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David Steckel's Contract Impact and Next Season's Cap Outlook

Let's rewind about five months to when the season just began. The New Jersey Devils were heading into the regular season looking like one of the cream of the crop teams in the NHL. Though no one had an idea what the following months would bring them, October was filled with every possible problem a team could have. Yet there was just one major problem lurking over this team going into the season: cap problems. Over the cap by around $3 million, the Devils luckily (sort of?) got out of a jam when a number of players were hurt long term and were placed on injured reserve, even though it didn't seem like a good idea. They were even forced to play a two games with a shortened lineup.

Now that we all have a bad taste in our mouths (sorry about that), let's hit the "live" button. There are no more cap problems, the team is as healthy as it has been all season (that's not saying much), and they are turning things around after an outstanding month of hockey. On top of that, the Devils were active at the trade deadline by trading Jason Arnott to the Washington Capitals for David Steckel and a 2012 second round draft pick. Arnott will be a unrestricted free agent come July 1st, and odds were against him returning next year to the Devils thus adding no problem to next season's cap outlook. But the newly acquired David Steckel carries a multi-year contract and this will impact the cap outlook. 

So how does next season's cap look like? How does Steckel's added contract impact it? Are the Devils looking at a similar off-season as last year in terms of cap problems? Call this an initial early pre-primer to next season's cap hit payroll.

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First off, I'm getting all the cap related figures from CapGeek. It's a pretty remarkable site for any and all things player contracts and team caps. They have calculators for buyouts, waivers, and next year's cap outlook. I'll be takingsome other information from the Devils team page. Most of the linked names go to their CapGeek contract page.

Here's the list of forwards under contract for next season on a one-way contract:

Forward    2011-2012 Cap Hit
Ilya Kovalchuk
$6,666,667
Patrik Elias
$6,000,000
Brian Rolston $5,062,500
Travis Zajac $3,887,500
Dainius Zubrus $3,400,000
David Clarkson $2,666,667
David Steckel $1,100,000
Rod Pelley $550,000
Total $29,333,334

 

These eight players, perhaps save Rod Pelley though he has played in all 62 games this season, are stoned in for next season. The top three cap hits - Kovalchuk, Elias, and Rolston all have no trade clauses (Elias has a no movement clause). Rolston has the dreaded 35+ year old contract that pretty much means his cap hit stays no matter what (buyout, thrown to minors, retires). Most of these players will be Devils for a long period of time (baring a trade of course). Only Brian Rolston (contract page here) and Pelley (contract page) will be in contract years next season.

As you can see, Steckel's contract isn't that much compared to other veteran forwards, yet $1.1 million (for three seasons including this one) is still a good amount to put the team that may put the Devils in dire straits cap wise. It does take away a roster spot in the bottom six, leaving four to six spots left open (for 12 to 14 players) at forward.

Here's the defensemen on one-way contracts for next season:

Defensemen    2011-2012 Cap Hit
Anton Volchenkov $4,250,000
Henrik Tallinder $3,375,000
Colin White $3,000,000
Bryce Salvador $2,900,000
Total $13,525,000

 

The core defensemen are certainly expensive. Both Volchenkov's and White's contracts have no trade clauses. Salvador has been out all season, and will be out the rest of the season due to a concussion. Lamoriello stated he should be ready for next season baring any setback of course. Salvador, 35, and White, 33 will be unrestricted free agents after next season.

This leaves only two more players (and up to three) to fill out the rest of the blue line. There were a ton of injuries this season which meant 12 different defenders played at least one game this season, so there are many options to consider.

The total between the eight forwards and four defensemen is $42,858,334, a very hefty sum. Add along Martin Brodeur's (contract page) $5.2 million makes that figure $48,058,334 for 13 players. 

 

Let's breakdown where the maximum of 10 spots open will come from (1 goalie, 3 defenders, 6 forwards).

Here is the list of players under their entry level contracts (which are two-way contracts) that have played at least a game for the New Jersey Devils this season (except for one):

Player 2011-2012 Cap Hit
Jacob Josefson - C
$900,000
Mattias Tedenby - W
$875,000
Nick Palmieri - RW
$801,667
Mark Fayne - D
$542,500


Alexander Urbom - D
$870,000
Adam Henrique - C
$845,833

 

Tedenby, Palmieri, and Fayne have certainly played up to a level this season that may have solidified a spot for them on next years roster. They will still need to develop further, finish the season strong, and have a well enough camp next off-season, but marking them in now is a safe bet.

