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Why the New Jersey Devils Should Hold On to the 4th Overall Pick

On the right, an example of how a successful first round pick can really benefit a team.  In the middle, an example of a late round pick turning out well enough and adding to the team's depth.  On the left, a ref. In the back, happy fans.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

I do not want to see the fourth overall pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft traded.  Not to fill a short term need.  If the Devils do so, then I believe they are throwing away more than just the potential of an 18-year old player - but their best chance to develop the next great Devil player.

Take a look at the draft history of the Devils at HockeyDB and you'll see several "lean" years over the last decade across the whole draft class.  It wasn't very good from 1999 through 2005.   But what has been consistent is that they've done fairly well with past first round picks since 2000.  David Hale (2000) made into the NHL for a good amount of time; Niclas Bergfors (2005) is plying his trade in the NHL as well but elsewhere (by way of being part of the deal that first brought Ilya Kovalchuk to New Jersey); and I don't think I need to explain how well Zach Parise (2003) and Travis Zajac (2004) have turned out as players.  Throw in the more-reasonable hopes for Jacob Josefson (2009) and Mattias Tedenby (2008), and the Devils' track record nothing to sneeze at. The only busts since 2000 were Adrian Foster and possibly Matt Corrente, and Corrente has at least got some games in the NHL and may yet to turn out be a player - here or elsewhere.  

Mainly, the Devils have been good in the first round and now the scouts will get their highest pick in 19 years to add a fantastic prospect that list of first rounders. That potential, in my view, is too valuable to give up for a player or another pick or prospect. I explain my viewpoint further after the jump.

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Let us be reminded that the main benefit in having a high draft pick in any draft is that you have the opportunity to select from a larger pool of prospects than other teams.   Regardless of whether you feel the best player available is a defenseman, winger, or center; the real possibility of the Devils having to decide between Sean Couturier, Adam Larsson, Gabriel Landeskog, and Jonathan Huberdeau (among others) is simply wonderful just for their potential.  These are not project guys or long shots who need several years before they can get a taste of the NHL.  These are not players projected to be third line forwards or depth defensemen at best. These are some great prospects and a case can be made for selecting any of them.

Think beyond the player itself and think of what a first round pick can yield for a team in general.  A player who has the good fortune, talent, and development to reach their potential can fill in important roles for a team for years to come.  And at fourth overall, the Devils will still be selecting among the prime prospects available this year.

Travis Zajac is a good example of how hitting a first round pick can be very good for a team.  While not a high first rounder at 20th overall in 2004, Zajac has become the team's first choice at center in recent seasons. Here are his Corsi and quality of competition numbers at even strength from Behind the Net.  He's very good possession player, he's strong on faceoffs, he can and will play in all situations, and he has handled tough competition and came out ahead in the past.   I don't know about you, but to me, that's a first line center and a good one, at that.  Clearly, Zajac turned out to be a very successful draft pick.

Since the Devils have been able to re-sign Zajac (and at a reasonable cap hit), that's one less question mark for the team, one less spot on the roster to fill in, and one less team need that has to otherwise be addressed by hoping someone possibly not qualified for the spot can be thrown in there to do the job or overpaying an unrestricted free agent to take the role.  Especially a role as important as being the team's top center.

New Jersey is in the unique position of allowing whoever they draft the time to develop.  Namely because they really can't afford the potential cap hit that comes with a fourth overall pick.  At the same time, the Devils don't really have too many open roster spots that would be waiting for a defenseman or a forward.   This is less pressure on the draftee, who can just focus on just getting better in this coming season.   It also fits the standard practice of the Devils when it comes to prospects: to be patient and give them a chance when they are truly ready.   By then, perhaps the Devils would really need that draftee to take on an area of need.  Or the Devils can trade someone with the draftee as the heir apparent for the position. 

The main point is that the Devils can get a player who could be very good, and thus very important, for the Devils in the near future and they don't have to rush him into the league right away.    It's not a common situation for this franchise, who did have a playoff streak running from 1996-97 through 2009-10 and won two Stanley Cups within that run streak.   The Devils will have their highest pick in the draft since that 1996 playoff miss, and their first in the top five since 1991 (Scott Niedermayer turned out OK, didn't he?).  New Jersey should hold onto this pick and select an ace prospect.  They may not turn into the next (insert former Devils great), but they don't have to do that - they just need to be a great player in their own right.   That alone would make the most out of the pick.  Such a prospect would be much more to the team in the long run than what they could get in a trade, and a lot easier to do it at #4 than at a lower spot in the first round.

