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Once Again: Who Will Line Up Alongside Zach Parise & Ilya Kovalchuk at Forward?

This man gets to answer the same question John MacLean attempted to answer last year:  Who will line up at forward alongside Parise & Kovalchuk? (Photo by Andy Marlin/Getty Images)

The concept of déjà vu is that strange sensation that you get when you feel like you've witnessed or experienced a situation or event once before, regardless of whether it actually happened or not.  New Jersey Devils fans will be experiencing it once again going into this fall's training camp.  I am referring to this question and it's variants: What forwards will play with star left wingers Ilya Kovalchuk and Zach Parise in this coming season?  (Aside: Yes, Sam McHaig, Kovalchuk is a left wing, not a right wing.)

At the start of last season, John MacLean figured Ilya Kovalchuk could ride with Travis Zajac and Zach Parise on the top line.  On paper, this made sense.  Parise and Zajac are great at the two-way game, enough to carry Kovalchuk in that regard; while Kovalchuk's shot and offensive talents are vastly superior to Jamie Langenbrunner's skillset.  In practice, it didn't work as intended and so the threesome lasted five games.  A serious injury to Parise seven games later took him out for all but one game of the rest of the season; preventing further experimentation. Outside of his initial arrival by trade in the spring of 2010, the Devils haven't had too much time to really answer how to best utilize Parise and Kovaclhuk. 

Ideally one would like the top center on the team to be aligned with one of the top wingers, but the Devils  While Kovalchuk did fairly well with Zajac and Nick Palmieri in the second half of the 2010-11 season; it's at the least very tempting to reunite Zajac with Parise given their incredible on-ice chemistry.  That alone is a difficult issue, and it will be one of the major questions in training camp and preseason, perhaps one of the toughest for Peter DeBoer to answer prior to the start of the season.  At least Patrik Elias has successfully moved to center to prevent this from being an issue with three left wings.  Given that it's the offseason and we know Parise is going to be a Devil in 2011-12 one way or another, let's try and come up with some possible suggestions.

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Suggestion #1: Sort of Repeat History - Kovalchuk-Zajac-Parise.   I don't think this is the worst idea in the world.  In this variation, I am suggesting moving Parise to the offwing, which I don't think should be too much of a problem since he roams wherever there's space on offense.  He's a dynamic enough skater to move to the right side, in my opinion.   Zajac and Parise can drive plays that Kovalchuk can finish; and the duo can backcheck & forecheck well enough to help out Kovalchuk, who's needs to learn/do more of both.  While Parise can focus on down-low plays, Kovalchuk can provide shots from distances that we all know he can hit.  In theory, it can give opposing defenses nightmares. 

However, again, in practice it can be beneficial for the opposition.  Essentially, this suggestion is to put all of the proverbial eggs in one basket.  Should they have a bad night, other teams can expose the other three lines on match-ups.  Plus, I'm not confident enough in Kovalchuk's possession or defensive game for this unit to be used to power-for-power.  DeBoer could use Rolston-Elias-Zubrus for that purpose, but that could take shifts from this potential line.  I will say that the fact that even with moving Parise to the offwing, I'm not really a fan of repeating what was done last season.  Therefore, I'd like to suggest something else.

Suggestion #2: The Duo Reunites and Kovalchuk Gets Youth:  Parise-Zajac-RW (Palmieri?); Kovalchuk-Josefson-Tedenby.   We know that Parise and Zajac go together like peanut butter and jelly and it leads to some wonderful hockey.  I'm admittedly uncertain as to who would play on their right wing. Nick Palmieri didn't seem out of place with Kovalchuk and Zajac last season, so perhaps he can keep up with Parise and Zajac?  Though, this could be problematic should Palmieri regress a bit in his second NHL season. I could see Dainius Zubrus get moved up to this spot as well, something that was also tried last season for a little bit.   Still, it's an easier problem than the original as it's been established that good things happen when Parise and Zajac play with each other.

As for Kovalchuk, one of the confirmation-bias-riddled thoughts I have about him is that he tends to turn the puck over on offense because he often doesn't have help.   He has to stop just after he blazes over the blueline because there are defenders in his way and his teammates have yet to get onside, creating some tough situations.   While I may want to see Kovalchuk slow up instead, why not put him with a speedy winger in Mattias Tedenby?  In theory, Tedenby could keep up with Kovalchuk's rushes and that could at least cut down on the turnovers. If you figure that Jacob Josefson and Tedenby go together, then Kovalchuk can supplement that. They're both young enough to get better acclimated.  However, this puts a lot of pressure on relatively inexperienced players as anyone playing with Kovalchuk will need to produce along with him.  Plus, Kovalchuk may have to take fewer minutes to play with two kids, and that could be wasting some of his talents as well.   In a few seasons this may be good, but I think for 2011-12, the Devils can do better.  Here's one suggestion for "better:"

