2011 NHL Trade Deadline: How to Not Look Dumb with Trade Rumors & Speculation
There's less than a week before the 2011 NHL Trade Deadline, which is on Monday, February 28. Already there have been several deals made in advance of the deadline. These include, but are not limited to, Nashville shipping a 2011 first round picks to Ottawa for Mike Fisher; Philadelphia giving Toronto their first and third round picks for Kris Versteeg; and Dallas shipping James Neal and Matt Niskanen to Pittsburgh for Alex Goligoski. There's been a lot of action and there could be much more in the coming days.
As with any other season, it appears the trade deadline will be a big deal for the entire league this season. Unfortunately with great popularity, comes with a great load of misinformation. While there are reporters with their sources reporting reasonable things, it's all mixed in wannabes with their sources spreading false rumors and people just spouting nonsense in general.
I want to help. You, me, and even George of the Jungle (watch out for that tree). I've come up with a list of tips about how to deal with all of the noise out there in the NHL for this crazy time of last-minute deals and speculation. This won't help you be popular or make you attractive that person you want to get to know better. But it should help prevent people from looking like morons for passing off junk as treasure, or getting worked up over something incredibly unrealistic.
1. Rumors are Exactly That. Take Them with a Grain of Salt.
At the risk of sounding like Captain Bring-Down, I wouldn't trust a rumor any farther than you can throw it. I know they are fun to talk about, and with the Internet - especially Twitter - it's easy to spread them around. However, it's the biggest source of the misinformation which obfuscates with any truthful information.
As Derek Zona pointed out yesterday at the Copper & Blue, not even those who are considered to be credible insiders called out most of the trades that happened in the past few weeks. While rumors have flown, not much has come true unless it's imminent news (e.g. the Kaberle deal). Zona's entire post is a must-read so I'm not going to re-hash what he wrote. All I'll add to it is that it's reason enough to not take them so seriously in general. It's easier for anyone (like Tom Gulitti) to handle the frenzy of the trade deadline if you don't put a lot of faith in what some unnamed source says.
2. There is No Prize for Being First (Unless You're a Reporter)
I can see how breaking a news story is advantageous for a reporter. It's their job to get the word out and if they're the first, all credit to them. However, there seems to be this rush by others to break the news. I guess out of some desire to get/claim credit, get attention, and/or to just feel important.
Personally, I think it's a fool's game. Let me ask this: If a trade happens, what's going to spread around? What will people be most interested in seeing? What will they be tweeting, posting, blogging, writing, and talking about? The person who broke the news or the actual news itself? I'm pretty sure it's the latter because it is the story.
I'm all for giving credit to where it's due; but I fear that in rushing to be "the first one," details can get lost, news can get messy, and trust can be broken if/when it turns out to be mistaken. I'd rather wait a little bit and comment on something that has been confirmed to have happened than something "pending" or "ensuing." This way I'm not wasting my time writing and your time reading. The same can be said if you want to pass it along on a message board or on a blog or in conversation. You and I don't get anything for being first, but we lose in someway if we're wrong.
3. Consider the Source First
Now, I can't speak for Matt, Tom, Kevin, or Tibbs; but I don't have any of those fabled "sources" that "say" a "deal is being worked out." I'm sure there are legitimate sources with legitimate information. There are legitimate insiders out there. However, there are a people who want to claim sources that are nothing more than second- to fifth-handed information. There are people who want to be insiders for whatever reason, but are truly not. Anytime they get something right, you'll never hear the end of it; anytime it's wrong and it's ignored or excused away. Then there are people like Eklund, who I am convinced is fed false information on purpose; which he parrots because he's a numpty.
Thanks to the Internet and Twitter, there are people you can trust for information. For the Devils, it's Tom Gulitti of the Bergen Record and Rich Chere (among other writers) at the Star-Ledger. Gulitti and Chere both blog their reports at Fire & Ice and NJ.com, respectively; and Gulitti is even active on Twitter. If anything happens with New Jersey and they report it, I can be confident in what they have to say. Much more than any dude who claims to be incarcerated, or some guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy who ran into Lou at a restaurant 10 years ago or whatever.
The Devils aren't the only ones to have reporters plugged in on the scene. If I want Canes news, I can trust what Chip Alexander has to say at Canes Now, as he works for the News & Observer. For Tampa Bay information, I know I can take Damien Cristodero's word for it as he's employed by the St. Petersburg Times. Rich Hammond knows the score of what's up in LA, and Chris Botta is aware of what's doing down on Long Island. I'm not going to name who to trust from every team, but you get the idea.
And there are networks that have reporters whose word can be trusted. On Twitter alone, there's Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie of TSN; Nick Kypreos of Sportsnet; and Pierre Lebrun of ESPN. All are active on Twitter as well as their network's respective sites, and they are plugged into the league like anyone else.
