common opponents included Pacioretty (6 SOG, +5 in Corsi) and P.K. Subban (4 SOG, -2 in Corsi), who both combined for 10 of Montreal's 24 shots on net today. Yet, the pairing of Larsson and Bryce Salvador didn't make very confident in them at times. Salvador is just slow in general, much less to respond to Larsson needing help; and Larsson nearly made some poor decisions with the puck. Since they were a net positive, my complaints may not as valid as I originally thought them to be.

There were two other rookies on the blueline: Alexander Urbom and Matt Taormina. They were as expected, for lack of a better term. There were a few shifts where they looked comfortable and joined up on the attack at times. There were a few shifts where each looked out of pace, like they just got called up from the AHL to play in a NHL game. I'm not surprised because, well, they were just called up from the AHL. Overall, they were fine. Peter DeBoer limited them to about 14 minutes at even strength, gave each a little time on special teams, and kept them away from being matched-up against a Montreal line for too long. I wonder if DeBoer will keep them together in future games, but that's contingent on the status of Anton Volchenkov's hand.

The Power Line: DeBoer re-untied Zubrus with Patrik Elias and Petr Sykora. While they didn't score any points, they did the most damage in terms of possession. They creamed the unit of Tomas Plekanec, Michael Cammalleri, and Andrei Kostitsyn at even strength; as Sykora and Elias had several attempts on net. They were more consistent than the Adam Henrique line today. Parise and Kovalchuk were up and down and Henrique really didn't get much going. It was noticed by DeBoer as he replaced Henrique with Elias for a few shifts in the third period. Given that the Elias line did so well at evens, I wonder whether they should be kept together. Eventually, all of that possession should turn into points.

Faced Off and Broken: The Devils definitely got rocked at draws at the dot today. The team went 23-for-56 and only Zubrus finished above 50% in faceoff percentage. I doubt it really affected the turnout of this game, as the Devils did so well in terms of possession. It would have been nice if they did better, I guess.

Before You Get A Statue: Montreal fans were livid when their team acquired Tomas Kaberle and his awful contract. I'm sure some Habs fans are eating some humble pie since Kaberle picked up two assists today. Kaberle wasn't bad per se, and the production is a nice early return. Yet, he was a -1 in Corsi going against the Elias line (expected) and the Ryan Carter line (not so expected). He only played 11:10 at even strength, he only got one weak shot on net in the first period, and got blocked twice. Again, Kaberle was OK, but I wouldn't start anointing him as the Guy Who Saved the Montreal Power Play or anything else just yet. Of course, Montreal being Montreal, this may fall on a few deaf ears.

Noise: There was a considerably large contingent of Montreal fans here. And why not, what with a chance to visit NYC on the weekend, check out a game, and get back by Monday. They were present and loud. That shouldn't surprise anyone. You'd be pretty raucous too if you were on a bus for however many hours with likeminded fans who support the team. Casuals usually don't travel like that; the hardcore fanatics do - and they're not going to just sit on their hands when they get there. Did it have an effect on the game? Not really, since Montreal came quite close to blowing their two goal lead late in the game. Not to mention their bad home record. Still, they had reason to cheer and so they did. Like it or lump it, because it's only going to happen once next season.

Poor Clarkson: Parise battled through defenders and set him up for what could have been an easy goal early on. He either whiffed on it or got robbed by Carey Price. Clarkson wasn't an anchor today, but he only had the two shots on net and just finished above zero in possession. If there was ever a "what could have been" moment outside of Parise's penalty shot, that early chance was it.

Hey, What About #9 and #17?: Both Parise and Kovalchuk had four shots on net apiece. Both saw a lot of Gorges and Subban at even strength and so they didn't generate too much in terms of shooting attempts against Price today. I don't think Parise made a bad move on Price on the penalty shot; and I felt Kovalchuk was fine for the most part today. The only major fault between the two was Parise going too aggressive and missing coverage in the neutral zone on a penalty kill, which opened up the space for Pacioretty to get in the high slot and score. Yet, I don't think it's fair to define his day by that, the penalty shot, Clarkson whiffing on his pass, or any other single event. Given that both players just had six-game point streaks snapped today, I'm not terribly concerned about either.