Suggestion #3: The Duo Reunites and Kovalchuk Gets Elias:  Parise-Zajac-Palmieri; Kovalchuk-Elias-Zubrus.   I think this is an improvement, if only in that Josefson and Tedenby can be protected behind these two lines.  I'm assuming Palmieri gets to roll with Parise and Zajac here because Zubrus has to be on the other line.  The same concerns hold over whether Palmieri can keep up with the dynamic duo.  The second line is far more intriguing.  Zajac and Parise will surely get the better of possession, and here Kovalchuk can roll with another possession machine in Patrik Elias and another good possession player in Zubrus.   Given that two-thirds of this line took on tough competition in the second half of last season, Kovalchuk won't need to be the first defender back.  Plus, he's got a way better shot than Brian Rolston, so Kovalchuk could boost the line's offense.

I do only three concerns about it, though.  The first is whether Kovalchuk and Elias can mesh on the ice offensively.  It's not that Elias can't be a playmaker, he can; but he stood out as the one usually in offensive control on his line last season.  He did stand out as a positive possession machine after all. The same can be said for Kovalchuk, though he's looking for shots more so than plays and he's not at all a positive possession machine.  If they can, then great. If not, then that limits the effectiveness of this group.  Second, can Kovalchuk cycle regularly?  Zubrus is solid along the boards and Elias has no issue with playing out of the corners or from the sideboards.  Kovalchuk isn't unafraid to go in deep or hasn't , it's just that his game is better suited to provide an open shot rather than dig for pucks.  You may lose that if they get into repeated cycles.  Third, I'm not so sure that either suggested line can perform well against tough competition. The  Rolston-Elias-Zubrus line last season regularly saw the other team's top line and came out ahead.  Rolston's defensive game isn't bad at all, or at least it wasn't a detriment to force Lemaire to change his usage of the line against the toughs or the line itself.  Can Kovalchuk be competent enough defensively to make up for Rolston's defensive game?  Can the new Parise-Zajac line be strong enough to do it with Palmieri or some other right winger?  I'm not sure I can really answer either in the affirmative.  But I will not have to with this other suggestion.

Suggestion #4: Continue the Kovalchuk-Zajac Pairing and Move Parise to Elias:  Kovalchuk-Zajac-Palmieri; Parise-Elias-Zubrus.   The first line is something you're familiar with if you saw the Devils from mid-January through the end of the season.  While it's not a perfect line, it was quite serviceable.   Kovalchuk had the freedom to fire away, Zajac knew well enough what to set up and when, and Palmieri would keep it simple by crashing the net.  Keeping them together will only enhance the awareness of where the other is, and Palmieri has some familiarity going into his second NHL season.

The possibility of the second line makes me excited.  Parise has played against tough competition before and came out ahead, and we know Elias and Zubrus did so last season.  This unit can definitely be used to match power for power, should DeBoer want that. Besides, I don't think it's too unreasonable to suggest Parise can be a better defensive forward than Rolston.  The notion of two possession beasts playing alongside each other should definitely see this threesome bring some offense.  The best part is that they can mix it up.  The three can cycle; the three can play positionally; the three play out of a triangle; and so forth.  Parise's constant in-motion skating and courage to go down low combined with Elias' versatility and Zubrus' size allows for many offensive options.  And I believe it's better to have too many than too few.

Among these suggestions, I favor the fourth one.  However, it's just that - a suggestion.  As much as I like how it seems on paper, it's only that - theory.  For all I know, Parise, Elias, and Zubrus won't mix well at all and the three wouldn't know how to best use each other on offense.  Plus, while Kovalchuk-Zajac-Palmieri could be good again, it still leaves one thinking whether it could be better.   Again, Peter DeBoer will get to experiment in training camp and preseason and ultimately make this tough decision.  And should it not work, it'll be up to him to admit and fix it as necessary.  

Both players could stand to improve too to facilitate this decision, too. I can think of something off the top of my head for each.  Parise will need to demonstrate not only he's still the same player as he was; but that he can demonstrate skill with non-Zajac centers.  Kovalchuk could improve his own worth on the team by working on his backchecking and forechecking, which would enhance his two-way game and general on-ice usefulness.   Both are in the prime of their careers, so I'm not expecting them to make radical changes to their game - and I'm not even sure I'd want them to.  By the same token, they're not so old that they can't make a few improvements either.

In any case, I want to know what your suggestions for forward lines involving Zach Parise and Ilya Kovalchuk. Who would you have each play with, and why?  Would you consider putting both players on the same line if you were in DeBoer's shoes?  What would you want each player to work on to help their fit into the roster for this coming season? Please leave your answers and other thoughts about the impending forward lines for the 2011-12 season in the comments.  Thanks for reading.

