Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Events Cause Mariners To Lose To Rangers

2011 In Lou We Trust NHL Mock Draft Version 1: The Top Ten Picks

Well, last Tuesday the unthinkable happened.  The New Jersey Devils got a little luck.  With the odds stacked against them (3.6% chance) the Devils won the NHL's draft lottery jumping up 4 slots from pick #8 to pick #4Shocked Devils fans raced to In Lou We Trust to share their joy with others as we all ponder who will be available on June 24th when the Devils are ready to make their selection.  In the comments section of the post John Fischer summed up the feelings of most of Devils nation when he said:

The Devils played out of their minds in the second half of this season, they didn’t tank even when mathematically eliminated, and they get the 4th overall pick.

Feels good, man.

And he is 1000% right.  Listen, I would have been happy with the 8th or 9th pick, but there is an additional level of satisfaction for doing things the right way and seeing some reward from it.

The Devils could have gone into tank mode like the Pittsburgh Penguins do every so often, but they fought until the end of the season, even winning a meaningless game on the last day of the season which dropped them from the #6 slot to the #8 slot. 

Now, we shall all experience something that hasn't happened to the Devils in two decades.  A top 5 entry draft pick.  Earlier in the week I had put together my top 9 players I thought the Devils should draft.  Now, with our slot at #4 set in stone, I will offer you a much more detailed mock draft.

After the jump I will speculate on what I think the Edmonton Oilers, Colorado Avalanche and Florida Panthers will do on June 24th and what I think the Devils should and hopefully will do with their 4th selection.  I tried to look at the selections of the teams above the Devils from as many viewpoints as I could without having a day-to-day knowledge of the team's needs/situation.  Items like cap concerns (remember, no bonus cushion next year), organizational depth, and selecting the 'best player available' were all factors that went into my decision.  Can you guess the top 4 before you read ahead?

 

Star-divide

1st Pick on the Clock:

Edmonton Oilers:

Everyone currently has Ryan Nugent-Hopkins going to the Oilers at #1. While Darren Dreger reported the other day that the Oilers might be willing to move the pick, my personal opinion is that they keep it and take Nugent-Hopkins with it. I think Nugent-Hopkins fits a nice long term plan to put together a dynamic forward combination with Taylor Hall, and if he can reach even 75 percent of the potential that experts, like Ken Hitchcock, think he can, he seems to be the no-brainer-for the Oilers-at #1.

Is he the 'right' pick for Edmonton?  I'm not so sure.  As far as other factors are concerned:

Cap Concerns: None.

Organizational Depth: With Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Linus Omark, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, and Ales Hemsky they have a ton of young dynamic offensive players.

Needs: Two-way defenseman, two-way centers.

Who should they take?   Sean Couturier. While RNH could be special, the complete package Couturier offers might make his linemates special.


Would they trade the pick?

Likely, but I don't see a market for it. If you are trading a top 5 pick I would want to stay within 3-5 slots of your original selection. Would Florida move up two spots to take a player? Would Ottawa want to move up from #6?

The consensus for this draft seems to be that there are 7/8 players who could end up being the best player down the road, so why would a team give up additional assets to move up? I just don't see the right mix of buyers and assets for a team to make a play for the #1 pick.

Will they trade it? Probably not.

Who will they take?

The Edmonton Oilers, with the #1 selection in the 2011 NHL Draft ....select Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

I think the potential of RNH will sway the organization’s decision.  It's not a bad pick at all, just perhaps not the best one. Plus, with Steve Tambellini being a seasoned veteran of the lottery process, who am I to question his lottery expertise?


Colorado Avalanche:

If the Avalanche don't select Gabriel Landeskog here I would be shocked. With the trade of Chris Stewart to St. Louis at the trade deadline Landeskog eventually slots into Stewart's old role and seems to be a great compliment on a line with either Paul Stasny or Matt Duchene.

The Avalanche don't have a gaping need at defense as they are deep at both the NHL and in the organization as a whole. Also, if they want to address defense, they have pick #11 to do that. It is likely that defensemen like Ryan Murphy, Duncan Siemens, Jonas Brodin or Nathan Beaulieu might be available at pick #11. Would you rather have one of them and Landeskog or Larsson and a forward like Mika Zibanejad, Mark McNeill or Sven Baertschi? Based upon my reading I take Landeskog and the top defenseman available at pick #11. 

Cap Concerns: None

Orgazational Depth: Top line centers, high potential defenders.

Needs: Talent at either wing positions.

Would they trade the pick? Unlikely

Who should they take? Gabriel Landeskog

Who will they take?

