Eight Years Ago, The New Jersey Devils Won Their Third Stanley Cup
Eight years ago, the New Jersey Devils accomplished what many franchises are still attempting to do year after year: win the Stanley Cup. In fact, this would be the third Stanley Cup victory for the Devils. Only nine franchises in the post-NHL era have won more than 3 Stanley Cups: both New York teams, Ottawa, Chicago, Boston, Edmonton, Detroit, Toronto, and Montreal.
Notice that most of that list includes each of the "Original Six" franchises; and Ottawa's Cup wins were way back in their adopted history (1920s and prior). Considering that Edmonton carried their team over from the WHA, the Islanders are the only team on this list who built their team from scratch in the NHL to win that many Stanley Cups. It really puts the Devils' victories in an impressive perspective (this applies to the Penguins too).
Let's reminiscence about the 2003 team, their playoff run, and the Stanley Cup Final after the jump.
The 2003 team was a defensive powerhouse. Per NHL.com's team stats, the Devils tied with Philadelphia in yielding the lowest goals against total in the league at 166. The Devils did stand out from the Flyers with the league's lowest shots against per game rate at 23.6. On paper, the Devils were expected to be quite good. This was a defense that had Scott Niedermayer in his prime, Brian Rafalski handling second pairing duties with ease, Colin White starting to blossom, and Scott Stevens still playing well enough despite getting up in years. The Devils also had several forwards who most definitely helped out on defense, which is still something Devil forwards are encouraged to do. Among other forwards, John Madden and Jay Pandolfo were entering their primes as shutdown players; veterans Grant Marshall and Turner Stevenson gave grit to go with their tenacity along the boards; and Jamie Langenbrunner showed he could contribute well at both ends of the rink. On paper, it was bound to be good. On the ice, it was brilliant; thanks to the players' own performance and head coach Pat Burns coaching them up to be as stingy as they were.
Oh, and there was Martin Brodeur. 73 games, 73 starts, 9 shutouts, a 91.4% save percentage, a GAA of 2.02, a record of 41-23-9-5, and a Vezina trophy in 2003. He was pretty good.
Their offense really wasn't, however. Per NHL.com, they averaged 2.63 goals per game, a total of 216 - which was good for 14th in the league that season. However, that's still a really low total by itself. Breaking it down player by player from HockeyDB, Patrik Elias led the team in scoring with 28 goals and 29 assists in what seemed like a snake-bitten season for the winger. Langenbrunner, Scott Gomez, and Jeff Friesen would be the only Devils to break 50 points - 55, 55, and 51 respectively. Langenbrunner, Friesen, and Elias were the only Devils to score more than 20 goals. The crown jewel of the cruddy offense was the power play wasn't the definition of awful. They got 303 opportunities and scored on only 36 goals - a conversion rate of 11.8%, dead last in the league. Needless to say, Devils fans were very thankful for the stalwart defensive corps and Martin Brodeur.
Offensive woes, the Devils rode their team to success with a record of 46-20-10-6 in 2002-03. A tie against Buffalo in their final game of the season giving them that extra point to win the Atlantic Division ahead of Philadelphia. The Devils earned the second seed, and decisively smashed Boston in the first round 4-1 and Tampa Bay in the second round 4-1. Good times unless you liked the B's or the Bolts.
The Eastern Conference Finals were considerably tougher against Ottawa. The Senators had a very strong team by way of finishing first in the Eastern Conference; led by Marian Hossa and Daniel Alfredsson up front, Wade Redden and Chris Phillips in the back, and Patrick Lalime in nets. They wanted their first "modern" Stanley Cup and gave the Devils a mighty fit. The Senators took Game 1, but the Devils decisively beat them in Games 2 and 4 (4-1, 5-2, respectively) and shut them out 1-0 in Game 3. Yet, the Sens clawed back in Game 5 and Game 6 with wins, attempting to do to New Jersey what the Devils did to the Flyers in 2000. It was a very nervy Game 7 in Ottawa for Devils fans around the world.
The nerves perhaps got to Jeff Friesen. Early in the third period, gave up the puck at the blueline in the third period in a game the Devils were winning 2-1. Radek Bonk took it and tied it up. The crowd was ignited and Freisen looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole in the ground. I wouldn't have blamed him if I was in his shoes. Back then, I wasn't, I was a fan who was very much blaming him - dreading the worst.
Fortunately, Friesen became the hero of the night and redeemed his horrible error late in the game. Grant Marshall, of all people, nutmegged Wade Redden with a pass - and you know, let's just watch it here and be amazed:
Friesen turned out to not only be one of the few notable offensive players on the 2002-03 team, but one of the team's important goal scorers in the playoffs. He put in 10, four of which were eventual game winners including this series-clinching strike. As you'll see in the video, it was only his fifth goal of the postseason, which should give you a clue as to how his SCF went. Anyway, the Devils clamped down like their lives depended on it - considering Burns was the coach and Lou was the GM, perhaps they were - and they moved on. Alfredsson just slumped along the boards wondering just what happened - how they came so close yet so far. A jarring image in contrast to the Devils cheering enthusiastically. The agony of defeat compared with the ecstasy of victory. This recap at ESPN of that Game 7 sums it up well, should you need it.