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What about leaving Parise/Zajac add moving Tedenby to their RW. I say this because with his speed and offensive skill he will catch a lot of teams sleeping that will have to focus on on Zach and Zajac.

Then Kovalchuk plays to the left of Josefson and Zubrus on the right. Zubrus hopefully helps minimize any defensive and possessional liabilities of Kovy and the 2nd year center.

Then Palmieri joins Elias and Rolston on the right side.

Just another option to your four.

by Zelepukin on Jul 26, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I like these lines as well.

by C.J. Richey on Jul 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see you “changed your mind” about Josefson/Kovalchuk playing on the same line, I’m a real fan of this line.
Moreover, I think too, that to keep Zajac/Parise & Elias/Rolston together is important.

Overall your comment makes a lot of sense to me, no surprising.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that to me or C.J.?

by Zelepukin on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do still think Elias as the teams only natural playmaker would probably best to center Kovalchuk., but in this scenario we get a more balanced attack that’s gambling on if Josefson has chemistry with Kovalchuk.

BUt part of the reason why i think that combo will work is that the offense will have to run through Kovalchuk once that line is on the ice… just like Kovallchuk likes.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

BUt part of the reason why i think that combo will work is that the offense will have to run through Kovalchuk once that line is on the ice… just like Kovallchuk likes.

It’s funny, this is the reason why I think Elias shouldn’t center Kovy.

I admit an eventual chemistry between Kovalchuk & Josefson is a bit hazardous, it’s just a feeling, but when you take a look at the big picture, this 3 lines are the most coherent line-up for the team, & that’s why I agree with you there.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome Lines

Teddy would be a perfect piece for Travis and Zach. His cycling and short passing game would be an excellent compliment to Travis & Zach. Teddy wouldn’t be under as much pressure to produce since he would not be the focal point of the line. Also the thought of Zach and Teddy breaking into the zone with speed is downright scary.

I’m also with Zubrus being on Kovy’s right wing regardless of the Center. He brings good board work and a defensive conscious that can mask some of Kovy’s deficiencies. I’m not sure how much they have actually played together, but my eyes seem to tell me they have had some chemistry.

by Pillowhands on Jul 27, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zubrus has chemistry with everyone. That’s why I feel he’s so valuable and why the million or so he’s overpaid for the 15-20pts he doesn’t produce isn’t a big deal to me. You can slot him in any situation and any line and he just does what he does, creating space and opportunities for his linemates.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say Zubrus has chemistry with everyone, but he definitely fits wherever he is needed and isn’t a hindrance. But you could also say he doesn’t have anything special with anyone.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 27, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

he seemed pretty damn special on the cycle with Rolston and Elias and in the handful of games Lemaire put him with Parise and Zajac in 2009-2010 he was equally as impressive. Then he got hurt, if i remember correctly.

by Zelepukin on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I like suggestion #4, using Parise with Elias and Zubrus leaves me with concerns on the 3rd line. Specifically, can Josefson and Tedenby mesh with Rolston? And is taking Rolston off the line where he demonstrated some positive impact last season really a good idea?

by HockeyWeasel on Jul 26, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve suggested before a variation of #3;

Parise-Zajac-RW (Zubrus or Palms)
Kovy-Elias-Rolston

I think it’s worth a try.

by skly27 on Jul 26, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

im sure over the course of the year we’ll see many different combinations, probably all four of the ones youves suggested. While i agree travis and zach have great chemistry, i like the idea of elias with parise. they played well together on the pp and 4 on 4 in 2008-2009. I dont see why deboer doesnt give it a shot. i think travis is a good enough center that he can play with anyone on his wings and still contribute.

one question, why is it called the off-wing? i know kovy plays this way, and so does jaromir jagr. (my all-time fav even though he signed with philly) wouldnt it be easier to get shots on net from that position? also i would think it would be easier to play with your back to the wall. can anybody explain why its called the off-wing?

by poopydoodie11 on Jul 26, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s called the off wing because it’s easier to catch a pass if you’re on the same side of the ice as your handedness. If you’re a righty and on the right side, you get to catch a pass forehand instead of backhand. Backhand isn’t just harder because of the positioning of body and stick required, but because you’re using the back of the blade’s curve instead of the front, where you can cradle a pass easily. On the backhand, it takes a lot of skill to take a hard and/or long pass on the backhand. However, players at the NHL level almost always possess either the same or only slightly diminished ability to catch a pass on their backhand as they do with their forehand. But even a lot of those who are able to do it still need to slow down just very slightly when taking the pass on the backhand, and as you know, losing even half a second when breaking up the wing can be the difference between a goal and missed opportunity or neutral zone turnover. So you usually need both speed and skill to make it work.