The Colorado Avalanche, with the #2 selection in the 2011 NHL Draft ....select Gabriel Landeskog.

I am actually more certain that Landeskog goes at the #2 than Nugent-Hopkins goes #1. 

Florida Panthers:

 hate the fact that a decision by the Florida Panthers will have a major effect on the future of the Devils. The first two picks I think can easily be agreed upon. The Panthers could throw a monkey wrench into the draft.   The Panthers, now in their second year under Dale Tallon's leadership have a number of needs. Tallon started to address the long rebuilding process with 12 draft picks last year, including 6 in the first two rounds.

Looking at Tallon's draft history in Chicago he seemed to be a proponent of drafting the 'best player available'.  He often picked well in no-brainer spots (Kane, Toews) but seemed to struggle a bit once he had picks outside the top 5.   There were also no trends that I saw from him that would help me determine what the Panthers might do.  I thought that Tallon (as a former defenseman himself) might lean towards defensemen, but there was no evidence of that.  So what do the 'experts' think that the Panthers will do? 

NHL Mock Drafts that were released after the draft lottery have the Panthers making the following selections: 

 

Adam Kimelman has the Panthers taking Sean Couturier.

Steven Hoffner has the Panthers taking Nathan Beaulieu.

Mike Morreale has the Panthers taking Adam Larsson. 

Me?  I think the Panthers bypass Couturier and Larsson and select Saint John Sea Dogs C/F Jonathan Huberdeau.  The Panthers need a player who can put the puck in the net.  Huberdeau has shown that he can do that for the Sea Dogs.  With 43 goals in 67 games this season Huberdeau can finally give the Panthers something they have lacked for years, a dynamic scorer. 

Over at the Bruins Draft Watch site run by the knowledgable Kirk Luedeke he had this to say about Huberdeau a few weeks ago.

Anytime you can add a player who is versatile in terms of being able to be effective at multiple positions and who can both pass and score, most teams will jump on that

On Hubersdeau's NHL.com draft page the QMJHL scout, Chris Bordeleau says:

NHL Central Scouting's Chris Bordeleau
"He's the type of player who can change the outcome of a game suddenly and quickly. He's displayed unbelievably quick hands and an ability to set up and score goals. He definitely has NHL hands and playmaking ability . . . he's also gritty and does not back down when challenged."


Cap Concerns: None

Orgazational Depth: Two way forwards, young defenseman. 

Needs: Playoff Berth.

Would they trade the pick? Unlikely

Who should they take? I think that a case can be made for either  Huberdeau, Larsson or Couturier going to Florida.  Likely in that order.

Who will they take? 

The Florida Panthers, with the #3 selection in the 2011 NHL Draft ....select Jonathan Huberdeau.

Dale Tallon, for all of his free agent fumbles, drafts pretty well.  He would be justified in taking Huberdeau, Larsson, or Couturier.  Adding Larsson to an organization that already has Erik Gudbranson and Dmitry Kulikov would make for a strong blue line. Adding a center with Couturier ‘s size/skill package would also be a smart move.  But the Panthers need scoring.  Looking at the table below you can see that the Panthers have not been higher than 17th in the league in goals per game since 2006-2007.  

 

Year G/G Rank Leading Scorer Goals
2010-2011 2.33 27th David Booth 23
2009-2010 2.46 28th Stephen Weiss 28
2008-2009 2.82 17th David Booth 31
2007-2008 2.57 20th Olli Jokinen 34
2006-2007 2.99 11th Olli Jokinen 39

Huberdeau might offer the best offensive upside of anyone available at this point and I think that the Panthers snatch him up here.

New Jersey Devils:

And now, the team all of you actually care about.  I am not going to do much buildup to the pick, as I think it should be pretty easy:

The New Jersey Devils, with the #4 selection in the 2011 NHL Draft ....select Sean Couturier.

Could Adam Larsson be the pick here?  Sure.  In fact, it was tough for me to bypass a potentially great defensive player for a forward.  I grew up with the core unit of Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermeyer, Ken Daneyko and others being the leaders of the Devils.  Defense was always first.  But I think a pick of Couturier would be best option for the New Jersey Devils. 

Before I go on, I implore you to read the profile Derek Zona did on Couturier a little over a week ago here.  He also had a follow up piece here that talks about concerns that Couturier isn't ‘physical enough'.

First, let me add two quick notes to the work Derek did.  In his article Derek talks about Couturier's success in the faceoff circle with a  54.4% faceoff winning percentage.  One thing I looked at was Couturier's success over the past few years to see how he has developed.  As you can see each year in the QMJHL he has added a ton of faceoffs and he has steadily improved (2%) his winning percentage showing that he is in fact that good at taking faceoffs. 

