2011 Offseason: New Jersey Devils Tender Qualifying Offers for 9 Out of 11 Restricted Free Agents
by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
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Today was an important day in the offseason for NHL teams. At 5 PM EST, NHL teams were required to submit qualifying offers for restricted free agents. Any restricted free agent who was not tendered a qualifying offer and not going to team-elected arbitration will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.
The New Jersey Devils had 11 restricted free agents (RFAs) on the books per Capgeek going into this offseason. As Tom Gulitti reported earlier today, everyone of them except for Anssi Salmela and Zach Parise has been tendered a qualifying offer. A qualifying offer doesn't mean the player will be re-signed, just that his rights will be owned by New Jersey going into free agency. Right now, only Salmela will become an unrestricted free agent this Friday unless he re-signs with New Jersey beforehand. This is especially pertinent in the case of Alexander Vasyunov, whose agent confirmed to Gulitti that he will spend the 2011-12 season with Lokomotiv Yaroslavl in the KHL.
Don't freak out over Parise not getting a qualifying offer. Since he's been elected to go to arbitration by the Devils, he doesn't need to be given a qualifying offer. Section 10.2(a).iv in the collective bargaining agreement justifies this decision. Parise will still either come to an agreement with the Devils on a contract before their arbitration hearing or go to arbitration and be a Devil for this coming season. In effect, only Salmela not being qualified is of particular note - he'll be an UFA on Friday unless he signs a deal before then.
What does this mean for the Devils? Quite simply, a lot of bodies on the roster. Let's talk about it after the jump.
I'm a little annoyed at the number of qualifying offer the Devils gave out today.
I figured that those who spent most of the season down in Albany would be qualified and possibly retained on two-way deals. Namely defenseman Maxim Noreau whom the Devils traded for David McIntyre, goaltender Jeff Frazee, forward Steven Zalewski, forward Nathan Perkovich, and Vasyunov. I'm perfectly fine with the Devils qualifying Vladimir Zharkov, who I believe is a fine fourth line winger in the NHL. What gets me is that while the Devils seemingly chose Matt Taormina (and possibly Noreau) over Anssi Salmela, they also decided to qualify both Mark Fraser and Matthew Corrente.
I don't get it. Corrente and Fraser are essentially the same defenseman. They are physical, their positioning and decision making on defense is suspect, and they bring very little offense to the table. They are third pairing defensemen at best; and so there's no reason to try and keep both of them unless one of them will be dealt away in a later transaction.
I'm also annoyed by the fact that now with the signing of Jay Leach in mind, the Devils can have up to 15 16 defenseman in their system. There is no need for this many defenders to be on professional NHL contracts. Teams cannot have more than 50 players under contract. Right now, the Devils look to have 41 (Vasyunov won't play in NJ or Albany next season, but his rights will stay on this list) before adding additional free agents. The total will be exacerbated when there is the possibility of adding Adam Larsson (I don't think he should be here for 11-12, but I can't rule it out), the possibility of re-signing the team's key unrestricted free agent Andy Greene (who knows how that is going), and Lou mentioning to Gulitti that they could still re-sign Salmela.
I know Lou doesn't want to show his hand, but if he goes out and looks to re-sign a third pairing defenseman like Salmela on top of keeping Taormina and Noreau who can probably handle a third pairing role, then I have to question what he's intending to do. For roster purposes - both in terms of the the contract list and the lineup - I don't see the need to keep them all. It's not like I hate Salmela (or Fraser or Corrente), but the Devils don't need this many third-pairing-at-best caliber players on either roster. Especially when they have others with potential looking to break through to the NHL roster in 2011-12.
Speaking of business factors, what does this all do for the salary cap? Nothing right now, that will come when there is an actual signing. As noted earlier in this offseason, while each individual qualifying offer may not seem like much, it can add up in a hurry. The total of all nine qualifying offers is $5,520,800. While not all nine will be in the NHL, the total cap impact will likely sum up to be about a million or so assuming players accept the salary offered in the qualifying offer and doesn't demand and/or receive a raise. I don't a team can sign a player less than the tendered qualifying offer. Thankfully, the salary cap is set at $64.3 million and most of these players will be in Albany for this coming season; so the Devils should have enough space remaining for Zach Parise and other signings. To reiterate: until contracts are officially signed and submitted to the league, the cap isn't a concern just yet. Today just sets up what will probably happen over the next few days.