Straying away from the continuity of the postseason run, only Jamie Langenbrunner put in more goals than Friesen with 11. Langenbrunner was fantastic in the 2003 postseason, including the first two goals against Ottawa in that Game 7. He led all forwards in points with 11 goals and 5 assists; and just as it endeared him to Dallas fans, his defense was just as important as his shot. He's now persona non grata to Devils fans, but how he played in 2003 made Devils fans fall in love with the guy. Recalling that makes the more recent memories of #15 grate even more. Moving on. Only Scott Niedermayer had as many points (2 goals and 16 assists) - who was also a beast in 2003. Niedermayer was arguably one of the best defensemen in the world for a bit of time in the last decade. Loads of minutes, moving up and down the ice smoother than butter, and making seemingly all the right reads.
Let's get back on track to the Stanley Cup Final. The opponent was Anaheim. Yes, the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. Their Cinderella story was part-Aladdin, with a genie granting Jean-Sebastian Giguere special powers to stop all kinds of shots (someone ask Tim Thomas about it, maybe he knows something). Their playoffs went from an upset to a magical run they can win the whole thing. Not to throw the rest of the roster under the bus, but the Ducks don't get close to the Finals if Giguere wasn't putting up 94-95% save percentage performances. After all, even after a 7-game final, the Ducks' leading scorers in the post season were Adam Oates and Petr Sykora, each with 4 goals and 9 assists. Yes, 13 points. The Ducks needed Giguere to be fantastic for another series. Many were expecting a goaltending duel, what with Brodeur being, well, himself and Giguere being so hot.
While Giguere's excellence was the main story, other narratives popped up. Fans got to know Niedermayer's family real well as the Scott vs. Rob matchup was emphasized and their mother thrown in the middle. Devils supporters didn't want to see former-Devil Petr Sykora light up his former team. I also vaguely remember ABC hyping up some couple that promised to get married if Anaheim took the Stanley Cup (they did it anyway, making it an eye-rolling cheap stunt).
The early hopes/fears of a goaltending duel were quickly dashed. The Devils not only won the first two games, but they did it 3-0 in each one. Early indications looked like the Devils were going to take this series, which sounds kind of familiar today. The Ducks were unfazed. They won Games 3 and 4 on their ice, but they weren't big wins like a more recent Stanley Cup Final. No, both were overtime victories. Game 3 may be memorable as that was the game where Brodeur heinously lost his stick on a dump-in that went in; though he got beat in OT by a far more respectable shot. Game 4 was Giguere's lone shutout in the series, his fifth in the postseason. That game, above all others, was the goalie duel that most expected at the start of the Stanley Cup Finals. It would be the only one. Incidentally, Joe Nieuwendyk suffered a hip injury that would keep him out for the rest of the series. This will be important a little later.
Game 5 was a statement game by New Jersey, a 6-3 smashing of the Ducks in East Ruthersford. It was 3-3 until Jay Pandolfo, of all people, got a tally in the second and the Devils just rallied from there. I do admit I may be overstating Pandolfo's goal, but this is reminiscing and I prefer to think that Pandolfo scoring a goal just deflates the opposition. That only lasted a game as Anaheim returned the favor with a 5-2 win in Anaheim.
Which brings us to June 9, 2003. I was 20 years old. I was enjoying the summer break after my sophomore year in college, blissfully unaware of how much more difficult engineering school would get. I wasn't at the Continental Airlines Arena; but at home, watching the game. Hearing 19,040-plus go crazy in support of the Devils, with the red-and-white clad masses waving white towels (or were they pom-poms?) to varying rhythms. The ESPN on ABC broadcast tried to be more even-handed, possibly tilted a bit towards the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. After all, the Devils don't get much respect now, they certainly didn't then. I didn't care, I wanted the one thing Devils fans wanted: a Stanley Cup. Veterans like to point out that after winning a championship, you want to do it again. That feeling is true for fans as well. Two would not be enough. I wanted Giguere lit up. I wanted Paul Kariya kept quiet after scoring a revenge goal in Game 6 after being crushed by Scott Stevens. I wanted Petr Sykora to look like Alfredsson after Game 7 in Ottawa. I wanted the Cup back to New Jersey.
Let's rewind a bit. Joe Nieuwendyk suffered a hip injury after Game 4. His replacement in the lineup was Mike Rupp. You couldn't miss him on the ice. He was massive at 6'5", skated rather awkwardly, didn't seem all that fast, liked to use his big frame, and he had to be protected in terms of his shifts. Rupp was the 8th overall pick in 1998, fell out of favor in the Islanders organization and didn't develop like any prospect you'd expect at 8th overall. Rupp re-entered the draft in 2000 as an overage junior player, the Devils got him in the third round, and did decently in Albany. A big man with grit, not expected to be scorer or a strong two-way player. A guy you want to have on the ice to be tough, not to make plays or break a tie game. He got his first taste of the NHL in 2002-03, putting up 5 goals and 3 assists in 26 games. Due to the Devils' lack of depth at center, Rupp became Burns' choice to replace the veteran Nieuwendyk. Sure, Nieuwendyk wasn't like his former self, but he was usually more useful to the Devils' chances of winning a game of hockey than Rupp at the time. The rookie wasn't even supposed to be there, were he healthy.