Fo_medium

Second, while Couturier was only 5th in the QMJHL in scoring remember that he missed 10 games during the year because of the World Junior Championships.  His point per game average (as Derek noted) was 1.66 which was second in the league to Philip-Michael Devos who split the year playing for Gatineau and Victoriaville.  It's important to note the difference in ages of the two players here.  Devos, an overager in the Q was born in April of 1990 while Couturier was born in December of 1992.  So there is a 2 ¾ year difference between the two.

Derek put together quite a compelling argument for Couturier to be the top pick in the draft.  Let me add some fuel to that fire.

1.  His value to Drummondville.

If you want to get a sense of how much Couturier meant to his team when he was playing in the World Junior Championships let me show you. 

During his absence in the regular season, Drummondville averaged a goal less and gave up a goal more without him.  Additionally their special teams play-especially their power play-dropped off a cliff compared with their full season averages. Drummondville was only able to win two games in regulation during this period, one of the wins coming against Baie-Comeau who was the worst team in the Q. 

Missing_medium

2.Plus/Minus Comparison to Huberdeau

One of the things I have read a few times is how people say that Couturier and Huberdeau's stats were similar.  Not true.  Huberdeau, while a great offensive player who I am not trying to take anything away from, had the benefit of playing for the loaded Saint John Sea Dogs.  Was Couturier's +55 more impressive than Huberdeau's +59?  Yes, here is why:

The SJS had a +159 goal differential this year while Drummondville was a +69.  Adjusting for special teams goals for/against the even strength goal differential for SJS was +131 and Drummondville was +46.  Again, not taking anything away from Huberdeau, but how can you not be impressed by Couturier's plus/minus when looking at the adjusted goal differential. 

Goal_diff_medium

3. Scoring in all situations. 

Besides being a main driver behind Drummondville's ES and PP success, Couturier also added 4 goals and 4 assists while the team was shorthanded.  His 8 shorthanded points ranked second in the Q this past season.  The leader had 10 points and played 10 more games than Couturier. 

Bd_medium

4. Scouts' Quotes:

NHL.com:

"At his size, he'll be hard to pass up in the draft. He possesses a very good work ethic and he's out there for every important faceoff. He's very responsible in the defensive aspect of the game -- a rare quality for such a young player in junior hockey."

"Sean has excellent puckhandling and playmaking ability; he sees the ice and reads the play very well . . . He's extremely smart and gets himself into good scoring position. He plays a solid two-way game and is very responsible defensively."

Bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com on his drop in CSS Rankings:

He's simply too big, talented and promising to take a major nosedive as other highly-touted prospects have done in the past. He's not the best skater, but let's be frank: it's not a major flaw and is correctible with some work on mechanics.

One final thing I wanted to point out, as I am sure it may come up a few times in any talks about Couturier before the draft, is the fact that he plays on a home rink that has dimensions of 190X 85 as opposed to the standard 200 X 85.  From his home/road point splits over the past three seasons you can see that there are no drastic differences in his production.  So when you hear someone say ‘Well he played on a shorter rink, which helped to hide his lack of skating ability" remember that his production didn't change from his home/road games.

Splits_medium

And last but certainly not least, a video produced by the QMJHL website in advance of the CHL top prospects game.

But Tom, what about Adam Larsson?

I like what I have read about Adam Larsson.  I wouldn't mind it if the Devils drafted Larsson.  If it was up to me, Couturier is the pick. That said, if Couturier and Nugent-Hopkins are gone I would select Larsson. 

If Larsson, Couturier and Nugent-Hopkins are gone?  Uh-oh (said in the Scooby-Doo voice)

That would be the only time I would listen to offers for the 4th pick.  I see value in Huberdeau or Landeskog but if there is a team (Ottawa?) that wants to move up I think a trade might work for both teams.  The 6th pick in this scenario mean that Landeskog, Huberdeau or defenseman Dougie Hamilton and Nathan Beaulieu would still be available.

I don’t think it will come to that though.  I expect Couturier to be available at #4 with the ‘worst case scenario’ being Larsson. There is agreement among scouts that Couturier might not be an elite player at the NHL level but even if he isn't he will be an NHL player.  I don't really like comparisons, because I feel they unfairly label a player to live up to certain expectations they may not be able to, but since Couturier has said this himself I am OK with him playing the role of Jordan Staal for the Devils.  If that is his future, sign me up.

Bonus Question:

Should the Devils trade up to get Couturier?

