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Good News for the Devils: 2011-12 NHL Salary Cap Ceiling Projected at $64 Million

The big news today comes right from TSN: The NHL salary cap is projected to have a ceiling of $64 million for the 2011-12 season.  Here's the relevant bit, proving that you don't need a lot of words to get to the point:

With the National Hockey League Entry Draft less than a week away and the potential for trades escalating this week and next with the free agency period looming, the salary cap will be going up by nearly $5 million next season.

Clubs and agents are being told next year's salary cap will be set at an upper limit of $64 million with a floor of $48 million.

This is excellent news for several teams, including the team we all love, the New Jersey Devils. Teams who were close to the cap ceiling last season and have some important decisions to make in this coming offseason now have some relief.   The increase of $4.6 million in the cap ceiling is breathing room for the teams at the top to offer their RFAs good deals and maybe dip their toes in the unrestricted free agent market.  Only those clubs with owners who can't (or won't) spend $48 million on their roster hate this news. Thankfully for us, Jeff isn't one of those owners.

Over a month ago, I looked at how difficult the Devils' salary cap situation looked when it came to just retaining their restricted free agents.  Now that it appears the salary cap will see a massive increase, let's take another look at the Devils' situation with this new number after the jump.

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Caveats

Before continuing, I should emphasize that $64 million is a projection.  The salary cap is not set in stone just yet.  Given the source, I'm comfortable playing with that number now.  However, Tom Gulitti did tweet that the NHLPA still has to sign off on the numbers to make it official and that won't happen until next week.   It could change; though, I'm sure a different number will be communicated to agents and other clubs before that happens given that we're close to free agency as it is.   

Also, Gulitti also tweeted that that there won't be any bonus cushion in 2011-12 since the CBA expires after this coming season.   Any bonuses will be a part of their cap hit. This won't affect the Devils too much, though.  Only one player on the books has a bonus and it's Nick Palmieri at a whopping $240,000.

At $64 Million, A Look at the Devils' Cap Situation for This Summer

As of right now at CapGeek, the Devils have 11 forwards, 5 defensemen, 1 goaltender, and 2 dead cap-hits from buyouts on the books plus $240,000 in bonuses.  This is a total cap hit of $52,417,500.  With a $64 million ceiling, the Devils will have $11,582,000 in cap space to retain restricted free agents, sign other players (e.g. a goaltender), and call up players from Albany.

Back in May, I went over the basic requirements for qualifying restricted free agents and how much that will run the Devils. The Devils have 6 of them on their NHL roster and 4 on their AHL roster.   In the original post, I focused on just the 6 NHL players.  To stay consistent, I'll stick with talking about Vladimir Zharkov, Anssi Salmela, Matt Taormina, Mark Fraser, Matt Corrente, and Zach Parise.  Their combined minimum qualifying offers would be $8,129,500.   With the new salary cap projection, the Devils will have $3,453,000 left over.   While it means the Devils won't be major players in the offseason, that's still plenty of space to have for call ups and smaller signings - like a backup goaltender.

Of course, the Devils aren't going to be able to sign all 6 players at their minimum qualifying offer. Zach Parise is not taking a $5 million salary unless he's incredibly more generous than most would expect.   The other RFAs might even want a bump in pay too.  It won't look like too much, I'd be surprised if any of them carry seven-figure cap hits after this summer; but it does add up towards a salary cap, and the Devils can't get too freewheeling with their cap space.  Fortunately, with their RFAs, the Devils have enough forwards and defensemen as-is and only need to sign a back-up goaltender (minimum salary: $525,000) to have a full roster.  They don't have to dip into the UFA market to get bodies for 2011-12.

The biggest factor is Parise. How much is budgeted for him will factor into the other decisions Lou has to make in the near future.   If Parise's signed to a Kovalchuk-esque cap hit ($6.7 million), then that's $4,882,500 for everyone else.  If it's more than that, such as $7.6 million, then there's only $3,982,500 for everyone else, which must include signing a back-up goaltender.   While Lou and Parise's agents have time to negotiate a deal without the risk of an offer sheet, the Devils are limited in how much they can sign him for and Parise's people either know that or will figure that out when other players get qualified and/or signed.  Therefore, the Devils really don't have a lot of space because a majority of it will go to Parise - and it should since he's one of the team's top players.