I will say that I think today's qualifying offers should be curtains for Tyler Eckford, Olivier Magnan-Grenier, and Rob Davison in the organization. They are definitely not needed as possible depth for New Jersey (which is stretching it at best for these three) or playing on a very crowded Albany blueline. The Devils have too many defensemen in their system as-is, they don't need to add anyone. I really do think there has to be some sort of trade or other transactions coming in the future. If only to reduce the stockpile of defenders in the Devils organization and free up part of the roster.
What do you make of the Devils' decision to tender nine out of ten possible qualifying offers for their restricted free agents? Are you annoyed as I am with the decision to qualify Fraser and Corrente? As well as with just the sheer number of defensemen on the roster? Do you also think there has to be deal or other transaction coming? Please leave your thoughts and feelings on this matter in the comments.
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QOs are QOs. They aren’t contracts, and they aren’t guaranteed roster spots, either in Albany or New Jersey.
Regarding Corrente, I think he plays a different game than Fraser for sure. Corrente has always had some offense in his game, Fraser never has. Corrente also might be converted to forward. Fraser might not end up with the team, and he had a surprisingly not horrid season when he returned from injury.
This to me makes it more likely that Bryce Salvador will not be returning.
This is true, nothing is guaranteed; but how often do you see a team give a player a QO and not do anything unless the player’s signed to play abroad?
I’m not quite convinced of Corrente’s offense short of his incredibly short stint as a makeshift winger. Plus, he was pretty heinous at evens last season.
I’ve included Salvador in my counts, but I suspect you may be right. Salvador’s future in NJ could very well be in question at this point.
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by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true, nothing is guaranteed; but how often do you see a team give a player a QO and not do anything unless the player’s signed to play abroad?
How often do you see players traded who get QOs? Fairly often.
I’m not quite convinced of Corrente’s offense short of his incredibly short stint as a makeshift winger. Plus, he was pretty heinous at evens last season.
Corrente was a point every other game in junior, and a point every third game player in the AHL. He has some offensive ability, I don’t think there’s any question of that. It’s just that he’s pretty terrible at reacting to the play as it comes at him in the D zone. I’m not fully ready to write him off based on 20 games when the team was in the toilet.
Don't give up on Corrente
I won’t reference Corrente’s stats, but seeing him play it’s clear to me that he has more abilities than Fraser. IMO he is a better skater with more offensive potential. Like Fraser, he plays with a sometimes reckless edge, but he doesn’t look lost in the offensive zone.
I’m not saying I think he will be a top 4 guy or anything, but I think he can be serviceable. Keep in mind Corrente has played only 34 NHL games (Fraser has played 94), I would guess about 10 of those were at forward. I think it’s a bit premature to rule a former 1st round pick out after such a small sample size.
Corrente’s decision-making is suspect, but he’s definitely better than Fraser at handling the puck and shooting. The problem is, though, where does he play? He’s got nothing to prove at the AHL level, and we won’t feel better about his NHL ability even if he does play well in the AHL. Yet, I don’t want him taking playing time away from more promising guys like Fayne, Taormina, and Urbom. The same could be said for Fraser. I suppose Urbom might benefit from another year in Albany, but even still there’s not room for both Corrente and Fraser, much less if Greene is re-signed.
I don’t know if it would be “giving up” on Corrente as much as resigning ourselves to the idea that the team is simply better off without him, untapped potential or not.
Having 15 AHL/NHL Defenseman without UFA Greene in the fold (or someone to replace him) seems like overkill. I have no doubt future transactions are coming, and that Lamoriello intends not necessarily to keep all these Defensemen, but to receive something for them in return.
Here’s to stocking the farm.
I miscounted in the original post, it’s 16. But the point’s still the same: it is overkill. The farm is not only stocked, but it’s bursting at the seams with hay, tools, crops, and other farm-like things.
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by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m perfectly fine with the Devils qualifying Valdimir Zharkov
Me too !
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 27, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
I’m also fine with correcting the spelling of his first name, which I just did.
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by John Fischer on Jun 27, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess who’s looking stupid without the “edit button” now ?
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 27, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Help please.
Now with these qualifying offers can someone fill out an offer sheet on them or no? I get so confused on this RFA turning into a UFA. If someone signs Salmela would the Devs get picks. (I don’t think they do) but can some clarify all that garbage.
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by joshd12 on Jun 27, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Salmela, Fraser and Corrente
Im bummed it looks like we won’t be keeping Salmela. I thought he really started coming around at the end of the year. I am definitely willing to part ways with him if that means developing young talent into something better. I think it would be fair to say that Salmela is probably as good as he will ever be. Good luck to him wherever he goes.