So, if you can do all that’s required to play on the off wing, it is absolutely true that it is easier to score if you’re playing there. Every player would play that way if they could.

Well, that’s actually not true. A play whose role is primarily playmaking will never play the off wing because they need to pass from their forehand in many situations. \

One should also note that playing on the off wing can make defense a bit harder if the player is skating backwards, but a forward shouldn’t be skating backwards for too long most of the time, so this generally isn’t much of a consideration.

by Dr. Witticism on Jul 27, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

a friend of mine suggested these lines.. I like them

Line 1 Parise-Zajac-Tedenby
Line 1 Kovalchuk-Josefson-Elias
Line 3 Rolston-Zubrus-Clarkson
Line 4 Janssen-Steckal-Boulton

by Justin Bonica on Jul 26, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’d do this for my line combos

Kovalchuk-Josefson-Palmieri
Parise-Zajac-Tedenby
Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Pelley/Zharkov-Steckel-Zharkov/Boulton/Janssen

If anything, the two big threats are separated- teams have to pick their poison (Rolston-Elias-Zubrus faces the opposition’s top line- Crosby/Ovie/Giroux etc). Would a team like Boston consider sending Patrice Bergeron out against Parise if it meant that Kovalchuk faces Chris Kelly- who’s a decent checker, but not as good defensively as Bergeron? I like keeping the two separate because of the tactical problems it gives other teams

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 26, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you really want to stick Kovalchuk w/ two 2nd year players? Which is why I suggested Zubrus and Palmieri swap.

by Zelepukin on Jul 26, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.. I think it might work- I might be okay with trying Teddy with Rolston and Elias, and Palmieri w/ Parise and Zajac.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 26, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I made the suggestion of these exact top 3 lines in another FanPost. A key consideration is the fact that Kovalchuk will get a lot of ice time. A Kovalchuk-Josefson-Palmieri line could be protected, especially for home games, but Kovalchuk would also get double shifted and take some of Rolston’s shifts with Elias and Zubrus. I think it would work great, preserving a lot of chemistry, giving Rolston a shot at 20 goals, and allowing Kovalchuk to play with offensively creative and defensively responsible centers.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you mean “protected” you mean a lot of offensive zone starts right? Because it would work if those guys got at least 60% of their starts in the offensive zone

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Offensive zone starts and not playing against other team’s top lines.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not letting them take too many defensive zone draws would work at home and on the road. It’s harder to not let them get matched up against top lines on the road, but you’d try.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with zelepukin

there is no way i have josefson and palmieri both on top line. palmieri maybe, but no way they both get more minutes than elias thats crazy. and dont forget about henrique, he should be due to get 3rd/4th line minutes this year at center. zajac is our #1 center period, and parise should play to his left.

Parise-Zajac-Tedenby
Kovalchuck-Elias-Palmieri
Rolston-Josefson-Zubrus
Zharkov-Henrique-Boulton (Janssen-Steckel-Pelley are interchangeable)

….but steckel likely gets start over herique due to his faceoff prowess

by Cmen on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henrique is not playing in NJ unless there is an injury or he just is lights out at training camp.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if anything, Henrique’s not playing as a 4th liner

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Henrique certainly has played well and made progress the last 3 years. Lou gave him the game at the end of the season.

He’s likely our 7th or 8th best forward (give or take).

I honestly don’t see the hold up.

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it’s a waste of his ability to spend 10 minute son the ice in NJ when we have offensive depth instead of being the star of the team in Albany.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

read: ability and development

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect it to be more like 13 minutes per game or a little more. He could play with Elias which would give him a chance to develop by playing center, LW or both. That would also give us three scoring lines.

Elias would get extra playing time on PP, PK and ‘end of game’ situations to increase his ice time, which he deserves.

I don’t understand what having a star in Albany does for us. I tend to think the NHL club’s needs trump AHL team needs 100% of the time.

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with what Zelepukin says- why bother having Henrique play 10 minutes a night with David Steckel when he could play at least 18 minutes a night as Albany’s top forward?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year, rookies JJ averaged 13 plus minutes and Palmeiri averaged 14 plus minutes. Why do you think he would only get 10 minutes on the 4th line?

  

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both of those guys also played in the Top 6 where Henrique should play and where there is no room. What 4th liner get 13 to 14 minutes a night?

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What we have here is failure to communicate.

I suggesting he play with Elias – not on 4th line.

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And as I stated down below you’re out of your mind if you think he walks in and is better than Rolston who while overpaid is still a solid contributor offensively and defensively.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second the why not?

Your saying he couldn’t win a spot on the team in training camp?