Since the original post, I've come around to the notion that the Devils aren't likely going to retain all of their RFAs.  Parise is a must, and I anticipate Zharkov stays as a useful fourth liner; both would mean 13 forwards for New Jersey.  The issue's at the blueline.  Even if they had boatloads of cap space, there's no need to have 4 depth defensemen on the roster with 5 signed defensemen. Especially if you look at the near future which will include Alexander Urbom, Eric Gelinas, Brandon Burlon, and Joe Sova in the minors.  I anticipate that some of them will just be cut loose in this offseason, which means more roster spots and some cap savings.

Basically, it's great for the Devils if the salary cap ceiling will be $64 million.  But when I say it's breathing room, it's just that.  Most of this $11.582 million in cap space will go to Zach Parise and the other RFAs.  While they nearly have a full roster as-is, the Devils will still have to go cheap elsewhere (as they should for a backup goalie), and cut ties with a few players anyway.  While they'll have more space overall, I'm still hesitant on whether the Devils can re-sign Andy Greene and make all of these other internal moves.  I'm sympathetic to what user dr(d)evil wrote in this FanPost, but I don't think they're going to be in the race to sign Ian White (who isn't taking anything less than $3 million on the open market) or other "name" UFA defensemen this summer. 

Since the draft is coming up, please recall that the average fourth overall pick is about a $2.3 million cap hit.  Sure, the Devils can now try to squeeze whoever they select into the NHL with a higher cap ceiling; but it's going to make fitting everyone else into the roster while staying under the cap more difficult.  It's still in New Jersey's best interest to keep their top draft pick out of the league for at least a season for cap reasons, roster reasons (where would you play the guy?), long-term reasons (why burn 2 years of the ELC now?), and developmental reasons (whoever is picked is still an 18-year old kid, let them grow at their own pace before throwing them into the NHL).

It would still be in New Jersey's interest to make more space available if they can; they'll pretty much have to if they want to get someone from this summer's Free Agent Frenzy or maybe to just keep Greene on top of their RFAs.  I still have a hunch they'll make a move or two just to clear up some cap space.   That's how I see the Devils situation cap-wise.  There's relief with a $64 million cap, but let's not get crazy and think the Devils have a lot of space available.  Tough decisions will still need to be made by Lou this summer.

How do you see the Devils' cap situation given the possibility of a $64 million ceiling?  Do you think the Devils need to make space or do you prefer for them to just deal with what they have until 2012?  What do you think they'll do this summer in general? Please leave your answers and other thoughts on the potentially higher salary cap in the comments. Thanks to Skuba7 and CameronM89 for FanShotting the news this morning, dr(d)evil for writing a FanPost about it, and you for reading this post.

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Is that Cap geek expectation with Salvador counted in it? If it is counted with him then that’s a possible extra 2.9 million dollars to play with. Salvador not playing can most likely help the team more than hurt it next season.

by KovyisLove on Jun 20, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Salvador’s included and he’s on the books through the summer. So even if he’s put on LTIR, that has to wait until September when camp begins.

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by John Fischer on Jun 20, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging from Lou’s last comment regarding Salvador which painted a very different picture than what has been coming out of Salvador’s camp I’m leaning towards the team looking to eventually place him on LTIR. But who knows?

by Zelepukin on Jun 20, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

right, but there’s also a summer cap, so why aren’t you going by the summer cap instead?

point being, salvador missed the entire season and hasn’t been cleared to play yet. until i hear otherwise, i am assuming he will not be healthy for training camp.

by Triumph44 on Jun 20, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because using that allowed 10% over the cap is only temporary and will put the Devils in another difficult self-created problem come September when camp begins. I don’t want to go that far.

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by John Fischer on Jun 20, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make a trade

I still think they should make some kind of a trade to clear up some more cap space. Its just nice to have a little more wiggle room.

by maliky on Jun 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

" It’s still in New Jersey’s best interest to keep their top draft pick out of the league for at least a season for cap reasons, roster reasons (where would you play the guy?), long-term reasons (why burn 2 years of the ELC now?"
what does ELC mean? I understand how their may not be a spot for them because of the players on our team now so will he play in the AHL or to juniors again (or the SEL if its Adam Larsson)

by ALECDK on Jun 20, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

ELC stands for entry level contract. It’s the first contract that a majority of rookies sign with a NHL team.