Thankfully, he was in uniform and he was in the right spot at 2:22 into the second period on June 9, 2003:
His first NHL playoff goal - and it ultimately sealed a third Stanley Cup for the New Jersey Devils. Talk about an unlikely hero. Who would beat the mighty J-S Giguere in what would be his most important game of his career at the time? Who would rise to the occasion? Nobody outside of his family would suggest it would be Michael Rupp. Maybe they wouldn't. But he was. His deflection wasn't the most glorious or most visually appealing - deflections usually aren't - but I remember thinking it was one of the greatest things I ever saw. And the Devils faithful would agree, elated at the event that made that all-important lamp light up behind Giguere. He was a focus in SI.com's recap of Game 7, that I invite you to check out.
Of course, the 2003 Devils could have won this game 1-0. The announcers in the above video suggested as such. However, it's a risky way to play. Generally, you'd like to have a larger lead - a buffer in case something goes awry. Enter the Game 7 hero in Ottawa: Jeff Friesen.
Like Rupp's goal, it wasn't pretty. Friesen just pounded a rebound home. However, when it's a guy on your side, "garbage" is treasure. Notice the particulars: Scott Niedermayer takes the shot, Mike Rupp was involved, and Friesen just put in all kinds of effort to get a shot off - much less get it in. Bill Clement and Gary Thorne actually described the CAA as "literally rocking back and forth." Forget just the arena, I couldn't sit still - leaping all over the place like the happiest fool in the world. I felt I was. With two goals, the Devils surely had a lock on the game in my mind. Today, I wouldn't think such a thing, but then I had faith that the Devils would keep Anaheim at bay.
And they did. Thanks to Brodeur. Thanks to Stevens, White, Niedermayer, Rafalski, Ken Daneyko (who I have to admit moved like a glacier in that one), and Tommy Albelin (who moved slightly faster than Dano then). Thanks to the scratched Jiri Bicek, Jim McKenzie, Oleg Tverdovsky, Richard Smhelik, and Nieuwendyk. Thanks to Pascal Rheaume (Devils' depth at forward really wasn't a strength), Stevenson, Marshall, Sergei Brylin, Pandolfo, John Madden (who had an awesome playoff himself with 6 goals and 10 assists), Langenbrunner, Gomez, Brian Gionta, Elias, Friesen, and Rupp. Thanks to Pat Burns and his assistants, Bobby Carpenter, John MacLean, Jacques Caron, and Larry Robinson. Thanks to Lou Lamoriello. Thanks to PuckHoldings. Thanks to New Jersey. They didn't give Anaheim an inch, stepping up as needed.
As time ticked down in the game, my worry turned into confidence. Sure, Anaheim could have made a game of it, but I wasn't thinking in that way. No way were the Devils going to lose this game. No way were the Devils going to be denied another Stanley Cup. No way were the Devils not going to get some respect, even just a little, from those loathe to give it. And Friesen put the proverbial cherry on the greatest ice cream sundae late in the third period:
The game wasn't over, but it pretty much was. Like in Ottawa, Jeff Friesen ensured another Game 7 win for New Jersey - only this goal was just insurance.
The Devils won the Stanley Cup. J-S Giguere and his 94.5% save percentage earned him the Conn Smythe. The Devils fans booed and I agreed with them at the time. After all, Brodeur put up 7 shutouts, 3 against Anaheim, and was nearly as solid with a 93.4% save percentage. Jamie Langenbrunner led the NHL playoffs with 11 goals and 18 points. Scott Niedermayer also had 18 points and was a force in all four rounds. How dare he get this award on New Jersey's home ice? Boo. Looking back, I think Giguere was the right choice. Just not in the moment.
But that was a little blip among the amazingly awesome euphoria Devils fans were feeling. They won the Stanley Cup. The 2002-03 team will be remembered in hockey history. And we got to see it all, right from the beginning all the way down to the last possible game of the Stanley Cup Finals. Contributions from long-time veterans Daneyko, Brylin, and Stevens all the way down to rookies like Mike Rupp. Like most team sports, winning the Cup takes a team effort; and the Devils put effort after effort together that not even a super-hot Giguere could withstand.
I can recall that feeling a little bit even as I type this; and it's a feeling you want to feel as much as possible if you're a fan. It fully justifies all the time, thought, and money put into following sport. There really isn't much like it that I know of, though that may say more about myself than I would care to admit. Eight years ago, the feeling was in New Jersey, with the apex occurring when Scott Stevens lifted up the best trophy in sports for the third time in his career.
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Fantastic Article!
I was too young at the time to truly appreciate this stanley cup victory, and i was just getting into hockey. I wish that i can feel that feeling that you felt very soon! Again, great article. Well written.
Great read.
I was at that Game 7 in the Stanley Cup Finals. The moment of the Devils lifting the Stanley Cup live will always be my father’s and myself’s greatest moment in hockey, followed by Marty’s 552.
waving white towels (or were they pom-poms?)
Neither, they were those white plastic things you would bang together to make an annoying, yet intimidating sound.
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 9, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
Ah yes. Cancel my comment below. The prior year were towels, 2003 were “thunder sticks”.
by SonicJoe on Jun 9, 2011 8:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, Thunder Sticks. That’s what they were, though I swore I saw some towels in the ending video. Maybe people brought their own stuff to wave?
Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
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2003 was definitely the year of the thunder sticks.
I have one that I didn’t take out of the package yet, and it says 2003 Stanley Cup Playoffs.
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 9, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
towels or pom-poms
They were towels. I still have mine from Game 2. Only SCF game I ever went to, but it was awesome.
by SonicJoe on Jun 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was able to get tickets for the entire playoffs that season. The Devils were 10-1 at home. We couldn’t make it to one game, the only game they lost. Being at the deciding game was awesome. I still have some of the confetti that was released after the game. Like you, I disagreed with the Conn Smythe decision. Unlike you, I still do, and recently posted my reasoning.
As far as the towels go, if memory serves, they were a giveaway at an earlier game, many people brought them back for the final game.
And again, great post.
Go Devils
Go Jets
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Ah, they were called cheerstix on the package. A definite keepsake from my childhood.
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 9, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
awwwww yeah.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 9, 2011 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Final Thoughts on That Memorable Playoff Run.
I was at game 7 and booed when JSG won the Conn Smythe. Plenty of people in the media, and casual fans of the game called it classless. Hell, even my mom was upset by the people booing at the game and let me hear about it when I arrived home late that evening. That being said, Brodeur deserved the Conn Smythe over him. I understand 100% that the award is given for performance throughout the entire playoffs, but in the end JSG did not play well enough in the finals to deserve the trophy. The Devils were an offensively challenged team and managed to dominate him on home ice. As John wrote above Brodeur had 7 shutouts in the playoffs, and 3 in the finals. Brodeur never let Anaheim control of the series. They were always a step behind, and always a goal away, never quite being able to have a moment of belief that they could actually win the series.
Reading this reminds me of why I grew frustrated with the fans treatment of Langenbrunner over the past two seasons. We as Devils fans are spoiled in a great way. We won 3 Stanley Cups in a span of 9 seasons. Some franchises do not win a Championship in 20, 40, or even 100 years. Langenbrunner scored a number of key goals throughout that playoff run and could easily be seen as our best offensive player. His performance gave him “Championship Immunity” in my mind. Championship Immunity is given to players who play a major part in winning a championship for their team or club. It is why I will stand up and cheer every time Mike Rupp takes the ice for an opposing team, and why I cheered for Jason Arnott when he spent time in Dallas/Nashville.
The way Langenbrunner’s departure was celebrated by numerous fans rubbed me the wrong way, and the major reason is the way he played during that playoff run.
My final memory of this series belongs to one man. Ken Daneyko diving on the ice in the final minute of the game is the one memory that will stick with me the rest of my life. It seemed like this was the ending of a Hollywood movie. The journeyman player playing his final game with the team that drafted him after being benched for the previous six games in the series. He ended his career the way he began it, diving on the ice after a loose puck, playing his heart out to secure the victory for his Devil club. Daneyko diving on the ice after the puck is the perfect image for that 2003 team, and the image that will always give me goosebumps.
How about the image of him smiling with his toothless face, while the crowd chanted, “ONE MORE YEAR!”
That brings me goosebumps.
by Marty's Better #30 on Jun 9, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts on Jamie
I agree that it was sad to see Jamie go out the way he did, but he was terribly infuriating to watch over the year or so leading up to his departure. Bad turnovers, whiffing on good passes and the like were plentiful. I think what people were most mad about though is his service as captain.
From the time he chose to pout about being scratched to get some rest by Lemaire last year, he started failing as a leader of this team. He put himself in front of the team and then never really atoned himself. Poor body language, uninspired play by the team he was captain of, and the lack of any guiding voice as the team was nosediving this season just compounded everything. Now we don’t see what happens in the locker room, but on the ice and in the postgames, he looked like a captain who refused to lead. Compound that with rapidly declining production and it was a recipe for disaster.
That said, I think the wounds of the past year will heal and Jamie will eventually be remembered as a great Devil – thanks, in large part, to his heroics in the ’03 Cup run. Lots of stars leave teams on a bitter note; time and perspective will cause people to come around on the former Captain Crankypants and eventually embrace him again.
by nyynygnjd on Jun 9, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This one was, I think, my favorite of all the Cups. Maybe because it’s the freshest in my memory or perhaps because it was the one I paid closest attention to… but most likely because it was the one I was on the wrong coast for and so was able to reforge a connection with my home through vicariousness.
I would listen to the games streaming live on the internet, often causing my co-workers to wonder about me when I’d randomly shout or hoot and holler in an otherwise silent office, and then I’d watch the replays on ESPN late at night. Even though I already knew the outcome, I didn’t miss a single minute, and I have to admit, I developed quite a man-crush on Jeff Freisen.
"I have an opinion and I know you have an answer, but in all honesty if you don’t know then don’t reply, because my opinion will always be better than your answer….and if you agree then highlight your response unless you don’t know."
and I have to admit, I developed quite a man-crush on Jeff Freisen.

Somebody take this thing! I have to go call my sweetie Elesias! We did it babe!
I hope to join Claude Lemieux in Hell one day for a beer....
by HELLAWAITS on Jun 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
T'was a great day to be a Devils fan
Good times…good times
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by NJD28 on Jun 10, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Eight is enough
Dev fans have a lot to be proud of and even in our little current rut of missing the dance this year, going since ’97 for every year except this past is a pretty big accomplishment when you compare what other teams in our own division have done in that same span.