Those conclude my thoughts on today's game. What are yours? What did you like from the Devils performance? What would you like to see more of in their upcoming game on Monday? Please leave your answers and other thoughts on today's game in the comments. Thanks for everyone who followed along and read in the gamethread; everyone who followed @InLouWeTrust during the game; and thank you for reading.

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It’s still hard to swallow that this is a mediocre Devils team. Call me spoiled on the Cup era, but I can’t get the thought out of my head that this team should be better than they are.

by njdss4 on Dec 10, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

They should be better

Too much top end talent to be so punchless on offense.
If Hitchcock or JL were coaching this team we would have about 4 to 5 more wins at this point.

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by Real Big Devils Fan on Dec 10, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Punchless on offense is what has got me so confused. I fully understand that there are no defensemen on the team that come near the caliber of Stevens, Nieds, Rafalski, Dano, etc., so more defensive mistakes aren’t a shock. However, when the Devils have Parise, Kovalchuk, Elias, etc. up front, they should be able to average more than bottom 5 offense in the league.

by njdss4 on Dec 10, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not having a real mobile defense who can drive the play from their own zone is the problem. Niedermayer and Rafalski did that for years. Larsson shows flashes of it, and I can see him developing into that eventually. Hopefully Merrill will pan out as well.

This is just a bubble .500 team, with a little bit more potential if healthy. It’s hard for me to come to terms with this as well, but it’s easier to deal with these losses if I do. Maybe I’m just settling, but I’ll be happy if this team is playing meaningful hockey in February/March (ie, not 20+ points out of a playoff spot like last year).

I agree with John here. I’m not terribly upset over this loss. People will make the argument that the Habs are a bad team, but the league is just so competitive that anyone can beat anyone else on any given night. They played a good game, and just didn’t bury their chances when they needed to.

by dasru on Dec 10, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think you summed up the problems perfectly. Our defense is young. We have trouble generating offense because we have problems breaking out of our own zone. I know Kovalchuk gets a bad rap for the turnovers (from me included) but there are so many times where I see him looking at the defense struggling to get the puck out of the zone and you can see him take a “fudge this, I’ll do it myself” attitude and he starts dangling in his own end just to get the puck moved up.

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by DrWho720 on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

the Devils have Parise, Kovalchuk, Elias, etc.

Most of the problem is that there really is no “etc.” there.

by elesias on Dec 11, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t think it’s that – Zubrus and Clarkson also have a fair number of goals. It’s the Ryan Carters, Mattias Tedenbys, the entire 4th line, and the entire defense. Carter, Tedenby, the 4th liners, and the defense have combined for 9 goals.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Largely agree, however in a conversation about expectations as far as goal scoring for the Devils, there are Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias… and then there is the rest of the team.

Obviously no team succeeds without scoring depth and everyone chipping in, and both Zubrus and Clarkson have so far outperformed expectations, but this isn’t a team swamped with scoring talent outside of those three guys so it really shouldn’t come as a big surprise to anyone that they struggle offensively.

by elesias on Dec 11, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Largely agree, however in a conversation about expectations as far as goal scoring for the Devils, there are Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias… and then there is the rest of the team.

Obviously no team succeeds without scoring depth and everyone chipping in, and both Zubrus and Clarkson have so far outperformed expectations, but this isn’t a team swamped with scoring talent outside of those three guys so it really shouldn’t come as a big surprise to anyone that they struggle offensively.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Goals isn’t the problem, points in general is, if tedenby had 15 assists, no one should be ripping on him, but since no one is getting all those points, or overly great at creating chances, that’s where we are screwed.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What? You don’t have points without goals. No one’s ever gotten a point without a goal. Goals are the problem. How could points be the problem? Tedenby doesn’t have 15 assists – he has 4. He hasn’t been very good this year and it has hurt the team.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Teddy has been more of a disappointment than anything – but he does show flashes of great play and just has trouble finishing at times. His size is a big factor in that. All a defender has to do is just check him against the boards and stall him there for a few seconds. Play’s over.