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by John Fischer on Jun 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about teams that will be under the salary cap floor? Like Florida, do you think that they might want to pick up Rolston via trade so they can reach the cap floor? It would only be a 1 year fix as he will be a UFA next summer. That would really help out the devils cap situation.

by CameronM89 on Jun 20, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would the Panthers just want to take Rolston off of ours hands? Talon is no fool. It would take much more for the Panther to take on salary. I would assume that Philly is burning Talon’s phone line offering junk contracts.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they are $30 million under the cap floor…. maybe that is why they would want to take on salary. They wont be signing $30 million worth of free agents this summer i will tell you that much.

by CameronM89 on Jun 20, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be realistic here. Rolston is not the type of player Florida is looking for. Talon wants young fast or power players. They do not need over the hill wingers.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they need to hit the cap floor. One player who eats up $5 million so they can spend the rest on young, fast, or power players would be valuable to them.

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by John Fischer on Jun 20, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish that you guys are right. However, what would you expect back from the Panthers? They are hording draft picks like it is gold. You also will not get a younger player back. Plus we will be in competiton with other teams with cap issues.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the devils would realistically care what they got. 2nd or 3rd round pick.

by NJDOhio on Jun 20, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no chance on a 2nd. I was thinking more on the lines of a forth or fifth

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by joshd12 on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

please tell me where talon will be getting $30 million worth of young fast or power players? really tell me, im curious.

by CameronM89 on Jun 20, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not a GM but they probably will overpay to keep some of their own free agents like Samsonov. He had a good run here and could get a large one yer deal that he would not get anywhere else. I have heard they would be real interested in Versteeg and there would be a number of other free agents Talon could go after without having to give up anything.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we would have had a better chance of moving salary to Florida if those idiots Jacques Martin or Mike Keenan were still here.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

God I feel bad for Versteeg. I think he’s a quality player and usually an asset to whatever team he’s on but my god does he keep getting shuffled off from team to team to team.

Good enough that most teams wouldn’t mind his addition, not good enough that they wouldn’t hesitate to throw him in a trade if need be.

by Zelepukin on Jun 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

His $3.1M salary was both a boon and a hindrance to his success as an NHL’er.

by Skuba7 on Jun 21, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’d gladly take Clarkson off our hands, that’s for sure.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

They might, but Rolston has a NTC and probably won’t waive it to wile away his final contract year playing for a team with no realistic shot at winning anything but a lottery pick.

Stranger things have happened, but I’m not holding my breath.

I think Rolston will be put through waivers again at some point this season or traded near the deadline. If he has a bad season and no one wants him, the good news is that this is his final year.

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by elesias on Jun 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Cap Floor Also Rises, Does that Open the Door for a Salary Dump?

Just as the Salary Cap rises to $64 million it looks like the Salary Floor is going to be $48 million. That means teams near the bottom of the salary scale are going to have to spend more money to reach the minimum payroll. Florida in particular will have to spend approximately $30 million to reach the floor. Maybe that would potentially make them more open to trading for a contract that expires after this year like Rolston or Salvador or a player who is overpaid such as Zubrus or Clarkson, all of whom John and the gang have written about before on this site.

I’m not holding my breath but even moving one of these contracts would go along way towards helping with locking up Zach, allowing them to re-sign Andy Greene, and bring in a decent back-up goalie.

by Elias_Express on Jun 20, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Being a Devils fan and living in South Florida I can tell you thst it will not be easy to just pawn off bad contracts to the Panthers even if they only have one year left on them. I would think that Talon would be much more interested in Versteeg from Philly than Rolston from us. I really do not see how Florida would do this even with big cap needs.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the South Florida perspective. Do you think the Panthers would have any interest in Clarkson? He’s only 27, has shown some offensive upside (until falling off a cliff this year), and has a feisty edge to his play. His cap hit isn’t an albatross for Florida to swallow at 2.67 million.