However I grew a little too accustomed to the Devs’ sucess and I can’t say I’m fairweather because I was still going and watching during the darkest days of JMac’s debacle,but I am growing tired of Lou’s inability to rebuild this once great defense we’ve had from ‘94-’06. I was there opening nite of Rock after spending 5 hrs on line to get cheap seats and came away saying how this defense was terrible and this past year came away mumbling the same thing on too many nites.
I know LL made a big push last year to retool the D and hopefully this summer will bring us a little closer to Lord Stanley than further away. Have a good summer Lou!
I don’t know exactly how you expected Lou to re-tool the defense with poor first round picks, and over-inflated free agency prices for overrated defensemen. Losing Stevens, Niedermayer, and Rafalski in the span of a few seasons would cripple any team, yet somehow the Devils found a way to continue their success.
With an excellent pick in this upcoming draft, the emergence of Jon Merill, and a myriad of young talent in the minors, the Devils defense has taken significant steps toward becoming a feared force.
by DiffuseTheBob on Jun 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is everyone so hung up on trying to replicate the great defense of the Cup years? Do you have any concept how hard it is to accumulate that kind of talent, all the more now that there is a salary cap to complicate things?
Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermayer are two of the very best defensemen of their generation. Brian Rafalski was the #3 guy on those teams, and he’s good enough to be the top guy on a number of teams (and the #2 guy on an excellent Detroit club) plus a multiple-time All-Star and Olympian. Colin White and Ken Daneyko were rock-solid defensive defensemen.
To assemble all that on one team, you either have to draft and develop really, really well…. and it doesn’t hurt to have some very high draft picks to tilt the odds in your favor a little more (Stevens was the fifth guy off the board in his draft class, Niedermayer the third in his). You have to make some savvy personnel moves — such as convincing an arbitrator that Scott Stevens is appropriate compensation for losing Brendan Shanahan — and/or take advantage of other factors — such as Chris Pronger whining his way out of Edmonton or Niedermayer’s “need” to play with his brother in Anaheim. Add in the need to manage the salary cap properly while assembling a viable team around that core plus the expansion of the League from 24 teams in 1994 to 30 today, and I doubt we’re going to see a crew as loaded as some of those Devils’ teams were for a long time.
Rome doesn’t get built in a day. Most of us aren’t happy with the state of the Devils’ defense, but we’re not expecting miracles to rain down from Above to solve the problem, either.
why I’m hung up on building a great defense is because that is what still wins the cup every year. I’m not saying that you need clones of Stevens and Neids but you need a corp of solid physical , mobile, offensive capable, D especially now with the new NHL where there is no red line, no interference on forecheckers, and stick fouls are called way too often.
I’m not expecting LL to build a champion this year or even next but ever since moving in to the Rock it just hasn’t been even a good corp, they’ve been average or serviceable at best. P. Martin was their best overall D and we couldn’t keep him because we’re hell bent on having the best LW corp in the league and making sure some guys will never have their grandkids work another day in their lives.
The bottom line falls @ LL and hes done a bad job of transitioning to the “new” NHL and Post cup glory. I’m tolerant of the fact that FA makes keeping a good team intact difficult and player’s have desire’s to move elsewhere for their own personal reasons. The only team who does it better is DET over the last 17 years so I can’t cry for Lou’s head but the Rolston and Zubrus signings, not developing the next goalie, not having any stability in the coaching situation, this D corp of record setting ineptitude of offense from the blueline, the lack of cap mngnt. Just as Marty’s play slipped a little this year , so too has our GM for the last 4-5 years.
Here’s my problem w/ Uncle Lou. We spent over 4M + on Volchenkov, 3M + on Tallinder but don’t resign Martin and now won’t resign Greene. Why………?
I know its only 1 year but Atrain’s 1st year was disappointing to be kind and Tallinder played great 2nd 1/2, one could say a poor mans Paul Martin, but there are 2 1/2’s of a season.
We spent ungodly money on a great player, but we already had our franchise LW and future Captain playing here. I love Kovy but hockey is a "team " game and we would have been better served to spend his money on ZP and have money left to address center or D. 15 years is just stupid and crazy considering we were only outbidding ourselves Lou.
Having bashed the greatest thing to happen to this franchise ; I still think he can turn this dire situation around. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and maybe he pulls off another great summer to continue turning this around.
why I’m hung up on building a great defense is because that is what still wins the cup every year.
Not every year, and there’s a bit more to it than that, but your point is taken. What it overlooks, however, is how accomplished the defense has been.
Even with the poor start they finished 10-11 9th in GA/G and 2nd in SA/G. From 06-07 until 09-10 they finished in the top 5 (4th, 5th, 4th, 1st respectively) in GA/G and top half of the league (8th, 12th, 2nd, 1st) in SA/G.
By way of comparison, since the lockout the 5 Cup winners have finished:
- Chicago 6th GA/G, 2nd SA/G
- Pittsburgh 17th GA/G, 18th SA/G
- Detroit 1st GA/G, 1st SA/G
- Anaheim 7th GA/G, 5th SA/G
- Carolina 19th GA/G, 19th SA/G
Aside from Detroit’s dominant season and Anaheim’s SA/G in 06-07, the Devils ranked better than all of the eventual winners. (As an aside, Carolina stands out as perhaps the worst team to ever manage to win it all.)