I’m not saying he will. But the chance is there. If he is just going to play on the 4th line I would agree he would be better in Albany. But who’s not to say he doesn’t out play Josefson or Tedenby. I don’t think it is likely but it could happen.

by NJDOhio on Jul 27, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just tossing this out there. Is there any consideration Tedenby or Palmieri don’t make the squad? …Just saying.

I think Kovy should pare with Josefson if possible.

Kovalchuk-Josefson-Elias
Parise-Zajac-Palmieri
Kov/Pari(Doubleshift)-Zubrus-Clarkson
Pelley-Steckle-Zharkov-Boulton

Not sure I agree with this. Just tossing it out.

by NJDOhio on Jul 26, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Just realized I left out Rolston….Dang

by NJDOhio on Jul 26, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first choice would be suggestion #2, re-uniting Parise and Zajac and putting Kovalchuk with Tedenby/Josefson (and protecting the line where possible so they don’t get devoured by other teams’ top lines). I’m all for putting Zajac and Parise on the same line in any event, so the third and fourth don’t bother me all that much.

Elias and Kovalchuk had great chemistry and put up terrific numbers in the partial season following the trade, and I think they’d be a natural fit of “top playmaker” and “top sniper”. One thing I wouldn’t do, however, is put Brian Rolston with them. Not only does this leave Elias to take all the draws — unless you spot Steckel there and swap him off the ice for Rolston afterwards — but I think Rolston’s skill set (or what’s left of it at his age) is very similar to Kovalchuk’s skill set…. only not nearly as good. I don’t know that I want Rolston and Kovalchuk together, because Ilya likes to dominate the puck and Rolston doesn’t offer a whole heck of a lot beyond his slap shot and veteran experience/defense anymore.

If I’m putting Elias and Kovalchuk together, an answer needs to be found to the Brian Rolston conundrum. Whether it’s with Zajac-Parise (see my arguments below about finding them a right wing), or if he’ll accept a role where he plays a handful of minutes at evens with the 4th line and gets significant special teams duty, or even a trade…. we’ve seen that we get the most out of Brian Rolston when he’s with Patrick Elias (and John has shown us the statistical proof). Because I believe it will be easier to get value and production out of Kovalchuk regardless of his center (assuming no MacLean gaffes like sticking him on the 4th line), I’m more concerned with finding the right fit for Rolston.

As for a right wing with Parise/Zajac? I think that’s a good question to answer in training camp. I’d give Nick Palmieri the first crack at the job, but he wouldn’t be my only candidate or even the “default option”. We’ve seen Dainius Zubrus be effective in that role. I’d give Brian Rolston an opportunity with the concept that Parise and Zajac will handle most of the cycling and Rolston will try and put himself in the position to one-time a pass off the wall. I’d take a look at Clarkson on the right side, although I’m not sure that Clarkson is a good enough player to warrant that spot. I might even look at Tedenby, there, but I don’t know that he has the size and body type to make that pairing work.

by acasser on Jul 26, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Tedenby, despite his size, is very good at protecting the puck and cycling. He’s a natural fit for Parise and Zajac in terms of playing style as well as being a nice playmaking complement to the sniper (Parise) and the grinder (Zajac). The only question for me is whether Teddy can produce consistently enough to warrant such quality ice time, but I think he’ll answer that early in the season.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 26, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up John. I think #2 is gonna happen. It makes sense defensively

by KovyisLove on Jul 26, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Kovy Isn't a second liner

Whatever line combination occurs, Kovy must be on the first line. He is best pure goal scorer and our greatest asset. He should be getting the big minutes. Not saying Parise and Zajac aren’t good, but they could be more effective playing behind Kovy rather in front of him.

PP Should be Parise Zajac Kovy. That would just be flat out lethal. I know we’ve seen this before but it’s a new coach, a new year.

by Mr. Boom on Jul 26, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree. ilya playing against the tougher competition should make things easier for zach.

by poopydoodie11 on Jul 26, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t it be the other way. Since parise is a way better defender than zach?

by KovyisLove on Jul 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Than Kovy* that was a fail.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You understand this team has a 1a and a 1b yes? Stop getting hung up on who is on the “first” or “second” line.

by Zelepukin on Jul 26, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pittsburgh has Crosby on the first line, Malkin on the 2nd, Staal on the 3rd, but they still go 1-2-3 in ESTOI/gm. Line designation doesn’t necessarily limit their usage.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not about minutes as it is about matching up against competition. Parise can go up against the toughest competition at evens and win. Kovalchuk, not as much.

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by John Fischer on Jul 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Kovy Evolve?