As a Devils fan I’d hate to lose Clarky but at his cap hit he’s gotta be considered expendable to us. I think we need to free up enough space to sign Andy Greene for the next several years as a bridge towards our developing young defensemen and this would help.

by Elias_Express on Jun 20, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams at the cap floor can pick up better players from other teams than Rolston. Dumping a guy like Clarkson might be more realistic – still young with potential, significant but not outrageous salary.

Shockingly, the Rangers will probably have better luck trading Drury now than the Devils with Rolston. Drury has a $7M hit, but is owed just $5M in the upcoming season. Rolston is also owed $5M but only gets the teams $5M closer to the cap floor.

by dr(d)evil on Jun 20, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the example

but the fact Drury has an injury that stops him from being bought out by the Rangers, therefore less desirable.

by Skuba7 on Jun 20, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rangers cannot trade drury.

by Triumph44 on Jun 20, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every team wants to dump their trash on FLA/NYI/PHX right now.

Ain’t going to happen.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do not know how hard it is here living in South Florida and being a hockey fan. I miss living in New Jersey and going to the Devils games. I do have season tickets for the Panthers so I do have some perspective on this and have been to many townhall type meetings held by Talon.

I think Clarkson would be more realistic than Rolston. A bold play moght be to swap first round picks and throw in Clarkson and maybe a later round pick. I am not so sure if it would make any difference to Florida if they pick 3 or 4. THis would give the Devils the player they want and FLorida would get the player they want to draft and a usable younger player.

by FL ELKs on Jun 20, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very interesting prospect as far as a trade is concerned. If Florida sees value in David Clarkson as a player, and the Devils and Panthers work a gentleman’s agreement to select Players A and B, respectively, maybe this could work.

by Skuba7 on Jun 20, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing to consider....

…. Florida is not the only team that has to add a significant amount of salary to reach the floor. Per CapGeek, there are nineteen teams below the $48 million mark as of this morning (Detroit moved above it with the Lidstrom signing), and there are still nine teams that are more than $10 million below that level.

While Florida has the furthest to go in order to make the cap floor, they aren’t the only team that has to add substantial salary. If Florida’s asking price to take on contracts is too high, GMs who need to dump salary have other potential buyers that they can go to. If Tallon overplays his hand, he could end up with nothing and be forced to spend stupid money on the free agent market just to reach the required number.

by acasser on Jun 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Many of these teams will make up that gap by signing their RFAs, bringing in high draft picks, or signing needed UFAs. The only other teams I think have a legit shot at not hitting the floor are the Islanders and Avalanche.

by Triumph44 on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florida trades for Rolston

then buys him out, getting stuck with his cap hit of over $5M and only paying a portion of that amount in real cash.

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by FrankG929 on Jun 21, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would sign Jamie Langenbrunner….oh wait LOL

by NJDOhio on Jun 20, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok seriously. If I was GM:

Zach Parise – Sign
Andy Greene – Try and Sign
Vladimir Zharkov – Sign
Matt Taormina – Sign
Anssi Salmela – Only sign maybe if I don’t sign Greene

Mark Fraser – Let go
Matt Corrente – Let go

Then I would try and move Zubrus (I just don’t see what he does that Steckel doesn’t do)

If I move Zubrus then I want to keep Rolston (One year left he still is a decent player and honestly who would replace him)

Clarkson I keep period again who would replace him?

Other then that I think I stand on what I have. Specially with Salvador up on the air. If Salvador is off the books. Maybe, I look to sign a player that could help offensively. Defensman, Forward doesn’t matter.

by NJDOhio on Jun 20, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Then I would try and move Zubrus (I just don’t see what he does that Steckel doesn’t do)

Are you out of your mind? Besides being a faceoff specialist and having cement laden skates what does Steckel do that you’ve somehow decided he’s as good as Zubrus?

Zubrus while he doesn’t score enough to warrant his salary can play in all situations without being a liability. He is ferocious around the boards and while he may not light the lamp he does create space for his linemates to score.

by Zelepukin on Jun 20, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not downing what Zubrus can do. I just want to move his salary and because I think he has some up side someone might actually want him.

He is ferocious around the boards and while he may not light the lamp he does create space for his linemates to score.

Honestly you can say this about a lot of guys. But the bottom line is what he does can probably be replaced easily. Maybe Steckel wasn’t that great a comparison. But my thinking was. Well Zubrus is versatile. He can play Center. Well we have Steckel at a third his salary.