I don't think they would have to, but if they got wind that the #2 or #3 pick was up for grabs then I think they should part with one of their second round picks and possible more to secure Couturier.  Now a lot of people probably think that this position seems odd for someone who loves to accumulate picks/prospects. I believe that any good organization, sports or otherwise, succeeds not just by accumulating valuable assets but having the guts to utilize them and possibly overpay for something you really believe in.  If the Devils believe in Couturier and the cost isn't extremely prohibitive than they should do all they can to acquire him.  Even if it takes two additional picks down the road or another asset I would hope the Devils make the push to ensure he is in red and black for years to come.  

That is also why I love being a Devils fan.  We know that if Lou Lamoriello is in position to make a strong move he does it. We also know that if he thinks Dougie Hamilton is the best player available and he can trade down, he will.  Though I think it is unlikely the Devils trade down.  When Lamoriello stated to Tom Gulitti that his scouts would be happy about the lottery win as ‘they (the scouts) get a better player than they would have at 8th, I have a feeling the Devils are keeping the pick.  I for one, hope the pick is Sean Couturier. 

The Rest of The Top 10:

5, New York Islanders-Adam Larsson-D.  The Islanders might be very lucky and land Larsson with their pick which would add to the nucleus of young talent they already have.  Althought Larsson (mainly because of the rankings) seems like the no-brainer here don't count out Dougie Hamilton.  His Niagara team is advancing in the OHL playoffs and he has been playing well.  He might be a late riser and he has been even speculated by some to be the Devils pick at #4.

6. Ottawa Senators-Mika Zibanejad-C.  Not the Landeskog pick Senators Nation wants, but Zibanejad can complement the young wingers the team has and remember the Senators still have pick 15 21, which will allow them to fill the power forward role with a player like Ty Rattie or Tyler Biggs.

7. Atlanta Thrashers-Ryan Strome-C. Great fit for Atlanta as a center who can make things happen on the ice.  If this pick isn't Strome than I am pretty confident it will be another forward as I do not anticipate them taking a defenseman.

8. Columbus Blue Jackets-Dougie Hamilton-D.  If not Hamilton, I can see Beaulieu landing here.

9. Boston Bruins-Nathan Beaulieu-D.  Basically I think the 8/9 picks go Hamilton/Beaulieu it is just a matter of who the Blue Jackets prefer.  Some have put Ryan Murphy here, but I think Boston would go the safer route with a Hamilton/Beaulier.  Plus, there is always the concern that Zdeno Chara could step on Murphy and hurt him.

10. Minnesota Wild-Mark McNeil-C.  This pick could also be Zibanejad if Ottawa doesn't pick him.  It could also be Zach Philips of the Saint John Sea Dogs, giving the Sea Dogs a total of 3 players selected in the top 10 selections of the draft.

Now it's your turn.  Do you think my top 10 is viable?  Is Couturier gone by the time the Devils pick? Like someone I haven't mentioned?  What concerns, if any, do you have about Couturier? Thanks for reading and sound off below!

Comment 67 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Excellent review Tom

It’s great to see all the comparisons for the different players. I too think Couturier will be available for you guys at #4, although people have wild ranging rankings for him (by people, I mean CSS and ISS).

Also, the Sens don’t have pick 15, we have 21 for now depending on playoffs. :P

An Ottawa Senators supporter in Toronto, Ontario. I am cool like that.

by Adnan on Apr 20, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I have had 15 stuck in my head, my bad. Amended. Biggs should still be there though!

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ryan murphy not at the top 10?

by KovyisLove on Apr 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I prefer Beaulieu. Better size, reportedly similar offensive upside. MartysBetter30 may wish I be struck by lightning but Beaulieu might have a better all around game than Larsson.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the Panthers taking Huberdeau over Couturier, but dumber things have happened. I wouldn’t mind taking Landeskog if the ‘unthinkable’ happens – he’d look pretty good on a line with Parise and Zajac in 3 years, no?

Nice writeup. Good illustration of just how good Couturier is.

by Triumph44 on Apr 20, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t know if the Panthers taking Huberdeau over Couturier is “dumb” – I’m sure they’ll have their reasons for doing so. However, I would be mildly surprised if the Cats don’t take Couturier. Every reason cited for why the Devils should take Couturier is equally applicable for the Panthers, and both teams need more scoring and more raw talent at the forward positions.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not dumb, it’s more of a ‘who has the higher ceiling’ pick.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might be biased towards Landeskog. Hard for me to like a guy compared to Mike Richards and plays for a team named the Rangers.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know his skating can be fixed, but that is the most important part of hockey, atleast skill wise, for a player. I wouldn’t mind taking the one way huberdeau only because we don’t really have a scoring only center. But whatever Lou wants is whatever im for.

by KovyisLove on Apr 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Huberdeau plays LW at Saint John right now.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larsson I honestly don’t think Lou will pass up on Larsson if he becomes available. Thus far Lou seemed to draft with a preference to Swedish players due to the staff he has working for him. He always drafts the best available player and in this case I think Larsson is worth more than Couturier.