Josefson has played just eight games this season, yet he has been up from the AHL for a couple weeks now taking in all Lemaire and the coaching staff has to offer. Lemaire moved him to center yesterday and may give him a shot for tonight's game. If he does play, that should be his last in New Jersey so his contract can slide; John elaborates why the Devils should do this with Josefson along with Urbom.

This only leaves first year professional Adam Henrique. Playing in the AHL, Henrique has fit in very well, and Tom has much more on the Prospect Profile he did in mid-February. In Tom's most recent prospect statistical update, he noted Adam leads the Albany Devils in scoring and is sixth in rookie scoring in the entire AHL. We may see him a lot next season.

In terms of Steckel's presence, he does occupy a spot at center for the bottom two lines. This actually takes away a spot from Josefson and/or Henrique. Yet, both aren't the best option for a physical, checking line center. They can battle it out for the 3rd line center role and one could possibly move to winger, which both have played at some point this season.

The next list is the list of all the unrestricted free agents:

Player    2010-2011 Cap Hit
Johan Hedberg - G $1,500,000
Andy Greene - D $737,500
Adam Mair - F $515,000
Brad Mills - C $505,000
Jay Leach - D $500,000
Chad Wiseman - LW $500,000
Rob Davison - D $500,000
Mike McKenna - G $500,000

 

There are only three full time NHLers here. Johan Hedberg has been a great free agent pick up worth the cost. Adam Mair is a depth forward who has worked hard when given the chance the play. Yet for next season, Hedberg at this price will be too much and with the emergence of the youth and Steckel coming in, Mair is on the outside looking in.

Andy Greene is the guy here. Tom figured out his worth when doing Greene's trade deadline question (anywhere around $2.5 to $3.5 million per year). He's the Devils biggest unrestricted free agent player this off-season, and take extra emphasis on unrestricted.

Steckel's contract may indirectly decide if and how much Greene is offered this summer. If Greene is expecting somewhere in the higher range that Tom noted or even more, Steckel's $1.1 million hinders that dramatically. The Devils may have been better off going in another direction, getting more draft picks, and signing someone like Mair on the cheap for next season. This is all under the assumption that the Devils even want Greene back next year (by not trading him, it seems they know what they want)

Here's the list of all the restricted free agents:

Player    2010-2011 Cap Hit
Zach Parise - LW $3,125,000
Vladimir Zharkov - W $850,000
Alex Vasyunov - LW $850,000
Matt Corrente - D $821,667
Anssi Salmela - D $612,500
Tyler Eckford - D $550,000
Jeff Frazee - G $541,667
Nate Perkovich - RW $515,000
Matt Taormina - D $510,000
Mark Fraser - D $500,000
Tim Sestito - C $500,000
Olivier Magnan - D $500,000
Steven Zalewski - C $500,000

 

As far as forwards  everyone goes, Zach Parise is the number one priority this offseason (who knew right?..well everyone did). The winger who's been out over 50 games due to a knee injury may return this season depending on what the doctors say this week. Lou and the Devils locking him up long term would be ideal. His cost - a lot. People use Kovalchuk's average ($6.67m) as a good starting point, but his worth and contract details are for a post at another time.

Vladimir Zharkov is also deserving of a new contract. The two-way forward has proven to be a steady bottom six forward with some use on the penalty kill. Because his current cap hit contains any bonuses he may receive (we don't know what the bonus(es) is/are) his new cap hit may actually may be less than it is now. His contract reveals that he is guaranteed $610k with $240k possible in bonuses. For example, he may sign a new one-way contract with a $750k per year hit, all guaranteed. The same goes for Alex Vasyunov and Matt Corrente who also receive bonuses. 

As for defensemen - Anssi Salmela, Matt Taormina, and Mark Fraser may be battling it out for any or all remaining spots on the roster. Taromina has been out with a nagging ankle injury that required surgery. The offensive minded defender showed much promise though when playing in the NHL. Anssi Salmela has been logging big minutes in recent games being paired with Greene and Mark Fraser has been the 7th defenseman for a while, and his showing when Volchenkov was suspended was not a very good one. 