So no. I am not out of my mind.

by NJDOhio on Jun 21, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Who replaces everything Zubrus does?

by Zelepukin on Jun 21, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steckel and Zubrus are completely different players. Zubrus is expendable if you use his cap space to make an upgrade in other areas, but Steckel is far from being able to fill his shoes. The players who might fill Zubrus’ third line role would be Clarkson and perhaps Henrique. Steckel is best suited to being a faceoff specialist given fourth line minutes.

by dr(d)evil on Jun 21, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything he does? What exactly is everything?

Palmieri, Clarkson, Tedenby are all younger, cheaper and fill his offensive production role now.

Steckel can fill his faceoff role.

Is he a Defensive stud or something?

Other then his experience which would be hard to replace. I’m asking you now, What does he do that we could not replace easily?

by NJDOhio on Jun 21, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a bull on the puck like none of those players you name are. Think back to some of the most amazing displays of cycling and puck possession that eventually led to goals the team has had over the past few years and he was a part of almost all of them.

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by elesias on Jun 22, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU!

As I said do you guys actually watch games and What Zubrus is doing? Yes he doesn’t score that often but his work away from the puck and occasionally with it has lead to countless NJ goals. He’s also responsible, a decent faceoff guy and a HUGE body with decent skating abilities. And he’s not just a 3rd liner. Sure he may put up points like a 3rd liner but he can easily slide into a top six and thrive mostly by creating space for his two other linemates.

You really think one dimensional guys like Steckel and Clarkson are going to replace what he brings? You’re out of your minds. I also guarantee that if Zubrus counted for one million less against the cap than he does EVERYONE would be singing his praises for his versatility and what he means to the roster.

by Zelepukin on Jun 22, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dainius Zubrus is all of that, and there isn’t another player on the Devils (that I have seen) that can replace all of that. However, here’s my problem with Zubrus and why I’ve wanted to see him traded for nearly four years: he has a tendency to disappear for extended stretches, whether that’s a period or a game or a month at a time. He’ll have a performance or three that reminds you of just how great he can be and why he was picked in the middle of the first round back in 1996…. and then he’ll do nothing for a while.

If Zubrus were making roughly half his cap hit, he’d be a great player compared to his salary ($2.5 million would be pushing it too far, in my book). However, we can say that about a lot of the aging veterans on this New Jersey Devils franchise.

For all the intangibles that Zubrus brings, for all the ways he contributes that don’t easily represent themselves on a scoresheet…. Zubrus doesn’t put the puck in the net, he doesn’t really put up a ton of points, and he’s been virtually invisible in both respects come playoff time.

And he’s not just a 3rd liner. Sure he may put up points like a 3rd liner but he can easily slide into a top six and thrive mostly by creating space for his two other linemates.

My opinion is that he’s a very marginal Top Six forward. He can do everything that you state he can do, but he’s not the kind of guy you really want there on a regular basis — he just doesn’t score enough to justify that. His two best offensive seasons came when he was centering for Alex Ovechkin…. and players in the Ovechkin tier of talent tend to inflate the numbers of everyone who skates with them. The Devils are better off if Zubrus is playing a third-line role, whether that is a checking line situation or putting him out against weaker competition he can dominate.

….

While the following is cherry-picking particular statistics at its finest to make Zubrus look his worst — so admitted ahead of time to defuse the complaints that I’m trying to run down his value (I freely admit I don’t particularly like the guy or want him on this team) — these are your Fun Facts™ for the day:

1. Dainius Zubrus has NEVER scored more NHL goals in a single season than has Brian Rolston.

2. Dainius Zubrus has scored more NHL points than has Brian Rolston once in the last decade.

by acasser on Jun 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, that’s terrific. except that rolston makes 33% more than zubrus, so the comparison of rolston to zubrus is silly.

by Triumph44 on Jun 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone is arguing that the guy is worth his salary or that he’s not replaceable… just that what he contributes away from the puck and toward things not included on score sheets like puck possession, etc., are overlooked by some when they just look at his goal totals and conclude that someone already in the system like Tedenby or Clarkson can easily fill his role.