While I didn't list everyone possible, it's not a coincidence that the people who know what they are talking about happen to be legitimate journalists who interact with the public. They're not infallible, mistakes do happen. But I'm going to trust a journalist who has an actual connection to the team or league when they say something may be happening with two teams much more than some random guy (or even myself).
Essentially, consider the source before passing it on. If you're not sure, then leave it alone.
4. Remember that There is a Salary Cap
Whether the deal is cap compliant is a tell-tale sign of determining whether a rumored deal is fantasy or not. Sure, speculating on trades can be a fun way to pass the time and to float an idea on what you want to see happen. However, the NHL runs with a hard salary cap and any speculative proposal worth their salt would keep that in mind.
CapGeek is a wonderful and freely-available resource to see how each team's salary cap is broken down. What's even better is that CapGeek has a trade machine that calculates the team's cap after a proposed deal. Check to see if that trade idea in your head makes any sense cap-wise before telling anyone about it. If it does, then it's more of a reason to say it's a reasonable idea. If not, then you can learn what's wrong and fix it. Just make sure you check if the numbers work before spouting out an idea. Likewise, if you catch word of a rumored deal, check it with the trade machine at CapGeek to see if it's even plausible. If not, then simply pay it no mind.
5. Trades are (usually) Made to Benefit Both Sides
Too often with trade proposals by a fan (or a supposed "source" that benefits one side), they'll usually be in favor of the team that they support. This is not how most trades work.
Yes, there are trades where a team gets fleeced (e.g. Bryce Salvador for Cam Janssen from a few years back). There are stupid moves made by general managers (e.g. Florida trading away Michael Frolik in the middle of a slump). However, for the most part, both sides have to come away feeling that they achieved something for their side. They may be dead wrong, but both parties have to feel like they benefited in someway. If it's a team looking sell assets to kick off a rebuilding movement, then they need to get picks and good prospects in return to have something for their players. If it's a team looking to bolster a need, they may need to move a player at position of the other team's need. If it's a team looking to dump a player with a bad contract, then they may have to take on a similarly bad contract.
Basically, it's not as simple as saying, "I would love it if Player X from Team Y was a Devil; so I think they should move (lesser) player Z and prospect Q for X." You need to consider what the other team would be interested in the return along with how they regard the desired player. If a rumored deal doesn't have that, then pay it no mind (or make fun of it, whatever).
Summary
Now, some of you are probably thinking: "John, that's a lot of words and I just don't have the time to read. Can you sum it all up into something shorter?" The rest of you would like a summary anyway.
Certainly. Don't put a lot of trust into rumors in general, don't rush to be the first guy to know what's going on, consider who is spreading the news and rumors before passing it on (or asking a reporter to check on it, this will usually be fruitless for all involved), and don't forget about the salary cap and the simple truism that trades usually benefit both teams in some way.
Most of all: Relax. Whatever will happen, will happen. I'm not saying don't react to a trade. By all means, share what you feel about a move. If your favorite team does make a brain-dead move, then say so - though I recommended think about it first and show why you think so. Just wait until it actually happens before you get upset, ecstatic, or somewhere in between.
If you can follow all this, you will reduce the risk of beclowning yourself in front of your real or Internet peers and be able to properly observe what happens at the 2011 NHL Trade Deadline without going nuts. It's not much, but it's a step ahead of freaking out over every small rumbling.
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but Eklund said Bowmeester may become a Devil….
I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist.
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yeah his contract is for 7 mil a year… I don’t think the Devils could find space in their cap space for him unless he wants to play for significantly less money. http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=817
Sigh
Please resist.
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by John Fischer on Feb 23, 2011 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just looked at Capgeek.com and I think that trading Arnott, Clarkson, and some first/second draft picks to the Ducks for Getzlaf could be done. Getzlaf has a cap hit of 5.3 mil and Arnott/Clarkson have a cap hit of 7.1 mil. With a few first round draft picks, I think this would be a reasonable trade. Any thoughts?
Uh oh.
Let’s not let this become a ‘What if’ thread. While I would love that trade, let’s deal with realistic ideas. Plus, this is not the place for it. Please start a fanpost (with reasoning)if you feel strongly that this could be done.
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by Tom Stivali on Feb 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
This is why I wrote #5
Yes, salaries may match up; but this doesn’t benefit the Ducks in the least.
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by John Fischer on Feb 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt the Duck’s GM is that stupid to accept the trade even if he’s getting like 4 1st rounders
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 23, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
OK OK, I've got one
Arnott, Rolston, Salvador, a draft pick, and a bag of pucks to Vancouver for the Sedin brothers. Why havent the Devils pulled the trigger on this one?!?!