 

Again, the Devils have exactly $48,058,334 for 13 players.

For the remaining 10, I would add in Mark Fayne ($542,500), Mattias Tedenby ($875,000), Nick Palmieri($801,667), and Jacob Josefson ($900,000). I'm taking Josefson over Henrique because Josefson has a slightly higher cap hit. Also note, the Devils have approximately $1,000,000 in wasted cap space due to the buyouts of Jay Pandolfo and Andrew Peters.

This makes the total $52,177,501 and the need for one goalie, up to two defenders, and up to three forwards. The must signing of Zach Parise, and the resigning negotiations of Andy Greene along with who is making it (and their worth) out of notables like Vladimir Zharkov, Matt Taormina, Anssi Salmela and Mark Fraser are really going to squeeze things.

In terms of Steckel's contract, the Devils now have a long term solution to a checking line centerman. Will he be worth his contract? Who knows, he has yet to even play game. But signs to point to him fitting into the Devils long term system and contributing the way he should.

The salary cap upper limit this season is $59.4 million, yet that figure may and should go up. In December, it was noted the cap may go up anywhere around $2 to even $3 million. Some things that do help the rising cap are the new $400 million beer deal the NHL just signed and the new television deal that will be signed with someone. More revenue for the league and the owners means they may be more comfortable with an increase upper (and lower) limit. That would give the Devils over $9 to 10 million in cap space, which would still put them up there, yet not as severe.

It's only March, hence the initial early pre-primer..yeah, you got it. The Devils could make a trade over the off-season, buyout a player, or waive someone. There's still some time to fix this on the horizon problem (7 months). Free agency shouldn't be as noisy as last year for the Devils, possibly getting a back up goalie or a league minimum depth player. Still, the outlook now for next year may change.

Overall, if they over pay some players like Greene or even Zharkov, over shop/pay in free agency for a back-up goalie, another defenseman, or depth forward and the upper limit doesn't go up as drastic as some say (say only $1 million), then the Devils will be in major cap trouble once again. However, I don't think the Devils cap will be over as drastic as the $3 million range they were coming into this season (unless they really go out of their way and try to match that).

So what do you think? Are you concerned about the cap outlook for next year? How severely has Steckel's contract hampered the cap outlook in your opinion? The Devils don't have much work to do over the off season in terms of adding major parts (nor do they have the room). What do you want to see? Let us know in the comments, and thanks for reading.

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Reading this has gotten me even more nervous about our cap.

by Devils1192 on Mar 2, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome write up Matt.

I really hope we don’t over pay Andy Greene. I am still not convinced he will get any better than he is now and I don’t want to pay someone 3 mill for their performance LAST season.

I have been really impressed with Anssi Salmela the past few weeks. He has been playing really well defensively and has shown a lot of hustle and flair on offense. He also seems a lot more physical than the undersized Andy Greene. I hope he can keep it up.

Lastly, I am very concerned about goaltending. It seems very likely next year will be Marty’s last (at least as starter) and I would like to have more confidence in the future at that position. It would be great to know that Marty’s backup next season has a shot a becoming our full-time option by at worst the following year. What do you think of the prospects in Albany this year. Are either Frazee or McKenna ready to come up next year and be backup? Has there ever been a detailed analysis of our goaltending that I might have missed?

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by Michael Gianetti on Mar 2, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I am worried about our Cap for next season. However, I do not think Steckel is the reason, as long as he can play in each game and isnt considered the teams 13th forward. Figure if Zach comes in at $6.725M ($3.6M added), we can manage to sign Greene at $2.2375M ($1.5M added) and keep whichever (bottom 6, bottom 2) players for less than $1M for any of them, we should be ok.
However, I think moving Bryce Salvador becomes important once again, once he is healthy.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

You think anyone would be interested in Salvador? He will be 35? coming off a BAD concussion with a pretty big cap hit.

