Praising Patrik Elias: Positive Possession Machine for the New Jersey Devils
Patrik Elias had an very effective 2010-2011. On a New Jersey Devils team that was in the tank when it came to shooting percentage, usually in between Brian Rolston and Dainius Zubrus, Elias compiled 21 goals and 41 assists last season to lead the team in scoring. He faced tough competition in the process, played in all situations, and continued to show that he remains one of the team's most skilled players at 34 years of age. As such, we at ILWT named him the team's most valuable player and best defensive forward.
Elias continued his good work at the IIHF World Championships. He was arguably the best Devil in the tournament by the IIHF's stats. In 9 games with the Czech Republic, he put up 4 goals (one behind Jaromir Jagr and team leader Tomas Plekanec), racked up 5 assists (one behind Roman Cervenka, the team leader), fired 28 shots on net (tied with Jagr for the team lead), and did it all with an average of 15:05 per game. All of this and a bronze medal for the Czechs finishing third in the tourney. That's very good work for both club and country in this past season.
The production is all well and good on it's own. But did you know that Elias is even more impressive when you look at what he does in terms of possession? To find out, please continue reading after the jump.
For over a decade, Elias has been quite good for New Jersey and Devils fans certainly appreciate the work of #26. While he's not getting any younger, he has yet to really decline in his career. As evidence, take a quick peek at Elias' underlying numbers at evens in the last four seasons at Behind the Net. You should come to the same basic conclusion as I did: Elias has been a positive possession machine. It's absolutely remarkable. His unadjusted on-ice Corsi rate has been just fantastic: 19.71, 12.26, 7.50, and 14.09 in his most recent season. When he's on the ice, good things have usually happened for New Jersey.
To put those four values in perspective, here's the on-ice Corsi of every single Devils player at evens in the last four seasons per Behind the Net. (Aside: Note how high Zach Parise is on that list.) Elias' 2007-08 season is the best full season in Corsi rate by far. Last season's rate is among the best as well. Elias' lowest rate in the last four seasons still sits further ahead of many players.
Also, note that Elias' quality of competition has not been low. Elias has not and will not be the number one left winger or the first line center, but he was not facing and destroying only scrubs in the last four seasons. Past coaches know that Elias isn't just an offensive player with excellent vision or just a possession player to lead and continue attacks. They know he can go up against a team's best players and not only hold his own, but come out ahead. Hopefully, the next head coach of the Devils will understand that and utilize him accordingly.
What can we expect from Elias? Well, in terms of production, he'll probably get something like a 55-70 point season. That has been his range in the last four seasons. It will vary within that range; and said variation will depend on linemates, how hot he does or does not get during the season, how well the power play does or does not do, and how healthy he can remain. That may not be impressive enough for a $6 million cap hit in some people's view. Fair enough. In my eyes, where he earns most of that $6 million is in how he gets the puck going forward when he's active. How the team goes on the attack more when #26 is on the ice, even against good opposing players. It's that two-way play that still makes him an important part of this team.
In my opinion, Elias being such a positive possessive machine has been his most impressive contribution to the team. Elias will be 35 in this coming season and we can only hope he still has enough of the proverbial gas in the tank to keep this kind of performance up. If he can, the Devils will be an even better team in 2011-12.
Are you as impressed by Elias' possession stats in the last four seasons at even strength? Do you agree it's been his most impressive contribution to the team, or do you think it's something else? Do you think he's earning most of that $6 million/year contract? Most importantly, do you think Elias can keep it up for at least one more season? Please leave your answers and other thoughts on Patrik Elias in the comments.
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I always felt that Elias was the heart of this team, even in 08-09 when Parise was on a tear I felt that the MVP was still Elias. He’s a really good player in that he makes the players around him better, which is something that is extremely valuable, and even more valuable when you consider hes playing Center for the team. I do believe Elias is worth the money he is paid and the contract wouldn’t look as bad without the other bad contracts that have players under performing at best…
I’ve always been a huge fan of Elias. I think he is a borderline HOFer. Sound crazy?
Puck Prospectus.com has him listed 103rd all-time in GVT, and that was last year so he may have moved up a couple of spots and he still has a few years to play. (BTW, look who he is just ahead of, our old pal and Hall of Famer Jacques Lemair.)
http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=108
I’ll admit that he is short in awards, all-star appearences and total scoring that you like to see from a HOFer but that hasn’t been all his fault. The Devils are a low key orginazation in that regard.
Oops!
I hadn’t looked at the spreadsheet in a while. They updated it for last season. Elias has moved up to #97.