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by elesias on Jun 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do watch the games. I don’t need stat sheets to tell me how well a player is playing. When I lived in NJ I watched all the games. Now out here in Ohio I’ve seen about 70% of them.

He is everything you said. No doubt. I am actually a fan of him because of the way he plays. Yes I remember all the hard working plays and cycles that led to goals. I also remember the ones that don’t…and they don’t more then I think they should.

He is a 2nd or 3rd line wing who is going to get you 15 goals. and Yes a million less I wouldn’t feel the same way. But since he is one of the few players on the team that could actually be traded. That is the only reason if I was GM. I would try and move him over Clarkson or Rolston.

You know two years ago everyone was signing Clarksons praises. Now it seem people have a different opinion. Maybe I am over estimating him.

by NJDOhio on Jun 22, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question then is, if you trade him, who fills his role? That, of course, begs the question; “is his role necessary” but that’s neither here nor there.

There is no one else on the team who’s NHL ready who can do what he does, which is the point. His scoring can be made up, no doubt, but what about the rest? Unless the team transitions from a puck possession style to more of a run-and-gun or transition style, his contributions are valuable. It’d be great if he would score more, and if we had someone that could do what he does AND score more, he becomes redundant, but that isn’t the case.

I would try and move him over Clarkson or Rolston.

All three have bad contracts for what they provide. Of the three I feel he’s the best value and would trade either of those other two first. Ideally they’d all get moved and better, cheaper players would be brought in, but things rarely work out in the ideal way.

You know two years ago everyone was signing Clarksons praises.

Two years ago he was new and showing signs of being ready to break out and be a great player. Despite our hopes and his apparent potential, he’s never gotten over that proverbial hump and his play has leveled out into what we can probably expect for the rest of his career… which is to say unworthy of his salary.

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by elesias on Jun 23, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is no one else on the team who’s NHL ready who can do what he does, which is the point.

No one yet on the team with Zubrus’s experience. That is the only thing that couldn’t be replaced.

Despite our hopes and his apparent potential, he’s never gotten over that proverbial hump and his play has leveled out into what we can probably expect for the rest of his career

I see last year differently. No he didn’t full fill hopes. But no one on the team did. As I said below in another post. I think this year. Hopefully the team funk is gone and Its this year Clarkson could possibly reach his potential.

by NJDOhio on Jun 23, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather move Clarkson before Zubrus. Clarkson doesn’t really fit with the team anymore- he’s not a top 6 forward, he’s not a guy that can take tough competition like Rolston and he’s more or less a 4th liner with two special teamers. I’d rather cut him loose seeing as he’s making way too much to be a 4th liner.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 20, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is 6 years younger then Zubrus and produces almost as much if not equal. Playing on the 3rd and 4th lines. He doesn’t have the assists. But that is probably because he plays with 3rd and 4th line players and no PP time.

Is he making to much as a 4th liner sure. But I still see 20+ goal potential and I don’t think he has been really given the ice time. Honestly on this team Zubrus is a 3rd liner and Probably Clarkson as well.

He missed half a season two years ago and last year…well was a down year for everyone on the team. He is 27 going into the prime hockey playing days and I just wouldn’t give up on a guy who looks like he can put the puck in the net regularly. Plus he likes to throw the gloves at times to. Which does fill a team need if you ask me.

by NJDOhio on Jun 21, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you actually watched Clarkson and Zubrus play the past few years are you basing this entirely on their stat lines?

by Zelepukin on Jun 21, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clarkson’s lack of assists and position on the third and fourth lines has little to do with opportunity. The guy simply doesn’t have the vision or hockey sense to find his teammates in the right spot at the right time. It’s a waste to put him out there with skilled linemates because he doesn’t know how to utilize them. He could pot 20 goals in a season given the ice time and a injury-free season, but it would come at a cost of rendering his linemates less effective. The team wants to play a puck possession game, and Clarkson fits better in a counterattacking scheme. I’d be happy to trade him.

by dr(d)evil on Jun 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you talked to the new coach? How do you know how the teams going to play?

Considering the team isn’t deep with people who can actually put puck in the net. Regardless of what system they run. Why would you be happy to trade someone who is young and has shown flashes of possibly being able to score regularly?