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by Michael Gianetti on Mar 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

buy out

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by whatjusthappened on Mar 2, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not too many would be, no. But I honestly think there will be some teams needing to take on salary to make it to the Cap floor (Florida, Colorado, Atlanta, the Islanders, or back to St Louis) and could use a veteran, hard-nosed presence on the back end. The only difference would be the concussion. Hopefully he gets healthy, but before this season started, Salvador was mentioned in each rumor of us moving a player.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

well, to be honest, it was because he didn’t have a NTC. Salvs and Zubie were expected to be moved because it was the easy way out barring injury.

But yeah, he’d still have value. He’d probably have to play posessed in the preseason, but someone would pick him up.

Still don’t like the buyout option. I also don’t so much like the idea of burying him, but given the choice, I hope he likes it in Albany. He could always retire too, since he’s not on a 35+.

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by Murdoc on Mar 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Steckel doesn’t change very much – he only adds $600k to the Devils’ cap. The Devils still have to move one of Rolston, Clarkson, or Zubrus, while choosing between Salvador and Greene. Once they do this, there’ll be plenty of money.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

technically

He adds $575K to the cap. The minimum salary goes up to $525K next season (from the CBA):

11.12 Minimum Paragraph 1 Salary. Except with respect to Amateur Try-Out
Agreements pursuant to Exhibit 17, no SPC entered into after the date of execution of this
Agreement shall provide:
(a) for Paragraph 1 NHL Salary of less than the following:
2005-06 – U.S. $450,000
2006-07 – U.S. $450,000
2007-08 – U.S. $475,000
2008-09 – U.S. $475,000
2009-10 – U.S. $500,000
2010-11 – U.S. $500,000
2011-12 – U.S. $525,000

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What I came up with on CapGeek, not looking good for Salvador

How I see the line-up for next season. We will need to move a decent-sized salary (Salvador, Zubrus, Lord help us Rolston) and assume the Cap raises at least $2M.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.666m) / Travis Zajac ($3.887m) / Nick Palmieri ($0.801m)
Zach Parise ($6.725m) / Patrik Elias ($6.000m) / Dainius Zubrus ($3.400m)
Brian Rolston ($5.062m) / Jacob Josefson ($0.900m) / Mattias Tedenby ($0.875m)
Rod Pelley ($0.550m) / Dave Steckel ($1.100m) / David Clarkson ($2.666m)
/ / Vladimir Zharkov ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Anton Volchenkov ($4.250m) / Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m)
Colin White ($3.000m) / Bryce Salvador ($2.900m)
Mark Fayne ($0.542m) / Andy Greene ($2.237m)
/ Anssi Salmela ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Martin Brodeur ($5.200m) / Jeff Frazee ($0.550m)

BUYOUTS: Jay Pandolfo ($0.833m) / Andrew Peters ($0.166m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,390,001; BONUSES: $240,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$3,990,001

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

CapGeek has a very hip Cap Calculator in which you can do this. The link is for the Devils and it allows you to publish it, then copy and paste it to a comment area like “Self-Kontained Underwater Breathing Apparatus 7” did.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize for not linking, I couldn’t ‘kontain’ myself in posting it quickly.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

NP, it’s a very accurate way to look at things so I just linked it for the others. You can change the salary cap as well.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Greene will almost certainly earn more than $2.237M, in my opinion. Unrestricted free agency is just insanity and puck-moving defensemen are always in high demand.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If Greene costs more than that, you let him move along. He isn’t all that good IMO. And having Taormina, Fayne and Salmela able to do a similar job puts the Devils in the position of power on this one.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Lou ought to offer him $1.5M, which is more than double his salary. If he gets a better offer, so be it, Parise’s worth the extra 750K or so people seem to be allotting for Greene. With a tight cap, overpaying for Greene is NOT an option.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Let Greene walk when he’s overpayed. Remove Salvador by retirement, trade or lovely upstate NY.

Salmela and Taormina on D.

Hedberg for $1M per year to retire here in 3 years.

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by Murdoc on Mar 2, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

the words about Salvador being ready for training camp may be smoke and mirrors. I mean wouldn’t the rest of the league just love it if the Devils were cap-strapped to start the season next season? I believe Salvador either won’t come back, or if he does, he won’t be the same player and will retire during/after pre-season.

Hedberg for 3 years seems a bit much, although he does take extremely good care of himself. If Rolo can play until 41, maybe…

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Salvador retire and forfeit his salary? If he is too injured to play he will sit on the roster, unless he is bought out. (and I can’t recall if you can buyout an injured player, I would assume you can)

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Salvador retire and forfeit his salary?