(As for the rest of the draft, if the Devils can hit on a few of those late round picks even just as depth players, then that would be fantastic.  If only to cut down on the number of free agents they need for the bottom ends of the roster.)

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I can’t believe this needs an explanation. I know there are a few fans who have suggested packaging the pick to help facilitate a salary dump trade, but they are clearly in the minority.

by SonicJoe on May 23, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don’t we owe either this year’s or next year’s 1st round pick for the Kovy incident?

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by nymetsfan1226 on May 23, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Devils have to forfeit one first round pick either this year (not happening), next year, 2013, or 2014.

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by John Fischer on May 23, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Never say never

It’s possible some team could offer LL a deal he can’t refuse. But if it’s a trade for equel value I would prefer to just keep the pick.

by Bobby V on May 23, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

#4 picks since 2005

I think you may have heard of some of these guys.

2005: Benoit Pouliot – Left Wing – MTL – 183 GP, 37 G, 35 A
2006: Nicklas Backstrom – Center – WSH – 323 87 236
2007: Thomas Hickey – Defenseman – LAK – No NHL experience
2008: Alex Pietrangelo – Defenseman – STL – 96 12 34
2009: Evander Kane – Left Wing – ATL – 139 33 36

Sounds like it should be a keeper!

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by FrankG929 on May 23, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

“I don’t know about you, but to me, that’s a first line center and a good one, at that.”
Is that some kind of a joke…Oh please tell me that is a joke. Either that or you are a pretty big homer. Not trying to be a jerk or anything but Zajac is no first line center on most teams in the NHL. I’d say he is a 2nd line center. Just so happens he has chemistry with Zach Parise, clearly without him he isn’t anywhere near as good just like Langenbrunner. Many teams have 2 centers that are better than Zajac so I wouldn’t even call him “a good one”. Just finding that very hard to believe for a player with a career high of 67 points and is coming off 40 something point year.

Don’t get me wrong he is a fantastic player for a 20th pick, but I mean the praises he got are a bit far fetched.

by zach parise9 on May 23, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

One question. Define a number one center. You can’t

Is it one who scores 80- and above points, but is a liabillity on defense. Or is it one who scores 60-65 points, but excels at the defensive game such as a Travis Zajac.

Johnny Toews has never hit the 80 point mark, and has a career high of around 70 points. All numbers close to or around Zajac’s respective numbers.. Is he not a number one center? Considering he’s had more offensively inept players-Byfuglien, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, the list goes on and on.

This year, most of the Devils roster failed in terms of points. Kovalchuck got around 60 points. He averages 80 and above. So does this mean he is a “number two” left wing.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 23, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering he’s had more offensively inept players-Byfuglien, Kane, Hossa, Sharp

LOL. I believe you meant to say offensively ADEPT players. Andrew Peters is offensively inept.

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by FrankG929 on May 23, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zajac played with Parise and Kovalchuk last year two of the 5 five wingers in the league so I would not even try to argue that point at all.

by zach parise9 on May 23, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mistake. Zajac had a Kovalchuk player who never really found his touch in New Jersey last year.

So really he just had Parise, which is obviously a lot but not like the Hawks offense

by Marty's Better #30 on May 23, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played about 10 games with Zach Parise (torn meniscus edition) and with a Kovy who was lost for about half the season, so lets not blow this out of proportion.

by nyynygnjd on May 23, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toews is definitely a #1 center right now…he won the con smythe last season and was a ppg player this year. Zajac wasn’t nearly any of those obviously. I’m not saying he a bad player, just that I don’t consider him a #1 center on most teams. Yes he is one of the best defensive center but on the top line you should create offence and scoring chances and produce points. 44 points isn’t getting it done. Yeah Kovalchuk is a number two left wing on the devils when we have a healthy team….Obviously he is a top guy but he is proven.

by zach parise9 on May 23, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that some kind of a joke…Oh please tell me that is a joke. Either that or you are a pretty big homer. Not trying to be a jerk or anything but Zajac is no first line center on most teams in the NHL. I’d say he is a 2nd line center. Just so happens he has chemistry with Zach Parise, clearly without him he isn’t anywhere near as good just like Langenbrunner. Many teams have 2 centers that are better than Zajac so I wouldn’t even call him "a good one". Just finding that very hard to believe for a player with a career high of 67 points and is coming off 40 something point year.