Maybe your right and he doesn’t fit.

by NJDOhio on Jun 22, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you think I don’t watch the games?

by NJDOhio on Jun 22, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

because when clarkson’s not falling down he’s pushing the puck right into the goalie’s crest from 30 feet out.

by Triumph44 on Jun 22, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like bad shot quality…..

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by Tom Stivali on Jun 22, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And yet in the two years before this, clarkson had a well above average s% on.

by Triumph44 on Jun 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watch about 70% of the games. and I remember more of Clarkson burying the puck in the back of the net when he gets a good chance more so then not.

Unlike
What I remember of Zubrus. As someone who works hard for the puck in and around the net. Gets lots of chances but they don’t result in goals.

by NJDOhio on Jun 22, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe I’m about to do this, but I’m going to defend Dainius Zubrus here (and at the expense of David Clarkson).

One thing that Clarkson does and Zubrus does not is provide you with a huge volume of shots. Over his NHL career, Clarkson has averaged roughly 2 SOG/game, whereas Zubrus is usually closer to 1.5 SOG/game (a major exception is Zubrus’ days with Ovechkin, when the number was above 2.0/game). There are a lot of ways to interpret this and what it means, but I’ll pull another number out of the stat logs to explain my perception: Zubrus has a consistently good shooting percentage (hasn’t been below 10% since the late ‘90s) while Clarkson’s numbers have bounced up and down along with his goal-scoring numbers.

What does this all mean to me, when I combine it with watching the team play? Clarkson has a tendency to shoot early and often. Zubrus is often using his size and strength to initiate plays and do some of those things that don’t readily show up on a stat sheet, but he doesn’t actually think “shoot first, last, and always”. The shooting percentages imply that Zubrus is either in the right position at the right time a lot or generates for himself higher-quality chances that are more likely to end up in the back of the net.

There’s a place in the game for volume shooting. At the same time, volume shooting often lends itself to lower shooting percentages because you’re looking for the first opportunity and not the best one.

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Perhaps you’re not watching the 30% of games that would lend itself to what the numbers say. Perhaps you’ve got assumptions and biases that color your perception of what is happening out there. I prefer Clarkson to Zubrus myself, but the numbers lend themselves to Zubrus being the much better offensive player, even if the numbers don’t directly bear that out.

by acasser on Jun 22, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well my initial comments didn’t start out as trying to compare the two players. Just that if I was GM at this point in time looking at the state of the team. I feel my 3rd line would be just as good with Clarkson on the wing as it would be with Zubrus for less money that would allow me to spend money in improving another position.

But since the conversation seems to have gone the route of comparing the two players. If all things equal, If I was picking teams and had Clarkson or Zubrus to pick from I would likely pick Zubrus 1st. But that is purely on the bias that I have seen more of him so to speak…..Gets more ice time, is on the ice in more important situations and Clarkson is not. Zubrus is a capable veteran and should be. Now maybe this is why some people see more value in him.

As far as Clarkson goes. I personally still see more potential out of him at this point still. Three years ago he was essentially still a rookie, Two years ago he was hurt half the year and last year was well just bad for all the players. The coaches and management certainly have a better perspective on what kind of player Clarkson has the potential to be. None of this talk by fans even takes into consideration what kind of person he is or what he is like in the locker room.

This season at least for me as a fan is a big year for Clarkson. Hopefully the team funk from last year is over. Likely this is the season he either seals his fate as nothing more then a 4th liner like some people have said or he shows that he is a scrappy forward with a nack for putting the puck in the net.

by NJDOhio on Jun 22, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least he’s gotten away from the ever-predictable Clark-around.

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by elesias on Jun 22, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This news makes me even happier that Lou said, “hey, let’s sign up for arbitration with ZP. Ya know, just to protect our rights.”

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by Murdoc on Jun 21, 2011 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t heard it mentioned before, so I’m assuming you can’t do it, but any chance teams can add cash (ala the NBA) or pay a portion of a players salary (ala the MLB) when trading a player? If FLA or any other team below the cap only needs to pay a portion of the cap hit, it’d take less to convince them to make a trade.

by NJHockey8 on Jun 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

No. This method (aka The Rangers Method Pre-Lockout) is not possible per the CBA.

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by Tom Stivali on Jun 21, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much money will we have to spend this summer??

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