Pride. How would you like to go out on the ice and look like a fool if you couldn’t perform any more? If he can’t play up to his standards, isn’t it better for him to retire and probably hook on somewhere as an assistant coach than to be waived, assigned to Albany and not even play there? If he wants to sit in the press box in Albany because he wants to “earn” his salary, then he’s still off the Devils cap, so it’s really a moot point, his salary doesn’t count.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So he would hurt his family and forfeit that money for pride? That seems silly. It’s unlikely he will have a $2.9MM payday in any walk of life after his career ends. He would not throw that away. First his agent would never let him do that, and the PA wouldn’t either.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You may be right, but if he can’t play any longer, I don’t see that he’d have much of a choice.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he would just be on LTIR.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t play and still injured aren’t necessarily the same thing. And if he’s healthy, Bettman ain’t letting him stay on LTIR.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That I agree with.

But if he is cleared by the Docs then he tries to play. If his skills are eroded then he gets sent to the AHL. And he would actually get paid more in the AHL since there is no escrow!

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It might not be pride, but his long term health. Does he risk his overall health for the rest of his life for one year of playing (yeah and $2.9 million)? That’s up to him I guess.

I don’t know how accurate this site is, but he’s made some decent green in his career. Plus, Lou would probably give him a job with the organization to stay somewhat in the game.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt-I am assuming he wouldn’t even be cleared to play and be forced to eat the crappy Rock pizza. If he is at risk no dr. would clear him. Why would he forfeit that salary by saying he retires?

Decent green? Perhaps……don’t make me go on a Pro-Dan Ellis rant!

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

haha! Haven’t had the pizza, but the Italian hot dogs are great from what I remember.

I actually agree with you. I don’t think he would just hang em up. Though if he actually did, I don’t think it would be because of pride. I agree that if he’s having trouble getting back into shape and into the role he has, the Devils should buy him out or send him to the minors. Sure the buyout is wasted cap, but it’s saves $1.9m next season. The following season isn’t really a worry.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my worry – that say Salvador is healthy enough to return, is is going to be the physical defensive minded player he was? There was already concern from fans about him not playing up to his contract; there’s no way he’ll be able to play even up to half of his hit.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you mentioned this unless I just missed it but the cap should go up atleast a little, which should help somewhat. Even with it going up we’ll still be in trouble though. Moving someone in the offseason will be crucial

Clarkson would probably be the easiest to move. He hasn’t had the best season but he obviously has potential and has an edge to his game that teams would find attractive.

Bringing back Greene will probably be dependent on how much Parise’s cap hit is and on whether we can move someone.

by C.J. Richey on Mar 2, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

The Cap rising a bit is in the write-up. What do you think of the lineup above? If we move Clarkson (for picks or prospects) and the Cap rises $2M, we would be Cap compliant with no moves other than bringing up, say, Eckford and letting him play either Forward or Defense as needed.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I did in the fourth to last paragraph. There’s a link stating it may go up anywhere between $2 to $3 million.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright don’t know how I missed that

by C.J. Richey on Mar 2, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Taormina

I forgot how much I missed this man. I think he is definitely in the plans for next year, and it’s a shame he hasn’t made it back this season.

by Mandmeisterx on Mar 2, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

But doesnt that make one of Salmela or Greene redundant?

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we don’t have much space to work with, if Greene asks for more than ~1.x mil, he walks. With Fayne, Taormina, Corrente, and Salmela, we’ll be alright without Greene.

Having cap room to work with is crucial to being competitive in today’s NHL. We can’t hamstring ourselves next season by adding another multi-million contract.

The good news is, after next season, we’re in much better position without the Rolston, Brodeur, and White contracts. I wouldn’t worry too much about Frazee or McKenna being ready to replace Marty. Signing a decent goalie in the offseason isn’t too big of a challenge.

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by bergenline on Mar 2, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes month that I’m worried about our salary cap for next season. Someone with a big contract (Rollie, Zubie, Clarkie) has to go obviously, because it would be the best to resign guys like Zach, Zharkov, Greene, Salmela (yes, Salmela), Taormina & a decent back-up Goalie. & apart Zach, all these guys should accept a terrific pay-cut.