Obviously the post-lockout Devils teams have been flawed, and this isn’t to say they weren’t, but statements like “I am growing tired of Lou’s inability to rebuild this once great defense we’ve had from ‘94-’06” overlooks that even though the names have changed, the results haven’t really.
I’m not expecting LL to build a champion this year or even next but ever since moving in to the Rock it just hasn’t been even a good corp, they’ve been average or serviceable at best.
See above. Since moving into the Rock they’ve been a top 5 defense.
Martin was their best overall D and we couldn’t keep him because we’re hell bent on having the best LW corp in the league and making sure some guys will never have their grandkids work another day in their lives.
If you’ll recall, Martin tested free agency and Kovalchuk’s contract had nothing to do with the team’s ability to keep him. Tallinder and Volchenkov were both signed after he’d signed with Pittsburgh. Had he re-upped with the Devils (which his comments to the media always led me to believe was never an option), Tallinder isn’t a Devil and perhaps neither is Volchenkov (Lou stated that he was targeting Anton from the start and Martin’s leaving had nothing to do with his signing, but the money may not have worked out had Martin stayed).
The bottom line falls @ LL and hes done a bad job of transitioning to the "new" NHL and Post cup glory.
If you want to cite a lack of post-season success, an inability to cultivate stability at the coaching position, or his hit-or-miss but mostly miss forays into free agency… fine. But your argument that he hasn’t staffed the team well enough to ice a strong defense is misguided.
Here’s my problem w/ Uncle Lou. We spent over 4M + on Volchenkov, 3M + on Tallinder but don’t resign Martin and now won’t resign Greene. Why………?
See above.
Also, who says we won’t re-sign Greene? Can you see the future?
If we don’t, it’ll be for one (or both) of two reasons: he’s not worth it and/or we can’t afford it. If he wants to see what he can get on the open market like Martin did and a team wants to overpay for him then there’s nothing Lou or anyone else can do. It’s his prerogative.
I know its only 1 year but Atrain’s 1st year was disappointing to be kind…
The stats would suggest otherwise.
…and Tallinder played great 2nd 1/2, one could say a poor mans Paul Martin, but there are 2 1/2’s of a season.
Are you really going to single him out for performing poorly in the first half? Everyone played poorly in the first half.
We spent ungodly money on a great player, but we already had our franchise LW and future Captain playing here.
And what had that gotten us? When a great player with elite level skills your team needs comes onto the market once every blue moon or so, you go for him. Besides, we don’t know Zach’s true feelings and, unless you’re using that crystal ball to see the future again, no one can guarantee that he’d still be a Devil in a few years.
15 years is just stupid and crazy considering we were only outbidding ourselves Lou.
You do know that the term was to help reduce the cap hit, right? And that if he retires or otherwise stops playing before that it doesn’t cost the Devils anything, right?
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Again Mr. Elesias you’ve produced reasonable arguements to my points but I’ve got to take some defense on the stats your’re throwing out about teams not entirely winning with defense but you should compliment those numbers by stating where those teams you mention rank offensively and where their D ranked offensively in points generated.
TEAM GA/SA our reflective of not only your Defense corp but your team style of play and let us not forget about Marty’s greatness in not only stopping pucks but melting down plays and stickhandling and clearing pucks like a 3rd D man.
Clearly the team defense style and HOF goaltending has masked the overall incompetence of this current D. JL could probably take 5 cones 1 barrell and 3 broomsticks positioned for 1/2 the game and still have his team tied 1-1 going into the final 10 minutes of a game.
My main point in my rant is that the trend of this team is undeniably going downward and the last bastion of true greatness is set to retire very soon. I’m hoping that the game hasn’t truly begun to pass LL by ,but father time eventually gets his due on players and GM alike.
The Devs will never duplicate the makeup of championship winning D from 03. Obviously the makeup is always going to be different but you don’t win from the LW position out. Its a nice luxury to have but from what I’ve seen in watching Devils brand Hockey and even the current Finals being played you need a great group of D, not patchwork year after year since ’07. You seem to have answers quickly. So
Whos left from that D corp 07 opening nite besides Whitey? Would you call White a cornerstone D or just a favorable memeory for having played on 2 cup winners. Heck whos left from opening nite from D 08 & 09 even? Last Cup was 03 right, so now, finally LL feels we need to address Puck moving D man! Talk about resting on your laurels.
So granted you have some clean and reasonable points but its not that simple by applying the ranking of GA/SA and then watching team get blown out every 1st round and then not making the playoffs even and basically repeating the same scenario of last years offseason to this one and feeling all warm and fuzzy inside because we get to draft the 4th best player in this year’s draft. BFD. I want to start winning in the spring again not going to draft parties and going on Capgeek to figure out how bad my team is screwed. Good job LL; we’ll probably have 12-13 M tied up on 2 players playing the same Position w/ no number 1 center to play w/ either but we’ll dfaft him this summer so we can all look forward to 2015-16 when maybe LL will have this cap thing figured out.