I’d be happy with either player though, but I don’t think we have as much need for a top centerman as we do for a top defenseman.

by MoonDragn on Apr 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

LL has always drafted the best player available but it’s a bit different scenario drafting 23rd than drafting 4th.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with both MoonDragn and Tom here. But I am convinced our Centers over the course of the next 5 years will be Zajac, Josefson and Henrique, in that order. Where does Courturier fit in?

"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello

by Skuba7 on Apr 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have seen little of Josefson and Henrique was playing LW in the AHL (although the coach said he can easily move back to C at the NHL level), so if all things are equal I am taking the C.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 21, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have seen nothing of Courturier at C in the NHL as well. Knowing that Josefson and Henrique are still seen as top prospect Centers already within our system, it makes me confident that there is where they will play.
On Defense, we have a literal handful of middle-tier prospects and no back-end stud. Larsson could (and so far as we know, should) fill that role.
Of course, Im happy either way, I am in no way knocking Courts, but as an organization, I see Larsson more aptly filling the need.

"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello

by Skuba7 on Apr 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Merill could be a stud…

by KovyisLove on Apr 21, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tom, Great job on this, however I still am leary on why Courturier has dropped so much when he seemed like a lock for a top 2 spot mid-season. Skating, toughness? I remember seeing B. Shanahan in ‘87 during warmups early that year and I came away with the impression that he was a terrible skater so obviously for a bigger player skating may grade out differently and develop slower so when hes 22 he’ll probably look entirely different skating. Its exciting to be this high up in draft position since the last couple of x we got Neids and Guerin so I’m sure LL and staff will get their guy. But my vote is for whoever drops to us Larsson, Courturier or Landeskog as I think only 1 of those will be there @ #4. I could also see a trade back as there seems to be value 4-12.

by 68devils on Apr 20, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

My speculative opinion is that he isn’t dynamic in one area and isn’t a ‘sexy’ top pick. Hard for me to see Huberdeau ranked higher than him considering their accomplishments with their respective teams in the Q.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great writeup. I am so excited for this draft.

Courturier sounds like a potential great player, although I fear there is a small chance he could be a Chad Kilger.

There is enough depth at the top of this draft that we’ll get someone good at #4. Looking over previous drafts, there is always at least one dud taken up high, and we need to hope we don’t land that one. It could be another 15+ years before we draft this high, so I hope we nail it.

From what we know, Courturier and Larsson both seem like great choices, and there is Landeskog and Huberdeau if those two are gone.

1995 - 2000 - 2003

by bergenline on Apr 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Colorado

I had thought previously that Colorado might pick Larsson instead of Landeskog, but you make a good point about them holding the 11th pick. I think they could very well end up with Landeskog at #2 and Duncan Siemens at #11, who would be a nice fit for them as a hard-hitting defensively-oriented defenseman, which they lack among their prospects. It would be a better fit for them than Larsson + Joel Armia/Sven Baertschi.

That said, I’m a firm believer that Landeskog has benefited from a big advantage in physical maturity. The kid is 6’1" and already 200 lbs. Scouts rave about his intangibles but his offensive production in juniors doesn’t come anywhere close to Couturier or Huberdeau. I think #2 is a reach for him and if Colorado traded down he’d still be available at #5 or 6. The Senators have a slew of 2nd round draft picks and the Islanders have a 2nd rounder from Montreal which will be late 2nd round, in addition to their own. I really think a late 2nd round pick would be enough for those teams to jump up to #2.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The QMJHL is a league in which there is pretty much no defense so it is hard to compare based off of statistics. Couturier is also 6"4 and close to 200 pounds. He will definitely be taken in the first 3, although he might not end up being as good as other players in a few season.

by zach parise9 on Apr 20, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The QMJHL is a league in which there is pretty much no defense so it is hard to compare based off of statistics.

That’s not true. The Q isn’t that much different from the OHL or WHL when it comes to projecting NHL talent, as found by Gabe Desjardens at Behind the Net.

Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
In Lou We Trust - The New Jersey Devils SBN Blog

by John Fischer on Apr 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is widely known that QMJHL is definitely inferior to the WHL and to the OHL. Couturier produced at a higher PPG pace than RNH but there is a reason that Sean is ranked 6th and Ryan is 1st.

by zach parise9 on Apr 20, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen the stats but my impression has always been that the WHL produces NHL defensemen at a slightly higher rate, the OHL produces forwards, and the QMJHL produces goalies better than the other leagues.

there is a reason that Sean is ranked 6th and Ryan is 1st.

There’s also a reason why Couturier made the cut for the Canadian World Junior team and Nugent-Hopkins did not. The junior league they play in doesn’t make a difference in either case – it’s what the people evaluating them see on the ice. Don’t forget that Sidney Crosby played in the Q. The fact that he played in the Q didn’t make a single person think he wasn’t worthy to be picked #1.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couturier is more NHL ready than Nugent-Hopkins. But RNH stock has risen while Couturier’s has fallen quite a bit. Most people think that he will be the better player. Crosby is also on a completely different level…he is a once in a generation type of player and he had over 160 points during his draft year as well. I’m not trying to say he shouldn’t be picked based on the league he plays on, just the fact that there are more skilled players than Couturier who just need time to develop which a team like ours can give them due to our lack of cap space anyways.

by zach parise9 on Apr 20, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is widely known that QMJHL is definitely inferior to the WHL and to the OHL.

See my previous comment – it’s not that big of a difference regardless of it’s popular opinion or not.

Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
In Lou We Trust - The New Jersey Devils SBN Blog

by John Fischer on Apr 20, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything the Q might have a few more bad teams than the other leagues, which might skew stats. Same quality as the others though. Don’t know why it gets a bad rap

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t know why it gets a bad rap

IMO it’s because of a few high-profile busts and some not-so-subtle racism. I’ve knocked it before, though, too. It has produced some ridiculously high scorers who couldn’t even cut it at the AHL level, though.

by Triumph44 on Apr 21, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Gatineau Olympiques (who make the mid 90s Devils look like the early 80s Oilers) who let up 15-20 shots per game at times would disagree with you.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couturier to appear on nhl live today at 4

by KovyisLove on Apr 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather have Huberdeau than Couturier. Sean is probably more NHL ready but we don’t need him to step up next season. Huberdeau has been very good in the playoffs and seems like will be better than Couturier offensively. If Larsson was available he would EASILY be my choice. Wouldn’t even think twice.

by zach parise9 on Apr 20, 2011 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Huberdeau has played wing for most of this season. Do the Devils need ANOTHER winger?

In Lou We Trust/Twitter/Cycle Like the Sedins
Then I guess the animals are on their own. Even the cute ones.

by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 21, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could use a RW. I believe Huberdeau is a lefty shot though?

by dr(d)evil on Apr 21, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a natural center, I think he also played center this season too. But off skill I think he is better than Couturier.

by zach parise9 on Apr 21, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve certainly made a good case as to why Couturier would be a good pick BUT you haven’t convinced me as to why he would be preferable to Larsson if both are available. Why do you feel we should go with a center instead of a highly touted Dman like Larsson?

by JoeyV on Apr 20, 2011 7:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think you could make a good case for both Couturier and Larsson. The org. depth at center is very thin, we do have some good young centers though. Our defensive depth isn’t bad but we lack some right handed shots that could help on the PP. In the end I would go with whoever Lou and co. feel is the best available forward. We’ve done a good job at drafting solid defensemen late in the draft so I feel grabbing a forward with this pick would be the smartest move.

by C.J. Richey on Apr 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hold Your Horses

I know the kid is young, but he’s being compared to Nick Lidstom. I know you may say well Alexandre Daigle was compared to Lemieux and he sucks, but Larsson is the realdeal

by Marty's Better #30 on Apr 20, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Larsson is the real deal based on what? If he was the real deal and is compared to Lidstrom, he’d be the unquestioned number one pick.

Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
In Lou We Trust - The New Jersey Devils SBN Blog

by John Fischer on Apr 20, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is ranked #2 so he isn’t far off. I’d say if you are the #2 prospect you are pretty good.

by zach parise9 on Apr 20, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m getting so tired of hearing about the Lidstrom comparison. Nik Lidstrom is one of the best defensemen of all time. No one thinks Larsson will actually be as good as Lidstrom, or else he’d be hyped the way Crosby was in 2005.

Scouts say Nugent-Hopkins has “Gretzky-like vision”. Does that mean he’ll rack up the numbers that Gretzky did? Of course not. People said that might be possible when Crosby was drafted. No one is implying that is a possibility for Nugent-Hopkins.