Well, let me repeat my explanation again, Zajac has played against and succeeded against tough competition, comes out ahead in possession even when with Nick Palmieri (a rookie) and Ilya Kovalchuk (never has been a possession player) were his wings, plays in all situations, and often plays big minutes.

Fine, he’s not a super scorer. That’s not what defines who is or is not a first line center.

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by John Fischer on May 23, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

15th highest scoring center in the past few seasons. One could argue that is a decent cutoff for defining a #1 center if you look only at points. Ties are involved pretty much every season, but nhl.com’s scoring ranking for centers only for the player listed at #15:

2010-11: 66
2009-10: 70
2008-09: 73
2007-08: 72
2006-07: 77
2005-06: 77

Where would 80 points be each of those seasons?

2005-06: 12
2006-07: 13
2007-08: 10
2008-09: 10
2009-10: 8
2010-11: 3 Yes, that’s right THIRD. OK, let’s say Crosby plays the whole year, still makes it 4th best in the league.

65-70 points is becoming the norm for all but the best of the best #1 centers.

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by FrankG929 on May 23, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Parise on his side Zajac should definitely hit the 65 point mark.

by KovyisLove on May 23, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not trying to define his role I’m just stating my opinion that I don’t think that he would be a #1 center on most teams. You said he is a #1 center and a good one…that to me means he is one of the best in the league and I’d say that is far from the truth. I’m not content with a #1 center that can put up 40-70 points depending on whether Parise is healthy. I’d be fine with him centering a line featuring Zach as is LW but just think we need someone that can set up Kovalchuk and be a true #1 offensive guy at center.

by zach parise9 on May 23, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re not trying to define his role, you’re just sure he’s not a #1 center on most teams. Got it.

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by John Fischer on May 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are there better offensive centers?

Of course. I guess what you are saying is he is not a #1 offensive center. I think you are entirely neglecting his value elsewhere on the ice, though. I also think you are putting too much stock in this year’s point total. Should we assume that Kovalchuk is a 60 point player now?

by nyynygnjd on May 23, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he is valuable but that doesn’t equal being a #1 center. Would you say John Madden was a # 2 center when he was here? He was very valuable but still doesn’t mean he was a 2nd line center. I just think that if you are a number 1 center you should be able to produce more than Zajac does in the offensive zone. Zajac is good all around but lacks the offense most #1 centers have around the league.

by zach parise9 on May 24, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s absolutely absurd. You need to learn the difference between a first line center and an elite center.

by Zelepukin on May 24, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

John said that Zajac is a very good number #1 center I would say that is saying he is an elite center.

by zach parise9 on May 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This pretty much looks like I hate the guy but I don’t…I like him as a player but I just think he isn’t as good as some of you think he is. Typically around the league good first line centers are those that have a high level of offensive production. Yes Zajac is great defensively but that doesn’t make him a good first line center. There I’m done thats my opinion if you don’t agree or don’t like it I can’t do anything about that.

by zach parise9 on May 24, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it appears that we will have to agree to disagree. Zajac IMO is a very solid #1 center because with him on the ice, the Devils will likely be controlling the puck, even against tough competition. As you have said, his offensive limitations currently hold him back from being an elite center, though.

If the Devils were to somehow acquire an elite scoring center (not happening this year at the NHL level), I don’t think you’ll see anyone complaining here. I think Zajac would make an incredible #2 center. For instance, if the Devils draft Couturier and he develops into something special, I think we could all get on board with a Couturier-Zajac 1-2 punch.

by nyynygnjd on May 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it isn’t. a #1 center and elite center are most definitely not the same thing. There are few elite centers in the league to begin with.

by Zelepukin on May 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

If there were more elite players, by definition, they wouldn’t be elite.

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by elesias on May 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Nice piece. I have always felt the Devils would and should keep this pick, but if Vancouver offered us Cody Hodgston and Corey Schieneder for this pick, we should consider it heavily.