Is the problem the top 2 lines aren’t generating goals at the same time? Are the role players not doing what they should be doing? I feel it’s a little bit of everything (including the PP, the defense, the goaltending) which makes me worrisome.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Dec 11, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying, people setting others up is the problem, that the problem isn’t necessarily finishing, but making those chances happen. If Tedenby was a complete play maker and no one finished his chances, whose fault is that?

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not talking about setting up or finishing, I’m talking about goals, period. That line isn’t generating enough shots on goal either, but I think that’s a general problem with New Jersey right now. We’ll see what happens when Zajac comes back and Carter is put on the 4th line where he belongs.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If Hitchcock or JL were coaching this team we would have about 4 to 5 more wins at this point.

Maybe. So they have had some really bad points. But I feel over all the team has played well enough to win more then they have.

Everyone is always pointing to the Defensive lapses. I think its been the failure of the PP and overall lack of goal scoring that is keeping this team from being 3-4 games above .500.

by NJDOhio on Dec 10, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone is always pointing to the Defensive lapses. I think its been the failure of the PP and overall lack of goal scoring that is keeping this team from being 3-4 games above .500.

I think both sides are right, but you raise an excellent point. A more fruitful PP alone would be massive for this team. I don’t know by how much, necessarily, but even a 17-18% success rate would have at least helped the Devils secure wins instead of being on the edge so much. If the lapses are what they are, then it falls on the offense to provide the goals in the event of said lapses until they end.

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by John Fischer on Dec 11, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

parise penalty shot

What was Parise trying to do there, go 5-hole, lift it over Price’s pad?

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by andy6637 on Dec 10, 2011 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Per TG:
"I was just trying to go five hole and I missed the shot," Parise said. "That’s the gist of it. There’s not really much else."

by dasru on Dec 10, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, another bad break in the books I suppose….

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by andy6637 on Dec 10, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know. Parise cut to his right and Price followed him. If Parise really was thinking five-hole, he would have had to pull that shot really in. Ah, well.

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by John Fischer on Dec 11, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Zajac's Return

I said it once before…. It seems like the Devils are waiting for Zajac’s return to get them out of their collective funk.

by Jose_A_Alvarez on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

If only….

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Dec 11, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

They shouldn’t depend on him TOO MUCH because he’s not the kind of player who’s going to step into the lineup and make a huge “team saving” impact per say.

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by andy6637 on Dec 11, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. If they’re counting on his return having an immediate and major impact, they’re sorely mistaken.

He’ll take some time to get back into the swing of things, but even when he’s back, really the only two impacts I see him having are an improvement in face offs and some versatility in line creation.

by elesias on Dec 11, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they just slide him in on the 3rd line, that’s an enormous upgrade.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is probably what they’ll do to start while he gets into game shape. He’s not a tremendous scoring threat, his passing abilities probably won’t help Tedenby and Clarkson (or whomever his line mates will be) score at a much higher rate than they currently are, and his puck possession is an upgrade over Carter but that line tends to do pretty well already in that area so I don’t see it as a significant impact.

I don’t doubt his return will have an impact, especially long-term, and I anxiously await it, but I don’t see it as any kind of panacea.

by elesias on Dec 11, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be a clear uprgade over Carter but a major improvement for the team could happen when Josefson comes back to center and, hopefully Henrique moved to the right a wing.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Dec 11, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of me does not disagree with you. Zajac’s not the kind of player who’s going to step into the lineup and make a huge "team saving" impact per say. However, The Devils have been involved in a lot of one goal games that take a toll on the team. Having a fourth line that plays only a few minutes per game also takes a toll on a team. That’s my other theory of why the Devils have been on a collective funk for the last couple of weeks.