When scouts say Larsson reminds them of Lidstrom, it’s a statement that they think he’s a very good Swedish defensemen who is steady and smart with his game. That’s it. They don’t mean to say he’ll win six consecutive Norris trophies.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually love reading articles by analyst who said Hedman was (back in 09) a better pick than Tavares or Duchene and now claim Larsson is better than Hedman was in 09 AND that RNH is the top pick. So RNH better than Tavares/Duchene? Really.

If you wanted to have a 45 second drinking game, it would be to do a shot everytime the NHL 2011 Draft Telecast compares Larsson to Lidstrom or Hedman.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. Everyone playing the game draws straws to determine a drafting order. Everyone then “drafts” a prospect. Every time an analyst makes an outlandish comparison of that prospect to an NHL legend, the prospect’s “owner” drinks. Sounds like an excellent game.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it, let’s do it

"Don't worry about my Cap." - Lou Lamoriello

by Skuba7 on Apr 21, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I worded that wrong. From watching him in the World Juniors, and getting some footage from him playing in Sweden, and listening to what scouts say, I think he is the real deal.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is compared to The Great One. He is Number 1
Adam Larsson is compared to Lidstom, he is Number 2, but he may fall to us based on teams needs.

By the way, good end of the season review last weekend, enjoyed it, good speculation on coaching and Parise.

by Marty's Better #30 on Apr 20, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couturier is the real deal based on what? Nothing

by KovyisLove on Apr 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one said he was the ‘real deal’ I don’t think anyone, even RNH, would qualify as that yet.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said I feel Larsson is the real deal. Based on nothing yet, since he hasn’t touched NHL ice yet, but he’s got talent, Don’t think he will be a bust, Don’t think he willl be Nick Lidstrom, but feel you can build around this kid.

I could be wrong, but we won’t know till 15-20 years down the road.

by Marty's Better #30 on Apr 20, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m starting to go really back and forth in my head on who I’d like to see the Devils draft. I’m just gonna trust Lou and Conte.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 20, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I have went back and forth numerous times. I will take the center, but would be happy with the defenseman. Either way its a great addition to the system

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and I don’t think there’s any doubt that, as Lou said, picking fourth gives a chance at better players than picking eighth. It’s a nice position to be in, to be debating Couturier vs Larsson vs Landeskog vs Huberdeau.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs. hopkins… we can all hope okay?

by KovyisLove on Apr 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no idea how talented any of these propsects are, from RNH, to Court, and Larsson. If i had to guess Court sounds like the next Arnott, while Larsson sounds like he might be a s. neidemeyer or rafalski. If i had to choose i’d go with the latter, because he seems like the kind of guy who can skate the puck out of the defensive zone, or make a tape to tape zone from end to end, end that kind of passing would be paramount on our uber crappy PP. That’s just my 2 cents. Unless Lou has something else up his sleeve like pick up court, and trade for a kaberle (or bring back rafalksi )

by poros all star on Apr 20, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

in addition

i wanted to add this about not rushing our draft pick into the NHL due to salary cap issues. How is it that we’re so salary cap limited when detroit is stacked and has no salary cap issues? LIke detroit’s been stacked since the forever. what gives?

by poros all star on Apr 20, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

They won’t be, after next season their entire D corps’ contracts expire. So they won’t be stacked very soon.

In Lou We Trust/Twitter/Cycle Like the Sedins
Then I guess the animals are on their own. Even the cute ones.

by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 21, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

sweet I think lou should help them free up some cap space by taking rafalksi or lindstrom (or both?!) off their hands…aaa wishful thinking

by poros all star on Apr 21, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They did a great job of drafting and developing in the 2000s, far better than the Devils fared. Their stars (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom) are homegrown, as are their most important support cast members (Franzen, Flippula, Hudler, Cleary, Holmstrom, Draper, Kronwall, Howard). They don’t rush their kids so when they do play in the NHL, they’re able to chip in despite limited roles (Helm, Abdelkader, Miller).

And then, the free agent veterans they pick up are signed to low-risk one-year <$2M type contracts (Bertuzzi, Modano), not like Rolston and Zubrus. And they can get away with this because they’re not desperate to plug holes with the free agents, the free agents are desperate to play for a good team like Detroit. The one risk they took on a free agent was Brian Rafalski, and though he gets paid a ton, he’s been critical to their success. The other key guy they’ve acquired from another team was Brad Stuart, who was a deadline acquisition who subsequently re-signed with the team.

For the Wings, all starts with great drafting and great patience…

by dr(d)evil on Apr 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Up

I know that the fourth pick will land us a great prospect, but I keep thinking about this. We could trade up to secure the top center/ defenseman most of us feel we need. We could even shed some cap space by trading Zubrus or my unicorn trades Rolston or Clarkson.