Cody Hodgston is a former 10th overall pick from the 2008 draft. The kid has a high ceiling for potential, though injuries have surely taken it’s toll throughout his career. I believe he could be a top two center on this hockey team in the future.

Corey Schiender is a young, great goalie. From what I’ve seen of him this year in Vancouver, he has the tools and potential to be a number one goalie in this league. I realize we have three goalie prospects in Kinkaid, Wedgewood, Clermont,but I don’t feel thse guys can carry the load in the future. I know it is early, premature to say that considering their 19,20, but from what I’ve seen of them, I don’t see them being number one goalies.

Schieder could be our future potential goaltender.

But like I said in the beginning, I feel we will be at the podium when the fourth overall pick rolls around.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 23, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

IF your trying to make a case, spell the name right. My fault folks.

Cory Schneider is proper spelling.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 23, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless someone’s offering Hossa, Ovechkin, Crosby, Tavares, or Abdelkader (ok that last one isn’t for real he just has the coolest name ever), i’m not interested. Especially for what you mentioned, Hodgston has had injuries, that’s too much of a liability especially considering your giving your #4 overall pick, and Schneider is gettable with out having to give up a top 5 first round pick, in my opinion anyway…

by poros all star on May 24, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

 If the right deal is out there pull the trigger. Teams that annually draft in top ten seem to stay mired in that position for years to come unless your getting the top 1 or 2 players from that class. I wouldn’t want to move out of top 12 but unless your really high on one of these guys more than a myriad of several others Devs should not be afraid to move the #4 pick if it addresses one of several needs including moving salary.

Hamilton, Murphy, Beauleau, Hurbedeau, Strome, Phillips, They’re all just name to me and why couldn’t they go #4 instead of whos projected by the experts. The best player from last years draft in my opinion was Jeff Skinner taken #7 and he was projected only @ #30. I’m not saying he’ll have the better carreer then Taylor Hall or Seguin but we’re not drafting in the 1 or 2 slot. If theres a deal worth moving back several spots then there is no reason to cling to the #4 spot.

by 68devils on May 24, 2011 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d say after the top 8 the talent level drops off significantly. Phillips is projected to go later on in the last 3rd of the 1st round, Beauleu could be top 15. The other names you named I would be fine with either of them.

by zach parise9 on May 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The players taken 3-4-5 last year (Gudbranson, Johansen, Niederreiter) are no slouches. And though Skinner was low on the CSS final list, which is published needlessly early, it was well known that Skinner’s draft stock skyrocketed late last year.

The fact that drafting prospects depends a lot on luck is precisely why there aren’t a whole lot of draft day trades involving top-10 picks. Teams aren’t willing to give up much to move up in the draft. If the Devils slide from, say, #4 to #6 they might only get a 3rd rounder plus in return. I doubt the Senators would want to give up a 2nd round pick unless it’s a player they had #1 or #2 on their board (say, if Larsson falls past #3). But say the Sens want Couturier – they might be content to see if he falls to them at 6 or they might be happy to pick up a Hamilton or a Huberdeau at #6. So why should they part with an asset as valuable as a 2nd rd pick to move up 2 spots? And on the flip side, should the Devils be content with a third-round pick in exchange for losing some control over who they draft?

I think #4 is a MUCH better drafting position than where we were at #8. I think there is a drop-off after the top 8 or so as well, and so if you’re picking at 8 then you’re getting the leftovers of the top tier and at the mercy of what the other teams chose to leave behind.

by dr(d)evil on May 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, it’s a given that drafting 18 year olds is a crapshoot but your odds do go up on a big hit the higher your positioned. I was @ Rocky Trottier’s big moment when he was awarded a penalty shot against EDM in the Devs early stages and I don’t even remember if he scored or not and whether it was Andy Moog or Fuhr; talking about busts.