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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 23, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good post John
but I think the trade deadline speculations and rumors are the fun part of being a fan. It’s like our form of gossip. It’s what makes this week super exciting.
If you however, don’t want myself and others to fan shot rumors to death on your blog; then message received.
I have respect for most sports fans with 2 exceptions: NY Ranger fans who grew up in New Jersey, and Dallas Cowboy fans who can't name the capital of Texas.
I get that gossip and scuttlebutt is fun; but it’s so not worth getting worked up over what does/doesn’t happen because of some rumor. That’s really the main point.
If there’s something from someone who’s credible, then please share it. I just don’t think anyone benefits by regurgitating what someone thinks because it worked in NHL11 or repeating anything from Eklund.
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by John Fischer on Feb 23, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When it comes to NJ most rumors are bogus. Lou and company are pretty good at keeping their bussiness away from the media
by C.J. Richey on Feb 23, 2011 1:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
When it comes to NHL teams most rumors are bogus.
Every GM is pretty good at keeping their bussiness away from the media
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Zherdev
Theres no link yet, but a little bird told me the flyers are placing Zherdev on waivers. Dont take my word on it yet, just take it as a probably. If it were true, I wouldn’t mind if the devils picked him, then traded Arnott for a draft pick, or some scenario like that.
by whatjusthappened on Feb 23, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Zherdev doesn’t fit in with the Devils. The Flyers are floating him out there hoping someone will take him off their hands, otherwise they’ll banish him to the AHL. He’s talented, but he’s like many players who shows up one night out of six. Ridding themselves of Nikolai Zherdev is also just about the only “easy” move the Flyers have left to create cap space for themselves to load up further. There have been rumours for a while that Zherdev is on the market. A waiver move isn’t unexpected if they can’t trade him outright.
Where would you play Zherdev? The Devils have a glut of wingers, and Zherdev isn’t a center. If Arnott gets traded, either you have to break up Zubrus-Elias-Rolston (to shift Zubrus to third-line center) or you end up playing Jacob Josefson at center. While the former would create a spot on the #2 line on the wing, I’d rather fill it with Tedenby or Zharkov or even Clarkson over Zherdev.
Yeah I see what you mean. The flyers seem to just not like the guy thats why they didn’t play him much, there must have been some type of locker room conflict. They put guys like carcillo and shelly on the lineup instead for some reason. I wouldn’t mind if he played on the 3rd line to create some energy. I think if he had Kovy to somewhat mentor the guy maybe he could find a way to fit into the system. He does manage to find a way to score, which would help in games like last nights.
by whatjusthappened on Feb 23, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it is a “like” or “dislike” situation at all. Zherdev is tremendously talented, but he’s an enigma and he doesn’t always put in the effort. There’s a reason he was drafted as high as he was (#4 overall by Columbus in 2003). There’s also a reason he’s bounced from Columbus to MSG to the KHL to Philadelphia.
The Flyers brought him in on the cheap hoping he could replace what they expected from Simon Gagne prior to his salary dump on Tampa Bay. And to be completely fair, he does have 15 goals in limited time (47 games, and an average of 12:21 of ice-time per game).
As far as the Devils go, I don’t want him anywhere near this club. I don’t think there’s a role here that would encourage him to give a thorough effort particularly often. I think there’s a negative karmic energy that would come from his arrival — he’ll hurt the team when he mopes, he’ll take opportunity away from the players who have earned it, and he’ll eat up any remaining cap space the team has available to upgrade barring another trade.
The Flyers play Carcillo and Shelley because those two bring energy every night they’re on the ice, and they’ll drop the gloves if they can’t score (Shelley can’t, Carcillo has a decent offensive game and is very good at drawing penalties). If Zherdev isn’t scoring, he’s a complete waste. 100% from Shelley and/or Carcillo isn’t 100% from Zherdev, but you never know what you’re going to get out of Zherdev. Plus, Zherdev has been skating with the fourth line when he does dress now…. and that’s a role better suited to Carcillo and/or Shelley.
Zherdev is most likely to give more of an effort if he’s playing significant minutes in a Top 6 role. That isn’t available in NJ…. and if the idea is to put him on the third line, I’d rather see more of Tedenby and Zharkov.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 23, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Zherdev= Kovalev 2.0. DO NOT WANT.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 23, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome Copper & Blue and Puck Daddy readers. I fixed a typo in a heading just for you all.
Here’s another tip that didn’t make the cut: contract lengths may matter. It’s going to be more sensible for a team to trade an expiring contract than someone who has 2-4 years left on their deal. This didn’t make the cut because of the Mike Fisher deal between Nashville and Ottawa earlier this month (seriously, what was up with that?).
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