I’ll let you do the maths, but from the Salary books, we’ve got only $7 millions cap space in hand for now. Better hope the salary cap will badly increase.

I see no problem with Steckel’ s trade since with Arnie was a free agent, we definitely had to sign a 3rd/4th line center anyway. $1.1 million’s not too shabby imo. Way better for our salary cap than a $4.5 millions contract

by Elektrostal_Kid on Mar 2, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Good Read Matt

I wish I could say I am optimistic regarding the cap next season.

I would say that I can only hope they don’t have to give up too much in the way of picks/prospects to unload a Rolston/Zubrus/Clarkson but who am I kidding. The Devils will likely have the same cap problems next September they did this past September.

My guess is that Greene is retained (and overpaid) and Parise is re-signed which puts the Devils in cap hell again as they fill out the roster with rookies.

As far as Steckel goes I like what he brings. And you can’t blame him for the Devils continual mis-management of the salary cap.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think they will have to give up very much to unload either Zubrus or Clarkson. I have some elaborate Rolston unloading scenarios that probably are worh exploring in a FanPost. Still, the free agent market is a wasteland – Clarkson will look good to someone on July 15. I still think Rolston is the odd-man out, though.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Zubrus is going anywhere, personally. He’s overpaid, but probably more useful to the Devils than to any other team. He’s a versatile forward that can play either wing or center and anywhere on the top three lines.

Despite his resurgence, Rolston is a big problem on this team. He’s paid like a top-line forward, needs top-notch linemates to play with in order to produce anything at all, but is getting in the way of the development of players like Tedenby, Palmieri, and Zharkov. Will someone be willing to take him at half price in the offseason? I hope so, but I don’t know.

Clarkson belongs on a fourth line. Period. Putting him with third-line caliber players like Josefson and Zharkov is a waste because he doesn’t make them better and they don’t make him better. The guy can chip in goals from a fourth line role and bring energy and truculence, but I don’t see him ever making the jump to a 2nd/3rd line type player. A player like him is still nice to have, but given his contract and the Devils’ cap woes, I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger on a trade.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying 20 goals last year on the 3rd line of himself, Dean McAmmond and Clarkson is nothing? I’m not saying it is what his contract warrants but certainly isn’t too terrible. In no way am I defending keeping him but I believe he was never given an opportunity to prove he was worth it till recently with the depth we have at left wing.

by pshapiro on Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

rolston almost never played on such a line. he played a bunch with elias when elias was moved to center. then when kovalchuk was acquired he moved down to play with niedermayer and clarkson.

he wasn’t given that many opportunities, but he usually chose to sulk instead of proving his worth. i have no idea why brent sutter thought he was a center, though.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right niedermeyer was who i was thinking of, too caught up in this year to remember correctly…thanks for the correction but either way still not terrible production for what he was given. He probably could have stepped up a little more but when he was originally given the contract I don’t believe he was thinking he would be given 3rd line minutes.

by pshapiro on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that doesn’t excuse the other 100 or so games he played before the devils got kovalchuk.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolston scored 1.325 pts per 60 min of even-strength ice time, largely on the third line, in 2009-10, 1.605 pts per 60 ES min this year in mostly second-line duty.

Tedenby, as a rookie, has scored 1.500 pts per 60 ES min on third-line duty. Tedenby may have some defensive deficiencies, but he’s already a better scorer than Rolston.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no way that there are adequate sample sizes to suggest that.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but there’s also probably not enough of a sample size to suggest that Rolston’s “resurgence” is anything but dumb luck. After a hot streak of 13 pts in 10 games, he has 5 pts in the last 11.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Which, albeit a bit below at .455, is a lot closer to his career .623 points per game than it is to 1.3.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t think there’s much to suggest that rolston’s horrible start was anything besides dumb bad luck either. we’ll see how tedenby does in his new role. he might be better offensively but he is a trainwreck on defense.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you really comparing Tedenby with Rolston? Seriously?

by zach parise9 on Mar 2, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree about hindering the development of Tedenby. Personally I am not that concerned if Zharkov and Palmieri are blocked.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I really have no idea how you can say that Clarkson, who has 49 goals in 278 NHL games, is a 4th liner, yet Zharkov, with his 1 goal in 64 games, is a 3rd liner. Clarkson has his problems, but he can score some goals. Zharkov will have to increase his offense to make it as a top 9 forward.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Are scoring goals the main responsibility of the 3rd and 4th line? I think Clarkson is better used in a defensive, physical role than a scoring one. Don’t get me wrong, if a 3rd or 4th line can score while doing that, well then you have an elite team.