The thing with Zajac is that he is a skilled player that does a lot of the little things right that help a team win games. The players in this team know that. Zajac is very good defensively. His return will make the team better 5 on 5 as well as improve on their already impressive PK. Zajac is a good passer and a good “assists man”. Both Parise and Kovalchuk have had success with Zajac as their centerman. The Devils should improve their shots-on-goal average with Zajac’s return. Barring a setback in his return, other injuries, or trades, Zajac’s return will make the Devils deeper and better, and his teammates know that.

by Jose_A_Alvarez on Dec 11, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He will clearly help this team in some manner in his return, I just don’t want people to expect the team to immediately get better. MAYBE it’ll happen with time, but we’ll see in a few weeks when he’s back.

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by andy6637 on Dec 11, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Changes...

First : The Devils should of try to traded Salvador for Kaberle.
Or let’s trade Salvador and a forward for a top 2 NATURAL center or right wing!

Second: We need to put back Kovy on the left side.The joke as last long enough!!
We really need Zajac back ASAP!!
Next game lines should be:
Parise-Elias-Henrique
Kovalchuk-Zubrus-Tentenby
Sykora-Clarkson-Palmieri
Carter at center and whatever

by kovalchuk007 on Dec 11, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

You say put Clarkson as third line center and expect to be taken seriously?

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You know Clarkson takes faceoffs on the PP, right? It’s not a far stretch, though I would prefer Sykora playing the dot if he’s on that line.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Dec 11, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Only on the right side because that’s his strong side, I’m not sure he’s done well in it, either. And faceoffs aren’t what I’m worrying about, it’s the part where he’s the one who carries the puck in neutral ice.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s 50% on the PP. He’s not so good at evens (11 for 35 – 31%).

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by Matthew Ventolo on Dec 11, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Second: We need to put back Kovy on the left side.The joke as last long enough!!

The joke as last long enough went six games straight prior to this recent one with at least one point produced.

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by John Fischer on Dec 11, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

er

With 2 wins and 4 losses. I really don’t know why people keep defending this parise kovi combo. It’s been criticized all season and marginally effective.

by Nesterdude on Dec 11, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm..

I didn’t know 3 guys (that combined put up 23 points in those 6 games) decide whether a 23-man team wins or loses. I would put the blame on everything but that line in those 4 losses.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Dec 11, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

our two top forwards don’t help define wins/losses? While it is a team effort, I think you can see the ignorance of your statement

by Nesterdude on Dec 12, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Zach Parise-Adam Henrique-Ilya Kovalchuk;
Petr Sykora-Patrik Elias-David Clarkson;
Dainius Zubrus-Ryan Carter-Nick Palmieri;
Eric Boulton-Tim Sestito-Mattias Tedenby;
Rod Pelley-Travis Zajac-Cam Janssen.

Per Gulitti – these were the new lines at practice today.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Dec 11, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The Boulton/ Janssen signings are so aggravating right now.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why, what outstanding young talents have they been taking the spot of? How much salary cap space have they been eating up? Who would we have gotten to fill their role that would have been much better? They are playing 4th line minutes in inconsequential situations. Was it a great idea to get both of them? No, but they aren’t the reason the team isn’t scoring and they aren’t the reason the team is coughing the puck up at the worst possible time.

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by slackdog_rm on Dec 11, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Vladimir Zharkov would be on the team. He’s proven that he’s deserving at least to be a fourth liner in the last two seasons, only to be blackballed behind goons.

You’re right that the fourth line isn’t scoring or causing the problems, but they’re also not helping the Devils or have any role in the good things that are doing. It’s literally just a line full of non-energy guys; and when they’re out there, you can be guaranteed not much is going to happen because they’re just not good. Even slightly less marginal players would be a step forward to at least provide a slightly better chance that they could do something on the ice.

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by John Fischer on Dec 11, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

A Zalewsky-Carter-Zharkov line wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

And Kovalchuk speeds away, great moves, busting through, DID YOU SEE THAT?

by KovyisLove on Dec 11, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And double-shifting some Kovalchuk or Parise with Carter and Zharkov over the Tito’s Boult’s and Jan’s will begin to make a bit of sense perhaps!