In a perfect world Kovy plays with Elias. Patrik’s skill set would seem to compliment Kovy’s strengths. But whenever I watch Kovy play two things always come to mind:

1. Holy s**t this guy is ridiculously talented.

2. Why the hell doesn’t he play more of a team game?

I don’t ever expect Kovy to play a Parise or Elias type game, but I can’t help but think his insistence on consistently carrying the puck into the zone actually hurts him more than it helps him. And this seems to occur frequently regardless of who his line-mates are. It doesn’t surprise me that Zajac had a down year (obviously there were other factors as well) given that this type of style is completely different than the one he had played the previous 2 years with Zach and Langs.

While Kovy does a great job of drawing multiple defenders to him and dishing the puck, doing this seemingly negates his greatest strength, shooting. If he passed the puck more in the neutral zone as well as in the offensive zone I think he would find himself in better shooting positions for more one-timers, especially playing with a guy like Patty who is excellent at give and go’s.

At 28 I’m not sure if he will ever change, and no way do I think Kovy is selfish or does not believe in his teammates, I think this is just how he plays. But if DeBoer can help Kovy be a bit less of a puck dominator I think he could actually get more out of him regardless of who he plays with.

by Pillowhands on Jul 27, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Kovalchuk needs to play with linemates that can finish and dish the puck no doubt. Josefson with him sounds great just because he is a pass first player. In my opinion Kovy can play until 40 even if he does lose a step because when he does pass, it is tape to tape.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parise – Zajac – Teddy
Kovy – Elias/Josefson – Rolston/Palmieri
Zubrus – Josefson/Ellias – Rolston/Palmieri
Boulton – Steckel – Clarkson

I really like the idea of Teddy’s speed along with the hard working two-way style of Parise and Zajac. He can be a great help in the offensive zone and he isnt terrible on defense so I think the speed will really help.

Kovy along with Josefson and Palmieri keeps Kovy and Palmieri together which I thought worked out well last year and to keep Elias and Rolston together I threw Josefson on the line. I would really like to keep Elias and Rolston together since they seem to have some solid chemistry and it helps Rolston produce.

The fourth line I really like Steckel and Clarkson and if I have to choose another player to ride the fourth line I would take Boulton since he is less pathetically useless than Janssen. From the stat comparison John did he seems like less of a liability to be on the team, but really anyone can take that fourth line spot, but Boulton is on a one-way deal so we have to pay him regardless of where he is so he gets the spot.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 27, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

These lines almost show that one of the forwards has to be traded out. If Clarkson stays on this team he can not be a 4th liner. It just can’t happen. I’d rather have Clarkson on the third line and someone either traded in the minors with Zharkov up at 4th line RW. Atleast he can draw penalties and kill them as well.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was the big problem I was having when I was making them. I couldnt find a good spot for Zubrus and Clarkson in the top 3. I gave the thrid line spot to Zubrus because he works extremely hard on the ice so I gave him benefit of the doubt over Clarkson. As much as I like Clarky I think he may need to go if he wants some playing time.

by Jacob Shepherd on Jul 27, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clarkson is a fourth line player on this team, with the depth of wingers that we have. Not saying that he can’t be a 3rd line player, but he’d fit better on a team like Pittsburgh that’s strong at center and doesn’t have a lot of money or talent to fill out the wings. He could be a third liner popping in 20-30 goals a season with a strong center setting him up.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 27, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

With ZP back the top six we know will have Kovy,Zajac,ZP and Elias taking up 2/3 of the top 2 lines. My problem is who to fit in @ RW and my votes are for Teddy, Clarkie and Zubes 1-3. I don’t know who centers which LW as John states all the scenarios but I think Teddy is just too dynamic and good things offensively seem to generate when hes out there and Clarkie and Zubes offer the traffic and muck work I think every line needs to be effective.

The forwards I see starting the year in Albany would be Palms and JJ.

1.Kovy – Zajac – Teddy

1-A.ZP – Elias – Clarkson

3. Rolston – Pelly – Zubrus

4. Boulton – Steckel – Zharkov/ Janssen

Obviously a new coach so jobs by young guys will have to be earned and I’m sure Palms and JJ start the year in Jersey because of ELC and small cap hits but that is the team I’d dress opening nite and probably dress Cam as 4th line RW vs Philthy.

Just to note I think Palmieri is going to be a real solid NHL’er but I’d like to see him play top line minutes down in the A to see him develop more as a finisher. JJ needs to work on his strength and board work. I don’t think hes ready for the top 2 lines yet and maybe his game would benifit by playing a whole year down getting top minutes.

by 68devils on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Really? JJ in Albany so that Pelley could play 3rd line center? No way in hell.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know JJ is going to be up but I still think he needs more grooming in my opinion. He didn’t look real strong at the dot and he needs to get a lot stronger along the boards. Me personally I like Pelly and I still think if given the chance will be a decent 3rd line center.