I think a Zharkov-Steckel-Clarkson will work as the 4th line, and I’d rather Palmieri or Tedenby be on the 3rd line than Clarkson.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Are scoring goals the main responsibility of the 3rd and 4th line?

Goals are made up of shots, and the more goals you have, that usually indicates that you have more shots, and thus suggests puck possession. 3rd and 4th lines that don’t score tend to be getting reamed possession-wise as well.

So are they the ‘main responsibility’ – no, not as such, but it sure helps.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Zharkov has the better Corsi/Fenwick, does he not? All I’m saying is that Clarkson will chip in his goals regardless of the skill level of his linemates, but personally I think he’s a drag on higher-skilled linemates. Zharkov has yet to produce points, but I still think he is a better complement to our better players.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Zharkov has the better Corsi/Fenwick, does he not?

not really so far this year.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If the bottom lines are matched aggressively against top lines (see Malhotra in Vancouver) then those bottom lines need not score.

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by red army line on Mar 3, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you are right. My fear is that Lamoriello attempts to get what he thinks is fair value for Clarkson/Zubrus/Rolston in a trade which will leave the Devils the same place they were in last year.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Parise's contract

Zach’s contract is a huge X-factor. I could see his cap hit anywhere between 6.3M to 7.5M. On the one hand, the stats suggest he’s better than Kovalchuk at both ends of the ice and therefore deserves to earn more than Kovy. On the other hand, he’s a restricted free agent and Kovalchuk was the biggest free agent out there since the lockout. I’m also less concerned about Kovalchuk’s scoring ability diminishing over time – the wicked wrister never really left Sakic. I guess it all comes down to what Zach wants and the strategy would be to sell him on a lower cap hit to benefit the team’s ability to contend.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

The scary part is that Parise is an RFA and worth the sacrafice of an offer sheet. We can’t predict what other teams will be willing to offer him, especially because its no secret that the Devils have cap issues and retaining him could be a problem. Someone might be willing to offer him a huge contract and the Devils would pretty much be forced to let him walk.

by SonicJoe on Mar 2, 2011 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Greene vs Salvador vs the kids

There are three Dmen that I’m pretty sure will still be in NJ next year: Volchenkov, Tallinder, and White.

There will be three kids vying for prime spots in the top-six D: Taormina, Fayne, and Urbom.

There are three kids that, frankly, have probably run their course with the Devils and probably should be traded: Corrente, Fraser, and Salmela. Sure, one of these guys could be retained as a 7th Dman, but will any of their trade values improve by sitting in the press box most nights or by playing in the AHL?

And then there’s Greene and Salvador. Salvador’s head injury makes him both untradeable and a question mark for next season – despite what he and Lou say, there’s no guarantee that he’ll be able to play again. If he can’t play, that leaves the team with the three vets and the three promising kids for their D corps, and I’m not sure all three kids will definitely take steps forward next year, especially given they’ll be asked to carry the entire burden of offense from the blueline. We could end up seeing a replay of the first half of this year all over again.

Greene, on the other hand, will likely demand at least a three-year contract, never mind the likely cap hit of at least $2.5M. Does it make sense to sign him for that long, impeding the availability of roster spots for our kids? In 2012, when Rolston, Brodeur, White, and Salvador’s contracts all expire, will we want to go after a bigger-name stud Dman? Will players like Merrill, Burlon, and Gelinas be ready to challenge for roster spots in 2012 as well?