Anyway, What if OTT calls and wants our #4 for Jason Spezza and is willing to facilitate said deal by taking Rolston and Josefson. Here’s our #1 center for Kovy we’ve made some room for him by dealing Rolston, given away a nice prospect but still unclear of his full potential that is probably 2-3 years away. I’d have to make that deal or at least entertain the structure of it to make it happen.

by 68devils on May 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Spezza is a tremendously skilled player and I think some of the criticism directed toward him is a bit unfair. That said, he has a hefty cap hit for four more years and having three forwards (Spezza, Kovy, and Parise) at or near $7M puts the team into a tough cap situation. The cap space we gain by being rid of Rolston next summer should be used to upgrade our D, not on another high-priced forward. It’s $20M per year invested into 3 forwards. On the other hand, if Ottawa calls to talk a trade for Erik Karlsson I’d be much more interested, but of course he’s just about the only untouchable on that team.

I’d be very happy taking a forward with that #4 pick and looking at a future where the forward corps is built around Parise, Kovy, Zajac, Josefson, Tedenby, and that #4. I think that will be a very nice mix of experience and youth in a couple of years. Parise, Kovy, and Zajac are fully developed and still in their late 20s. Josefson and Tedenby are just over 20 yrs old, 5 yrs behind them in development. The #4 is just 18 yrs old now.

If you trade Josefson and the #4 for Spezza, you’ve got Parise, Kovy, Spezza, Zajac all around 27 yrs old +/- 1 yr right now. They might be a very good foursome but they’re all being paid top dollar and the only legit scoring forward you have still developing is Tedenby. And then when those four get into their 30s their production will start declining together and they’re still earning big money, but we’ve got no one to inherit the mantle and step up their production.

Having several players come into their prime all at once might be a recipe for a team that’s very, very good for a year or two. But it’s not good for long-term success.

by dr(d)evil on May 24, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Hit The Spot Right There.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 24, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. The #4 pick and Josefsson for an overpaid, overrated and oft injured center.

by Zelepukin on May 24, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not convinced about building the Devs w/ Kovy and Parise on same team. As far as cap goes long term Elias is coming off in 2013 and for this year you’d be adding 2M but I’m thinking Devs and ZP won’t get a long term deal done and I’m guessing this could get messy with feelings being hurt and ZP might only be here short term until hes eventually dealt.

I think ZP could fetch us a lot more than the #4 pick could so the DEvs can address their biggest need on defense with him.

by 68devils on May 25, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would Rolston want to go to Ottawa? still that NTC

by NJDOhio on May 24, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of the writers (Tom or John maybe? I can’t remember.) outlined the sharp drop-off in the value of picks as you slide down in the draft. I poked around in the archives but couldn’t find it. I showed a rundown on how quickly the chances of getting a “solid NHL player” drop as the picks get farther down.

by nyynygnjd on May 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right Now No Way

But if at the draft there is a desperate team willing to deal you might be overwhelmed to move the pick.

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by Tom Stivali on May 24, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

who r we going 2 draft? I’ve watched highlight videos of all the guys and I think we need Sean Courtier. He will add a forward that can score and that can throw the body around. i also think we should trade david clarkson to boston + ? for someone maybe tyler seguin. David’s playing style is exactly what they want

by ALECDK on May 24, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ignoring whatever that David Clarkson/Tyler Seguin insanity was at the end of your comment, I think most people in these parts think the draft pick will either be Adam Larsson or Couturier; basically whichever one falls to us at #4. If both of them are taken, it gets a little more cloudy with Gabriel Landeskog, Johnathan Huberdeau, and Dougie Hamilton being among the possibilities.

I am personally in agreement with you on Couturier (as are many others); he’s a big forward with a really good skill set that definitely has the potential to be a great player. I’d be very happy if that’s who they come away with.

by nyynygnjd on May 24, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said david clarkson and someone else….

by ALECDK on May 24, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re gonna need to find a pretty serious someone else to make that one work. Boston just drafted Seguin at #2 last year, he ain’t going anywhere

by nyynygnjd on May 24, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the Devils have ANY “someone else” to make a a swap for Tyler Seguin work…. and they certainly don’t have someone that would make it work with the inclusion of Clarkson. Lest one forgets, Boston already has salary cap difficulties in the present sense. This year, they gave away Marco Sturm for nothing because they simply had no room for him under the cap. For next year, CapGeek reports they’re committed to $52.2 million in salary cap for only 18 players, leaving $7-10 million for the remaining five guys.