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Dec 11, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Tedenby with Sestito and Boulton?

Tedenby is just not a 4th line player in this league. Awful linemates? Check. Reduced playing time? Check. I don’t care if he’s going to see time with a double shifted Kovy or Parise. Kovy and Parise shouldn’t be double shifted so frequently to begin with.

Teddy has seen so many different line combos this season it hurts to even think about. If PDB and Lou seriously want to put him on the fourth line then I’ll finally come out and say it: send him to Albany instead. I’d rather see him get tons of minutes, build confidence, and have a chance to spend more time bulking up. Further, I’d like to see the type of numbers he puts up in Albany at this point in his career and after having so many games at the NHL level. Relying on him to produce with a double shifted Kovy and Parise is dumb, and playing him at the 4th line is even dumber. Disappointment so far this year? For sure, but this isn’t exactly the answer.

by NJallDay on Dec 11, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Tedenby gets more passes than any NJ player. It’s his linemates. Oh, now it’s the coach’s fault. Tedenby has played 60% of the time with David Clarkson and 40% of the time with Ryan Carter. He’s played with the same line for almost half the year. He’s had flashes, but he’s not getting the job done.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting statistics you made up there about the %s of time Teddy has spent so far this season with Clarkson and Carter. Switching back to reality for a second, I believe it’s apparent that Tedenby sparked the renaissance that is David Clarkson this year, and is still a dangling firecracker that has yet to be utilized to his full potential. How do you use him to his full potential? I think you give him playing time with people who can also help create chances and aren’t just one dimensional like Clarkson. Give him more than 1.5 games with Elias before saying OK that’s enough.

And how can you use frequently playing with Ryan Carter as an excuse, when in this same thread you’ve already said

Carter is put on the 4th line where he belongs.

Are you saying Tedenby is a 4th line NHL player? That there’s no better alternative available right now? Come to think of it I actually don’t really know what you’re saying, aside from creating percentages. I don’t think being on the 4th line is best for Teddy’s current game or for his development, and I posted a few alternative ideas above.

by NJallDay on Dec 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s apparent that Tedenby has sparked the David Clarkson renaissance? Tedenby has assists on 3 of Clarkson’s 9 goals. Yeah, that’s clearly why Clarkson has played better – Mattias Tedenby.

Also, yeah I made up those stats: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14&ds=8&f5=N.J#mf=t

What I’m saying is that Tedenby has to play better every game. He’s had flashes of doing that. The Devils can’t afford to try to let him get his feet with our best players – if he can’t hack it there, he shouldn’t be there.

Carter isn’t good, but that doesn’t excuse Tedenby for also not being good.

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by Triumph44 on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

First : The Devils should of try to traded Salvador for Kaberle.

I couldn’t get past this and my biggest grammatical pet peeve…

by Marty 4 Prez on Dec 11, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Devils should of try to traded Salvador for Kaberle.

I can understand why this deal might work for Carolina — Salvador is probably a very similar player to Spacek, including his contract expiring at season’s end. Carolina’s GM has also been very candid about how the Kaberle signing was a mistake for his team and cut bait on the deal very quickly.

But why would the Devils be interested in Tomas Kaberle? He’s vastly overpaid, he’s not particularly wonderful, he’s very shaky in his own end of the ice, he has three years left on his contract, and the Devils could have had him this summer if they were interested when Kaberle was a UFA.

I have to wonder what the love affair with Tomas Kaberle is among some readers of this site. Are so many people still stuck in 2006 when Kaberle’s offensive numbers were terrific, albeit in a season where all kinds of offensive numbers for all kinds of players went crazy?

by acasser on Dec 11, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Devils need a beast in front of the net...

I truly believe that if the devils had a player that would camp out in front of the net that they would score more goals. Many of their shots are coming from the outside and they are not blocking the goalies view enough. Brian Gionta used to score alot of goals from in front. Dirty goals are created from being in front collecting rebounds and deflecting shots. I really hope we can find that type of player before we fall out of the playoff picture.

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by don_vas on Dec 11, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

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