My plan would be to cut Greene loose (more because of the term he will demand than the cap hit), find a veteran Dman with some decent offensive skills willing to take a one-year contract for anywhere between $1.5-2.5M (Sami Salo could be a good option, in my opinion), and be ready to bury Salvador in the minors. In 2012, we’ll see where our prospects are at and consider either keeping White or replacing him with a younger, better (and more expensive) veteran.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

Greene should have been moved. One of my issues this year with Lou Lamoriello is his steadfast refusal to discuss contract extensions during the season. Why wait until May or June to get a sense of what it would take to re-sign Greene? Now they will likely overpay him in the offseason to keep him in Jersey and we will be having ‘Who will take Andy Greene’s contract?’ discussions next February at the trade deadline.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether you do it now or in May or June, the price really doesn’t change.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The price may not have changed, but the knowledge of what it is would most certainly weigh on Lamoriello’s mind at the deadline.

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by Skuba7 on Mar 2, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Lou needs to know what Zach’s cap number is before he can commit money to Greene. Of course, if Lou had hammered out a contract extension while Parise was injured, that would have been nice and we could be talking more specifically about the salary we’d be willing to pay Greene, but as long as Parise goes unsigned, Greene will definitely not be signed, unless Lou is totally comfortable with burying Salvador in the minors.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably, but the Devils will never know. However if you know it’s going to be too high you can get something for him.

Jim Rutherford (whose team will actually make the playoffs) traded Ian White since they knew they couldn’t re-sign him. He probably didn’t want to do it but he knew it was the right thing to do for the franchise.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

you mean whose team might make the playoffs. You don’t know that he is.

by KovyisLove on Mar 2, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. Would ‘probably’ fit better?

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well, yeah after all were busting through they are out :)

by KovyisLove on Mar 2, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And I hope you are right.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ian White had been there for 30 games, Andy Greene’s been in the organization for his entire pro career. The situations are a little different.

Lou indicated that Greene said he wanted to stay.

Might this backfire? Sure, Greene may walk for nothing. But it’s around this time of year when 2nd round picks are vastly overrated. They are not particularly valuable, especially not in this draft. They turn into an average or better player like 10% of the time, and it takes 5 years for that to happen.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually Greene said he never really had that sort of conversation with LL.

2nd round picks might be overrated, but having one to leverage at the draft or next year at trade deadline can be key in making another acquisition. Much better having that then letting someone walk for nothing. I am not even saying let him walk. Just have the conversation.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lou indicated that Greene said he wanted to stay.

That’s not entirely accurate. Gulitti noted:

Although Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello mentioned that Greene and Hedberg wanted to stay with the team, they both said they did not have specific conversations with Lamoriello in which he asked them if they did.

"I don’t know we ever really said that, but he knows from past conversations how I feel about being here and playing here," Greene said.

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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 2, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s see, Lou said trading Greene was never considered, but he listened. So it’s possible there were offers, just not good enough. So the possibility still exists for Lou to trade the negotiating rights to Greene for a draft pick either on draft day (giving the interested team more time to sign him) or as July 1 approaches. Greene would probably have warranted a 3rd or 4th round pick at best anyway at the trade deadline. He hasn’t made too many impressions this year.

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by FrankG929 on Mar 2, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If Wideman was getting a 3rd and a marginal prospect at the deadline, I think Greene (and his very low cap hit) could have gotten a second round pick or more.

Heck the Sens got a second for Campoli!

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think trading Greene would have killed the miracle dream. A D corps of Volchenkov-White, Tallinder-Fayne, Fraser-Salmela would get killed. Greene makes a huge difference to this team right now, with Taormina and Salvador out and Urbom not ready.

by dr(d)evil on Mar 2, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree it would kill the dream. No denying that.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Campoli is an RFA, and Wideman is signed through next year at a bad number. Plus Greene’s had a terrible year. It’s an open question whether he would’ve gotten a 2nd. I wouldn’t even bother with a 3rd.

by Triumph44 on Mar 2, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Greene started off poorly but has played better of late. Considering the other bodies that were traded at the deadline, I would wager a pretty high amount that if he were traded he would have returned a second.

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by Tom Stivali on Mar 2, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt

This post shows a lot of hard work on your part. I don’t have much to say, just good job hammering this all out. I am much more of an educated fan because I read this post.

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by Cherno77 on Mar 2, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

Strong post

But I do not agree with the notion that steckel gives them less cap room for next year. He fills a roster spot that they would otherwise need to pay somebody else for. Potentially upwards of a pretty reasonable 1.1 million dollars.

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