Other rankings of interest on that spreadsheet
- Wayne Gretzky
- Raymond Bourque
- Gordie Howe
- Tony Esposito – The highest ranking goalie? Really?
+++++++ - Martin Broduer
- Scott Stevens
- Larry Robinson
- Brendan Shanahan
- Doug Gilmore
- Joe Nieuwendyk
- Scott Niedermayer
- Glenn Resch
That last post changed my numbers after I hit post! What’s going on?!?!
Anyway, check out the spreadsheet, it’s interesting.
I…don’t know. I’m pretty sure the GVT highest rated goalies are Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek anyway. But yeah, check out the link.
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by John Fischer on May 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The link is a year old (Note the 5/18/10 date) but the spreadsheet has been updated. I know because I have the old spreadsheet saved on my hard drive.
The update includes this past season but also there must have been a change to the formula or calculations or something. For example, Gordie Howe was #2 in the old list but now he is ranked #3.
BTW, you may want to avert your eyes from Broduer’s ‘’10/’11 GVT.
I’ve always been a huge fan of Elias. I think he is a borderline HOFer. Sound crazy?
It’s not completely out of left field, but I don’t think he’d be seriously in the discussion just yet. If he can give you another three or four solid years, you’d have a better argument, because the statistics would look nicer. Right now, his raw numbers aren’t quite what you’d look for in an HOFer — 335 goals and 816 points. Some of the peripherals will certainly help his case: a three-time Olympian, two Stanley Cups, former Captain of the Devils, even an appearance on the all-NHL first team (the only Devils forward ever to make it there). I just think he needs to get to 1000 points, however, and probably even close to 400 goals if he’s going to get over the top.
The other thing I could see holding him back is the “reputation” of the Devils. It’s a team that is known for its stifling defense, even though they had the best offense in the League about a decade ago and Elias was the offensive leader of that club.
400 goals, 1000 points?
Dave Andreychuk 640 / 1338
Bernie Nicholls 475 / 1209
Joe Nieuwendyk 564 / 1126
Pat Verbeek 522 /1063
Pierre Turgeon 515 / 1327
Bernie Nicholls 475 / 1209
Alexander Mogilny 473 / 1032
Theoren Fleury 455 / 1088
Doug Gilmour 450 / 1414
Steve Larmer 441 / 1012
Vincent Damphousse 432 / 1205
Dave Taylor 431 / 1069
Brian Propp 425 / 1004
Guess what else all these players have in common. That’s right, not in the HOF (and eligible). Patrik would likely need a few totally awesome seasons to get HOF numbers. Yes the peripherals will help, but there are enough great players ahead of him that aren’t in the club.
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Wow. That’s one heck of a list, and I didn’t realize it was quite as lengthy or dotted with such talent. I think that blows a Humvee-sized hole in my 400/1000 argument.
At the same time, I think a number of those players will make the HoF at some point, and probably not even a distant point in the future. It still won’t change the fact that 400/1000 isn’t a sure thing…. but I think at 400/1000, you’ll at least get Elias into the discussion. Maybe not very far into it, mind you, but you’d have a better argument than 300/800.
elias is quite possibly a better player than all of those guys save gilmour and taylor. he won’t get into the hall of fame, but i wonder what the hall is going to do in 10 years when players from this era are reaching HOF eligibility.
They really need to increase the allowable number of players/players the voters can vote for. They’re still using the same numbers as when there were 21 teams in the league, maybe 7 should be the limit rather than 5.
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How come the Devil’s defensive reputation hurts him? It’s harder to pile up ‘raw’ numbers when playing in a strict defensive system. Isn’t that part of the reason we even use a term like ‘raw numbers’?
He’s a terrific 2-way player hence he was a part of the Devils defense.
Because some might consider it difficult to separate his defensive statistics from the Devils’ reputation for being able to ice a strong team defense seemingly regardless of who was playing.
If what they normally look for isn’t there and the argument for him requires ancillary evidence like his defensive acumen to support his case, the team he’s played for might doubly hurt his chances—once for probably limiting his career offensive output with their style of play, but also by being relatively successful with a plug-and-play system that could still succeed even with Mike Mottau playing big minutes in front of Scott Clemmensen.
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I don’t buy the ‘plug & play’ argument, or inter-changable parts or the trap or any other verbiage that minimizes the talent level that the Devils generally have over the years.
Be that as it may, it is the reputation the Devils bear and might affect voter’s opinions on Elias’ eligibility.
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