Let JJ mature down on the farm another year; he’ll be better off for it, or at least to start the year. What did he get 20 games down and now some on this thread want to see him 2nd line even?

U need to motivate some of these guys that are up by having someone decent down in Albany ready to move in and Palmieri and JJ would be my candidates to start the season down.

by 68devils on Jul 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were you watching a different Jacob Josefson in the second half of last season? Because the one most of us saw more than earned his spot in the roster. He should be in Newark.

And Pelley has played most of his time at LW not center. He’s a good 4th liner and penalty killer but not a the #3 center on this team.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being in the New Jersey Devils system: the only time when somebody saying, “you’re going to Newark!” is a good thing.

by Dr. Witticism on Jul 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

 JJ’s ELC is already on the clock when he’s been called-up last year. Since he was back at center position Lemaire never stopped to praise him. IMO, that was well deserved. I think Jacob belongs with the bigs.

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by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

TG said that Josefson has beefed up a good amount since last season and while it doesn’t mean much he also dominated in the development camp. Pelley has 0 (Count this 0!) offensive upside. The guy is not much more than a depth/ 4th line Penalty killer. Josefson was a first roudner who performed well at the AHL and if you spread out his points across a full season in the NHL he would have had 30. With this information I don’t think it’s unsafe to predict JJ will get 40+ points if he plays a full year with the big club.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My main thing is that jobs should be won in camp and guys like Teddy, JJ and Palms need to win their jobs and I wouldn’t start penciling them in w/o them showing they are going to be better than the Clarksons, Rolstons, Zubes and to a lesser extent the Pellys and Steckels.

As a fan I’m not too worried about how many goals my 3rd line center is scoring but more that hes a PIA to play against. Pelly’s got good speed and is Physical enough to bring an edge and keep up with some of the better skating centers.

JJ will be a good player in time but I think starting the season down will only make him better. Palmieri too. I really like this kid but starting off the season down and learning to dominate in the A will give the Devs 2 polished players in the near future.

I mean JJ has only had what 20 games up and all of a sudden hes guaranteed a job. Hes got nice skills but how about some of these kids earn their chops. I know we need talent up front but I hope the Devs show some patience.

by 68devils on Jul 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a fan I’m not too worried about how many goals my 3rd line center is scoring but more that hes a PIA to play against. Pelly’s got good speed and is Physical enough to bring an edge and keep up with some of the better skating centers.

(1) I’d like my 3rd line to pop in a good number of goals. This team has trouble scoring as it is, you’d get nothing out of the third line with Pelley at center.
(2) Pelley is an average skater, is only physical because that’s what his role has devolved to, and has already shown he can’t handle the responsibilities of a centerman.

I mean JJ has only had what 20 games up and all of a sudden hes guaranteed a job. Hes got nice skills but how about some of these kids earn their chops

Josefson has far better defensive awareness than Tedenby and is bigger and stronger than him as well. Tedenby may have played three times as many games, but Josefson made a big impact in more games.

by dr(d)evil on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Josefson or Teds should be paired up with Kovy. They are both very explosive;we have seen all the Tedenby solo rushes up with the excellent puck move-movement like Kovalchuk does.

At the very minimum, Tedenby and Kovalchuk should be paired up as their explosivness and puck handling skill could build even more off each other.

by Bob595 on Jul 27, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I gotta say, I am a little surprised to see the number of people who are promoting Josefson or Tedenby on a top line. At this point, I am unsure what theyve done to deserve that much credit. I think when some of the vets we have move on, and they develop more, that will likely happen, especially Tedenby.

I surely cant see what pushes Elias to the third line in anyones book. Thats the most expensive third liner in the NHL, hands down, and he uh… was our leading scorer last year. Thats kinda silly. Again, maybe in a few years at the twilight of his career, yes. Hes got plenty left at this point.

I actually am in favor of John’s option 1. It didnt work well last year, sure. However… can you name one thing that DID work well those first 40 games? I cant really. If that doesnt work again, my top 6 would have to be something like

Kovy Elias Palmieri.
Parise Zajac Zubrus

1a, 1b them all you want. One might be able to make the same argument against Palmierri I did against the Swedes, but I disagree. He has already held the role, unlike the other two.

by Chris Calabrese on Jul 27, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Palmieri held the role on the 1st line because he can play RW. But Tedenby played 15 more games than Palmieri, to say Tedenby wasn’t an NHL’er when Palmieri was seems disingenuous.
I agree Elias should not be playing 3rd line minutes, but its a role he certainly can play as a Checker. Surely he would spend time on the 1st PP unit as well as some PK, so his numbers wouldnt suffer too much.

by Skuba7 on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in my defense, I never said he wasn’t an NHLer. In fact, I said he ESPECIALLY would step up eventually. I said he was not a top line player, yet. Palmieri may not be necessarily either, but he can play the right side, which is what he did just fine last year, so I would keep him there.