I also agree with Triumph that Corrente is a much more dynamic player than Fraser.
Fraser seems a lot like Colin White when he was younger. A slow, stay at home defensmen. I’d be fine with that if he was more assertive in front of the net. Fraser seems very willing to bang and back check in the corners, but he gives up a lot in front of the net. That’s one of the biggest problems I think the Devils have had since Daneyko and Stevens retired. If Fraser could develop that area of his game, I’d be willing to keep him around.
I have been curious about Matt Corrente for a few seasons now. I haven’t seen much that makes me think he can be any more than a third pairing defensman and he was not impressive as a winger. Bottom line, I just don’t know enough about him to form an opinion.
Still plenty of time to see what Lou has up his sleeve.
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by Michael Gianetti on Jun 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
Flexibility
Personally, I am not as irked about keeping pretty much all of the RFA’s (assuming they sign there tenders) simply from the reasoning of roster flexibility. We have no idea who may get hurt during training camp or in Albany. We don;t know what Andy Greenes future may be or whether or not Bryce Salvador can play next year. In terms of the defenseman, I used capgeeks waiver calculator and it seems like Fraser is the only one who isn’t exempt from waivers.
If we are tight against the cap and need a 7th defenseman, Fraser would be suitable for that role especially from a 0.550 salary cap perspective. If Taormina doesn’t pan out for this year, we can easily place him in the minors and call him up for a few games here or there without risk of losing him to waivers. And look at last year, with all the injuries we had? I would rather have more servicable defenseman than being forced to bring up Brandon Burlon or Harry Young to play a five or ten game stretch.
Finally, perhaps Lou does have a plan of trading away one or two of these guys if we go through training camp without any significant injuries or if Salvador shows he can play. And at 41 roster reserve spots, even if we re-sign greene, parise, and hedberg AND larsson plays, then we still have five spots left. Considering that would give us a full 22 man roster, I don’t see how we would need those five spots assuming there aren’t any college guys we are ready to sign to entry level contracts.
I think a trade is in the works. At the very least, a swap of guys without a future with the big club (Kelly, Young, and perhaps Corrente and Fraser) for minor league forwards that can help the team in Albany.
Why give up the rights to players who are rightfully ours if we can flip them for useful spare parts?
So is this going to be our defense?:
Henrik Tallinder / Mark Fayne
Anton Volchenkov / Colin White
Bryce Salvador / (Insert training camp winner here)
oh and Mark Fraser as 7th
I predict:
Tallinder / Fayne
White / Urbom
Volchenkov / Taormina
Corrente as the 7th.
I just don’t see Salvador being able to play. I’d like to see the Devils pick up a veteran over 35 on a one-year deal but I can deal with this defense as is…the Devils won’t be a contender but the young guys will get a lot of good experience and hopefully they’ll still make the playoffs.
What about Larsson??? You would think if anyone could impress in training camp its him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does make it. I wonder why NHL Drafted players don’t take discounts just so that they can play in the NHL next season. I mean if the cap is what holds larsson back from making the team, why wouldn’t he just take a 1 million dollar contract instead of 2 or 2.5?
Might have something to do with the contract being most prospects first contract, their first taste of money.
In Larsson’s case, although he has played in the SEL, in order to take $2M less than what he would command otherwise, you would think he would want some sort of guarantee that by taking $1M, he would secure a spot on the Devils blueline.
You can bet Lamoriello would never do that.
Is this the list of 16?
Because looking at CapGeek, I count 17, which isn’t enough for 3 teams.
Under Contract (6):
Volchenkov
Tallinder
White
Salvador
Fayne
Leach
RFA:
Corrente
Taormina
Fraser
Noreau
Signed, but Albany at best, one probably in Trenton(7)
Kory Nagy (T)
Joe Sova (A)
Harry Young (A)
Brandon Burlon (A?)
Dan Kelly (A)
Eric Gelinas (?)
Alexander Urbom (A)
I still believe we can subtract Salvador from the picture due to retirement, which leaves the top 6 being: Volchenkov, Tallinder, White, Fayne, Taormina, Fraser. (No, I’m not happy with this list)
I see no problem having extra defensemen under NHL/AHL contract, 15 would actually be an ideal number, IMO, 7 at the NHL level and 8 in the ‘A’, especially if one of those 8 is Corrente, who can play forward if necessary.
So even if there are extra bodies, we can almost guarantee one or two will be traded, perhaps as part of a deal for a steadier #5/6 player.