I’ve got to take some defense on the stats your’re throwing out about teams not entirely winning with defense but you should compliment those numbers by stating where those teams you mention rank offensively and where their D ranked offensively in points generated.
You said “why I’m hung up on building a great defense is because that is what still wins the cup every year.” So I addressed the defense and your misconception that “ever since moving in to the Rock it just hasn’t been even a good corp, they’ve been average or serviceable at best.”
If you want to suddenly change your statement to “offensively capable defense that can also shut down the opposition wins championships” then so be it, but that’s a bit like saying “hitting home runs and playing excellent team defense wins World Series.”
TEAM GA/SA our reflective of not only your Defense corp but your team style of play
It’s also reflective of the players abilities.
and let us not forget about Marty’s greatness in not only stopping pucks but melting down plays and stickhandling and clearing pucks like a 3rd D man.
Clearly the team defense style and HOF goaltending has masked the overall incompetence of this current D.
Marty is not and has not played like a HoF goaltender lo these past few years. Realistically, the situation is the other way around… the defense has helped extend his career.
JL could probably take 5 cones 1 barrell and 3 broomsticks positioned for 1/2 the game and still have his team tied 1-1 going into the final 10 minutes of a game.
Obviously hyperbole, but not even good hyperbole. It conveniently overlooks the fact that the team ranked tops in defense even under Sutter.
LL feels we need to address Puck moving D man! Talk about resting on your laurels.
I’m pretty critical of Lou, but this statement is categorically ridiculous. Resting on his laurels?
He makes moves, for better or for worse, every off season and at or around the trade deadline. Yes the team needs a puck moving defensemen but you seem to think they grow on trees. Who is the guy he should have signed, keeping in mind the salary cap and free agent status at the time? Every team wants a great puck moving defensemen. That he hasn’t acquired one doesn’t mean he’s “resting on his laurels.”
…but its not that simple by applying the ranking of GA/SA…
It is when the argument is that the defense is “average or serviceable at best.”
To the rest, I’m not going to bother even addressing it because it has nothing to do with this and, frankly, isn’t a conversation I particularly want to have with you.
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Elesias, are you still angry at me ? just remember figures don’t lie but liars figure and you can prove anything with numbers but unfortunately they don’t always tell the whole story just like highlighting text out of context to defend what was argueably one of the worst D corps I’ve suffered thru watching this year. Lou is beloved by all but lets face it hes slipping.
Thankfully this season was a blessing in disguise with playing younger players and LL finding some resolve again and hopefully motivating him to be the best GM in all of sports like he was from 1988-2004.
and Please don’t dismiss how great Marty is and why this team has had regular season success since the parade of UFA’s have been leaving NJ. It was only one year before where he was nominated for the Vezina and could’ve easily gotten his 5th. His play in the 2nd 1/2 was pretty amazing especially during that 6-8 week mini miracle run.
There’s another reason why this franchise has bottomed out. Just think if LL would have pulled the trigger on trading guys in their walk year instead of getting no return whatsoever for Neids, Gomez, Rafi, Gio, Maddog, Rupp, Martin and maybe Parise will soon be the worst of them all.
In order to properly address any problem you have to be point blank honest about what’s been going on in NJ for the last 4 years. I hope LL still has something left but maybe the site could be changed to ILWH In Lou We Hope.
you can prove anything with numbers but unfortunately they don’t always tell the whole story just like highlighting text out of context
I’d be the first person to agree with you, but also the first to challenge you to show how either one is the case here.
argueably one of the worst D corps I’ve suffered thru watching this year
It was one of the worst Devils performances as a whole this year, but in the end they finished pretty respectively even considering their start. If you want to dismiss the numbers because they disagree with your perception then that’s your problem.
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There’s another reason why this franchise has bottomed out
The Devils are not even close to bottoming out. Look at the Islanders and Oilers as examples of a franchise that it’s in the pit.
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by John Fischer on Jun 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
just remember figures don’t lie but liars figure and you can prove anything with numbers but unfortunately they don’t always tell the whole story
Numbers can be made to say a great number of things. I know this from all the mathematics classes I took all the way through my college years, and one sees lawyers and political spin doctors do this all the time to make their case and discredit someone else’s. It isn’t an absolute proof, but it is evidence in favor of the argument. Elesias (and others) are bringing up hard figures and other objective criteria to back up their hypothesis that the defense is better than you give it credit for. All I’ve seen you argue is that “Lou is past his time” and “the defense sucks”. Both may or may not be true, but the whole case is based on your biases and your subjective views of the situation.
highlighting text out of context to defend what was argueably one of the worst D corps I’ve suffered thru watching
You can argue almost anything. Whether you can compose a sound argument is another story. You think this defense has been “one of the worst D corps” (your words, not ours), and elesias (plus others) are putting forth the case why this isn’t so.
Why don’t you explain better why this is such a putrid defense corps? If you’re going to blame Lou for its demise, how about bringing up some moves he could have made to prevent it…. and some logic as to why those moves would have made sense without the benefit of hindsight, and why other teams would have cooperated with the moves in question?