While Seguin’s cap number is all the way up just above $3.5 million, my guess is many Bruins fans (plus management) would consider that a bargain. There’s no way they trade him for a third-liner with a bloated contract and something else, even Zach Parise (who would then have to be signed to a sizable contract to retain his services). Maybe if you threw in the #4 pick as well, as your sweetener…. but there’s no reason to do that.

Going back to the original question of “Who are we going to draft”, I think it comes down to two things. The first question is who is still on the board, because I wouldn’t rule out a team in the Top 3 trading down if they receive an offer they deem suitable. Second is whether Lou stays with the fourth pick or trades down himself. Either way, it isn’t something particularly within LL’s control.

by acasser on May 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Seguin is a great player… unless that blank is parise i don’t think boston even thinks about it.

by KovyisLove on May 24, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG, I got it!!!!!!

Clarkson, Rolston and a 3rd rounder for Chara and Seguin!!!!!

by Zelepukin on May 24, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

For other readers who aren’t good at catching it, let me note this was a SARCASTIC remark from Zelepukin.

by Marty's Better #30 on May 25, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have found the next GM of New Jersey.

by zach parise9 on May 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need to let him be GM of Boston first so we can pull off that trade then hire him after the Bruins fire him for making that trade.

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by FrankG929 on May 25, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good plan…Bettman might get suspicious tho. Worth a shot!

by zach parise9 on May 25, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What we need is Johnathan Huberdeau. The guy is a better playmaker than Couturier and can skate better as well. He seems like a very hard working player, which will translate to his defensive game hopefully being strong as well. Couturier might be better defensively but other than size I think that is all Sean is up at. Huberdeau setting of Kovy in 2-3 years will make Ilya back to a 50 goal scorer. Huberdeau has the speed to get the puck in the zone and dish off to Kovy off the rush…Couturier seems more like a dump and chase which is not what we need playing with Kovalchuk. And yeah I’ll pretend I did not hear that David Clarkson/Tyler Seguin thing too lol.

by zach parise9 on May 25, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

is huberdeau going to play right wing with kovalchuk? because he’s not a center in the q, and he won’t be a center in the nhl.

by Triumph44 on May 25, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is listed as a center and I heard somewhere his coach saying he would have no problem playing center. I’m sure he has played center for majority of his playing time in juniors except this season so it won’t be a huge transition. I don’t know how you would know that he won’t be a center in the NHL.

by zach parise9 on May 25, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess i can say it the same way you can call huberdeau a better playmaker even though he plays wing and he puts up similar assist numbers even though he plays on a way better team than does couturier.

by Triumph44 on May 26, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats aren’t everything…you guys look at the stats and assume Couturier is the better player when that is not true. You can look at it and say Couturier gets more ice time to score. Huberdeau may benefit from a stacked team but he is leading his team. Watching them as players Huberdeau is ranked higher right now for a reason and a lot of scouts would agree with this.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats aren’t everything…you guys look at the stats and assume Couturier is the better player when that is not true.

If it’s true, wouldn’t the stats bear this out in some way?

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by John Fischer on May 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright man I don’t care you want to base everything off of stats okay do it. Couturier is the better player because of his stats. Thing is though him dominating doesn’t mean he will in the NHL. He is has NHL size unlike a slimmer and smaller Huberdeau. I’m sure if you talked to someone who has sources or is a scout they would say stats aren’t everything but hey what do I know you are a blogger after all.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

quite right

Wayne Gretzky was huge. (/sarcasm)

Size doesn’t always matter.

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by FrankG929 on May 26, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

couturier is the better player by just about every stat. couturier also kills a ton of penalties which huberdeau does not.

by Triumph44 on May 26, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he has better stats. That doesn’t mean he is the better player, but I have already explained.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t explain anything.

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by John Fischer on May 26, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve already said that stats don’t translate to success at the NHL level. But I guess you don’t understand that…not my problem.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats don't tell everything

but ignore them at your own peril. Looking at nothing but the numbers can be dangerous but the same goes for “trusting your eyes,” so to speak. Especially when chances are all you’ve seen are highlight videos (unless you are a big Sea Dogs fan and watch all of their games, which I suspect is not the case).