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as of right now we only got 3 defensemen i count on in Volchenkov, White, Tallinder, and one maybe in Fayne. So i do feel Larrson is much more likely to play in nhl this year then its considered. I hope to see Fraser and Salvador moving on both are a waste of space imo. I also think perhaps some of these yound dmen will be traded away for a serviceable nhl ready vet.
by KingHellfire on Jun 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Greene
If Andy Greene proves to be too costly an addition as a UFA, the Devils absolutely need to pick up a serviceable 3rd-pairing veteran Defenseman. I’d rather not see an Opening Night Lineup including only 3 proven NHL Defenseman.
Maybe we can get frail Sami Salo on an injury discount.
Maybe we can give Steve Montador a 10-15% raise.
Maybe we can nab Martinek off the Island.
Whatever it is, I hope the Devils can nab a veteran defenseman without breaking the bank if Greene moves on. We need help.
so Larsson doesn’t make the team?
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Lou will give him a chance to make the team during the summer camp & the training camp, We’ll see then.
Larsson ‘s real talent, he’s already better than a lot of our young d-men & they still played full-time last year ( not really Taormina), so why not him ?
Too, Tallinder’s a great guy with the kids, especially with the Swedish, even more with a young Swedish D-man, Henrik’s absolutely the perfect guy to teach him the league game, Adam will learn a lot & quickly with him.
Besides issues with his future cap-hit, I’m sure he’ll make the team, Elitserien is a very good league. he’s already a professional hockey player.
I do NOT say he should make it, but I won’t be surprised if Lou thinks Adam Larsson is good enough to play already, that’s what I’m saying overall.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if Larsson were on the team, it would be hard to see him racking up 30 pts this season. He scored 9 pts in an inferior league with a season about 2/3 as long as the NHL season. Yeah, he scored 17 pts as a 16/17 yr-old, but he also wasn’t as focused on his defensive play at the time. Larsson will not get playing time if he’s not good defensively, so expect him to focus on that when he first makes it to the NHL, and then the points and the offense will come later as his game matures.
I wasn’t aware he signed a contract yet. Until he does, you can’t count him for anything.
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Too Many Defensemen
The Devils do not have 6 solid defensemen on the roster. Instead they have three or four proven veterans; White, Tallindar and Volchenkov, and if Lou re-signs him, Andy Greene. Salvador is a question mark because of last season and his age. The rest are young guys with potential, but none with enough NHL experience to be counted on to be a force during the season.
Is it possible that Lou, not knowing who will be the next coach, and what kind of game he will want the team to play, is stockpiling defensemen to be sorted out in training camp and in the pre-season? Once the coach is on board, with the Devils reputation for solid selections, maybe Lamauriello will package the “excess” to pick up one or more proven veterans (forwards and defenders) to give the new head coach a full compliment of players who can play his way?
Salmela might still sign
Lou said that Salmela might still sign with the Devils after July 1st. By not qualifying him, he becomes a UFA, but it also means that he loses his right to go to arbitration. In other words, the Devils could feasibly give him a pay cut for this season if they sign him. More importantly, going to arbitration could have potentially resulted in a raise that was substantially larger than that in just qualifying Salmela, so this was prevented as well.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
would you prefer Fraser and Corrente over Anssi. I would take Anssi any day over either one of them. However, I understand why your happy, neither of those three guys are worth money.
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they weren’t nearly as bad as Salmela… it takes a special skill to cough the puck over repeatedly and hang your defensive partner to dry
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO there are three guys who have a locked spot on the blue line:
1. White
2. Tallinder
3. Volchenkov
So three spots will be open for:
1. Fayne
2. Tao
3. Larsson
4. Fraser
5. Corrente
6. Salvador
So after originally wanting Larsson playing this year, it does not make much sense at all to take the spot of 5 other guys and then add his salary hit that John discussed earlier this year.
Plus who knows, maybe one of those guys has a breakout season kind of like Fayne and Tao did last year.
What I would like to see:
Fayne/Tally
White/Volchenkov
Tao/Corrente – That is a scary pairing.
P.S. With the amount of D we have Albany should be pretty decent.
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You really think Fayne can replace Greene once he is given the extra minutes? Tao/Corrente? Really? With that lineup we’ll be seeing the number one pick next year.
Fayne was already given the extra minutes at the end of the year – he averaged 20 minutes per game in the last 2 months of the season, and got more difficult assignments than Greene.
you really think Fayne can replace Green once he is given the extra minutes?
yes I do, maybe not on the offensive side of the puck, but he can hold his own defensively.