My overall point is I dont get all the people who have JJ centering a top line, or Teddy on the right side on the front line when he doesnt really play the right side. Palmieri and Zubrus do.

Obviously, me saying this is well after the fact of Rolston being moved, so its a little bit unfair in the discussion, but Rolston leaving helps dry up more of the reason to try and put Elias with him on the third line. He could get production out of Rolston, now he can get production out of Kovalchuk.

by Chris Calabrese on Jul 28, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a fan of the Parise, Zajac, Tedenby line, and Josefson, Kovalchuk, Palmeri lines. I understand that we probably should have the two Swedes play together, which makes sense, but i’ve come to like these lines Palmeri would be good with Kovy as shown with last year, providing a big guy to help enforce some. Josefson is a good developing center, and would fit great on this line.

by NJGuy on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

ZP – Zajak – Tedenby
Kovy – JJ – Palmieri
Elias – Henrique – Zubrus
Rolston – Steckel – Clarkson
Pelley – Boulton

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s bad enough we pay Rolston 5 million a season why would you stick him on the 4th line when despite how overpaid he is he is still a solid contributor on the 3rd line?

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rolston contract is a sunk cost, especially since it’s an expiring contract. If in fact Henrique is the better player then Rolston’s contract shouldn’t factor into the decision.

Rolston may still be better, but I’m not convinced of that.

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Just because he hasn’t recently doesn’t mean he doesn’t still have the shot and ability in the right situation to put up 30 goals in this league….still at 38.

I know his contract sucks from what he has done lately. But he is still a above average player on this team.

by NJDOhio on Jul 27, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So All teh advanced statistics and the fact that he was of the teams best players in the 2nd half last season do nothing but convince he should be replaced by a kid who has played one NHL game and who the current make-up of the team doesn’t really need right now. O.K.

I gotta assume from the fact that you still can’t spell “Zajac” correctly after all this time as a Devils fan that you really weren’t watching what Rolston does and have some irrational bias towards a kid who’s not shown anything in the NHL yet because he’s currently our #1 offensive prospect.

by Zelepukin on Jul 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad assumption. There is no link between poor spelling and hockey observations. Is there a link between typos and hockey observations?

I haven’t seen advanced stats split between 1st half and 2nd half. Do you know where to get them? Of course Rolston played better in the second half. I don’t doubt that, but who cares? His overall track record the past few seasons is nothing special. Let Rolston fight for some playing time.

I’m biased towards Henrique because he has improved at least 3 years in a row and made a seamless jump to AHL last year. Not irrational.

by Bobby V on Jul 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henrique had a spot on the team BEFORE Boulton and Jansenn were signed. The fact that they were means Lou thinks another year in Albany will be good for Adam. He had 25 goals in his rookie year if he can pot 30 this year it will seriously show that he is ready for the NHL.

by KovyisLove on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

A couple of 4th line goons has nothing to do with it.

by Bobby V on Jul 28, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it does, that’s two roster spots for forwards gone.

by KovyisLove on Jul 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parise – Zajac – Zubrus
Kovalchuk – Elias – Tedenby
Rolston – Josefson – Clarkson
Zharkov – Steckel – Palmieri/Boulton

Reasoning, we know how well Zajac and Parise play together, Zubrus is always serviceable and can continue to dig out pucks along the board, allowing Zach to set up shop for garbage goals. Also, we would not be afraid to play this line against opposition Top lines.
I truly believe Kovalchuk needs a playmaker to be most effective and in this scenario he has that with Elias. Also, this keeps the line being all kinds of creative and a ‘devil’ to play against, most likely drawing the opposition’s checking line. This would help the Zajac line to play against weaker (defensive) competition.
The third line is where the question would be. But Im thinking Josefson is ready to be a better defensive Center. Clarkson cannot be worse than he was last season and will rebound. I understand and agree that Rolston plays best with Elias, but I am much more interested in getting the best game out of Kovalchuk than I am getting that out of Rolston.
The fourth line would boast a very competent trio that would be no fun to play against.

by Skuba7 on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Kovalchuk – Zubrus – Palmieri (size and puck control to feed Kovy and crash the net)
Parise – Zajak – Tedenby (speed and creativity)
Rolston – Josephson – Elias (puck control, speed and Rolston’s 5 million buck shot)
Boulton – Steckel – Clarkson (size, defense and Steckel on PK)

*Elias plays well with Rolston and this can be a scoring line. We would have three scoring lines to match any team. This assumes Tedenby, Josephson and Palmieri grow as players. Our fourth line can become a defensive checking line.

by hundred acre wood on Jul 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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