Personally, unless we can get some cap space I think we should keep the number 4 pick. Whomever we pick at number 4 will most likely fill a hole on the roster and the second half of the season proved this is still a strong team.

by hockeykid304 on Apr 21, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

The only player I see trading up for is RNH…other than that there isn’t a point. It is possible Larsson could fall to us but if he doesn’t there is still Huberdeau or Couturier.

by zach parise9 on Apr 21, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to get a sense of how much Couturier meant to his team when he was playing in the World Junior Championships let me show you.

Even in defeat, Couturier was carrying the team on offense:

Couturier accounted for 21.8% of all of Drummondville’s scoring chances,

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Apr 21, 2011 2:06 AM EDT reply actions  

%Cont

His percentage of offense is off of the charts and his ES scoring per game is ridiculous as well.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/15/2092297/2011-NHL-Draft-Prospects-chl-update

However, those numbers also bring Ryan Strome to the fore.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

With the #1 pick who does Derek Zona take?

I am going to attempt (when I have a chance) to break down the ES scoring by opponent too. Heck it might be available via the Q archive stat site. And say what you want about the Q, but their stat access is phenomenal.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the #1 pick who does Derek Zona take?

Larsson, but I’m biased

My approach to team-building has always been like Lorne Molleken’s game plan – “from our end out”. If I were a general manager, my main hobby would be collecting defensemen – I’d have them stashed in the AHL, European Leagues, the NCAA, even the ECHL. An organization can never have enough defensemen, and if there comes a time when a team does have too many, there is always a market for defensemen. Always. When it comes to player procurement, ceteris paribus, I take the defenseman.

And say what you want about the Q, but their stat access is phenomenal.

Comparatively phenomenal, yes. But still not great overall. I’m also doing some stuff on the Q stats shortly.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Apr 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well Maybe Tallon gets itchy and tries to trade up for RNH.

Yes, that is what I meant. Does the OHL even have shot totals for offensive players yet? I also enjoy the Q’s made up stats like ‘Dangerous Shots’. As if there is a bear behind the player ready to attack him after the shot is released.

In Lou We Trust: SBN Blog of the New Jersey Devils

by Tom Stivali on Apr 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting article on Larsson, Derek. What is known about Larsson’s injury issues? I don’t know whether to take that as a positive or negative – early injuries are not a good sign (and groin and shoulder injuries tend to recur), but the kid is playing against men and has the determination to play through pain – and be an ice time leader for his team.

by dr(d)evil on Apr 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever happens, happens. Sorry to be fatalistic about it, but I really don’t see the point in speculating who Lou and Co are going to pick. We all have our preferences and it makes for some good conversation, but the fact is we’re getting a top 5 talent into the organization soon. Even in a supposedly lesser draft year, I’m thrilled we’ve gotten that chance.

Should we draft a potential cornerstone D-man, great. A defensively responsible centre with a good amount of offensive upside? Great. A pure scoring centre? Great. I’m happy any way.

However, I will throw my two cents in, however hypocritical that seems. I’m a big proponent of building from the defense out. It leads to an improved offense if you have d-men who can move the puck well. Larsson seems to be that guy who can lead by example and, if I were in that position, I’d pick him in a heartbeat over anyone else.

by skly27 on Apr 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

My question is, do the Devils hire a coach before the draft? Are there any new names being floated around?

by eyerish9299 on Apr 21, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about the New Jersey Devils! New here? Check out the Rules and Guidelines before posting.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

The_official_web_site___new_jersey_devils_small
FOR THE LOVE OF THE DEVILS...PLEASE DON'T SELL YOUR TICKETS TO RANGERS FANS

Recent FanPosts

Small
Games Played in the Conference Playoffs: A History Lesson
Small
Line Changes...Again
Small
Cup or Bust?
31519_397927484582_78722009582_3938348_414926_n_small
Question for you NJ natives.
Claude_small
Post your press conference question(s) for John Tortorella here.
Pig_face_small
Mar-ty, Hen-ke
Small
Top Secret Agent or Cranky Middle Aged Man?
Small
Karma, and Pucks, and Chips Oh My,
Small
No Blue Campaign -- Tickets for Sale
Small
On Shot Blocking

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

joomla visitors

Managers

Stanley_cup_and_you_-_sbn_small John Fischer

Authors

Puddy_small Tom Stivali

Marty_sbetter_small Matthew Ventolo

Zidlickymania_small Kevin Sellathamby

1729_small Matt Evans SNC