Couturier’s numbers may not translate to the NHL level; it’s entirely possible he is able put up those numbers based on his size and inferior competition. For all we know his skating woes could be exposed at the NHL level and he won’t be able to compensate anymore with his other tools. At the same time, Huberdeau may be able to skate circles around some of the competition in the Q, but what happens when his slight frame starts getting crunched into the boards by NHL defensemen? Plus, good teams can hide a lot of a player’s flaws and he is on a stacked team.

The reality is that the two are close to one another in value. At best, one has a slight edge, and at worst, it’s a toss-up. CSS likes Huberdeau and ISS likes Couturier, so it’s not like the scouts are all behind one or the other either. For anyone to say they know either of them is definitively better is silly as even the professionals are split on them.

I personally like Couturier better, but if the Devils take Huberdeau, am I gonna grab my torch and pitchfork and round up a posse to go burn down the Prudential Center? No. I’ll save that for four years from now if things don’t work out and I have hindsight on my side.

by nyynygnjd on May 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said ignore them. Most mock drafts have Huberdeau going before Couturier… and there is probably a reason for it.

by zach parise9 on May 27, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure the Couturier skating “issue” is something completely minor that will be gone in due time. You have to understand he’s been the projected top overall pick for a long time which means scouts were watching him for a long time. I’m sure that it’s almost like one scouts said it and all the others followed with oh god, the kid can’t skate well.

by KovyisLove on May 26, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

When drafting a center for Kovalchuk to play with I’d say skating is very important. Couturier lacks the speed and balance Huberdeau has. Speed off the rush is important and Huberdeau can provide along with great playmaking skills. Huberdeau has franchise player potential. Couturier is a safer pick could be a 2nd line center possible 1st. I just see Huberdeau as the guy with more potential. And yeah I’m so sure one scout said that and the rest just decided to listen because that makes sense.

I’m just saying Huberdeau is the guy that the team and your boy will benefit from the most.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would the devils be drafting a player to play with kovalchuk?

by Triumph44 on May 26, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were drafting a center why not…Assuming Parise plays with Zajac. If we are drafting a guy 4th overall he should be top line material and Huberdeau would be. And of course Kovalchuk would play with him in 2 or so years.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

these are all assumptions. like i have said, it’s a huge assumption to think that huberdeau will even make it as a center in the NHL.

by Triumph44 on May 26, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really at all. He has played center other than this year. If he is given time to adjust if needed it shouldn’t be a problem.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah okay, it shouldn’t be a problem. you say so, and his coach, who i’m sure is going to trash his best player publicly by saying he’s incapable of playing center, says so, but curiously doesn’t play him there.

do you know how many players have been drafted as centers and have ended up on the wing? many of the NHL’s best wingers. it’s very uncommon for players to do the reverse.

by Triumph44 on May 26, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s an even huger assumption to look at a 17 or 18 year old player and project them to play with Ilya Kovalchuk some day.

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by John Fischer on May 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we draft a center who do you honestly think he is going to play with in a few seasons. I’m not saying as an 18 year old. In all likelihood the center would be playing with Kovalchuk in a few seasons if they pan out. Zajac should and probably will play with Parise. At 4th overall these are guys who are projected 1st liners/1 pairing players in the future so I don’t think it is that out of line.

by zach parise9 on May 26, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is to say the Devils draft a center? Who is to say the kid will be in the NHL in a few years? Who is to say he’ll be good enough to be in consideration for Kovalchuk’s centerman? Who is to say what the rest of the roster looks like by then?

There is a mother lode of “ifs” in your scenario. Sure, many of them aren’t particularly likely, but all it takes is one longshot to throw all your calculations out the window. What if Parise leaves the Devils this year or next? What if Lou trades Travis Zajac? When you look at the Devils, Zajac may be their biggest trade chip outside of Zach Parise right now. What if Parise and Zajac don’t recapture their magic together? What if the new coach decides the team is better off with those two split?

In any event, the Devils shouldn’t be drafting based on “we need to fill such-and-such a need”. Unless you’re anticipating the draftee will be part of your team next season — and I consider this an unlikely scenario at best given the composition of the roster and the cap hit such a high draftee carries — you draft “best player available” and let the roster take care of itself. If that means drafting another left wing and having a ton of depth, so be it. You can always trade from a position of strength and depth to address other, more immediate needs.

by acasser on May 26, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roughly 693 hours to go.

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