Tao/Corrente?
I think Tao is the same player Greene is, although it was a small sample, Tao looked really good playing and I think he could take Greene position on the back end. Large shoes to fill, but with his speed, he will do fine.
With that lineup we’ll be seeing the number one pick next year.
Do you think the Devils qualified all those players to keep Fraser and Corrente in the minors?
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Tao is no way near the same player Greene is, he is more likely to be bumped off the puck and he is very bad in the defensive zone. Offensively like Greene and thats about it.
Fayne was given more minutes towards the end and that’s when our run started faltering.
Here is a different perspective of Greene from another fanbase, gives you an idea how much Devil’s fans are undervaluing him:
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2011/6/28/2246955/free-agency-is-coming-defensemen-pt-2
Taormina and Fayne are better offensive players than Greene, that much is pretty clear.
Fayne was +4 in March and April, Greene was a -5 – remind me again why Fayne is the cause of the run beginning to falter?
Taormina and Fayne are better offensive players than Greene, that much is pretty clear.
That’s not clear yet. Taormina has 17 games under his belt and Fayne has 57. Andy has two full seasons were he averaged 30 points.
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy also has 2 other half-ish seasons where he would have averaged fewer than 20 points over 82 games.
Fayne and Taormina’s shots/game numbers in the NHL and AHL suggest that both guys are going to end up being better offensive players than Greene. I also think Greene is a pretty significant dog to repeat that 37 point season.
Is there some sort of study that shows number of shots equals great offensive careers? Because if there isn’t then the number of shots they have doesn’t suggest anything.
The more shots one has, the more likely one is to score. Plus, if one is getting shots on net it suggests a certain amount of skill and willingness to take the shot… both important parts of scoring goals.
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I think it’s particularly important for defenders, as it demonstrates an ability to find holes through screens and get pucks on net.
Status quo.
A study? I don’t think I’ve seen one, I might make one though. It makes intuitive sense – the more shots a player has, the more goals he’s likely to score, and the more rebounds he’s likely to generate. Also the more shots he has, the more likely it is he’s getting into a favorable position to shoot the puck.
Here’s a list of the defensemen who played at least 50 games and at least 1100 minutes this past year, sorted by shots on goal per game. You can see that in general, the players with more shots have more points, and the players with fewer shots have fewer points.
I guess you can see it two different ways. Because a defensemen taking a lot of shots to me means they lack any offensive creativity and they lack the patience/skill to make a pass from the point.
and? it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference points-wise, and i think you are overstating the impact a ‘creative’ defenseman can have. yeah someone like kaberle has made a career where he doesn’t shoot often, but in general, the defensemen who put up big totals do so in part because they are shooting the puck a lot.
I agree that shooting is a part of being a successful offensive defensemen but you can’t just say that because someone took more shots they will be better offensively. It’s not that simple.
i can say pretty confidently that greene will likely top out between 20-30 points and that someone like taormina is more likely to be in the 25-35 range, as is fayne. what all that means is anyone’s guess, but greene hasn’t shown any consistent ability to be good on the power play or at even strength.
someone like taormina is more likely to be in the 25-35 range
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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No one can “pretty confidently” say any of that unless they can tell the future. If that’s the case here, I have a lot of questions for you.
by undersuspicion426 on Jun 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about that one...
Not saying it’s poorly written, and I really don’t want to “take sides” in the Greene discussion, but that article states as the primary observation of his skills:
Greene has a lot of skill in his passing game, and has a great touch with that critical “first pass” out of the zone.
if he was that good with the puck, why has the fanbase been clammoring for a guy who has specifically those skills for the better part of the past season or 2?
Just trying to debate the issue a little. I think there are a lot of Devs fans undervaluing what he does, and there are clearly folks out there that overvalue him as well.
Point of it all is that we are in a similar position now as we were at this point a year ago. There is a significant chance that a valuable piece of the starting Defense is likely to be moving along.
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Just trying to debate the issue a little. I think there are a lot of Devs fans undervaluing what he does, and there are clearly folks out there that overvalue him as well.
Right – I think he’s an average to above-average d man. it’s an indictment that greene was left off the power play for large stretches of the season. The author, IMO, is sorting by points and judging that because greene had a lot of assists, he must be an excellent passer. While I think he’s pretty good at passing, I doubt we will see him get 38 points again.
If he gets more than twice what he made, they can have him and they’ll see that he’s not worth even that.
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