Teams get old all the time. Teams get ravaged by free agency all the time. Teams make poor decisions when it comes to trades and free agent signings all the time. Lou Lamorello isn’t any more immune to that than any other GM.
don’t dismiss how great Marty is and why this team has had regular season success
Funny, but the team did just fine when Brodeur missed half the season with an injury a few years ago. The team also performed similarly this season regardless of whether it was Brodeur or Johan Hedberg in net. If they could put up similar numbers in front of a journeyman like Scott Clemmensen…. if they could put up similar numbers in front of the Moose…. it seems to me that it isn’t all the goaltending. Results would suggest that coaching and the team defense has something to do with the overall success as well.
It was only one year before where he was nominated for the Vezina and could’ve easily gotten his 5th.
Many trophies go on reputation. Did Brodeur deserve to be nominated for the Vezina in 2009-2010? Sure he did…. but you can pull out a large number of examples where good goalies weren’t nominated, and lesser candidates were nominated or even won. Think of all the times Dominik Hasek kept winning the Vezina even when Marty’s play and numbers were as good as or even better than the Dominator’s. It isn’t just the Vezina, but often trophies such as the Selke and Lady Byng where “reputation” seems to play a factor.
You can put up a solid argument on either side whether Ryan Miller deserved the Vezina last season. I’m of the opinion that his Olympic performance “sealed the deal”, even if it isn’t supposed to count for anything…. but that’s just me.
Just think if LL would have pulled the trigger on trading guys in their walk year instead of getting no return whatsoever for Neids, Gomez, Rafi, Gio, Maddog, Rupp, Martin and maybe Parise
Teams that are in contention and think they’re genuine Cup contenders do not sell off their UFAs-in-waiting. They add a few, hoping to make that magical run into mid-June and follow that up with a parade. I’m not going to go into the minutae (at least, not here) of why each player’s situation was what it was, and why none of them should have been traded. I’m not going to go into the particulars (at least, not here) of each player’s situation, and why there was good reason to believe many of them would have been back the following season. Just accept that the Devils were serious contenders every season, won their division more often than not, and therefore had no good reason to dump pending UFAs for the paltry returns one reaps at the trade deadline.
The only one of the players you’ve listed who wasn’t an integral member of the Devils is Mike Rupp…. and I doubt he’d have fetched much if anything at the trade deadline. There is no way Lou Lamorello would have dumped any of the rest at the trade deadline, especially considering it would have been virtually impossible to fill the created holes for the stretch run and playoffs. You can’t trade a top-line forward or #1 defenseman at that stage of the season and expect to replace him with a player anywhere close to his capabilities…. and furthermore to do all that and remain a team with serious dreams of a Stanley Cup.
I hope LL still has something left
What evidence is there that Lou has “lost it”? One bad season does not destroy two decades of good work. Not every move works out…. and many of the moves he’s made have been lauded in most corners of the media at the time. Hindsight is 20/20…. and many moves that history has shown us didn’t work out the way Lou intended looked quite different at the time.
Let’s say you do get your wish and Lou isn’t the GM of this team anymore. Who is your nominee to fill the position, and why should we believe that guy will have any greater success? Getting rid of a guy is easy. Finding a new guy who will improve things is a lot harder. There’s usually a good reason why a guy is not a General Manager. (The same can be said of head coaches)
Next summer we’ll have the “It’s been one week since the Devils won the Cup” post!!
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by John Fischer on Jun 10, 2011 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, man. Goosebumps.
I hate to say this, but it’s starting to feel like a long time ago. I was 22 and had just graduated college, and am now a 30-year-old grown-up.
We’re seeing now how difficult it is to go from being a good team to being a great team, as fans of the Sharks, Blues, Flyers, (and at least for now the Canucks) know all too well. We are blessed fans to have been able to see three championships. A lot of really good teams just never get there.
I’d love to see many more Devils championships in my lifetime, but all I can ask for is one more. I hope someday we see it.
We’ve got some special talent on our current team. We just need to build around it in the right way.
1995 - 2000 - 2003
Wow 8 years already !
I was in Sydney, Australia at the time. I went to the Cheers bar on George St. for every single game of that Finals at something like 10am in the morning. Me and my brother were the only ones there, and we got them to put on espn for us. I remember most the wild swings in the beginning of Game 5 before the Devils took control. There was so much pressure that game after losing 2 in a row out in Anaheim. After Game 7 we took a few pics in our devils jerseys in front of the TV while they were carrying around the cup and outside in front of the bar on the street. Great times
A Funny Story About Meeting Jim McKensie the day he had the Cup
A week or two after the Devils won, I was at a local bagel store (Hot Bagels Abroad) before I went to school (I was a younger fan at the time) and Jim McKensie, who lived in Montclair and knew the owner of the store, came in with the Cup. Needless to say, I kissed the Cup, posed for pictures with it, and made sure to be late to school.
One of those memories I will always have.
1995 to 2000 was 5 seasons
2000 to 2003 was 3 seasons
5 plus 3 is 8
2003 + 8seasons is 2012
Numerology dictates that the Devils win the Cup in 2011-2012
Go Devils
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great article!
I know most people don’t agree with me, but Giguere getting the Conn Smythe still pisses me off. Brodeur getting a shutout in game 7 of the finals (and his 3rd of the series) obviously shows who’s the better goaltender. G.S admitted it himself! If not Marty at least Freisen or Langenbrunner, I just remember feeling like Gary Bettman slapped me in the face right after we won the cup

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